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SPs can often assert "dominance" over clients eg. refusing extras beyond HJs and minimal b2bs.  Several have even, at considerable cost to me, got me in their bed and still refused to provide FS (and this has been the result of very lengthy protracted discussions beforehand).  It's frustrating but I accept it, I mean, what can you do about it? I'm not going to do anything which they won't consent to and I'm not going to take it out on anyone else either.  It's just a fact of life, some women you can't have, even if you pay them (I once showed one a big wodge of cash and asked her to pinpoint where FS could happen, she just laughed and refused).


What is bloody annoying is when a WG wilfully misleads you in what she will and won't do.

You have already paid her, she purposely withholds services she said she would provide, and you have to think long and hard over whether you force the issue of at least a partial refund.

In such cases, unless there is a pimp in the next room, she is facing you off and assuming you will walk. And the vast majority of guys do of course.

So indeed, it does go both ways, and in the case of a woman she is assuming you won't use your physical superiority to get what is right. Because that in itself is wrong.

I have had shouting matches with WGs before now though, and that is not good for their business. Plus, leave the bitch a shit review on here  :hi:.

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All of the big ones in the UK (Hungerford, Cumbria, Dunblane etc.) were men who'd flipped for some random reason and carried out their atrocities with no specific targets in mind.  In the US there's often some perverse ideological trigger and specific targets (Columbine was aimed at 'popular' students).

The criminal fraternity (Raoul Moat) will always have access to firearms but tbf one of them flipping is quite rare.

Japan has just as strict gun control but no understanding of mental illness so high bodycount atrocities are routine there but using other methods (fire, knives, cars).
Yeah this is the thing, think there are a higher quota of fucknuts in the US. You get the odd one like McVey that use another method, but in truth the body count would be much lower if they didn't have access.
. If I lived there I would have guns, don't feel a need for them here at the moment though.

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I tend to think we have the same number of fucknuts?

I think it's more a simple case of fucknut + gun = catastrophe

With a gun you can get all upset and kill people, and then make all the pain go away with a bullet to your own head. Instant gratification, and instantly outta there. Done. Simple.

If you don't have access to a gun like they do in the US, then it becomes a case of kill a bunch of people with a knife, and then deal with the consequences: imprisonment, ridicule, more pain, dealing with the resultant shit on the inside for most of the rest of your life.

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The perpetrator has been described as an incel. Incels are members of misogynistic online groups of "involuntary celibate" men, who blame women for their sexual failings.

I’m sure it is a whole lot more complicated than it looks. But I can’t have been the only person to have looked at his photo - an unkempt gorilla of a man - and thought: it’s no wonder you can’t get a girlfriend or a shag! He might have been well advised to have started with a wash, a haircut and general grooming if he wanted to get a girlfriend. Instead he chose to blame women  :unknown:



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Incel seems to be just another fucked up meme from across the Atlantic.  :thumbsdown:

Reminded me of country & western music, the heartache of perpetuated, sugar-coated, complaining, whining, misogyny, misandry, and a bit of white supremacist to counter the good ol’ black blues blood ….

Ok. It’s an anagram of (Patsy) Cline. Fuck all else interesting about it except it should carry the label “potentially violent psychopath: do not approach, do not sell guns”.

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Incel seems to be just another fucked up meme from across the Atlantic.  :thumbsdown:

Reminded me of country & western music, the heartache of perpetuated, sugar-coated, complaining, whining, misogyny, misandry, and a bit of white supremacist to counter the good ol’ black blues blood ….

Ok. It’s an anagram of (Patsy) Cline. Fuck all else interesting about it except it should carry the label “potentially violent psychopath: do not approach, do not sell guns”.

I note that women who are exasperated about their inability to attract a mate just stop thinking about it at all and focus on their single life (or spinsterhood, as it used to be called).  Some might be more susceptible to joining religions or causes but you don't hear of them being radicalised into nazis or muslim converts (such women who this does apply to generally don't fit the male incel mould).

One told me she wore a ring on her wedding ring finger just to make sure no one hassled her for a date (which tbh seemed unlikely anyway).  For women there's a wider package, including knowing you won't have children and will be forever asked by family why you haven't settled down yet etc. (I dunno, does this happen to men too?)

I read something somewhere that in women it's like gradually turning off a switch (accepting celibacy).

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I was merely wordplaying on your post, perhaps inadvisable bearing in mind the circumstances  :rolleyes:.

A look at any of my reviews will show that.

Initially looked like you were playing right into the hands of Nordics, however it could be read to mean you show dominance over yourself - your own situation.

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The perpetrator has been described as an incel. Incels are members of misogynistic online groups of "involuntary celibate" men, who blame women for their sexual failings.

I’m sure it is a whole lot more complicated than it looks. But I can’t have been the only person to have looked at his photo - an unkempt gorilla of a man - and thought: it’s no wonder you can’t get a girlfriend or a shag! He might have been well advised to have started with a wash, a haircut and general grooming if he wanted to get a girlfriend. Instead he chose to blame women  :unknown:



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Umm - IMO he doesn't look that bad. I suspect he was more lacking in social skills than anything else.

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Umm - IMO he doesn't look that bad. I suspect he was more lacking in social skills than anything else.

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are you sure?
He looks ok , like a mix of Oliver Reed , Brian Blessed and Prince Harry.

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He looks ok , like a mix of Oliver Reed , Brian Blessed and Prince Harry.
What a pisshead with a loud voice who doesn't know who his real dad is  :unknown:  :hi:

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He looks ok , like a mix of Oliver Reed , Brian Blessed and Prince Harry.

No wonder he was unhinged

I can easily imagine him playing online games 24/7 and shitting into a bucket to avoid downtime
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What a pisshead with a loud voice who doesn't know who his real dad is  :unknown:  :hi:

You are a wit BR  :D





Offline Devonguy78

Such a sad story, l grew up in keyham and there are a lot of decent people in Keyham.  Apparently he worked for Babcock (Devonport Dockyard) and they are good payers! Why not just pay out to pop your cherry instead of being an angry virgin?? RIP to the innocent victims

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The depressing thing about that he ISN'T acutally that bad looking.
It looks like he lifted weights a bit so could've got into that more which would've helped increase his T levels-science shows this attracts females- and helped with his anger and depression issues.
 Couple that with a new haristyle and a beard trim and he would've had had some interest from the opposite sex almost certainly if he'd stuck at it.

Instead he just turned into a bitter , murderous piece of shit.  :( :thumbsdown:
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The perpetrator has been described as an incel. Incels are members of misogynistic online groups of "involuntary celibate" men, who blame women for their sexual failings.

I’m sure it is a whole lot more complicated than it looks. But I can’t have been the only person to have looked at his photo - an unkempt gorilla of a man - and thought: it’s no wonder you can’t get a girlfriend or a shag! He might have been well advised to have started with a wash, a haircut and general grooming if he wanted to get a girlfriend. Instead he chose to blame women  :unknown:



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Incels were originally never a misogynistic hate group towards women. They initially just stayed with self loathing due to their circumstances. Over the years it has morphed, with now a popular narrative that all incels are potentially misogynistic, they still mostly hate themselves and the realities they see. It's the same with "Redpill groups". It's relatively new as these concepts have been formed over the last 15 years I would say with the advent of social media progress. "Redpill" forums which is linked to "incel ideaology" firstly was originally about self improvement with some commentary on the "sexual market place", this also morphed to different directions where now there is "blackpill" theory that it seems incels subscribe too. This does not mean that the group has the capabilities to become a threat. However, if a charismatic cult like figure found a reach to them, that may cause problems. Personally I think it is a ticking time bomb in the west anyway, a large group of young males potentially filled with anger, frustrations, no way to express it and looking for answers...A prime group ready for manipulation. I see "experts" on the news talking about the group and they have no idea on what it is, yet this is a lot of young males worldwide. Incels are not in hiding or planning anything, just go on forums, it's all in plain sight, it just happens that no cares until a psychopath incel decides to do a madness. There is an overlap of the term "incel" also with Hikikomoris in Japan who socially see themselves as outcasts and exclude themselves from society, they also happpen to be incels too. Hikikomoris are well known, but a different narrative is associated with them, though a lot of attributes between an "incel" and a "hikikomori" overlap, in fact, I would almost go on to say they are almost one in the same.
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Incels were originally never a misogynistic hate group towards women. They initially just stayed with self loathing due to their circumstances. Over the years it has morphed, with now a popular narrative that all incels are potentially misogynistic, they still mostly hate themselves and the realities they see. It's the same with "Redpill groups". It's relatively new as these concepts have been formed over the last 15 years I would say with the advent of social media progress. "Redpill" forums which is linked to "incel ideaology" firstly was originally about self improvement with some commentary on the "sexual market place", this also morphed to different directions where now there is "blackpill" theory that it seems incels subscribe too. This does not mean that the group has the capabilities to become a threat. However, if a charismatic cult like figure found a reach to them, that may cause problems. Personally I think it is a ticking time bomb in the west anyway, a large group of young males potentially filled with anger, frustrations, no way to express it and looking for answers...A prime group ready for manipulation. I see "experts" on the news talking about the group and they have no idea on what it is, yet this is a lot of young males worldwide. Incels are not in hiding or planning anything, just go on forums, it's all in plain sight, it just happens that no cares until a psychopath incel decides to do a madness. There is an overlap of the term "incel" also with Hikikomoris in Japan who socially see themselves as outcasts and exclude themselves from society, they also happpen to be incels too. Hikikomoris are well known, but a different narrative is associated with them, though a lot of attributes between an "incel" and a "hikikomori" overlap, in fact, I would almost go on to say they are almost one in the same.

I see incels and the so-called "seduction community" as two sides of the same coin.  Both are fixated on 'hot' women and their entitlement to them, though whereas incels have given up and shut themselves off, PUAs think there's replicable shortcuts to being able to have any woman you choose by approaching them in public.  Though in the case of some it just seems to be trying to laugh off the consequences of sexual assault as some kind of self help empowerment:

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Incels were originally never a misogynistic hate group towards women. They initially just stayed with self loathing due to their circumstances. Over the years it has morphed, with now a popular narrative that all incels are potentially misogynistic, they still mostly hate themselves and the realities they see. It's the same with "Redpill groups". It's relatively new as these concepts have been formed over the last 15 years I would say with the advent of social media progress. "Redpill" forums which is linked to "incel ideaology" firstly was originally about self improvement with some commentary on the "sexual market place", this also morphed to different directions where now there is "blackpill" theory that it seems incels subscribe too. This does not mean that the group has the capabilities to become a threat. However, if a charismatic cult like figure found a reach to them, that may cause problems. Personally I think it is a ticking time bomb in the west anyway, a large group of young males potentially filled with anger, frustrations, no way to express it and looking for answers...A prime group ready for manipulation. I see "experts" on the news talking about the group and they have no idea on what it is, yet this is a lot of young males worldwide. Incels are not in hiding or planning anything, just go on forums, it's all in plain sight, it just happens that no cares until a psychopath incel decides to do a madness. There is an overlap of the term "incel" also with Hikikomoris in Japan who socially see themselves as outcasts and exclude themselves from society, they also happpen to be incels too. Hikikomoris are well known, but a different narrative is associated with them, though a lot of attributes between an "incel" and a "hikikomori" overlap, in fact, I would almost go on to say they are almost one in the same.
I did some research following this story, and would you believe- irony upon irony-that the incel movement was started by a FEMALE, and a bisexual and later an avowed lesbian one at that. It was envisaged to be a place where people of all geneders, sexxual persuasions and races could meet-virtually of course- to share their common malaise and provide suppoert and encouragement to each other.
 The males would even ask the female members for hints and tips to help them become more proficient at conversing with women.   
The fact that it has now morphed into this toxic, mysogynistic bunch of violent weirdos's is probably the saddest part of all.

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One told me she wore a ring on her wedding ring finger just to make sure no one hassled her for a date (which tbh seemed unlikely anyway).  For women there's a wider package, including knowing you won't have children and will be forever asked by family why you haven't settled down yet etc. (I dunno, does this happen to men too?)

In a word, yes  :).

But then the people asking the question finally accept it probably won't happen.


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Initially looked like you were playing right into the hands of Nordics, however it could be read to mean you show dominance over yourself - your own situation.

Nordics?

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In a word, yes  :).

But then the people asking the question finally accept it probably won't happen.

I was once stood on my balcony having a fag with the waft of conversation from the flat below coming up of a summer's night, was the woman downstairs on the phone to someone detailing her upward climb with various mental health issues, during which she mentioned she'd not had sex for six years and was resigning herself to a life of 40s+ singlehood.  Not what you'd call a massive looker but a pair of Cs pushing against her drab blouses, bit of a waste really.

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I was once stood on my balcony having a fag with the waft of conversation from the flat below coming up of a summer's night, was the woman downstairs on the phone to someone detailing her upward climb with various mental health issues, during which she mentioned she'd not had sex for six years and was resigning herself to a life of 40s+ singlehood.  Not what you'd call a massive looker but a pair of Cs pushing against her drab blouses, bit of a waste really.


...and you're going to tell me you didn't tie two blankets together and abseil down a floor?


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...and you're going to tell me you didn't tie two blankets together and abseil down a floor?

I did think about striking up a convo with her in the street as she always had a party political poster up at election time, so I could fake interest about that.  I once had to go in her flat late at night due to an issue with water and she didn't bother to put her dressing gown on.  Though if she's strung out then possibly not worth a world of pain to get your dick wet.

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I did think about striking up a convo with her in the street as she always had a party political poster up at election time, so I could fake interest about that.  I once had to go in her flat late at night due to an issue with water and she didn't bother to put her dressing gown on.  Though if she's strung out then possibly not worth a world of pain to get your dick wet.


No dressing gown and asking you to sort out her waterworks was a definite come-on.

But yes, some situations are not worth the trouble getting into.


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A good primer on the varieties of incels, their worldview and their growing propensity for terrorism.

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A good primer on the varieties of incels, their worldview and their growing propensity for terrorism.

"Incels believe in a genetically essentialist social hierarchy. At the apex are “chads” – hyper-athletic attractive males who women desire instinctively. Beneath them are descending classes of “betas”. At the lowermost point are incels, whose innate characteristics make them unable to attract women. Height-cels say they are too short; skull and frame-cels blame their skeletal structure; wrist-cels believe their wrists are too thin; and there are many more delineations. Incels cannot accept responsibility for their lot in life, instead spinning themselves as victims of their own biology and societal oppression.

Incels blame women for this hierarchy and their low place within it. The culture portrays women as irrational and emotional creatures who are blindly pursuing the biological imperatives to seek sexual satisfaction and material security through marriage.

Incels believe women select different men for these functions, marrying an inferior “beta” for financial gain whilst cheating with “chads” for sexual gratification. To incels, women pursue their interests sociopathically and will not hesitate to harm men. A society dominated by women does the same and incels see their oppression as a natural consequence of women’s malicious and inhuman nature.
Nowhere is this expressed more bizarrely than the widely held incel belief in the “dogpill”. This is the view that women’s drive for sexual satisfaction is such that they will routinely have sex with large dogs. Absurdity is the point here. Women are portrayed as so depraved that they are undeserving of rights and bodily autonomy.

Incels call for women to be stripped of their rights and be forced to serve as state-mandated girlfriends or held in concentration camps. Incels see themselves as the sexless victims of women’s nature, and call for them to be contained or controlled accordingly."

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"Incels believe in a genetically essentialist social hierarchy. At the apex are “chads” – hyper-athletic attractive males who women desire instinctively. Beneath them are descending classes of “betas”. At the lowermost point are incels, whose innate characteristics make them unable to attract women. Height-cels say they are too short; skull and frame-cels blame their skeletal structure; wrist-cels believe their wrists are too thin; and there are many more delineations. Incels cannot accept responsibility for their lot in life, instead spinning themselves as victims of their own biology and societal oppression.

Incels blame women for this hierarchy and their low place within it. The culture portrays women as irrational and emotional creatures who are blindly pursuing the biological imperatives to seek sexual satisfaction and material security through marriage.

Incels believe women select different men for these functions, marrying an inferior “beta” for financial gain whilst cheating with “chads” for sexual gratification. To incels, women pursue their interests sociopathically and will not hesitate to harm men. A society dominated by women does the same and incels see their oppression as a natural consequence of women’s malicious and inhuman nature.
Nowhere is this expressed more bizarrely than the widely held incel belief in the “dogpill”. This is the view that women’s drive for sexual satisfaction is such that they will routinely have sex with large dogs. Absurdity is the point here. Women are portrayed as so depraved that they are undeserving of rights and bodily autonomy.

Incels call for women to be stripped of their rights and be forced to serve as state-mandated girlfriends or held in concentration camps. Incels see themselves as the sexless victims of women’s nature, and call for them to be contained or controlled accordingly."
I'd agree that some women can be emotional and irrational. Having said that I've known quite a few blokes that are even worse. The rest of it us complete nonsense isn't it? I'd say these fruitcakes need a very close eye to be kept on them.

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I'd agree that some women can be emotional and irrational. Having said that I've known quite a few blokes that are even worse. The rest of it us complete nonsense isn't it? I'd say these fruitcakes need a very close eye to be kept on them.
Yeah it's almost bordering on some weird cult / sect etc, problem is those sort of things always seem to draw in the weak and vulnerable who already have mental health issues and are susceptible to be brainwashed even further then carry out horrendous acts

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I don't believe this guy was an incel. He was someone with learning difficulties who couldn't form relationships and flipped.  Every Tom, Dick and Harry under 30 seems to have a narcissistic wanky social media presence nowadays, rambling into the camera about their inane lives - would be a normal thing to do for this lad to do. I can get how he'd be mis-branded an incel by a rabid media but the leap from there to terrorist seems ludicrous to me. Terrible grim incident all around - it doesn't need the added "spice" of lurid links to a nasty online subculture.

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Isn’t the suggestion that police should have gone through his social media, although an understandable reaction, also worrying?

The idea of someone applying for a gun and then the somewhat weird idea of a police force saying, “ok, just hang on a minute, we’ll troll through your social media and get back to you in a few days” — is that honestly going to happen??

I trust most people know how such internet searches are done… the software scans vast amounts of data connected with your mobile phone number searching for phrases that might indicate trouble and then looks for a pattern which is then reported. Not only social media but now phone calls and texts as well.

Can you imagine a decent citizen who nevertheless uses a stream of innocently-intended non-woke language ‘privately’ to a friend which is then picked up and used against him or her? Or on the other hand some criminally-minded incel, terrorist or psycho who is more aware and takes multiple precautions to hide his or her identity.!

The first case can be picked up quite quickly whereas the second requires a much larger amount of time and computer power. The police in the case in question apparently didn’t press objections to the license for fear of ‘discrimination’ (woke pressure basically). Yet other than for organised and licensed activities involving wildlife hunts, it seems hard to justify why anybody should have a gun in this country although our police have to work within existing legislation rather than refuse everyone.

Perhaps the best safeguard against such gun incidents against the public is not more surveillance but less availability of guns.

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Isn’t the suggestion that police should have gone through his social media, although an understandable reaction, also worrying?

The idea of someone applying for a gun and then the somewhat weird idea of a police force saying, “ok, just hang on a minute, we’ll troll through your social media and get back to you in a few days” — is that honestly going to happen??

I trust most people know how such internet searches are done… the software scans vast amounts of data connected with your mobile phone number searching for phrases that might indicate trouble and then looks for a pattern which is then reported. Not only social media but now phone calls and texts as well.

Can you imagine a decent citizen who nevertheless uses a stream of innocently-intended non-woke language ‘privately’ to a friend which is then picked up and used against him or her? Or on the other hand some criminally-minded incel, terrorist or psycho who is more aware and takes multiple precautions to hide his or her identity.!

The first case can be picked up quite quickly whereas the second requires a much larger amount of time and computer power. The police in the case in question apparently didn’t press objections to the license for fear of ‘discrimination’ (woke pressure basically). Yet other than for organised and licensed activities involving wildlife hunts, it seems hard to justify why anybody should have a gun in this country although our police have to work within existing legislation rather than refuse everyone.

Perhaps the best safeguard against such gun incidents against the public is not more surveillance but less availability of guns.


The only shop I know that has survived in the same family ownership in the same shop for as long as I can rememder, in a very nice residential side street, is a gun shop. Obviously there is a substantial market.
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TL;DR frustrated chump couldn't with get the hotties from Instagram

Jesus, imagine some kind of online discussion community where men bang on about women and their looks...

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TL;DR frustrated chump couldn't with get the hotties from Instagram

Jesus, imagine some kind of online discussion community where men bang on about women and their looks...


Big difference of course, ours is a fantasy world where we shag birds who are (hopefully) out of our league because we pay for it. No relationship wanted.

Those guys are getting all upset because they can't have the woman of their dreams to themselves. So they need to either pay for it like we do, or get used to the fact that they need to be attractive to the opposite sex, either with good looks or a winning charm (or a combination of both).

Trouble is, those guys are liable to have neither, plus they come across as creeps.

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Couple of extracts from said article.

"In the three months prior to the attack, he was active on multiple Reddit subforums (known as subreddits). He also uploaded eight YouTube videos in the month leading up to the attack. Davison had an Instagram account where he mainly followed pages of young, female Instagram models and a Facebook account, where he was ostensibly less active.

Davison appears to have had an ambivalent relationship with inceldom. He did not explicitly identify as an incel but did describe his mental state as being “blackpilled” – a term some incels use to describe a fatalistic belief that they will remain virgins forever due to a predetermined genetic order that rules them out of the social order. According to blackpill incels, no amount of self-improvement acts, often referred to as “looksmaxxing” can alter this.

In a Reddit post made three months prior to the attack, Davison admitted that reading about the blackpill was getting him down, describing it as “toxic negative bullshit”. However, in a YouTube video uploaded one month before the attack, he suggested that being blackpilled is increasingly common among men. He said that in modern society women no longer have need for “average men” as they are able to be more selective in choosing sexual partners, settling only for “chad” – which is the term incels use for a stereotypical alpha male.

Davison also engaged in misogynistic tropes. In one YouTube video he described “a lot of women” as “very simple minded” and as being conditioned by social media to want to be treated like “princesses” by rich, good-looking men. This dehumanising language is typical of men embedded in the online communities of the “manosphere”, including inceldom.

In one of his final YouTube uploads, he lamented the fact that going to the gym for years had not changed his life outcomes. He also commented that “80 percent of men are plain looking and illicit no emotional response upon seeing them”, indicating that he may have bought into the incel concept of “hypergramy”. This is the incel belief that only 20% of men are deemed attractive by 80% of women, known as the 80/20 rule.

Davison also framed his lack of sexual experience as one of many problems he was facing, indicating that he wasn’t singularly consumed with the incel subculture’s obsession with a lack of sex. He also appeared concerned with his mental and physical wellbeing, as demonstrated by various posts he made to the r/Depression subreddit.

He said he was feeling socially isolated and “beaten down and defeated”. Davison also frequently referenced domestic tensions with his mother, whom he described as “vile”, and felt played a role in his lack of romantic success with women. Therefore, Davison’s grievances cannot solely be associated with a lack of sexual success.

Davison’s online footprint reveals a complicated picture. We know he was familiar with incel tropes and expressed views which were steeped in misogyny, yet his social media also suggests he may have attempted to distance himself from the incel label. Davison also appeared to struggle both with his mental health and his relationship with his mother."

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One point: had Davison's dad been on the home scene during his upbringing? Or was his mum effectively a single parent?

I mention that only because a good father role model will help a young boy to grow up respecting women and to see how they should be treated (with kid gloves and lots of flattery  :rolleyes:  :D). But joking aside, I think that today many young men have no fucking idea how to be attractive to women, they get all their cues from porn videos and social media.

If they had a stable family background with a father displaying at least some affection to their mum, then they'd be more likely to grow up 'normal'.

So with the breakdown of the nuclear family so rife, is it really any surprise that we have gang culture referring to girls as hoes, as well as legions of young lads just totally unaware of how to treat and cherish girls?  :unknown:




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One point: had Davison's dad been on the home scene during his upbringing? Or was his mum effectively a single parent?

I mention that only because a good father role model will help a young boy to grow up respecting women and to see how they should be treated (with kid gloves and lots of flattery  :rolleyes:  :D). But joking aside, I think that today many young men have no fucking idea how to be attractive to women, they get all their cues from porn videos and social media.

If they had a stable family background with a father displaying at least some affection to their mum, then they'd be more likely to grow up 'normal'.

So with the breakdown of the nuclear family so rife, is it really any surprise that we have gang culture referring to girls as hoes, as well as legions of young lads just totally unaware of how to treat and cherish girls?  :unknown:

It's very complicated, the breakdown of nuclear families. It's a profitible activity to destroy a family from a £££££ standpoint looking at divorce terms alone. Look at the divorce industry, big business in the west. You would have to look into many variables, not just the father being absent. There are various factors included in relation to the breakdown of the typical nuclear family. One thing which I believe  has contributed was essentially the doubling of the workforce with the promotion of women into the workforce which has I think applied downward pressures on salaries and has removed the "traditional" mother and wife being at home acting as the foundations for the "nuclear family". Look at what sole household incomes could do back then and it could feed a family, now dual income households are not even enough. Also with more women chasing career aspirations which is perfectly fine, I am not saying it is not, this has reduced the more traditional typical roles of "stay at home wife", women stay in careers longer delaying potential "settling down", If they do get married and both parents work, who will raise the kid? Daycares and the school system no? So even then, can you say in a two parent household the father would even have time to be there and be the father figure or the mother be there to instill values to the child if both are working themselves just to stay above water? Can all the responsibility still be laid with the man not being present? Also, with professional women that I have seen, the succesful ones are not necessarily agreeable people, how can they go from a masculine environment of competition and struggle to becoming an emotional pillar of support for the family or juggle both being a successful career woman and "traditional wife" when there are men that cannot juggle being a full time worker and a family man. How will that family even become an emotionally stable environment for children to be raised to be "good citizens" and "cheerish" females with both parents at work or constantly at each others necks from the stresses of modern living? I have not even thrown in the incentive of divorcing being a profitible act for women in the west yet in this scernario of a "modern family" if the relationship is going through hard times, it's easier to divorce, destroy the family home and leave than stay and do till death do us part or for better or worse lol. If no one is really present or has the time and "emotional availbility" to educate the child, who will do it? This responsibility cannot be placed soley on a man, especially if the family has been broken up by divorce and the father is then reduced to a part time father only seeing their kids on weekends, that is nowhere near enough time to instill anything, barely even catch up on the kids life.

It's known that there has been an increase of single parent homes leading to children potentially growing up in challenging environments. However, also...The impact of media and music influencing the younger generation does contribute too. By your phrase of referring to girls as hoes, I take you mean a particular genre of rap music. Funnily enough if you go back enough Rap was a genuine means of expression before it became a privatised industry with labels promoting all types of nonsense to the mainstream. Everything is almost interlinked, from the individual, the family home, the enivronment they grow up in, the financial situation, third parties, societal influcences and economic realities as a whole. It would take too long to delve into, so saying it's gang culture alone, I would not necessarily agree with.

At the same time with your line of reasoning from your post, I can turn around and say that women completely disregard men too, I can now turn around and say this is their mothers fault and a gang culture of women on social media promoting seeing men as cash cows and "MEN ARE TRASH" or "MEN AIN'T SHIT" or "MEN ARE DOGS". Obviously I would not say that as it's more complicated than this.

The blame is not solely on men alone, this is my point. It's a combination of factors which can lead an individual to various outcomes, that's what I think anyway. Apologies for the long post.
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I didn’t read the whole of your post (it’s a bit densely packed) but I’d question the erosion of traditional nuclear families as a cause. It’s a common scapegoat but has been largely disproved in other cases when it’s been invoked (such as ‘problems of children from same sex marriages).

While I can’t cite proof — any more than proof can be cited from any other cause — I maybe suspect an erosion of ordinary discipline. Parents not allowed to smack a child, teachers at the mercy of violent children, and reduced powers of the police.

Young children need to be allowed and encouraged to develop in their own way: but they also need nominal rules, and the idea that breaking rules involves penalties. Rules should not be overbearing or restrictive. It is the principle of rules, of cause and effect that is useful. The family, and often the school, provides nurture to a young child as a prelude to that offered by the State. That includes a certain respect for the rule of law.

Rules are the basis of any civilisation. Rules of law, rules of etiquette, written, unwritten, spoken and unspoken. The purpose is not to restrict behaviour but to allow mutually fulfilling cooperation between the individuals within the group.

It is this lack of understanding of rules that is the downfall of the so-called ‘incel’. Not just irreverence for the rule of law or the rule of respect for the rights of others, but ignorance of the rules of attraction.

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The perpetrator has been described as an incel. Incels are members of misogynistic online groups of "involuntary celibate" men, who blame women for their sexual failings.

I’m sure it is a whole lot more complicated than it looks. But I can’t have been the only person to have looked at his photo - an unkempt gorilla of a man - and thought: it’s no wonder you can’t get a girlfriend or a shag! He might have been well advised to have started with a wash, a haircut and general grooming if he wanted to get a girlfriend. Instead he chose to blame women  :unknown:



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Or as a white guy he should have just book a holiday to SE Asia or register online to one of those stupid SE Asian dating apps and see how those girls gravitate towards him as if they have never seeing a white boy before.

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I didn’t read the whole of your post (it’s a bit densely packed) but I’d question the erosion of traditional nuclear families as a cause. It’s a common scapegoat but has been largely disproved in other cases when it’s been invoked (such as ‘problems of children from same sex marriages).

While I can’t cite proof — any more than proof can be cited from any other cause — I maybe suspect an erosion of ordinary discipline. Parents not allowed to smack a child, teachers at the mercy of violent children, and reduced powers of the police.

Young children need to be allowed and encouraged to develop in their own way: but they also need nominal rules, and the idea that breaking rules involves penalties. Rules should not be overbearing or restrictive. It is the principle of rules, of cause and effect that is useful. The family, and often the school, provides nurture to a young child as a prelude to that offered by the State. That includes a certain respect for the rule of law.

Rules are the basis of any civilisation. Rules of law, rules of etiquette, written, unwritten, spoken and unspoken. The purpose is not to restrict behaviour but to allow mutually fulfilling cooperation between the individuals within the group.

It is this lack of understanding of rules that is the downfall of the so-called ‘incel’. Not just irreverence for the rule of law or the rule of respect for the rights of others, but ignorance of the rules of attraction.

I agree with you, my post was talking about WW posts in relation to the erosion of nuclear families impacting young men today treating women badly or having warped views on them. I was explaining that the erosion of nuclear families is very complicated and has many factors involved, inputting some of the factors which I thought contributed. My main issue was that the sole blame is not on men alone not being present and an allusion in WW posts to a particular outside influence such as rap music referring to women as hoes, that many factors are involved. I said this around the end of my post.

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Couple of extracts from said article.

"In the three months prior to the attack, he was active on multiple Reddit subforums (known as subreddits). He also uploaded eight YouTube videos in the month leading up to the attack. Davison had an Instagram account where he mainly followed pages of young, female Instagram models and a Facebook account, where he was ostensibly less active.

Davison appears to have had an ambivalent relationship with inceldom. He did not explicitly identify as an incel but did describe his mental state as being “blackpilled” – a term some incels use to describe a fatalistic belief that they will remain virgins forever due to a predetermined genetic order that rules them out of the social order. According to blackpill incels, no amount of self-improvement acts, often referred to as “looksmaxxing” can alter this.

In a Reddit post made three months prior to the attack, Davison admitted that reading about the blackpill was getting him down, describing it as “toxic negative bullshit”. However, in a YouTube video uploaded one month before the attack, he suggested that being blackpilled is increasingly common among men. He said that in modern society women no longer have need for “average men” as they are able to be more selective in choosing sexual partners, settling only for “chad” – which is the term incels use for a stereotypical alpha male.

Davison also engaged in misogynistic tropes. In one YouTube video he described “a lot of women” as “very simple minded” and as being conditioned by social media to want to be treated like “princesses” by rich, good-looking men. This dehumanising language is typical of men embedded in the online communities of the “manosphere”, including inceldom.

In one of his final YouTube uploads, he lamented the fact that going to the gym for years had not changed his life outcomes. He also commented that “80 percent of men are plain looking and illicit no emotional response upon seeing them”, indicating that he may have bought into the incel concept of “hypergramy”. This is the incel belief that only 20% of men are deemed attractive by 80% of women, known as the 80/20 rule.

Davison also framed his lack of sexual experience as one of many problems he was facing, indicating that he wasn’t singularly consumed with the incel subculture’s obsession with a lack of sex. He also appeared concerned with his mental and physical wellbeing, as demonstrated by various posts he made to the r/Depression subreddit.

He said he was feeling socially isolated and “beaten down and defeated”. Davison also frequently referenced domestic tensions with his mother, whom he described as “vile”, and felt played a role in his lack of romantic success with women. Therefore, Davison’s grievances cannot solely be associated with a lack of sexual success.

Davison’s online footprint reveals a complicated picture. We know he was familiar with incel tropes and expressed views which were steeped in misogyny, yet his social media also suggests he may have attempted to distance himself from the incel label. Davison also appeared to struggle both with his mental health and his relationship with his mother."
I had an account on Reddit for years as there is quite a big and helpful community for health and fitness, various sports and also a lot of niche car stuff like JDM.
I didn't venture into incel stuff as I wansn't aware of that at the time- this was prior that bloke in Canada killing all those people with the van-though I did look at a couple of subs- one was called Alone Forever or similar.
It was bascially lots of late teens and 20 somethings of both genders bemoaning their status of being viirgins or if not virgins being unable to successfully maintain relationships etc. I did comment on a couple of posts as I did feel a bit sorry for some of the members but after a while people starting having a bit of a go back at me for "being judgemental" so I just left them to it.
There were also some absolutely awful dating subs which, without wishing to sound like a mysognist, seemed to be dominated by a large number of extremely angry, bitter and borederline misandrsitic women who would pile in when any male asked for dating advice.
I deleted my account as most of the other subs I mentioned that I belonged to got a bit crap and were increasingly filled up with dickheads trolling everyone and the rest of the site was just depressing as fuck.  :thumbsdown:

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"Sexual Utopia in Power is a short book by American White nationalist Roger Devlin (originally an article published in the white nationalist journal The Occidental Quarterly) which explains how the sexual revolution may have exacerbated inceldom, among other things. The book is notable for not containing any statistics or citations, making the entire book a hypothesis.

It is a favorite book among MGTOWs although many self-described incels also generally agree with it, reaching many of the same conclusions without even hearing of the book (probably due to the book's influence on the manosphere)."

Yes, there's an incel wikipedia for those interested. I wonder how many men have read this who are seen as incels.

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I do think the sexual revolution was a good thing. It took a hit as the AIDS thing caused much worry but overall produced the liberated woman and to a lesser the liberated man. Feminist Betty Friedan for instance wrote an excellent book called The Feminine Mystique, though she u-turned in a later book which extolled woman as housewife! Male liberation was less prominent and in some of its better aspects became an awareness not to be beguiled by female manipulation (best text at the time: The Manipulated Man).

If it heralded a breakdown of family and family values that (in the bigger picture of things) is a teething problem rather than a counter argument. New constructs are needed for successful raising of children. Some have been developed; some have been fought against (the government has a vested interest in maintaining family units yet has also interfered badly with parenting and schooling).

Society is developing. In some ways not fast enough: in others, hubris and bigoted campaign groups try to save the corpse of values no longer suited to purpose.

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"Sexual Utopia in Power is a short book by American White nationalist Roger Devlin (originally an article published in the white nationalist journal The Occidental Quarterly) which explains how the sexual revolution may have exacerbated inceldom, among other things. The book is notable for not containing any statistics or citations, making the entire book a hypothesis.

It is a favorite book among MGTOWs although many self-described incels also generally agree with it, reaching many of the same conclusions without even hearing of the book (probably due to the book's influence on the manosphere)."

Yes, there's an incel wikipedia for those interested. I wonder how many men have read this who are seen as incels.

Read the book and it is an incredible compelling argument. I can't believe it was shelved as incel territory. It's a perfect description of gender dynamics in the present time.

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I do think the sexual revolution was a good thing. It took a hit as the AIDS thing caused much worry but overall produced the liberated woman and to a lesser the liberated man. Feminist Betty Friedan for instance wrote an excellent book called The Feminine Mystique, though she u-turned in a later book which extolled woman as housewife! Male liberation was less prominent and in some of its better aspects became an awareness not to be beguiled by female manipulation (best text at the time: The Manipulated Man).

If it heralded a breakdown of family and family values that (in the bigger picture of things) is a teething problem rather than a counter argument. New constructs are needed for successful raising of children. Some have been developed; some have been fought against (the government has a vested interest in maintaining family units yet has also interfered badly with parenting and schooling).

Society is developing. In some ways not fast enough: in others, hubris and bigoted campaign groups try to save the corpse of values no longer suited to purpose.

I am not sure if the sexual revolution was a good thing for the average male. I agree with everything else you have stated. I think I put a link of the book manipulated man in the mental health thread in the past. It's a very good read.

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Read the book and it is an incredible compelling argument. I can't believe it was shelved as incel territory. It's a perfect description of gender dynamics in the present time.

Could you maybe give a precis please?

I am not sure if the sexual revolution was a good thing for the average male. I agree with everything else you have stated. I think I put a link of the book manipulated man in the mental health thread in the past. It's a very good read.

Impressed that you’ve read Manipulated Man.

‘Sexual revolution not a good thing for the average male?’ In what way? It did usher in an era of increased opportunity with the greater acceptance of birth control by women, and allowed women to be more equal partners. The current trend for gender identity erosion will be a minor stumbling block I think historically. Of course the ‘average’ male (or female) is neither particularly liberated or cognisant of the other’s liberation so there is still some way to go in that respect.

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Could you maybe give a precis please?

Impressed that you’ve read Manipulated Man.

‘Sexual revolution not a good thing for the average male?’ In what way? It did usher in an era of increased opportunity with the greater acceptance of birth control by women, and allowed women to be more equal partners. The current trend for gender identity erosion will be a minor stumbling block I think historically. Of course the ‘average’ male (or female) is neither particularly liberated or cognisant of the other’s liberation so there is still some way to go in that respect.

I'll try to keep my post as brief as possible. I think we may be seeing two different concepts within the same term, I am not looking from a perspective of women becoming equal partners having ownership with birth control and increased freedom to make a responsible choice. I am looking at it from the perspective of which gender has gained the upper hand in relation to how the deal with the opposite gender in terms of what can be gained from and using sex as a means to get ones desires as a whole.

I have never believed in an "equal balance" between genders and I think this can be seen throughout history. I think the balance has previously been in mens favour in terms of which gender has more "leverage" over another. It still is to an extent and can be seen in countries where liberal ideals have not fully taken root. This is not necessarily a good or a bad thing, just an observation. In the past, women faced more consequences for their actions in comparison to men under sexual terms and judgement than men otherwise per say, so their behaviour reflected those consequences. It was much harder for women to be sexually adventurous with lack of birth control, societal judgement etc. Also with the lack technology, people in general lived in "smaller worlds" limiting choices for both sexes in terms of potential sexual reach. I believe with the lack of choice, both genders were more really had to deal with what they could get. In combination with societal values and laws in terms of divorce not being misandrist as they are now; I believe the average male had a better chance at securing a sexual partner, along with the increased strength of the "nuclear family", although women could argue they were at a disadvantage in terms of choice and aspirations which I do also agree with. The potential consequences for women for adventourous sexual behaviour were too severe unlike in the present time. I want to be quick so I will not elaborate, I am sure it is easy to fill the gaps on examples of the consequences.

With the advent of the sexual revolution and the change of perception towards sex which led to increased sexual behaviours;with the eventual decent of the "sex and the city" culture of the career woman approaching sex like men do....and now the final icing of social media altering peoples perceptions of realitly. I believe now we have reached the point in western society, where the average male cannot secure a sexual partner without serious effort worth of a full time job and the impact of the juice is not worth the squeeze is too high. I have not even gone into how men get divorced raped and the destruction of the "nuclear family" which has taken place. I can just sum it down to this: Would you have ever imagined men paying for pictures and interactions with women online without ever meeting them? Also, men paying for kids they would barely really see on top of losing a significant portion of their assets from a divorce? 

Truth be told, I think the sexual revolution has truly liberated the men at the top that have access to resources to get sex from women. Now men with resources, have the chance to attain have sex lives previously only literal kings could have with harems etc. However, the average male in these times might aswell be invisible and forget having a sex life, just look at the rise of incels. Of course they could shift the problem by moving countries where they become the man with resources to access sex but then the local men may then inherit the same problems.

I could elaborate but I remember the last time I made a long post you mentioned it was too densely packed, so I'll stop there. I hope that has shed some light on what I mean.