Scammed Or Fucked Over By Low Lifes; What Would You Do?

[smiths]

I have read some posts on here about what punters would do in the event of getting scammed or otherwise fucked over by a low life either while visiting them in their premises or them coming to the punters premises. If it happened to you what would you do?

It has happened to me a number of times over my 30+ years punting. I have chalked it to experience and since posting on punting forums named and shamed the low life so at least those reading the site would be aware.

IMO its wise to be careful in getting into an argument in a premises where you arent sure who is in it. I have taken the view that i COULD be potentially attacked and no one knows where i am usually. I understand the viewpoint that a punter doesnt want the low life to get away with it of course, but how far would you go? I wouldnt break the law myself as i dont see the risk worth taking and dont advocate anyone doing so.

[yorkshire123]

I have read some posts on here about what punters would do in the event of getting scammed or otherwise fucked over by a low life either while visiting them in their premises or them coming to the punters premises. If it happened to you what would you do?

It has happened to me a number of times over my 30+ years punting. I have chalked it to experience and since posting on punting forums named and shamed the low life so at least those reading the site would be aware.

IMO its wise to be careful in getting into an argument in a premises where you arent sure who is in it. I have taken the view that i COULD be potentially attacked and no one knows where i am usually. I understand the viewpoint that a punter doesnt want the low life to get away with it of course, but how far would you go? I wouldnt break the law myself as i dont see the risk worth taking and dont advocate anyone doing so.

Walk away & chalk it up as bad luck or my piss poor due diligence (still be pissed off though)
Report it on here & remind members when a new profile appears or changes. I would make sure it will cost her more money in the long run than she scammed off me.

I see Punting money the same as i would gambling (if i did it), if you can't afford to lose it don't use it

[Steely Dan]

I would never risk getting the shit beat out of me to make a point.  Wisdom>honour.

Once safe, I would do what i can to discourage - this would be naming, shaming and crime-stoppers as appropriate.

Last time this happened was a Soho club in the early 90 - i did nothing.  I regret this.  Today I would escape, but then call the old Bill.

[SeekingtheTruth]

Not sure how I would react, I suppose it would depend on the individual situation. I'm not one to let people get one over on me though so would probably make an attempt to correct the situation.

There is always the risk that there is a big bad pimp there but I'm not too concerned about that possibility tbh.

Would definitely be flagging the scammer on here. Got to lookout for your fellow punters 

[itk]

I would never risk getting the shit beat out of me to make a point.  Wisdom>honour.

Once safe, I would do what i can to discourage - this would be naming, shaming and crime-stoppers as appropriate.

Last time this happened was a Soho club in the early 90 - i did nothing.  I regret this.  Today I would escape, but then call the old Bill.

Very similar happened to myself and a couple of mates in Soho, we were in our early 20's and it was our first trip there. Got tricked into a lap dancing type bar and then asked to pay £100 for a waitresses drink. Told to fuck off and then two heavies appeared. We ended up paying almost £80 to get out. Bastards!!!

[Siadwel]

God forbid it happening but, yeah, walk away, chalk it up, go home, kick the cat, if I had one.

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[smiths]

Very similar happened to myself and a couple of mates in Soho, we were in our early 20's and it was our first trip there. Got tricked into a lap dancing type bar and then asked to pay £100 for a waitresses drink. Told to fuck off and then two heavies appeared. We ended up paying almost £80 to get out. Bastards!!!

Similar happened to me in a Clip Joint in Soho in the 80s although i wasnt aware it was such a place when i went in. Asked to cough up £50 per drink for a hostess to which i refused. In the end fortunately i was able to push my way out. I saw this was still going on in a police documentary about 10 years or so ago, in that the low lifes got done.

[jackdaw]

First priority is to get out safely…trying to get money back would not be a priority. The idea of taking "revenge action" on day itself is not something that would cross my mind.

I would certainly post a report on this site. Beyond that I would give police an anonymous tip-off ONLY if I thought fellow punters ran a realistic risk of being physically assaulted.

[Matium]

If you're young, fit and reckless then I suppose you could make a stand.

Otherwise, discretion is the better part of valour.

It's only money, after all.

[Bobbob84]

I would guess many scammers or pi$$ poor punts rely on the fear factor of someone else being on the premises to scare the punter. Judging by previous posts it seems to work too.

I agree it's not worth the risk finding out. I wouln't argue either. Even if it's just the pro$$ie present, she could pull a knife or just simply be a vicious fucker herself. How would you explain a scratched face if she swipes?

Revenge is best done with cool head. Print off a load of her profiles and post them around her neighbours, send a $hit in the post, report to crime stoppers and of course neg review here.

[Head]

oh my. I have a blue belt in bjj and do a few boxing lessons. i Would fight to the death

[yorkshire123]

oh my. I have a blue belt in bjj and do a few boxing lessons. i Would fight to the death

Good for you

So you would kick the shit out of her would you?
I thought martial arts & boxing were all about restraint, or did you miss that class? 

[MrMan1973]

Walk away.
Sure you're gonna be pissed off, angry, upset etc but this will pass.

It's happened to me on a couple of occasions in the old pre AW days but I think if you're prepared to do some research and maybe talk first you get a good impression.

EE girls are a gamble but can pay off if again you've researched them..

[vt]

If you're young, fit and reckless then I suppose you could make a stand.

Otherwise, discretion is the better part of valour.

It's only money, after all.

Me likewise, I don't want to get into fights with people I don't know, though I rarely go to places where I'm likely to be scammed.

Of course these low-lifes rely on most punters walking away quietly. However, they do run the risk of picking on the wrong person who sees red and kicks off...it couldn't happen to nicer people really! 

[Jimmyredcab]

Walk away.
Sure you're gonna be pissed off, angry, upset etc but this will pass.

It depends on what has happened, if I had been attacked or threatened I would leave as quickly as possible and go straight to the police, of course that is not an option for you married guys.

Another option is to get out safely and then write to every person in the street or block of flats and let them know that prostitutes are operating on the premises, it won't get your money back but it will probably lead to them getting thrown out.

[Jimmyredcab]

Of course these low-lifes rely on most punters walking away quietly. However, they do run the risk of picking on the wrong person who sees red and kicks off...it couldn't happen to nicer people really! 

Probably not a good idea to take these people on, you might have to fight a Bulgarian gangster like this ------- unless you like hospital food.

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[Curious6705]

I once went into a Soho basement to see if it was really a rip off. It was, of course, and I was told I couldn't just leave. I laughed in their faces and walked out.

Other than that no one has ever tried it on - though I have had many crap punts over the years, which add up to a lot of times I was fucked over in one way or another. I think one WG thought she would blackmail me, I ignored her and nothing came of it.

The was one time I was looking for a punt in a Croatian bar and it was clear that a group of regulars had decided to sort me out. I sat at the front of the bar writing a postcard watching to see what would happen. The barmaid was gorgeous and I had enjoyed chatting to her. She intervened - couldn't understand she said to them but it was clear from the body language and tone of voices that she told them to chill out and they obeyed.

[mothra]

Years ago one of my relative picked up a street pro$$ie after finishing his game at the casino. She took him back to her place and was robbed/conned into giving a 100 quid without providing any service and was threaten by her pimp. He obviously was annoyed and walked. When he was outside he took a rock through one of their windows and legged it.

[billyjo]

I remember seeing a documentary a few years ago where a guy returned with a gun and started shooting at the two heavies on the door of a soho club that was notorious for ripping guys off with the extortionate hostesses drink fee trick.

[akauya]

Very similar happened to myself and a couple of mates in Soho, we were in our early 20's and it was our first trip there. Got tricked into a lap dancing type bar and then asked to pay £100 for a waitresses drink. Told to fuck off and then two heavies appeared. We ended up paying almost £80 to get out. Bastards!!!

Happened to me too. I must have been 19 or 20 when I ended up in one of those joints. It was a pretty girl that lured me into that shit hole, as always my cock took over. Luckily I didn't have much on me but I still I ended up forking out about £40 though when two heavies turned up. The cunts must have made so much money in all that time.

[Daffodil]

Depends on the situation and the nature of the scam.

I would do my best to get them back mind and people (like these scam artists) who think they can operate with impunity piss me off.

Like Jimmy says, a letter through the door of all their neighbours is a good idea. Legal and no comeback to you. An anonymous tip off to HMRC or to those who investigate benefit fraud would be another. Send them on false outcalls and generally waste their time. Let the landlord know what is happening in his premises.

If you're single and a crime has been committed then report it to the police.

Always post the negatives on here and other forums (those that allow you to anyway  ).

[Daffodil]

I'd also warn against posting on this thread that you would just walk and chalk it up to experience.

The scammers must be rubbing their hands in glee, the conclusion they must be reaching from this thread is that 80% of punters won't put up any resistance.

And what if the scammer links your profile here to you in the punting world? Open season if you choose to visit the scam.

[James999]

I work to the Power of Ten rule, i.e. if I got "no Showed" then I would arrange for her to have 10 "no shows" and preferably outcalls 

[James999]

Another option is to get out safely and then write to every person in the street or block of flats and let them know that prostitutes are operating on the premises, it won't get your money back but it will probably lead to them getting thrown out.

Or check the Land registry and contact the property owner (as it's unlikely to be the pro$$ie) and any associated Mortgage lender as they will not be keen on being associated with prostitution, and of course make sure the local authority are aware the property is being used for commercial purposes so they can collect business rates 

[cockneybstrd]

I'd also warn against posting on this thread that you would just walk and chalk it up to experience.

The scammers must be rubbing their hands in glee, the conclusion they must be reaching from this thread is that 80% of punters won't put up any resistance.

Agreed.

[gorge]

I would walk if I had not handed any money over. It is important you show confidence and no weakness. It is also important that you prepared beforehand and only had the stuff you needed for the punt - ie no extra money or cards or phone. 

If they had my money I would weigh up the situation - is it just him/her or are there others? Am I likely to come back to this area/town/city? A single person I would get my money back from - I would make sure they were in no doubt that I was serious. Your stance,confidence and attitude is important here - If you get it right you will get your money back - they don't want any hassle - why would they? - there will be another victim along shortly.

If you are 5'2" , look like a bank clerk wearing glasses and he is 6'4" and 18 stone this is definitely going to be a challenge .. but it is all down to attitude.

[JB1969]

If a girl ever pulled a move on me like she did to Alistair I would have taken her television, no doubt she would have had a flat screen television.  Or at least put a hole through the thing, pissed on her mattress or gone through her cupbards and found a tin of tuna and stuffed it into her matress where she could not find it. 

Or I would go through her mail get her real name, the house is empty anyway called DWP reported her and called HMRC, made copies of her profile that day and then dropped leaflets through her whole streets doors taped it to lamp posts etc.  What is she going to do? Nothing, she can not prove who I am, I use a throw away punting phone.

[vorian]

If a girl ever pulled a move on me like she did to Alistair I would have taken her television, no doubt she would have had a flat screen television.  Or at least put a hole through the thing, pissed on her mattress or gone through her cupbards and found a tin of tuna and stuffed it into her matress where she could not find it. 

Or I would go through her mail get her real name, the house is empty anyway called DWP reported her and called HMRC, made copies of her profile that day and then dropped leaflets through her whole streets doors taped it to lamp posts etc.  What is she going to do? Nothing, she can not prove who I am, I use a throw away punting phone.

Or, like in his case, you could roll over on your back and let her pimp fuck you up the arse, while you beg forgiveness for not having more money for them to scam off you.

[CBPaul]

If a girl ever pulled a move on me like she did to Alistair I would have taken her television, no doubt she would have had a flat screen television.  Or at least put a hole through the thing, pissed on her mattress or gone through her cupbards and found a tin of tuna and stuffed it into her matress where she could not find it. 

Or I would go through her mail get her real name, the house is empty anyway called DWP reported her and called HMRC, made copies of her profile that day and then dropped leaflets through her whole streets doors taped it to lamp posts etc.  What is she going to do? Nothing, she can not prove who I am, I use a throw away punting phone.

Presumably she would happily wait whilst you go through her mail and go to find the tuna.

Distributing leaflets through neighbours doors is a good one.

[cockneybstrd]

1. I have never been threatened and woe betide the man that does, 15 years being an ex doorman and I teach Brazillian Jiu Jitsu look it up if you don't know what that is.

V as Alistairs stated he has never been threatened by a man. he does not deny he has been blackmailed into submission by a prossie and her pimp interestingly.

CBPaul - In the case JB1969 is referring too she walked out leave Alistairs looking like a plum in a empty house/flat and then text to say her brother and dad were popping in for a visit.

[vorian]

V as Alistairs stated he has never been threatened by a man. he does not deny he has been blackmailed into submission by a prossie and her pimp interestingly.

CBPaul - In the case JB1969 is referring too she walked out leave Alistairs looking like a plum in a empty house/flat and then text to say her brother and dad were popping in for a visit.

You are more generous than me CB,  I doubt very much he has been blackmailed,  just given a sob story and a promise of a free punt. That would be fine if she hadn't threatened him with the police,  a failed attempt to get Admin to remove the warning to other punters puts him down as a lowlife in my book who is happy for the next punter to get robbed and scammed.

[CBPaul]

I haven't been done on this sort of scale yet when using AW prossies, the odd B&S which I've walked away from, no shows when I get to the venue and disorganised tarts cancelling bookings when I'm on-route is all I've suffered. I am very choosy when opting for a profile so perhaps I've managed to minimise my chances of being done, no doubt missed out on some good ones though, all about the level of risk you are willing to take though.

Don't know what I would do in the situation, most likely find the easiest and quickest way out and be mighty pissed off at the loss of punting funds. Better that than having to explain away injuries later in the day, anonymity is key to me. Any dodgy ones I report here and have flagged them up on AW- bugger all done by AW though I would guess. I like the idea of posting leaflets.

I would also contact the local paper, they are always short of anything interesting to print and would love a juicy story about the knocking shop in twat street filled with crack heads and gangster pimps. Oh think of the innocent kids playing outside in the street and old Mrs Crusty next door whilst the perverts are fucking the poor girls every which way.........

In my younger days I got scammed by a couple of street girls, I saw one out a good few times afterwards and a couple  of times stopped to tell the bloke about to pick her up exactly what she got up to. The tirade of abuse that followed  Another one gave no service what so ever for 40 quid and then went to call her dealer from a phone box, stupid tart left her bag in the car so I helped myself to a full refund, threw the bag out of the window and went. She was shouting something about the money being Charlie's or something   

[cockneybstrd]

You are more generous than me CB,  I doubt very much he has been blackmailed,  just given a sob story and a promise of a free punt. That would be fine if she hadn't threatened him with the police,  a failed attempt to get Admin to remove the warning to other punters puts him down as a lowlife in my book who is happy for the next punter to get robbed and scammed.

V no one would be retarded enough to fall for the free punt after the text exchange they had where she told him trying to buy sex was a criminal offence. There was no sob story big enough surely after what she pulled. That was the work of cool calm pro$$ie not someone having a emotional breakdown. I am pretty sure she would have snorted/smoked his cash that day was expecting to move on to the next mark. But his review put a stop to that

I was trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. But as you say to try and get the review removed is not cricket. The ethos behind the site is to exchange honest information for the benefit of the punter and Alistairs is not playing along on that front

[CBPaul]

V as Alistairs stated he has never been threatened by a man. he does not deny he has been blackmailed into submission by a prossie and her pimp interestingly.

CBPaul - In the case JB1969 is referring too she walked out leave Alistairs looking like a plum in a empty house/flat and then text to say her brother and dad were popping in for a visit.

Ah, that had passed me by - need to read more carefully. In that case go ahead and find what you can. Prawns are better than tuna BTW, they go off quicker and smell more. Problem is the only crustaceans in a prossie flat are likely to be on the mattress already and not the frozen shell fish variety in the freezer.

This is exactly what happened to me years ago, street girl, back to her place, handed over money, she went to 'toilet' and jumped out of the living room window hoping that I was going to be stark bollock naked waiting for her when her male friend arrived home 2 minutes later. Sussed I'd been done, didn't undress but too late to catch up with her. I was a pratt and learned a hard lesson quickly.

[yorkshire123]

Fight or flight is a very difficult decision to make outside of a real event. Just look at your typical football hooligan from the 70/80's, brave with his mates around him but a wimp on his own.

I still stick to my original post that i would walk away, I doubt there are many occasions when the prossie actually scams you & hangs around for you to confront them, however if it was a pimp related incident who knows?

Im not sure if it is age related, 20 years ago my outlook would be different but maybe i have too much to lose now to get involved in a possible police incident.

Revenge is a different matter, that would be a given in some form or other.

[gorge]

oh my. I have a blue belt in bjj and do a few boxing lessons. i Would fight to the death

Why? that's just stupidity - And with that attitude if you come across a professional he would make mincemeat out of you. All the martial arts and boxing etc are not designed and not good for normal day to day situations - yes, they are better then nothing .. but not compared to someone who is trained to deal with them situations.

[Ben4454]

Never been ripped off before. I put it down to never punting with new members \ plenty of research and casing the area\girl on the phone. If i get a bad vibe I walk. I also look out for guys sitting in cars watching the apartment. Walked on a few occasions with a few brutes hanging outside a WGs house. Although this thread has prompted me to put a few more security measures in place.  - For anyone who gets ripped off do not engage them with violence out of pride these types of people are desperate for money and usually are carrying a weapon.

[hendrix]

I'd write it off. I've been pretty lucky overall given how long I've been doing this. The daftest one was actually a regular some years ago..I'd been seeing her at least once a week for around a year at £180 - she was fit and dirty, right up my street. Then she came round to mine once and for the first time ever asked for the money in advance..at which point I knew something was off..and then gave me the old shit about "I need to give this to my "sister" in the car outside"...and she looked so pathetic and scared that I actually let her get away with it. So, she loses a valuable customer all for £180.  She actually called me later and apologised and said her new "boyfriend" made her do it and she'd make it up to me with freebies etc..I told her to fuck off. Politely

[smiths]

Never been ripped off before. I put it down to never punting with new members \ plenty of research and casing the area\girl on the phone. If i get a bad vibe I walk. I also look out for guys sitting in cars watching the apartment. Walked on a few occasions with a few brutes hanging outside a WGs house. Although this thread has prompted me to put a few more security measures in place.  - For anyone who gets ripped off do not engage them with violence out of pride these types of people are desperate for money and usually are carrying a weapon.

Glad to hear the thread has prompted you to put some more security measures in place. Good advice regarding violence. IMO its not smart to engage in it except in self defence, apart from not knowing who a low life might have in or around the premises you could also get done over and/or nicked potentially.

Far better to post about it on here and if that determined inform the neighbours and/or landlord. Not something i have done myself though, perhaps i will if i get fucked over again.

[cockneybstrd]

On a lighter note here is Sadgit dealing with his latest Bait and Switch disaster this time in Newcastle

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[punk]

Probably not a good idea to take these people on, you might have to fight a Bulgarian gangster like this ------- unless you like hospital food.

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because of his looks your shit scared of him?

[punk]

grass the fuckers up tip off the old bill, that you think there are trafficked women, their soon get over there.

[Jimmyredcab]

If a girl ever pulled a move on me like she did to Alistair I would have taken her television, no doubt she would have had a flat screen television.  Or at least put a hole through the thing, pissed on her mattress or gone through her cupbards and found a tin of tuna and stuffed it into her matress where she could not find it. 

Winston my have stopped you doing any of that.     

[cockneybstrd]

I personally would be more wary of 'Sergi' than 'Winston'.

[wristjob]

Similar happened to me in a Clip Joint in Soho in the 80s although i wasnt aware it was such a place when i went in. Asked to cough up £50 per drink for a hostess to which i refused. In the end fortunately i was able to push my way out. I saw this was still going on in a police documentary about 10 years or so ago, in that the low lifes got done.

Same here. I had a massive sports bag with me with about £250 in so it made me awkward and didn't want them to know that. Some woman stood between me and the door blocking me going on about how she was pregnant so i couldn't touch her . I spent about 10 minutes stealing inches towards the door then 2 guys (new suckers) came down the stairs and I was bundled out

[wristjob]

Generally avoid any aggro at the location whatever happened. "Revenge" isn't great if it sees you getting a  jail term or beaten the crap out of. Their place - it's always going to be easier to blame you too.

Certainly a bad report on here then get a new sim and give her a ton of aggro of 1 kind or another.

[punk]

or come back with some mates who like violence and watch the cunts shit themselves 

[Jimmyredcab]

or come back with some mates who like violence and watch the cunts shit themselves 

I love all this gangster bullshit.     

[punk]

I love all this gangster bullshit.     

 

there is a lot of bullshit.

[CatBBW]

Very similar happened to myself and a couple of mates in Soho, we were in our early 20's and it was our first trip there. Got tricked into a lap dancing type bar and then asked to pay £100 for a waitresses drink. Told to fuck off and then two heavies appeared. We ended up paying almost £80 to get out. Bastards!!!

That happened to a friend of mine, he went to Soho looking for a punt and ended up being shafted for a hefty sum just to leave the club in one piece!