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Offline 385North

Thought it might be interesting to start a thread about the historical aspects of punting, as a change to the usual raft of base threads that keep coming up time and time again. Obviously a few members on here have punted their way through various changes that have shaped the scene over the last years, possibly even decades, and so it would be good to have a place to question, discuss and share.

For starters I’ve often wondered when the GFE (girlfriend experience) first appeared on the menu and where it all started/originated from. I first took an interest in seeing a prostitute back in the late 90s and don’t remember seeing it being offered then. Was this when a punt first went from being a fairly cold timed act according to your stamina to a set hourly period of faux love and affection? Interested to know more from those you can enlighten, obviously.

Enjoy
385North
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Offline smiths

Thought it might be interesting to start a thread about the historical aspects of punting, as a change to the usual raft of base threads that keep coming up time and time again. Obviously a few members on here have punted their way through various changes that have shaped the scene over the last years, possibly even decades, and so it would be good to have a place to question, discuss and share.

For starters I’ve often wondered when the GFE (girlfriend experience) first appeared on the menu and where it all started/originated from. I first took an interest in seeing a prostitute back in the late 90s and don’t remember seeing it being offered then. Was this when a punt first went from being a fairly cold timed act according to your stamina to a set hourly period of faux love and affection? Interested to know more, obviously.

Enjoy
385North

In my experiences in London kissing was hardly ever on the menu with Brit WGs in the 80s into the 90s, it was only for their partners as they told me at the time. Only after the arrival of EE WGs from about the mid-90s onwards did kissing become prevalent AND prices went down, a great double whammy for me, bad news for the Brit WGs who to compete followed suit, or at least some did. It did though lead to less Brit WGs overall, Irish WGs virtually disappeared sadly, and i had found the lapsed Irish Catholics VERY dirty as they rebelled against their religious upbringings.

So the GFE came in for me around the late 90s although it wasnt called that then, and yes it did make punting a generally warmer experience BUT far more importantly this was now post-AIDS armageddon and tv campaigns that we were all going to die of it. Unfortuantely for me my punting started just as AIDS was starting to hit the headlines and many WGs were scared and panicking as was i so this period was a cold clinical time punting wise. From speaking to older punters it was the worst time in modern times to punt.

Offline 385North

Fascinating Smiths, thanks for the context. Sounds like punting now is a much more varied act compared to back in the late 90s, or at least one would assume so. Back then anything other than a straight shag would have been classed as an extra, no? Was there a shift back then to see escorts rather than common prostitutes, perhaps due to the whole AIDS scare thing?
« Last Edit: May 08, 2014, 07:39:09 pm by 385North »

Siadwel

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I remember 98/99 when I was punting a lot, more and more girls started offering 'oral without to completion'.

Quaint little phrase.

Nowadays I wouldn't dream of punting without OWO and CIM.


Offline hendrix

It sounds like I have roughly the same punting experience/background as smiths as that's pretty much how I recall the late 80's/90's time. I also remember the "specials" houses that opened up in East London with initially, British girls offering A levels, owo, cim, swallow etc..and that was a real thrill as those services were hard to find, though some of the women were, frankly, pretty ropey :D "Rimming" turned up as an extra too just after that!

Offline hockogrockle

Going back a bit further, did you know that the prostitutes of London plied their trade in the middle ages in a street called Gropecunt Alley? Presumably this was before streets had signs, and the name was how the location was known to the locals. When they started using written signs, I imagine they felt it was necessary to call it something more refined, quite apart from the fact that the whores had probably moved on. I wonder if it still exists?. It would be wonderful to see it revert to its original name!
And going back further still, I imagine quite a few users of this erudite and intellectual site will have visited Pompeii, with its preserved brothel, whose wall paintings of the sexual practices on offer demonstrate that the Romans knew a thing or two about "special services". And this was almost certainly not the only whorehouse in town. Rooms were a bit cramped and basic, though.

vorian

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Interesting topic,  I would say that the rise of Aids had a big impact on punting but for me the biggest historical change has been the rise of the Internet which has opened up punting to a whole different demographic.  Of course this revolution is still ongoing,  see how TripAdvisor has influenced the hotel industry,  Billions of pounds are spent on punting every year that's a lot of spending power.

taplow

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Going back a bit further, did you know that the prostitutes of London plied their trade in the middle ages in a street called Gropecunt Alley? Presumably this was before streets had signs, and the name was how the location was known to the locals. When they started using written signs, I imagine they felt it was necessary to call it something more refined, quite apart from the fact that the whores had probably moved on. I wonder if it still exists?. It would be wonderful to see it revert to its original name!
And going back further still, I imagine quite a few users of this erudite and intellectual site will have visited Pompeii, with its preserved brothel, whose wall paintings of the sexual practices on offer demonstrate that the Romans knew a thing or two about "special services". And this was almost certainly not the only whorehouse in town. Rooms were a bit cramped and basic, though.

That's right. Gropecunt was a sort of Medieval generic name. Most towns would have one wherever the prostitutes were.  I believe that the old City of London Gropecunt Lane was King Street by Cheapside/Gresham Street. That was before all the ladies were banned from soliciting within the city walls and had to ply their trade across the river on the South Bank where all the theatres, bear pits and other dodgy sources of amusement were.   
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Offline jburke1215

Going back a bit further, did you know that the prostitutes of London plied their trade in the middle ages in a street called Gropecunt Alley?

"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gropecunt Lane was a street name found in English towns and cities during the Middle Ages, believed to be a reference to the prostitution centred on those areas.....often in the busiest parts of medieval towns and cities, and at least one appears to have been an important thoroughfare.
There was even a, failed, e-petition to have the name reinstated."

In my youth City Road in Bristol was the place to find street walkers, not for me as they were too scary. This once main thoroughfare was full of women on street corners, to show they were looking for business they would carry a white bag as this would show up in car headlights.

Then the parlours opened up in the Old Market area and also on the main Bath Rd. They are still there but indies are now seem to have most of the business, prices have dropped but quality varies.  :hi:





Offline smiths

Fascinating Smiths, thanks for the context. Sounds like punting now is a much more varied act compared to back in the late 90s, or at least one would assume so. Back then anything other than a straight shag would have been classed as an extra, no? Was there a shift back then to see escorts rather than common prostitutes, perhaps due to the whole AIDS scare thing?

At Parlours anything but a shag was an extra that was the idea of Parlours of course, Indies though they werent called Indies then sometimes offered an all-in service. I dont see any difference between a common prostitute and an escort, its all semantics in the wording, and marketing for the WG. If by common you mean a street WG not really my scene.

The advantages punters nowadays have with the net and sites like this is of course a big step forward, just wish i had the same then. I punted in complete isolation for many years.

Online webpunter

Reading this thread reminded me of a bloke i used to work with.  This was late 80's.  He said that punting in the 70's & very early 80's was great fun.  Quick knob inspection & then full steam ahead.  Condoms - unlikely

Offline hockogrockle

Reading this thread reminded me of a bloke i used to work with.  This was late 80's.  He said that punting in the 70's & very early 80's was great fun.  Quick knob inspection & then full steam ahead.  Condoms - unlikely
I've been punting since 1975, and condoms have always been the order of the day, other than on one occasion in Barcelona in 1979, which resulted in me making a precautionary visit to the GUM clinic: all clear, fortunately. So I imagine your friend was seeing one particular woman who was a bit cavalier about safe sex.

Offline 385North

Well this thread’s got off to a good start by the looks of it and should be a good place for quite a broad spectrum of discussion.
Forget to mention in my OP that I do have a keen interest in social history, particularly in London.

One particular event that caught my attention, whilst studying the Ripper crimes, was the Cleveland Street Scandal and the whole thing with the telegraph messenger boys. Not my scene of course, but the history’s well worth diving into if you have the time and inclination.

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Rochdull lad

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Reading this thread reminded me of a bloke i used to work with.  This was late 80's.  He said that punting in the 70's & very early 80's was great fun.  Quick knob inspection & then full steam ahead.  Condoms - unlikely

But wasn't the time he talked about before HIV became widespread?  The reason for all the precautions we all have to take these days wasn't there then.

I only started punting just short of 10 years ago and had to rely on the Parlour Adverts in the local evening paper.  The rise of the internet  :thumbsup: and of AW  :thumbsdown: has transformed the scene in that short time.  What I worry about is all the bloody feminist MPs and their sympathisers trying to make punting a criminal offence for both WGs and us.

Offline wazzockchops

I started punting in the early nineties. Near enough all oral was covered, though at the time I was exclusively using parlours. There was only the occasional girl who would suck me without. I'm not sure if anal was available so blatantly, though I guess it was if you were confident enough to ask for it.

I think it would have been in 99 that parlours started blatantly offering anal and OWO. It would have been around the same time that I first had a WG lick my arse, totally unsolicited - this was in one of the Thai places in Northampton though it was anolder British lady who did it.

Not much later it was common to be presented with a menu in parlours, often including O, A, poppers along with the various length of services.

In the early noughties the parlour was king - with some specialising in orientals or other foreign girls. over the next few years the parlours began to fade away, often only able to provide girls who didn't really give a shit and subsequently provided a crap service. This coincided with rise of the internet.

The adverts in local papers, freeads and newsagents windows also declined and virtually disappeared over the same period.

More recently AW has allowed scammers and foreign tourists to proliferate, as widely discussed on here.

Nhsi

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I started punting in the early nineties. Near enough all oral was covered, though at the time I was exclusively using parlours. There was only the occasional girl who would suck me without. I'm not sure if anal was available so blatantly, though I guess it was if you were confident enough to ask for it.

I think it would have been in 99 that parlours started blatantly offering anal and OWO. It would have been around the same time that I first had a WG lick my arse, totally unsolicited - this was in one of the Thai places in Northampton though it was anolder British lady who did it.

Not much later it was common to be presented with a menu in parlours, often including O, A, poppers along with the various length of services.

In the early noughties the parlour was king - with some specialising in orientals or other foreign girls. over the next few years the parlours began to fade away, often only able to provide girls who didn't really give a shit and subsequently provided a crap service. This coincided with rise of the internet.

The adverts in local papers, freeads and newsagents windows also declined and virtually disappeared over the same period.

More recently AW has allowed scammers and foreign tourists to proliferate, as widely discussed on here.

I've never visited a parlour - are there any in London you'd recommend?

Offline wazzockchops

I'm in Kent mate and the parlours have nearly disappeared. There's only one I'd recommend but it's a long way from London!

Offline smiths

I've never visited a parlour - are there any in London you'd recommend?

If you dont care as i dont being a pragmatist that the couple who own the Parlours would sell their own grand parents for a few quid then i recommend HODs 1 and 2 in London External Link/Members Only At £130 an hour all in except for Anal they are better VFM in my view than Agencies.

Offline Wowgeek

That mention of a menu takes me back, I remember being handed an A3 sized board with all of the various services listed on it, and then being left to consider my choices before being told that Alice does Nos 1-6, Doreen does up to 10 and Felicity does them all.

Names changed to protect the innocent and cover for a poor memory as it was quite a while ago. I think a long defunct house at the end of the Enfield Ridgeway if that rings any bells with anyone?

Nhsi

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If you dont care as i dont being a pragmatist that the couple who own the Parlours would sell their own grand parents for a few quid then i recommend HODs 1 and 2 in London External Link/Members Only At £130 an hour all in except for Anal they are better VFM in my view than Agencies.

Cheers buddy. Where abouts are they?

Offline smiths

Cheers buddy. Where abouts are they?

In South Kensington and St Johns Wood.
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k

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My favourite places from the 1970's:-

Nathalie, French girl, walk-up in Little Newport Street.
Samantha, off Pembridge Road.  Adverts in newsagent:  If my memory serves me correct her phone number was 229 7926
Two choices in Chepstow Road, both on the side with the "Squat Now While Stocks Last" graffiti
Multiple choices in Warwick Road, Earls Court, basement flats.

Offline hockogrockle

Going a bit further back, those of a literary bent could look at the poetry of John Wilmot, the Earl of Rochester 1642-1680. A bisexual alcoholic with a massive sexual appetite, his poems were dismissed by Dr Johnson as "obscene ravings". And it is true that some of them contain words like "prick" and "cunt" more frequently than do Sir Frank's posts on this site.  However, some of them do give a good idea of the sexual morals of the time and how the ladies of the day used to ply their trade: the more upper class ones would solicit from their own carriages. A bit like kerb-crawling in reverse.

dilettante

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That's right. Gropecunt was a sort of Medieval generic name. Most towns would have one wherever the prostitutes were.  I believe that the old City of London Gropecunt Lane was King Street by Cheapside/Gresham Street. That was before all the ladies were banned from soliciting within the city walls and had to ply their trade across the river on the South Bank where all the theatres, bear pits and other dodgy sources of amusement were.   
Yes, I've read that Elizabethan brothels were associated with theatres - who knows, maybe Our Will had a stake in them the same way he did in the business interests of the theatre.

vt

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Yes, I've read that Elizabethan brothels were associated with theatres - who knows, maybe Our Will had a stake in them the same way he did in the business interests of the theatre.

Maybe he was looking to shake his spear on a Midsummer night!  :D

k

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Yes, I've read that Elizabethan brothels were associated with theatres - who knows, maybe Our Will had a stake in them the same way he did in the business interests of the theatre.
The theatricals you get from some women faking orgasm it wouldn't surprise me if they were members of Equity.

Offline Horizontal pleasures

I am bad at the timing but in the early 1970s I was visiting Cynthia Payne who was working under a 'trading name' as an Indie in Hallam Street near Great Portland Street in central London, and by the middle of the decade she was having regular parties in Streatham, payment on entry for a 'luncheon voucher' as a ticket, you could buy one or two, I bought two. There were also bunk-up nights as she called them when some of her young ladies from out of town were available for an hour or two the evening before the main event for regulars from her own trading.

There would be queues on the stairs for the bedrooms, I once took a lady to the bathroom as were in a hurry, usually you went with one at a time but I had my first duos on the bunk-up nights and my first two in one afternoon next day with an interval. I think everything was covered and I simply do not remember if snogging was allowed.

This was also the era for me of the contact magazines where small photos in little magazines with box numbers were all one could see with a short description. Letters were written, lots of dosh was wasted on stamped addressed return envelopes. I uses Able Labels (Northampton, still a good company) for the formality which made the reply look like a business letter. I recall it was the first time I went down on a lady and licked her, she told me what to do and I have been happy with my mouth full ever since. It was these contacts with indies and milfs as they are now known, in their own suburban and provincial homes, which were most satisfying as they were basically amateurs enjoying themselves and earning at the same time. They were often very good lookers.

Before then it was streetwalkers and walkups and then parlours and some of them were indeed in a parlous state. My first ever was a soho walk up. And borrowing father's car to 'go out' and little did he know.

My first owo was in California, without asking for it, on a work visit in about 1991. It was a great sensation.

enough nostalgia, back to Plan A for this week.
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Offline willie loman

Shakespeare is a phallic name, like wagstaffe, and thatched cottage was slang for a girls bush. In the seventies in Danube st, famous Edinburgh brothel, the girls usually single mothers from Dalkeith, didn't even get undressed completely, oral sex consisted of blowing at your cock, so my schoolmates told me, a shag cost 3 pounds, being beaten or dealing it out, was a pound a stroke, we got plenty of that for nothing at school. The standards of looks has gone up immensely in the last 20 years, service is on the whole much much better, for punters the common market and end of borders has been fine, though the man most responsible for foreign prossies is the boss of Ryan Air

Offline itk

When I started punting, late 80's/ early 90's there was no GFE, and OWO was a rare event. All business was done on the streets of Norwich, with the odd exception of phoning a number left in a call box, although this was a last resort late at night. Back then there were up to 20-25 girls working the streets. The phoning a number was always a risky business, taking a chance on turning up at the address hoping the WG was fit and wasn't some junkie den.

 Also there was never a time limit, it was either driving to a quiet lane and business took place, or back to their place. I can only recall the odd girl asking if I was anywhere near coming, which to me was the worst thing to say as it put me off. £30 average for bj and fuck in several positions was the going rate.
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Offline hockogrockle

In the 1980's there were booklets you could buy in dodgy newsagents and the like, with names such as "Phoenix". They contained photos of women, general descriptions of the services they offered, and a phone number. A low tech. version of Adultwork, in fact. And none of the photos were retouched. What you saw was what you got (assuming you wanted it).
As for OWO. It was part of the standard service in Birmingham and Manchester in those days. But not, if I recall correctly, in London.  GFE was available, but usually only if the woman took a fancy to you. As they did occasionally in my younger days. Normally meant I fancied them too. So if you were lucky it could turn into a great punt. All rather amateurish and charming looking back on it.

Offline Horizontal pleasures

In the 1980's there were booklets you could buy in dodgy newsagents and the like, with names such as "Phoenix". They contained photos of women, general descriptions of the services they offered, and a phone number. A low tech. version of Adultwork, in fact. And none of the photos were retouched. What you saw was what you got (assuming you wanted it).
As for OWO. It was part of the standard service in Birmingham and Manchester in those days. But not, if I recall correctly, in London.  GFE was available, but usually only if the woman took a fancy to you. As they did occasionally in my younger days. Normally meant I fancied them too. So if you were lucky it could turn into a great punt. All rather amateurish and charming looking back on it.
I mentioned this in my reminiscence and now recall the name of the mag, it was Rendezvous, but I am sure it was already there in the late 1970s. Anyhow HERE IT  IS
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I shall take a look.
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Offline Horizontal pleasures

I mentioned this in my reminiscence and now recall the name of the mag, it was Rendezvous, but I am sure it was already there in the late 1970s. Anyhow HERE IT  IS
External Link/Members Only
I shall take a look.

oops
not updated since summer 2009 but still worth a look for the memories

Offline geordiegooner

Getting back to Gropecunt Lane, Newcastle had one which then changed it's name to Grapecuntlane (note how grope was the offensive word  :D ), that then when through a few more changes before settling on Love Lane.

Which is now situated between behind the law court on the quayside to the Travellodge, funny enough my first punt in Newcastle was in a room in that Travellodge.

Offline Greenman

I remember getting a copy of the daily sport sitting at work after hours with a highlighter pen circling the ones in my area north east then ringing them up
Mostly landlines in them days had if them was engaged so you moved onto the next one
Eventually you got through to the
Can I help you love
£40/£50/£60 for as long as it takes
Ring when your in the area
Looming for the ten pence pieces and a Phone box that worked amd hoe you didn't run out of creodt in the phone box as you wrote the directions down struggeling woth the accents
Then trying to find it
Eventually upgrading to a A-Z book for a fiver

Easy nowadays woth smart phones amd maps ams sat navigation

Offline 385North

Here's a question:

I remember watching a C4 TV documentary a while again about an escort called Juicy Lucy, or Luscious Linda - one of those. A late-thirties, married, ex-marketing manager who jacked in the daily grind of 9-5 office work and together with her partner started arranging meets (gang bangs?) in various hotels up and down the country. Think she always worked with another girl who went by the catchy name of Bad Bitch UK. Did anyone have the pleasure of attending one of these parties back in the day?