Reasons an SP would know about UKP

[daviemac]

I thought WG's on here had to go by their working name, as per the rules?

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This site allows service providers to be members, but there is zero-tolerance for touting, flirting, attention-seeking and negative attitude towards punters. Service providers must respect the ethos of the site. This site is not a chat platform between clients and service providers, nor is it a support site for service providers. All service providers / non-punters must reveal their working identities - no 'anonymous WGs'.

She has.   

[stevedave]

Fair do's.

[JontyR]

I don't understand why you would ask an SP if you could write a review? Would you ask at a hotel if they were happy for you to write a review? Or a restaurant, a builder etc?

Not if they were a chain supplier, but if they were independent then yes, I probably would.

I was once asked on here would I ask in a restaurant whether the tips went to the staff - because it wasn't any of my business, well actually yes I do.

Anyone providing ANY service should work on the assumption that their services will be rated, graded, reviewed etc.

Yep, agree with this. I did say that I only mentioned it in the last knockings when no further services were to be delivered.

Many years ago I had a job where I used to provide some extra non-advertised services to certain customers. This was generally where I liked the individuals concerned and not for the cash.  One asked if they could pass my number to certain of their friends. I asked them politely not to because I wanted to be in charge of who I was dealing with.

[LLPunting]

...
In analysing the 7% the intel I have drawn is this.

The Danger Zone SP Characteristics

⁃ All four English was either their mother tongue or near fluent.
⁃ Profiles were generally well written so no P&D type SP
⁃ Reasonably educated and/or can hold good/interesting conversation during the punt on various topics.
⁃ Likely be aware of UKP and be internet savvy with natural research skills, may even join or have enlisted a fanboy to spy on their behalf.

Conclusion

On my part this leads me to review my own reporting style when I return to punting.

- Carry on reviewing as I do but leave a longer gap between punt and review. This, to me, will only improve my anonymity slightly within the 6 month rule but an improvement is an improvement.
- Change my review style completely and just give the basic facts.
- If they fit into the danger zone above simply do not review at all; possibly comment on an existing review and if members want more intel, they can PM me.
- It is clear to me in my small sample most WGs despise being reviewed on UKP even if the review is positive.

Trust you chaps find this useful.

Thanks for your intriguing insight.   

So UKP is the only site you've contributed reviews to during your punting career?

Way before UKP I occasionally reviewed on PN (early noughties) and C69 (before 2000  ), I avoid any SPs who seem to be averse to reviews because I found early on it doesn't bode well for their approach to services, pricing, attitude and/or discretion.

Only since reviewing on UKP have I been challenged over reviews/comments; 2 parlours, both for reviewing at all, both of which I continue to use and update UKP about anyway; 2 escorts, both positives, who didn't want the publicity because it created a load more grief from shitty punters; 1 management asked me to stop posting negs and I told them their reputation with punters was more important than keeping shitty SPs, they couldn't counter that so never objected again.

I have had a few other escorts mention UKP unprompted; 1 thought a review of her "friend" was by me (it was, I feigned ignorance); 1 just wanted to show me UKP and complain (I subsequently reviewed her poor performance and attitude as a neg); 1 thought I had mentioned her, I couldn't deny it because the deets were too specific, she was already a regular and we continued seeing each other.

I review negs within a day or two, often same day.  Positives mostly within a week and I may have already repeated.

[Palomaxxxxxx]

Very deep analysis. I just googled my username and posts from ukp were the first google result

[LLPunting]

Yours is totally lost on me and I’m 100% British 

It's hardly that cryptic, well until the Terence bit perhaps.

What's his handle?   
What did he complain about?
In the vein of online acronyms what could TL:DNTR be in the context of his complaint and my reply?

[Rochelle]

It's hardly that cryptic, well until the Terence bit perhaps.

What's his handle?   
What did he complain about?
In the vein of online acronyms what could TL:DNTR be in the context of his complaint and my reply?

I'm assuming it means the same as TL;DR. That's how it's usually written.

[LLPunting]

I'm assuming it means the same as TL;DR. That's how it's usually written.

Nope, the extra letters are intentional given the context of my reply.

[Rochelle]

Nope, the extra letters are intentional given the context of my reply.

I also have no clue what you were saying.

[MissWolf]

I also have no clue what you were saying.

+1

[LLPunting]

I also have no clue what you were saying.

If you already understand something that's been written down you don't xxxx xx read it (again).

(Yes having big tits and a reputed tasty puss will get you more indulgence from a patronising old git)((said git published this for the rest of you because he's actually a big softie, as the subsequent edits prove even more, like a stripper revealing a little more each time))

[Rochelle]

Hardly surprising for someone from your state.

If you already understand the rationale of this site and the behaviour that is conducive to its success then TL:DNTR.  If however you are clueless as to why SPs should not connect you to this site then perhaps cousin Terence from New York can read to you out loud over the telephone and then explain.  RK may be CT or maybe not 

A bunch of us don't understand this post. Are we all thick? Maybe you should just write it more clearly? Come on, dude.

[Rochelle]

If you already understand something that's been written down you don't xxxx xx read it (again).

(Yes having big tits and a reputed tasty puss will get you more indulgence from a patronising old git)((said git published this for the rest of you because he's actually a big softie, as the subsequent edits prove even more, like a stripper revealing a little more each time))

Don't need to read? Bloody hell, would have been easier just to say so from the beginning.

[nike]

@ Jerkchicken, how did they know it was u that reviewed them?

[Fuggedaboutit]

While I completely understand that delaying a review helps maintain anonymity, there are times when a punt/SP was so bad that you’d want to get on here as soon as possible to warn others (particularly with touring SPs)...

[RedKettle]

While I completely understand that delaying a review helps maintain anonymity, there are times when a punt/SP was so bad that you’d want to get on here as soon as possible to warn others (particularly with touring SPs)...

If you are leaving a negative presumably you are not going back so for some punters less of an issue if they link you to the review - so long as you have the basics covered such as using a punting phone.

[Fuggedaboutit]

If you are leaving a negative presumably you are not going back so for some punters less of an issue if they link you to the review - so long as you have the basics covered such as using a punting phone.

Oh sure, I get that. However, 3 of the girls (Polish) I've reviewed have all worked from the same flat, so even though they appear independent might be part of a group - so, you know if you leave a negative review for one  and then want to see another, that might be an issue...

[LLPunting]

Oh sure, I get that. However, 3 of the girls (Polish) I've reviewed have all worked from the same flat, so even though they appear independent might be part of a group - so, you know if you leave a negative review for one  and then want to see another, that might be an issue...

It is totally possible to review a girl without giving yourself away unless you insist on detailing every unique or recognisable action, word, object or item of clothing specific to the event.  Likewise no need to declare the day or week it happened just say "recently" or "in the past month"... etc.

[southcoastpunter]

It is totally possible to review a girl without giving yourself away unless you insist on detailing every unique or recognisable action, word, object or item of clothing specific to the event.  Likewise no need to declare the day or week it happened just say "recently" or "in the past month"... etc.

or if you really feel incomfortable with just being honest then put in a little bit of "false" information to throw her off your scent like "about a month ago" when actually it was the day before yesterday. (but obviously keeping all the important to UKP members info 100% correct.)

I find it very strange that grown men (some of which are real keyborad warriors when it comes to other UKP members) have issues with being identified by a WG that they are not going to see again! And after all, that "identification" is only AW to UKP and niot to any real life information.

[tynetunnel]

It's hardly that cryptic, well until the Terence bit perhaps.

What's his handle?   
What did he complain about?
In the vein of online acronyms what could TL:DNTR be in the context of his complaint and my reply?

No idea and I can’t be arsed to try to figure it all out 

[Fuggedaboutit]

I find it very strange that grown men (some of which are real keyborad warriors when it comes to other UKP members) have issues with being identified by a WG that they are not going to see again! And after all, that "identification" is only AW to UKP and niot to any real life information.

Yes, but if the WG is a vindictive nutter (it happens...) and they link your AW identity with your UKP identity, then they can make up all sorts of shit about you, send abusive texts (sort of ok if you have punting phone, but still not nice..), make unfounded allegations on SAAFE, etc, etc....

[timsussex]

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I find it very strange that grown men (some of which are real keyborad warriors when it comes to other UKP members) have issues with being identified by a WG that they are not going to see again! And after all, that "identification" is only AW to UKP and niot to any real life information.

exactly - just grow a pair !

 I  would assume that most independent WGs read this site  - wouldn't you want to see what's being written about you ?

One WG wrote on her AW blog that she had seen my review on what she called "that site " and commented on the only negative thing in the review.

 

[daviemac]

I find it very strange that grown men (some of which are real keyborad warriors when it comes to other UKP members) have issues with being identified by a WG that they are not going to see again! And after all, that "identification" is only AW to UKP and niot to any real life information.

I know of at least one UKP member who has had malicious untrue reports made about him on the likes of SAAFE and even uglymugs and that causes major problems when trying to get bookings.

[Fuggedaboutit]

I know of at least one UKP member who has had malicious untrue reports made about him on the likes of SAAFE and even uglymugs and that causes major problems when trying to get bookings.

Exactly this ^^^^^^

[LLPunting]

I know of at least one UKP member who has had malicious untrue reports made about him on the likes of SAAFE and even uglymugs and that causes major problems when trying to get bookings.

So his real life identity was not only known by the SP but his photo and real life contact details were posted on SAAFE?  Did he give up his identity or was it stolen/figured out by the SP?

[LLPunting]

Yes, but if the WG is a vindictive nutter (it happens...) and they link your AW identity with your UKP identity, then they can make up all sorts of shit about you, send abusive texts (sort of ok if you have punting phone, but still not nice..), make unfounded allegations on SAAFE, etc, etc....

Get a new AW login and a new punting phone!
You are meant to have a punting alias, any fool who punts with his real life identity is asking to be outed.

[daviemac]

So his real life identity was not only known by the SP but his photo and real life contact details were posted on SAAFE?  Did he give up his identity or was it stolen/figured out by the SP?

No I didn't say that.

[Fuggedaboutit]

Get a new AW login and a new punting phone!
You are meant to have a punting alias, any fool who punts with his real life identity is asking to be outed.

This was with punting phone and separate AW and UKP aliases....plus, new AW alias means you won't have positive feedback.

Don't worry, I know all the tricks, but I don't think you're quite grasping quite how batshit crazy some WGs can be. Not all of them, of course, but there are some nutcases out there.

[gbyld87]

In my experience, a number of SPs have their little spies on here that let them know whenever anyone leaves a review or discusses them.  Don't know whether it's to endear themselves to the lady or if they genuinely feel involved with them enough to have a stake in their reputation 

[Bogof60]

In my experience, a number of SPs have their little spies on here that let them know whenever anyone leaves a review or discusses them.  Don't know whether it's to endear themselves to the lady or if they genuinely feel involved with them enough to have a stake in their reputation 

This

[Hobbit]

In my experience, a number of SPs have their little spies on here that let them know whenever anyone leaves a review or discusses them.  Don't know whether it's to endear themselves to the lady or if they genuinely feel involved with them enough to have a stake in their reputation 

They probably get offered extra benefits and I don't mean a company car. 

[smiths]

I never say I’m on UKP or even mention this site, if I want to review I will be that good or bad.

I don’t really care if I upset her if it’s a negative hopefully she can up her game and deliver a decent service to the next punter 

And same nowadays for me which has been for many years now. IMO its even more important IF you care about it not to mention you post on UKP as there are more low lifes about than ever now in my observations and experiences.

I don't review for WGs and ALL my negative punts will get neg reviews on here, a bad low life WG and/or her pimp scumbag wont scare me off warning other punters.

[LLPunting]

This was with punting phone and separate AW and UKP aliases....plus, new AW alias means you won't have positive feedback.

Don't worry, I know all the tricks, but I don't think you're quite grasping quite how batshit crazy some WGs can be. Not all of them, of course, but there are some nutcases out there.

Right, so apart from burning your AW feedback, what else is really a disaster, a few quid on a SIM?
It's nothing to do with how batshit crazy the SP is, it's how batshit crazy the punter is being so attached to his feedback.
There are plenty of SPs in AW, agencies and elsewhere who do not require AW feedback.
I don't need to grasp at anything, the punter insisting on grasping his punting past is creating the problem that the batshit SP can exploit.

If you're treasuring the nice words you write about SPs and the "gratitude" and "flirting" they write back on AW then you're a prime candidate for EAS.  These are women you pay for sex not relationships, if you do become "friends" and both have to hide your punting history from real life then why have it written down to need to hide it, just both remember it and reminisce together or create a whole other "reality" of a presentable relationship that you can be public with.

[GorillaWarfare]

Most girls probably do just find this with a google search. In fairness, this forum isn't too hard to find.

I've seen three girls who definitely know about the site, all from AW. All three I gave positives to.

Girl 1: Is very well reviewed on here (100% positives) and commented on my review of her. Was alright on my review but got herself banned from here in an argument on someone else's review of her after I saw her.
Girl 2: Is also 100% positively reviewed, is a member of the site and hasn't been banned. Very much plan to revisit sometime.
Girl 3: Is quite well reviewed, mostly positive but a few neutral and a negative. Isn't a member as far as I know but read my review on her. Was going to re-book but she didn't take kindly to my review despite it being positive.

[LLPunting]

No I didn't say that.

Perhaps you could explain what "permanent" details about him were passed around such that he couldn't make bookings with those that reference SAAFE, Ugly Mugs et al, before confirming and hosting a booking?  We could all then take better precautions.

[Rochelle]

Perhaps you could explain what "permanent" details about him were passed around such that he couldn't make bookings with those that reference SAAFE, Ugly Mugs et al, before confirming and hosting a booking?  We could all then take better precautions.

I would think a new number would sort that, wouldn't it?

[daviemac]

Perhaps you could explain what "permanent" details about him were passed around such that he couldn't make bookings with those that reference SAAFE, Ugly Mugs et al, before confirming and hosting a booking?  We could all then take better precautions.

Not up to me to give details of something that happened to another member, the statement I made about an escort making false allegations against him and it caused him problems is true, he may or may not wish to elaborate himself but that is his choice.

The point of me mentioning it is, contrary to some people's opinion, some escorts can and do cause punters grief and as a result of that it is quite acceptable to make sure anonymity is maintained.

[timsussex]

i  also know from time as a mod on another site of  a punter who had their reputation trashed by false allegations by a WG  who actually had a bt of a poor reputation herself Several WGs came forward to say he mght be a  bit  pushy and a bit of a pain but they couldn't believe the serous allegations made. One WG even wrote to SAFE to dispute the report but to no avail
Eventually he gave up and reinvented himself and rebuilt a decent reputation

[Fuggedaboutit]

If you're treasuring the nice words you write about SPs and the "gratitude" and "flirting" they write back on AW then you're a prime candidate for EAS.  These are women you pay for sex not relationships, if you do become "friends" and both have to hide your punting history from real life then why have it written down to need to hide it, just both remember it and reminisce together or create a whole other "reality" of a presentable relationship that you can be public with.

Not what I was suggesting at all...I've been punting for 34 years on/off, so I think I've got it sorted by now 

What I was trying to point out was the whole bloody incovenience associated with it as a concept in general, not my personal experience; just because you find it easy to sort stuff out, doesn't mean everyone does; paying/organising a new sim could be difficult - e.g. new SIM arriving by post and queried by nosey partner (and yes, I know you can get a SIM by walking into a shop....). Plus that sort of thing could be highly distressing to less experienced punters.

Anyway, I've never let on to a WG that I know this site exists, and I think we're all agreed that that's exactly how it should be

[Fuggedaboutit]

To clarify, what I mean is my experience was a minor inconvenience to me, but could be more of a pain in the arse for others....

[sparkus]

Good thread idea.  OP knows my views on this.

I've stood there cool as could be when confronted with questions about this site, all of which have happened in massage shops which have had problems with neighbours of various kinds and tried to find the 'source' of their wank and tell reviews on here.  One, who I've not seen in years now, asked "Are you who's been writing all that rubbish about me on the internet?!"

[LLPunting]

I would think a new number would sort that, wouldn't it?

Dispassionate sense is trumped by emotional attachment it would appear.  All of us in our lives have to let things go when events conspire to cause us grief or significant distraction/deviation from our previous path...

[LLPunting]

Not up to me to give details of something that happened to another member, the statement I made about an escort making false allegations against him and it caused him problems is true, he may or may not wish to elaborate himself but that is his choice.

The point of me mentioning it is, contrary to some people's opinion, some escorts can and do cause punters grief and as a result of that it is quite acceptable to make sure anonymity is maintained.

Fair 'nuff on discretion if the material is too specific.     Here's hoping he'll share the wisdom.

[LLPunting]

i  also know from time as a mod on another site of  a punter who had their reputation trashed by false allegations by a WG  who actually had a bt of a poor reputation herself Several WGs came forward to say he mght be a  bit  pushy and a bit of a pain but they couldn't believe the serous allegations made. One WG even wrote to SAFE to dispute the report but to no avail
Eventually he gave up and reinvented himself and rebuilt a decent reputation

Thanks, that makes my point, if the punter isn't (as) guilty as made out then he can get past the period of anger and frustration at the unjust shitstorm and move on (to better things) with a new anonymity.

[sparkus]

As has been mentioned in another thread recently, the London Asian masseusse community is remarkably tight knit and shares intel (on abusive customers/timewasters) via Whatsapp etc.

No one's going to cop a free OWO from Tina by spilling the beans on here.

[LLPunting]

Not what I was suggesting at all...I've been punting for 34 years on/off, so I think I've got it sorted by now 

What I was trying to point out was the whole bloody incovenience associated with it as a concept in general, not my personal experience; just because you find it easy to sort stuff out, doesn't mean everyone does; paying/organising a new sim could be difficult - e.g. new SIM arriving by post and queried by nosey partner (and yes, I know you can get a SIM by walking into a shop....). Plus that sort of thing could be highly distressing to less experienced punters.

Anyway, I've never let on to a WG that I know this site exists, and I think we're all agreed that that's exactly how it should be

You've got maybe 10 years on me in this hobby so we've both had plenty of time to go through all the trials and tribulations of paying different women for sex and what each encounter might bring to us beyond just the act, enough war stories to line the walls of a good sized pub. 

Perhaps a SIM isn't the best example, since "good practice" advanced multiple times in just recent years has been your punting number should never be considered permanent.  It is one of the first things to be discarded if you suspect your safety has been compromised.
And, again as has often been described (currently multiple new threads discussing this), you can pick up a PAYG SIM in most any large town and every city or out of town shopping mall.  No mail delivery (if you don't have pick-up service points a la Amazon), no registration needed, no contract, just top-up when you need to subject to a fairly trivial moment of use every so often to keep the line active.

If a punter is going to wet themselves over changing a secret phone number then they probably aren't resilient enough to punt...

[LLPunting]

Good thread idea.  OP knows my views on this.

I've stood there cool as could be when confronted with questions about this site, all of which have happened in massage shops which have had problems with neighbours of various kinds and tried to find the 'source' of their wank and tell reviews on here.  One, who I've not seen in years now, asked "Are you who's been writing all that rubbish about me on the internet?!"

"Me dear?  Don't be silly!  Now get your knickers off and unwrap those chebs if you want my tongue and money."

[sparkus]

"Me dear?  Don't be silly!  Now get your knickers off and unwrap those chebs if you want my tongue and money."

Not far off

[Bebebelle]

I found this site from it being mentioned on another site , when I was fairly new to escorting. I used it mainly for my own research really. Reading the reviews and threads gave me an insight into the mind of some clients. It probably helped me in a way to offer the services that most guys were looking for.  Reading some of the bad reviews makes you realise how bad some SP’s are and why those minority give the good SP’s a bad name. I can fully understand if a client asks me to clarify if my likes are actually offered in the bookings and if they are included in the price. I know I’ve written it on my profile but if a potential client has been let down before and paid decent money to only then be told during the booking that he can’t have kissing or CIM etc then he’s perfectly entitled to want to ask about these things in future bookings.
I don’t mind being reviewed and if there was a negative review, I would be looking to improve my services if I get called out on something.  It is an odd feeling perhaps reading something that is written harshly or feels unfair, and that works both ways of course but ultimately this site is for punters to be able to give their account on a service that they have paid for.  As long as he hasn’t told any outright lies or given information that may be a safety issue then I welcome reviews. If an SP works hard at looking after her clients then she should have nothing to fear, in fact quite to the contrary, it will in fact bring her extra work as a review on here can double her profile hits easily.
I have had one client who asked me if I knew I was on UKP. I acted like I’d never heard of it as I didn’t want to get into that conversation but he was keen to try and tell me about a review but I just made out I wasn’t interested so he dropped the subject. Not sure if he was an active member or not. I’ve also had a couple of clients who ask leading questions that sounds like the info needed to write a detailed review.
I wouldn’t refuse to see a member here but he wouldn’t get a better service because he was on here, he will get the same service that other clients get.

[stevedave]

I found this site from it being mentioned on another site , when I was fairly new to escorting. I used it mainly for my own research really. Reading the reviews and threads gave me an insight into the mind of some clients. It probably helped me in a way to offer the services that most guys were looking for.  Reading some of the bad reviews makes you realise how bad some SP’s are and why those minority give the good SP’s a bad name. I can fully understand if a client asks me to clarify if my likes are actually offered in the bookings and if they are included in the price. I know I’ve written it on my profile but if a potential client has been let down before and paid decent money to only then be told during the booking that he can’t have kissing or CIM etc then he’s perfectly entitled to want to ask about these things in future bookings.
I don’t mind being reviewed and if there was a negative review, I would be looking to improve my services if I get called out on something.  It is an odd feeling perhaps reading something that is written harshly or feels unfair, and that works both ways of course but ultimately this site is for punters to be able to give their account on a service that they have paid for.  As long as he hasn’t told any outright lies or given information that may be a safety issue then I welcome reviews. If an SP works hard at looking after her clients then she should have nothing to fear, in fact quite to the contrary, it will in fact bring her extra work as a review on here can double her profile hits easily.
I have had one client who asked me if I knew I was on UKP. I acted like I’d never heard of it as I didn’t want to get into that conversation but he was keen to try and tell me about a review but I just made out I wasn’t interested so he dropped the subject. Not sure if he was an active member or not. I’ve also had a couple of clients who ask leading questions that sounds like the info needed to write a detailed review.
I wouldn’t refuse to see a member here but he wouldn’t get a better service because he was on here, he will get the same service that other clients get.

Hmm, you won't last long on here with your common sense and rational thinking. This won't do at all