Three people arrested for human trafficking, Glasgow & Edinburgh

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Oh for crying out bloody loud!  It’s really very fucking simple...

Trafficking = illegal

Kerb Crawling = illegal

Brothel keeping = illegal

Pimping = illegal

Punting = L E G A L

Ah, there you go again, trying to use facts to argue against someone's opinion. It'll never catch on. 

[scutty brown]

Quite sure you would be charged with whatever the equivalent is of shagging somebody without their consent (whatever it's called legally, if it's not rape), and I don't see how you could keep your name out of the papers either. There was Glasgow councillor a few years ago splattered all over the red top tabloids just for cruising the drag.

Sex with a trafficking victim is a standalone strict liability crime to which there is no defence. Not knowing he girl is trafficked is not a get-out: you are expected to find out.
There haven't  been many prosecutions so far, but there are signs that may change soon.  Just before christmas there was a gang busted in East Lancs and according to the press reports the police called or texted every contact on the confiscated phones, inviting them to a conversation
Easy to see where that could be heading

[Joey4141]

You must be in bliss you are so ignorant.

Funny how the only name you miss spell is the Humza Yousaf the Muslim MSP of Asian decent, think you are funny?

I copied and pasted from Google... from the list of those that are pushing to change the law.  So, no... do you think you are funny?  Simply telling you that these people are wanting the laws changed.

[scutty brown]

Scottish law is different than English law so “ Strict liability” may not be in effect in Scotland, not sure.

It is

[Joey4141]

Couldn't modify, not getting into a debate... i know where you were going David1970 - just wrong.  Anyway, i know what I vote for, and it's only a matter of time before we have the Nordic model.

[Falkirk GND]

It is

I beg to differ, but you may be right. Care to educate us and quote the relevant legislation?

[David1970]

Couldn't modify, not getting into a debate... i know where you were going David1970 - just wrong.  Anyway, i know what I vote for, and it's only a matter of time before we have the Nordic model.

What am I doing?

[scutty brown]

I beg to differ, but you may be right. Care to educate us and quote the relevant legislation?

To be honest I'm tired and really can''t be botherd to go through it all again.....this is another topic that blows up on a regular cycle

[J_H]

Scottish law is different than English law so “ Strict liability” may not be in effect in Scotland, not sure.

That's the phrase I was looking for, meaning ignorance is no defence.

Assumed it would the same up here, but don't know.

Over the piece, this sort of story will only give succour to the people who want to criminalise our 'hobby'.

[J_H]

(...digs out old Marx Bros DVDs for an evening's entertainment...)

I got 'em all!

[J_H]

It's not the point, and, ignorance really is bliss.  It has happened, and google, even shows some link of punters arrested on suspicion of trafficking etc etc including kerb crawlers.  Has any been charged for "rape" not that I'm aware of but I do know punters have been arrested.  I also know, MSPs, are pushing for a change in the law - name and shame as well as placed on the sex register - plenty of articles.  Kenny MacAskill, Humza Yousafsince, Ash Denham, John Mason, Jean Urquhart, Philippa Whitford.... and more, have been working on it.  Truth is, some of you are likely voting for people who are pushing to criminalise you.

Truth is, you can fuck right off with your political bias, your racist rendering of Yousaf's name, as well as the rest of the inane drivel you spout.

There are plenty more across the whole spectrum than those 6 who are trying to criminalise it. You failed to mention: Rhoda Grant (convener) Labour, Annie Wells Tory,
Jeremy Balfour Tory, Johann Lamont Labour - who are all members of the same working group.

[Falkirk GND]

To be honest I'm tired and really can''t be botherd to go through it all again.....this is another topic that blows up on a regular cycle

In other words “to be honest, I haven’t a fucking clue what I’m talking about, so I’ll just pretend I’m too tired to go through it all again, because I’m talking pish”

[Falkirk GND]

Ah, there you go again, trying to use facts to argue against someone's opinion. It'll never catch on. 

How right you are NNF.  I shall stop now. 

[Joey4141]

Truth is, you can fuck right off with your political bias, your racist rendering of Yousaf's name, as well as the rest of the inane drivel you spout.

There are plenty more across the whole spectrum than those 6 who are trying to criminalise it. You failed to mention: Rhoda Grant (convener) Labour, Annie Wells Tory,
Jeremy Balfour Tory, Johann Lamont Labour - who are all members of the same working group.

Explain yourself.  Racist?  That is where i was going with David.  What, misspelling makes me a racist?  Because I copied his name and had "since" after it?  That is racist?  Unbelievable, seriously.  If it was racist, i'd be banned... nothing racist in what I said.  Political drivel, politically motivated!  And if you bloody read my post, it said many more... it's not just SNP, that is our government, and it is pushing for a nordic model!

To be honest, lost the respect I had for you... even though many on here have an issue with different tastes!

[Joey4141]

In other words “to be honest, I haven’t a fucking clue what I’m talking about, so I’ll just pretend I’m too tired to go through it all again, because I’m talking pish”

You could say that... but Strict Liability isn't here yet but should I go there... groups are pushing for it "we're 30 years behind" are the words of many of these groups from Football to Cyclists. A few MSP#s have consultations in regards to Strict Liability raised by these groups.

[J_H]

Explain yourself.  Racist?  That is where i was going with David.  What, misspelling makes me a racist?  Because I copied his name and had "since" after it?  That is racist?  Unbelievable, seriously.  If it was racist, i'd be banned... nothing racist in what I said.  Political drivel, politically motivated!  And if you bloody read my post, it said many more... it's not just SNP, that is our government, and it is pushing for a nordic model!

To be honest, lost the respect I had for you... even though many on here have an issue with different tastes!

Funny how in only named certain individuals but NOT the convenor of the group. Funny peculiar.

Still, I never had any respect for you, reading the shite that you write.

[Joey4141]

Funny how in only named certain individuals but NOT the convenor of the group. Funny peculiar.

Still, I never had any respect for you, reading the shite that you write.

It is not funny... because that was in order from the paper online, where there names are... and many more, from many sources, online.  To call me racist on such trivial shit, is totally uncalled for.  But, the fact of the matter is, our government, that is not the tories, or the labour but the SNP. With the conferences and such, are pushing for a nordic model.  Do members of other parties support the nordic model, yes... but the party moving with it, is the SNP and many of it's representatives with support from members of other parties - as I said, it's a matter of time, not if, until we have it.  However, are you brave enough to write to your local representatives and tell them your not in favour of such a bill? Convince many more to do just that as well?  Thought not.  Don't be alarmed, I do, actively, keep them informed of my opinion just as I do with their consultations.

Respect for me?  I don't see how my one review could get it and even so, not interested in it now as you just throw accusations around like that on what basis?  Nothing.  Perhaps I hit a nerve as you must be a flamboyant SNP member.  To point it out, it was no aim to one party but just me copying and pasting names from a list of names that theown their support behind the nordic model and having people like us, criminalised.

[J_H]

It is not funny... because that was in order from the paper online, where there names are... and many more, from many sources, online.  To call me racist on such trivial shit, is totally uncalled for.  But, the fact of the matter is, our government, that is not the tories, or the labour but the SNP. With the conferences and such, are pushing for a nordic model.  Do members of other parties support the nordic model, yes... but the party moving with it, is the SNP and many of it's representatives with support from members of other parties - as I said, it's a matter of time, not if, until we have it.  However, are you brave enough to write to your local representatives and tell them your not in favour of such a bill? Convince many more to do just that as well?  Thought not.  Don't be alarmed, I do, actively, keep them informed of my opinion just as I do with their consultations.

Respect for me?  I don't see how my one review could get it and even so, not interested in it now as you just throw accusations around like that on what basis?  Nothing.  Perhaps I hit a nerve as you must be a flamboyant SNP member.  To point it out, it was no aim to one party but just me copying and pasting names from a list of names that theown their support behind the nordic model and having people like us, criminalised.

Never have been, am not, and never ever will be: now fuck off.

[CoolTiger]

Never have been, am not, and never ever will be: now fuck off.

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[Joey4141]

Never have been, am not, and never ever will be: now fuck off.

How about taken back the accusation of racism, eh? that is what started this... and don't expect me to just sit there and take it!

[David1970]

It is not funny... because that was in order from the paper online, where there names are... and many more, from many sources, online.  To call me racist on such trivial shit, is totally uncalled for.  But, the fact of the matter is, our government, that is not the tories, or the labour but the SNP. With the conferences and such, are pushing for a nordic model.  Do members of other parties support the nordic model, yes... but the party moving with it, is the SNP and many of it's representatives with support from members of other parties - as I said, it's a matter of time, not if, until we have it.  However, are you brave enough to write to your local representatives and tell them your not in favour of such a bill? Convince many more to do just that as well?  Thought not.  Don't be alarmed, I do, actively, keep them informed of my opinion just as I do with their consultations.

Respect for me?  I don't see how my one review could get it and even so, not interested in it now as you just throw accusations around like that on what basis?  Nothing.  Perhaps I hit a nerve as you must be a flamboyant SNP member.  To point it out, it was no aim to one party but just me copying and pasting names from a list of names that theown their support behind the nordic model and having people like us, criminalised.

A couple of points
1 Strange the only name you misspelled was the only Muslim of Asian decent in your list, your not the first clown to do           this with his name and think they are funny.
2 Strange that you listed SNP members of the group, not mentioning Labour or Conservative members off the group who are senior members off the group.

You have a political axe to grind, this may not be the forum for it
 

[youngatheart]

Nasty stuff all round.

Even if you're genuinely ignorant of what's going on in the background, if you're there when PC Plod arrives - make no mistake, you're on the front page of the Evening Times and up in front of his lordship for statutory rape, even though you've paid your £60. You'll get what 8? 10? years.

Yet another reason for generally avoiding the 'R' word.

statutory rape applies only to girls under the age of 16.

[Joey4141]

A couple of points
1 Strange the only name you misspelled was the only Muslim of Asian decent in your list, your not the first clown to do           this with his name and think they are funny.
2 Strange that you listed SNP members of the group, not mentioning Labour or Conservative members off the group who are senior members off the group.

You have a political axe to grind, this may not be the forum for it

David, that how i knew you were alluding to... there is no reason for any of us to even bring anyone's ethnicity into the conversation.  If you can't understand how copy and paste works, then... and if you can't let such a simple error, go, and turn it around and make it into something it's not... you have the problem, not me.  How, "since" got in his name, is beyond me... a word I failed to delete, from the page I copied it from... no idea - nor do I care.   I believe one is Labour, not sure... and again, I do not care... why? Because it was names on a list... with many more... and I'll say again, whether you like to admit it or not, many SNP reps pushing for it... not just reps, many of their members - otherwise, why are these representatives holding consultations and such - people are clearly demanding action.  I believe it also passed at one of the SNP conventions too - but hey, don't care - clearly you don't.

[J_H]

A couple of points
1 Strange the only name you misspelled was the only Muslim of Asian decent in your list, your not the first clown to do           this with his name and think they are funny.
2 Strange that you listed SNP members of the group, not mentioning Labour or Conservative members off the group who are senior members off the group.

You have a political axe to grind, this may not be the forum for it

My point entirely.

[Joey4141]

My point entirely.

Touchy touchy... still no apology? You 2 have problems. loosely thrown around such a strong word, over a simple mistake, so trivial.  Madness.

[J_H]

David, that how i knew you were alluding to... there is no reason for any of us to even bring anyone's ethnicity into the conversation.  If you can't understand how copy and paste works, then... and if you can't let such a simple error, go, and turn it around and make it into something it's not... you have the problem, not me.  How, "since" got in his name, is beyond me... a word I failed to delete, from the page I copied it from... no idea - nor do I care.   I believe one is Labour, not sure... and again, I do not care... why? Because it was names on a list... with many more... and I'll say again, whether you like to admit it or not, many SNP reps pushing for it... not just reps, many of their members - otherwise, why are these representatives holding consultations and such - people are clearly demanding action.  I believe it also passed at one of the SNP conventions too - but hey, don't care - clearly you don't.

The top name on the 'list' is the convener.

You've already been told 'how many'.

Stop fantasising and go back to playing with Wankipedia.

[David1970]

David, that how i knew you were alluding to... there is no reason for any of us to even bring anyone's ethnicity into the conversation.  If you can't understand how copy and paste works, then... and if you can't let such a simple error, go, and turn it around and make it into something it's not... you have the problem, not me.  How, "since" got in his name, is beyond me... a word I failed to delete, from the page I copied it from... no idea - nor do I care.   I believe one is Labour, not sure... and again, I do not care... why? Because it was names on a list... with many more... and I'll say again, whether you like to admit it or not, many SNP reps pushing for it... not just reps, many of their members - otherwise, why are these representatives holding consultations and such - people are clearly demanding action.  I believe it also passed at one of the SNP conventions too - but hey, don't care - clearly you don't.

Can I ask what web page you cut and pasted the list from?

[J_H]

Touchy touchy... still no apology? You 2 have problems. loosely thrown around such a strong word, over a simple mistake, so trivial.  Madness.

Watch my lips: fuck you and your 'apology'.

[myothernameis]

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Watch my lips: fuck you and your 'apology'.

You need to calm down 

[Joey4141]

The top name on the 'list' is the convener.

You've already been told 'how many'.

Stop fantasising and go back to playing with Wankipedia.

I can't believe these forums have people like you... it's weird, can't get my head around it - how this has got you in such...  *mind boggling*

I don't care how i organised the names either - and i do recall, a few, being "convener" - especially one of those Labour nuts you mentioned Rhoda?  Or shall I do this purposely to see how you take offence "rHoDamad"?  There are many, anyone, who can use quotations, semicolons etc on google with keywords can find.

Why don't you do just that, and enjoy your wankipedia.

[Joey4141]

Can I ask what web page you cut and pasted the list from?

David, i would but this has gone too far and it's not difficult to find... date ranges too.  However, it seems even J_H knows some of them including more, that are pushing for it... so it's not like I have plucked them out a hat.

[Joey4141]

Watch my lips: fuck you and your 'apology'.

You have problems.

[David1970]

David, i would but this has gone too far and it's not difficult to find... date ranges too.  However, it seems even J_H knows some of them including more, that are pushing for it... so it's not like I have plucked them out a hat.

So you claim it was not your fault but a web page that misspelt the only Muslim of Asian decent on your incomplete lists of MSP. But you can’t name the web page that did that, why not?

[J_H]

23 Abuse towards other members
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What are you going to say to him about imputing politics to me that I don't have?

[Joey4141]

So you claim it was not your fault but a web page that misspelt the only Muslim of Asian decent on your incomplete lists of MSP. But you can’t name the web page that did that, why not?

After this, I'm not going further into your nonsense - and you know it.  Firstly, his name is exactly that, except "since" after it... meaning absolutely nothing.  No, I don't have to go and prove myself to someone I don't know, especially when you're going out your way to make something it is not!  Pathetic.  I know nothing really about our justice minister except he was caught driving without insurance and was punished - that is from the top of my head, and after that, i do not care.  It seems, only you and J_H has the problem except... J_H has much more of an attitude.

[Falkirk GND]

David, i would but this has gone too far and it's not difficult to find...

In other words “I would, but I won’t, because I can’t. I’m talking pish, made the whole “copied a website article “ bit up and now I’m being called out on it, I’m going to play the hard done by victim and whinge instead of answering a direct question with a direct answer” 

[written while Joey was writing his latest response - so Joey boy - add me to Dave and J_H.  My beef with you is you’re a whingeing wee mouth who can’t answer a simple question. Post the link to the article, or shut the fuck up!]

[David1970]

After this, I'm not going further into your nonsense - and you know it.  Firstly, his name is exactly that, except "since" after it... meaning absolutely nothing.  No, I don't have to go and prove myself to someone I don't know, especially when you're going out your way to make something it is not!  Pathetic.  I know nothing really about our justice minister except he was caught driving without insurance and was punished - that is from the top of my head, and after that, i do not care.  It seems, only you and J_H has the problem except... J_H has much more of an attitude.

So you can’t or won’t name the web site that misspelt the only Muslim of Asian decent on your list that only list MPS from the SNP but not other parties.
I have a feeling and I may be wrong but there is no website you paste and cut the names from, just did it your self.
Please disprove me.

[Joey4141]

In other words “I would, but I won’t, because I can’t. I’m talking pish, made the whole “copied a website article “ bit up and now I’m being called out on it, I’m going to play the hard done by victim and whinge instead of answering a direct question with a direct answer” 

[written while Joey was writing his latest response - so Joey boy - add me to Dave and J_H.  My beef with you is you’re a whingeing wee mouth who can’t answer a simple question. Post the link to the article, or shut the fuck up!]

Lol - do I care and no I wont dig through many articles to get it for you, because you have a problem.  However, was it you posting the punting legal? This is the latest consultation, not much more, due to covid i think.  You know who is behind it, 2 members of our parliament. External Link/Members Only - copy the names shall i? Or how about "those who create demand by paying for sex should be targeted by law" I wonder who said that?  You 3 make me laugh.  Perhaps I should add, make your voices heard, we don't want the nordic model.

[Falkirk GND]

Lol - do I care and no I wont dig through many articles to get it for you, because you have a problem.  However, was it you posting the punting legal? This is the latest consultation, not much more, due to covid i think.  You know who is behind it, 2 members of our parliament. External Link/Members Only - copy the names shall i? Or how about "those who create demand by paying for sex should be targeted by law" I wonder who said that?  You 3 make me laugh.  Perhaps I should add, make your voices heard, we don't want the nordic model.

Yup - as we all thought - a 100% evasive bullshitter! 

[Joey4141]

Yup - as we all thought - a 100% bullshitter! 

On what? that those people are pushing a nordic model for Scotland? You think these people are not coming after punters?

[Matrix]

Fuck me!  First time I've read this thread and the last.  Completely derailed over nothing.


The only one named in this thread who I know to have issues with skin colour, is Yousaf, himself.  There's some very insightful videos regarding the topic, but as it's banned topic, it's up to folk to actually use a web browser themselves.

I'm specifically referring to his pseudo outrage, and marxist intersectionality crap, over all the top law jobs in Scotland being occupied by white folks, without him coming to the obvious conclusion that Scotland is 98%+ white.

As with him, I've no interest in his melanin content, but I find that type of baiting abhorrent.

[Falkirk GND]

On what? that those people are pushing a nordic model for Scotland? You think these people are not coming after punters?

Joey, Joey, Joey! Keep up man! I don’t doubt that the man-hating brigade want to criminalise punters. No one on here seriously disputes that. I just don’t believe your “I copied it from a website” bullshit story. It diverts attention from a serious point on the Nordic model. 

[David1970]

Lol - do I care and no I wont dig through many articles to get it for you, because you have a problem.  However, was it you posting the punting legal? This is the latest consultation, not much more, due to covid i think.  You know who is behind it, 2 members of our parliament. External Link/Members Only - copy the names shall i? Or how about "those who create demand by paying for sex should be targeted by law" I wonder who said that?  You 3 make me laugh.  Perhaps I should add, make your voices heard, we don't want the nordic model.

Despite you repeatedly claiming that it was a web page and not you who misspelled the only Muslim of Asian decent in your politicly biased list, you can’t produce the web page. You keep trying to defect on what you did, I wonder why

[Joey4141]

Joey, Joey, Joey! Keep up man! I don’t doubt that the man-hating brigade want to criminalise punters. No one on here seriously disputes that. I just don’t believe your “I copied it from a website” bullshit story. It diverts attention from a serious point on the Nordic model. 

Look, you come after me, for what? nothing.  Go and look yourself, and it was copy and paste, no ill intention behind.  And, no... not going to bother... wasting my time already - in fact, i wasted a lot looking online about it last night and now... from 18:59 to 20:27 (thats what I wasted on it last night) - could I pot them from my search history (yes) but why save you the bother? as Matrix said, you have a damn web browser.

[Falkirk GND]

 

[David1970]

Look, you come after me, for what? nothing.  Go and look yourself, and it was copy and paste, no ill intention behind.  And, no... not going to bother... wasting my time already - in fact, i wasted a lot looking online about it last night and now... from 18:59 to 20:27 (thats what I wasted on it last night) - could I pot them from my search history (yes) but why save you the bother? as Matrix said, you have a damn web browser.

So this web page, you keep blaming for the misspelling the name of the only Muslim of Asian decent in your politically one side list, you can’t find. You can put this to bed so easily if you just post the web page if it does exist.

[myothernameis]

So this web page, you keep blaming for the misspelling the name of the only Muslim of Asian decent in your politically one side list, you can’t find. You can put this to bed so easily if you just post the web page if it does exist.

I have even googled, Joey4141 misspelling of humza yousafsince, and it produces 0 returns. 

[Joey4141]

I have even googled, Joey4141 misspelling of humza yousafsince, and it produces 0 returns.

His name does not have "since" after it. It never did, his name is with those other names.  How "since" end up after his name I don't know nor care.  And, David is obsessed with peoples ethnic background.

[David1970]

His name does not have "since" after it. It never did, his name is with those other names.  How "since" end up after his name I don't know nor care.  And, David is obsessed with peoples ethnic background.

You said you cut and passed his name, now you are saying the misspelled name just appeared?
What about the politically slanted list, the Labour and Conservative just dropped off?
You were the one who posted his name misspelled, the political biased list, the one who started this.
Put it to bed and tell the truth.

[Joey4141]

You said you cut and passed his name,

Yes, and if you go back, you will see.  You're a troll, and to be honest, this behaviour, i can't believe it's tolerated on these forums.