Three people arrested for human trafficking, Glasgow & Edinburgh

[myothernameis]

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Officers carried out search warrants at addresses in Denniston, Maryhill and Thornliebank in Glasgow and the Canongate area of Edinburgh.

Wonder which escorts in relation to the raid it was, Romanians, Brazilians only two groups I know of right now on AW with a large number of profiles

[J_H]

Nasty stuff all round.

Even if you're genuinely ignorant of what's going on in the background, if you're there when PC Plod arrives - make no mistake, you're on the front page of the Evening Times and up in front of his lordship for statutory rape, even though you've paid your £60. You'll get what 8? 10? years.

Yet another reason for generally avoiding the 'R' word.

[timmy1]

Have heard theres several Romanian girls working out the same flat in Maryhill next to the Tesco, good chance its that

[winkywanky]

Nasty stuff all round.

Even if you're genuinely ignorant of what's going on in the background, if you're there when PC Plod arrives - make no mistake, you're on the front page of the Evening Times and up in front of his lordship for statutory rape, even though you've paid your £60. You'll get what 8? 10? years.

Yet another reason for generally avoiding the 'R' word.

Is that correct? Having sex with a trafficked girl is statutory rape? Wow.

I should imagine anyone who's been punting for a few years has a high chance of having inadvertently fucked a trafficked girl at some point (I include myself), and that would make them a rapist  .

[J_H]

Have heard theres several Romanian girls working out the same flat in Maryhill next to the Tesco, good chance its that

There certainly seem to have been quite a few in the G20 postcode very recently.

Even if there's no trafficking involved, two girls is illegal and if you're caught you could still be called as a witness.

Seem to have read about a few of these raids recently.

[J_H]

Is that correct? Having sex with a trafficked girl is statutory rape? Wow.

I should imagine anyone who's been punting for a few years has a high chance of having inadvertently fucked a trafficked girl at some point (I include myself), and that would make them a rapist  .

To the best of my knowledge: the legal argument is that because they are trafficked there can be no question of 'consent'; no consent = rape. It' also, as far as I am aware, one of the few legal categories where you can't claim ignorance of the fact that they were trafficked.

As I say, very nasty.

[willie loman]

Nasty stuff all round.

Even if you're genuinely ignorant of what's going on in the background, if you're there when PC Plod arrives - make no mistake, you're on the front page of the Evening Times and up in front of his lordship for statutory rape, even though you've paid your £60. You'll get what 8? 10? years.

Yet another reason for generally avoiding the 'R' word.

as someone who reads the papers fairly carefully, i have never heard of anyone getting 8 years for being a customer of a trafficked girl, or indeed a 10 £ fine, even the traffickers, utter beasts that they are, dont get that sentence, nor will you be on the front page of any newspaper, feel free to correct me on this.

[winkywanky]

To the best of my knowledge: the legal argument is that because they are trafficked there can be no question of 'consent'; no consent = rape. It' also, as far as I am aware, one of the few legal categories where you can't claim ignorance of the fact that they were trafficked.

As I say, very nasty.

If that's the case, I guess it might depend on how the CPS saw your own particular case if you got arrested?

While ignorance is no defence in Law as such, I find it hard to believe that if they believed it was an inadvertent one-off occasion, that they would prosecute you for Rape.

But who knows?

[Falkirk GND]

There is no such thing as ‘statutory rape’ in Scotland - the equivalent offence is “rape of a young child”. see s18 of the following Act:

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Sex without consent is simply rape. So while you could get done for rape (as a trafficked girl is unlikely to freely give her consent) you are unlikely to be done for the equivalent of statutory rape. If you’re charged with that, i.e. rape of a young child, you deserve anything you get, as she will have been 12 years old or younger. If she is aged 13 to 16 it is “having sexual intercourse with an older child” (s28) which is equally reprehensible

[winkywanky]

There is no such thing as ‘statutory rape’ in Scotland - the equivalent offence is “rape of a young child”. see s18 of the following Act:

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Sex without consent is simply rape. So while you could get done for rape (as a trafficked girl is unlikely to freely give her consent) you are unlikely to be done for the equivalent of statutory rape. If you’re charged with that, you deserve anything you get, as she will have been 12 years old or younger. If she is aged 13 to 16 it is “having sexual intercourse with an older child” (s28) which is equally reprehensible

I think what you're getting at is that you wouldn't be charged with statutory rape, therefore some discretion might be given over whether to actually charge you with rape?

[Falkirk GND]

Winkywanky - not exactly. Statutory rape is fucking children, in which case I personally would have no objection to plod taking you up a dark alley and kicking your bollocks to a pulp. I doubt you would be charged with rape either, as you would have a defence of ‘reasonable belief’ that the girls consent was freely given, which the Crown would have difficulty overcoming unless it was blindingly obvious that they were trafficked, in which case, again, you deserve everything you get.

[winkywanky]

Not exactly. Statutory rape is fucking children, in which case I personally would have no objection to plod taking you up a dark alley and kicking your bollocks to a pulp. I doubt you would be charged with rape either, as you would have a defence of ‘reasonable belief’ that the girls consent was freely given, which the Crown would have difficulty overcoming unless it was blindingly obvious that they were trafficked, in which case, again, you deserve everything you get.

I'm getting confused over the difference between Scottish law and English Law  (despite your explanation  )

But I think we are in agreement that it would (hopefully) be unlikely you'd be charged with rape of a trafficked girl, if it could be reasonably shown it was done inadvertently? M'Lud (or whatever they say in Scotland  )

[Falkirk GND]

I'm getting confused over the difference between Scottish law and English Law  (despite your explanation  )

But I think we are in agreement that it would (hopefully) be unlikely you'd be charged with rape of a trafficked girl, if it could be reasonably shown it was done inadvertently? M'Lud (or whatever they say in Scotland  )

We concur, my learned friend! 

[winkywanky]

Open and shut case then, and it's all over the road for a few pints a hevvi     

[J_H]

I'm getting confused over the difference between Scottish law and English Law  (despite your explanation  )

But I think we are in agreement that it would (hopefully) be unlikely you'd be charged with rape of a trafficked girl, if it could be reasonably shown it was done inadvertently? M'Lud (or whatever they say in Scotland  )

Quite sure you would be charged with whatever the equivalent is of shagging somebody without their consent (whatever it's called legally, if it's not rape), and I don't see how you could keep your name out of the papers either. There was Glasgow councillor a few years ago splattered all over the red top tabloids just for cruising the drag.

[Falkirk GND]

Open and shut case then, and it's all over the road for a few pints a hevvi     

  Then off to a strip club and a gangbang with an adult British indie 

[winkywanky]

Then off to a strip club and a gangbang with an adult British indie 

...after Lockdown of course. And I wonder if we'd see Alex Salmond in there? 

[J_H]

TO quote Groucho, 'whatever it is, I'm against it!'

[winkywanky]

TO quote Groucho, 'whatever it is, I'm against it!'

Not only that, I'd never, ever join a club that would consider having me as a member, I do have standards you know 

[Falkirk GND]

Quite sure you would be charged with whatever the equivalent is of shagging somebody without their consent (whatever it's called legally, if it's not rape), and I don't see how you could keep your name out of the papers either. There was Glasgow councillor a few years ago splattered all over the red top tabloids just for cruising the drag.

Either way, the moral of the story - go indie and, if possible, buy British! 

[willie loman]

Quite sure you would be charged with whatever the equivalent is of shagging somebody without their consent (whatever it's called legally, if it's not rape), and I don't see how you could keep your name out of the papers either. There was Glasgow councillor a few years ago splattered all over the red top tabloids just for cruising the drag.

From time to time cases of brothel keeping appear in the papers, customers are never named, nor are their pictures shown. The councillor was no doubt charged with kerb crawling, which is an actual offence,

[rowlock]

Good, I hope they all get caught, and the trafficked girls given their freedom.

[myothernameis]

appear in the papers, customers are never named, nor are their pictures shown.

There was a case a good few years back, where I think a judge was frequently going to Carol Sauna, and was found out, and the Sunday Mail ran story on him.  The following Sunday, the Sunday Mail had a follow up story on punters visiting Carols, no names or face photos, but photos with the punters face blurred out

But I would have assume, that a partner reading the paper, could easily recognize there other half, just by the clothing

[willie loman]

he was named etc as he was a sheriff who had to resign,as he had let down the side etc, google it, normal mortals do not appear in the papers, nor do they get a sentence of 8 years for rape, as for your claim that the papers printed photoes of the customers,  no doubt if true their spouses could have recognised them, but in my view its unlikely that a newpaper would have risked a court case publishing the pictures of punters, its the first time ive come across that suggestion.

[auldie63]

TO quote Groucho, 'whatever it is, I'm against it!'

Speaking about squeeky clean all american icon Doris Day, Groucho said, " Yes I knew her before she was a virgin". 

[winkywanky]

Speaking about squeeky clean all american icon Doris Day, Groucho said, " Yes I knew her before she was a virgin". 

Forgot that one, brilliant 

[J_H]

From time to time cases of brothel keeping appear in the papers, customers are never named, nor are their pictures shown. The councillor was no doubt charged with kerb crawling, which is an actual offence,

The point is you're NOT a 'customer' in this case; you've had sex illegally with a trafficked girl.

[willie loman]

The point is you're NOT a 'customer' in this case; you've had sex illegally with a trafficked girl.

i repeat i have never heard of someone getting 8 years for having sex with a trafficked girl, nor his face in the paper, and nor have you.

[Kev40ish]

i repeat i have never heard of someone getting 8 years for having sex with a trafficked girl, nor his face in the paper, and nor have you.

That’s because it’s not true..

[Name Not Found]

The point is you're NOT a 'customer' in this case; you've had sex illegally with a trafficked girl.

With all due respect, you seem to have many opinions on the subject but very little understanding of the law. 

[TommyMoundfrigger]

Not only that, I'd never, ever join a club that would consider having me as a member, I do have standards you know 

I have principles, but if you don't like them, I have others.

[David1970]

The point is you're NOT a 'customer' in this case; you've had sex illegally with a trafficked girl.

I remember a woman being sold by traffickers outside Primark in Sauchiehall Street, Glasgow. They were running  a prostitution ring in Govanhill, Glasgow with woman trafficked form East Europe. The traffickers were sent to jail, they were on the TV and in the newspapers, but no photos of punters or no punters charged.

[J_H]

If you're the defendant in such a case, I can't see any reason why the press not free to report your details.

[David1970]

If you're the defendant in such a case, I can't see any reason why the press not free to report your details.

The press did not print photos of punters and the police did not press charges against punters, because they don’t, unlike what you are suggesting.

[winkywanky]

I have principles, but if you don't like them, I have others.

 

(...digs out old Marx Bros DVDs for an evening's entertainment...)

[David1970]

I have principles, but if you don't like them, I have others.

Sounds like your average politician

[Glesgaboy]

The reports suggest a raid in Thornliebank.  Never known a flat to be operating there based on AW and reports on here.....wonder if that was actually the residence of the trafficker rather than the working flat....?

[Squire Haggard]

This topic was new to me when I first read it here. I had not heard of ''Strict liability'' before. Its worth scrolling down to read how you could unknowingly commit a serious offence. 

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=268895.msg2750433#msg2750433

[David1970]

This topic was new to me when I first read it here. I had not heard of ''Strict liability'' before. Its worth scrolling down to read how you could unknowingly commit a serious offence. 

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=268895.msg2750433#msg2750433

Scottish law is different than English law so “ Strict liability” may not be in effect in Scotland, not sure.

[Falkirk GND]

Neither PACE nor the Sexual Offences Act 2003 apply in Scotland - so that thread has no bearing on the position up here. There is no strict liability offence for prossies unless, as discussed above, they are children, in which case you deserve more than a wee fine!

[winkywanky]

Neither PACE nor the Sexual Offences Act 2003 apply in Scotland. There is no strict liability offence for prossies unless  you deserve more than a wee fine!

Seems harsh that watersports are illegal in Scotland?

[David1970]

Seems harsh that watersports are illegal in Scotland?

You never had a wee half before?

[winkywanky]

You never had a wee half before?

I always find that once I start I can't stop.

But then again I do wear Pringle underpants.

I'll get me coat...

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[Joey4141]

If I recall, people have been before the CPS... and years back, calls to name and shame, and recently, but Police continue to say "their not in the business of breaking up families" but be warned... MSPs, many, are pushing for this because they feel it will tackle this problem - it also means, placing you on the sex offenders register.

[David1970]

If I recall, people have been before the CPS... and years back, calls to name and shame, and recently, but Police continue to say "their not in the business of breaking up families" but be warned... MSPs, many, are pushing for this because they feel it will tackle this problem - it also means, placing you on the sex offenders register.

Don’t have the CPS in Scotland.

[winkywanky]

Procurator Fiscal. Even I know that as a Sassenach.

[David1970]

Procurator Fiscal. Even I know that as a Sassenach.

I am a proud Sassenach as well but some people do embarrass us with their ignorance

[Joey4141]

It's not the point, and, ignorance really is bliss.  It has happened, and google, even shows some link of punters arrested on suspicion of trafficking etc etc including kerb crawlers.  Has any been charged for "rape" not that I'm aware of but I do know punters have been arrested.  I also know, MSPs, are pushing for a change in the law - name and shame as well as placed on the sex register - plenty of articles.  Kenny MacAskill, Humza Yousafsince, Ash Denham, John Mason, Jean Urquhart, Philippa Whitford.... and more, have been working on it.  Truth is, some of you are likely voting for people who are pushing to criminalise you.

[David1970]

It's not the point, and, ignorance really is bliss.  It has happened, and google, even shows some link of punters arrested on suspicion of trafficking etc etc including kerb crawlers.  Has any been charged for "rape" not that I'm aware of but I do know punters have been arrested.  I also know, MSPs, are pushing for a change in the law - name and shame as well as placed on the sex register - plenty of articles.  Kenny MacAskill, Humza Yousafsince, Ash Denham, John Mason, Jean Urquhart, Philippa Whitford.... and more, have been working on it.  Truth is, some of you are likely voting for people who are pushing to criminalise you.

You must be in bliss you are so ignorant.

Funny how the only name you miss spell is the Humza Yousaf the Muslim MSP of Asian decent, think you are funny?

[Falkirk GND]

It has happened, and google, even shows some link of punters arrested on suspicion of trafficking etc etc including kerb crawlers.

Oh for crying out bloody loud!  It’s really very fucking simple...

Trafficking = illegal

Kerb Crawling = illegal

Brothel keeping = illegal

Pimping = illegal

Punting = L E G A L