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Offline taplow

I would say that the reason HIV is always cited as the reason not to BB is that they would mention Gonorrhea and chlamydia much more often as their chief fears if only they were able to successfully spell them without having to google it.

That made me chuckle.  To be honest I thought they were countries. 

Offline punk

talking about nasty gono its out there and is getting harder to treat, by the way good luck sp hope your condition clears up, but you should have rubbered up with that polish bit last week  :hi:

Offline brislex

From the NHS - How common is HIV?

At the end of 2012, there were an estimated 98,400 people in the UK living with HIV. The majority were infected through sex (41,000 gay and bisexual men and 53,000 heterosexuals).
More than 1 in 5 people with HIV (over 20,000) do not know they are infected.
Around 1 in every 650 people in the UK has HIV but the two groups with highest rates of HIV are gay and bisexual men and African men and women, where the rates are approximately 1 in 20 and 1 in 25 respectively.
The World Health Organization estimates that around 34 million people in the world are living with HIV.
The virus is particularly widespread in sub-Saharan African countries, such as South Africa, Zimbabwe and Mozambique.

So, it is quite a high risk, partly why I would always used a condom, even when I had a girlfriend.
But problem is I never "finished" with a girl. No Fucking, BJ, Titfuck have done it.  Just wonder if its to do with the condom thats all.






If one in 650 in uk,has hiv, one would expect to know someone socially, or at least have read of somenone who was even a micro-celebrity who had died of the condition,,,yet curious silence from the members. And if this one in 650 got hiv from sex, what kind of sex. And as use of condoms world wide is a best sporadic, you would expect infection rates to be similar universally, after all this is a " pandemic". What happened to all the exchange of "body fluids" warnings? Why does it affect gay men, drug users primarily? If its passed through sex, why do lesbians not get it?

Offline wristjob

If one in 650 in uk,has hiv, one would expect to know someone socially, or at least have read of somenone who was even a micro-celebrity who had died of the condition,,,yet curious silence from the members. And if this one in 650 got hiv from sex, what kind of sex. And as use of condoms world wide is a best sporadic, you would expect infection rates to be similar universally, after all this is a " pandemic". What happened to all the exchange of "body fluids" warnings? Why does it affect gay men, drug users primarily? If its passed through sex, why do lesbians not get it?

As i understand it it's more about getting into the blood. Anal sex is more dangerous than vaginal sex for the recipient because basically there's less barrier between semen & blood. Gay guys have more anal sex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Transmission




I sometimes notice profiles where a lady states that she has a bisexual boyfriend. Avoid.

Offline JV547845

one would expect to know someone socially,

Given you have such an obviously warm, welcoming and accepting manner, if you had HIV would you even tell yourself you had it?  I'm not surprised noone you know has told you they've had it. 

Offline rolf32313

If one in 650 in uk,has hiv, one would expect to know someone socially, or at least have read of somenone who was even a micro-celebrity who had died of the condition,,,yet curious silence from the members. And if this one in 650 got hiv from sex, what kind of sex. And as use of condoms world wide is a best sporadic, you would expect infection rates to be similar universally, after all this is a " pandemic". What happened to all the exchange of "body fluids" warnings? Why does it affect gay men, drug users primarily? If its passed through sex, why do lesbians not get it?
Drug users I think the answer is simple, they share needles which makes the transfer of blood and thus blood born conditions very simple.
Gay men, well believe it on not, the ass wasn't designed to have a cock in it where as pussy was. Thus even with lube you are significantly more likely to cause tears to both parties which act as a entry point for HIV. Anal sex with a woman is equally risky as anal with a man.
Lesbians are a low risk group as they can't engage in high risk activities the other groups can as their is no penis to penetrate in the relationship, probably the highest risk activity is fisting which is still quite low risk.

As for universal rates globally, you wouldn't expect this as different social cultures have different approached to sex and drug use. For example while intravenous drug use is illegal in most countries, those where it is 'tolerated' and to a degree supported by schemes such as no questions asked needle swaps have seen significant drop in the infection rates in this group. Where you have similar cultures the rates are similar but their are so many different factors such as social mobility (immigration/tourists...), wealth, access to healthcare...

 




From the NHS - How common is HIV?

At the end of 2012, there were an estimated 98,400 people in the UK living with HIV. The majority were infected through sex (41,000 gay and bisexual men and 53,000 heterosexuals).
More than 1 in 5 people with HIV (over 20,000) do not know they are infected.
Around 1 in every 650 people in the UK has HIV but the two groups with highest rates of HIV are gay and bisexual men and African men and women, where the rates are approximately 1 in 20 and 1 in 25 respectively.
The World Health Organization estimates that around 34 million people in the world are living with HIV.
The virus is particularly widespread in sub-Saharan African countries, such as South Africa, Zimbabwe and Mozambique.

So, it is quite a high risk, partly why I would always used a condom, even when I had a girlfriend.
But problem is I never "finished" with a girl. No Fucking, BJ, Titfuck have done it.  Just wonder if its to do with the condom thats all.

You mean  1 in 5 African men/women have HIV??

Offline CBPaul

You mean  1 in 5 African men/women have HIV??

Don't think so, it's 1 in 5 in he UK don't even know they are infected. The African 'estimates' are 1 in 20 men and 1 in 25 women infected.

The key to it all is the use of the word estimated.

Scary figures none the less.

Offline punk

If one in 650 in uk,has hiv, one would expect to know someone socially, or at least have read of somenone who was even a micro-celebrity who had died of the condition,,,yet curious silence from the members. And if this one in 650 got hiv from sex, what kind of sex. And as use of condoms world wide is a best sporadic, you would expect infection rates to be similar universally, after all this is a " pandemic". What happened to all the exchange of "body fluids" warnings? Why does it affect gay men, drug users primarily? If its passed through sex, why do lesbians not get it?

because you have to pass fluids and its how the hiv virus works.

Offline JV547845

1 in 5 in he UK don't even know they are infected. T

I'm cynical about that.  Do 20% of the HIV tests GUM clinics do come back positive?

No mingling of the blood, no hiv , no aids, seems obvious to me.As for the different cultures, sexually we are basically a village, and as for drug use, druggies live such chaotic lives, that no matter what medical infrastructure is in place they will still use dirty needles. The point about lesbians, is that millions were spent on  the passing of body fluids  campaign, when it was obviously mendacious, but who cares the various lobby groups trousered the money, and most have forgotten about the adverts. Its inconceivable nowadays that a disease that in reality threatened very few people indeed, received such amazing amounts of govt money. No one on this forum,has yet admitted to knowing somenone  who has died from aids, who wasn't a gay man, a drug user, or given a transfusion of infected blood., im still waiting,,,,,

jcdmj12

Rock was a gay man, I repeat my point you would expect at least one famous man or even someone in your social circle to have died from the disease, remember the posters? We were meant to be walking over the corpses on the way to work. Yet every time bb is mentioned, someone comes out with the phrase Russian roulette, which is a 6-1 chance of death, bareback sex, is less dangerous than cycling to work to mention but one activity, or diy in the home.

I take your point, but I wouldn't want to be saddled with any chronic disease, fatal or no.  Antiretroviral drugs aren't like taking a couple of paracetomol for a headache. They can have some nasty side-effects and complications.  Plus you're signing up to a lifetime of regular blood tests and hospital appointments to get your CD4 counts and viral load monitored.  There are also other nasties like Hep B & Hep C (you can and should vaccinate against Hep B but it's still only 95% effective) which cause liver cancer and cirrhosis.

At the time of the big HIV campaigns, it WAS a death sentence, but we've actually made pretty damn good progress in treating it.  It didn't become widespread in US/EU heterosexual non-injecting drug users until after effective treatments were available, which is why you haven't seen mass fatalities in that population.

Cycling to work isn't dangerous in net relative risk terms, because increased chance of dying from pollution or an accident are outweighed several times over by the reduced chance of dying from cardiovascular disease.  That's a good example of risk vs benefit.  You run a small risk of dying in an accident to get a large benefit in improved health.  Whether or not you feel the benefit of improved sensation during sex is worth the risk of getting an incurable STI is a personal judgement, of course. 

Something else to bear in mind is that HIV does something called recombination when two different strains infect the same person.  Essentially, the two strains can mutate one another and create something more deadly/infectious/resistant to treatment.  I'd say that if you're BB shagging someone who has a LOT of unprotected sexual partners, your chance that they'll be infected by a recombinant strain is much higher. No thanks.

Offline punk

spunk contains a small amount of blood,also having a sti like gono does not help, but do as you please.

jcdmj12

I'm cynical about that.  Do 20% of the HIV tests GUM clinics do come back positive?

You've got the numbers mixed up.  The overall prevalance of HIV in the UK population is approx 1.5/1000 i.e. 0.15%.  If 20% of those are unaware, that means 0.03% of the overall population are infected but unaware.


jcdmj12

If one in 650 in uk,has hiv, one would expect to know someone socially, or at least have read of somenone who was even a micro-celebrity who had died of the condition,,,yet curious silence from the members. And if this one in 650 got hiv from sex, what kind of sex. And as use of condoms world wide is a best sporadic, you would expect infection rates to be similar universally, after all this is a " pandemic". What happened to all the exchange of "body fluids" warnings? Why does it affect gay men, drug users primarily? If its passed through sex, why do lesbians not get it?

If you want to see whether or not BB sex is really dangerous, why not look at South Africa?  About 10% of South Africans have HIV/AIDS, almost exclusively spread through BB Hetero sex with multiple concurrent partners.

Offline JV547845

Thanks for the clarification jcdm I'll RTFT properly next time.  1 in 5 of the people with HIV don't know they have it. 

If you want to see whether or not BB sex is really dangerous, why not look at South Africa?  About 10% of South Africans have HIV/AIDS, almost exclusively spread through BB Hetero sex with multiple concurrent partners.

No evidence that the south Africans have more partners than the british, therefore you would expect to see the same rates here. That is if you believe that the cause of hiv in Africa is sexual activity.

Offline JV547845

No evidence that the south Africans have more partners than the british, therefore you would expect to see the same rates here. That is if you believe that the cause of hiv in Africa is sexual activity.

Dude you're full of utter bull shit.  Stop.  Just stop right now.

Offline punk

No evidence that the south Africans have more partners than the british, therefore you would expect to see the same rates here. That is if you believe that the cause of hiv in Africa is sexual activity.

ok what causes it than?

ok what causes it than?

given that sexual activity commences at the same age and continues at the same level, and no of partners in much of the world, with the same sporadic or non use of condoms, you would expect to see the same level of hiv, in London, Rio or cape town, factor in the free movement of populations, this is not the case. Which would indicate that the cause of significantly higher rates in certain areas of the world, has a cause other than sexual activity. You would also have expected to have seen a global increase in hiv after the the world cup in south Africa,"a perfect storm" for spreading a sexual epidemic, but there has been no spike. I am not postulating any reason for the high level of aids in Africa, merely suggesting that sex seems the improbable reason.

ok what causes it than?
Thank you Punk for raising the question.
Not withstanding all the theories given earlier might I offer "poverty, lack of education and lifestyle" as being major contributors to the spread of HIV.
Please don't tell me we are all shagging monkeys.
PP

Offline wristjob

Don't think so, it's 1 in 5 in he UK don't even know they are infected. The African 'estimates' are 1 in 20 men and 1 in 25 women infected.

The key to it all is the use of the word estimated.

Scary figures none the less.

www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN02210.pdf

"Official" figures.

2/3 of people with HIV in the UK were infected outside the UK - AIDS tourism! I think most are African, wonder if some are the Ibiza crowd? So out of 3000 diagnosed in 2011 maybe 1000-1200 actually caught it in the UK


Black African men and women living in the UK also have a high HIV prevalence, at 47 per 1,000 population (England and Wales only). Among black African men, HIV
prevalence was 31 per 1,000 population, and among black African women it was 64 per 1,000 population.


Justification for escorts avoiding black people.



HIV prevalence is high among MSM in the UK. Assuming that 3.4% of the adult male population are MSM, one in 20 gay men are living with HIV nationally (47 per 1,000
population), and one in 11 in London (83 per 1,000).



The UK prevalence rate gives it a rank of 91 out of the 123 countries contained in the UN AIDSinfo database. A rank of 1 is assigned to the country with the highest prevalence, in
2011 this was Swaziland (259 per 1,000).



In 2011, there were 73,659 individuals in the UK accessing HIV care. Risk factors for these existing cases are broadly similar to those for new diagnoses, with around 43% of individuals
acquiring their infection through male homosexual sex, and 34% being of black African ethnicity.


If you aren't having sex with a gay man (fair assumption) nor a black African woman then there's probably a 1/3000 chance they have HIV, and then you have to catch it. Assuming you are fit etc - probably something well under 1/million per BB shag. Still I think I'll remain irrationally safe for now and there's plenty of other nasties.

Offline punk

Thank you Punk for raising the question.
Not withstanding all the theories given earlier might I offer "poverty, lack of education and lifestyle" as being major contributors to the spread of HIV.
Please don't tell me we are all shagging monkeys.
PP

who said any thing about shagging monkeys. :unknown:


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