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Author Topic: Are we part of some big experiment?  (Read 3158 times)

Tony Montana

Every time I talk to student WGs about their studies, they all seem to be doing psychology.  I image punters and prossies are both quite interesting psychological subjects, but I wonder if I'm gong to become part of some thesis.

Noticed that too. I've also noticed they are all as thick as pig shit so I am not expecting anything particularly insightful in their field studies.

Ha Ha Its so fucking true that or Business Studies.

I saw an alleged student/pro$$ie who claimed she was studying for her MSC in Psychology. She didnt have a fucking clue when i quizzed her. She was offended when I told her she should ask for her fees back.


Offline SirFrank

An ethnographic study of punting....
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Psychology is a psuedo-science. It's for people who think they are learning some insight into the human mind and they will be helping people, when they usually have very little self awareness about themselves.

Offline maxxblue

Psychology is a psuedo-science. It's for people who think they are learning some insight into the human mind and they will be helping people, when they usually have very little self awareness about themselves.

Don't agree. Psychology can be very helpful to people experiencing problems with their mental health as a consequence of trauma, for instance. There is robust scientific evidence, such as numerous randomised controlled trials, demonstrating the positive outcomes of psychological interventions for people experiencing such problems. See NICE (http://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/index.jsp?action=byTopic&o=7281) for examples.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2014, 10:56:24 PM by maxxblue »

Offline Aspen

Don't agree.

I do. I know a psychologist and she has a chillingly similar attitude towards her clients as many WG's. After hearing some of her stories I'd never go to one. I have very little time for them.

Psychology can be very helpful to people experiencing problems with their mental health as a consequence of trauma, for instance.

Possibly. But I've learned the hard way that you have to take what life throws at you on the chin, and get over it as best you can or you just cave in. Most people are out for themselves, and don't give a toss about anyone else. That applies to psychologists just as much as it does to bankers, lawyers and estate agents.
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Offline maxxblue

I do. I know a psychologist and she has a chillingly similar attitude towards her clients as many WG's. After hearing some of her stories I'd never go to one. I have very little time for them.

Possibly. But I've learned the hard way that you have to take what life throws at you on the chin, and get over it as best you can or you just cave in. Most people are out for themselves, and don't give a toss about anyone else. That applies to psychologists just as much as it does to bankers, lawyers and estate agents.

I know someone with ginger hair who was arrested for shoplifting. Therefore all people with ginger hair are shoplifters. I think not.

Your logic is flawed. A bit like saying that you have no time for GPs because of what Harold Shipman did.

If psychology was not an effective intervention, the government would not have invested millions of pounds (literally) in psychological therapies:

http://www.nice.org.uk/newsroom/news/CashBoostForPsychologicalTherapiesToTreatMentalHealth.jsp

Your experiences have clearly influenced your views (Most people are out for themselves, and don't give a toss about anyone else.), but this doesn't mean that they are true.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2014, 11:21:58 PM by maxxblue »

Offline mcb

Not all of them. I saw a WG who was studying English literature.

Offline AnthG

Every time I talk to student WGs about their studies, they all seem to be doing psychology. 
I think its because they are lying and this is the only course they can think of that sounds good for them to say.

Psychology is a very difficult course to enter at degree level as its so competitive the places so you need As and Bs at A-Level to enter.

E.g even a poor uni like Reading you still need As and Bs to enter.

http://www.reading.ac.uk/pcls/ug/psy-ugentryrequirements.aspx

Tony Montana


If psychology was not an effective intervention, the government would not have invested millions of pounds (literally) in psychological therapies:



The Government also invested millions in homeopathic treatments.  :wacko:

But I get what you say and I do believe that the study of psychology is the one weapon we have against psychos, abusers, criminally insane etc.

And I know of one who thinks she's going to be a great counsellor for people with relationship and marriage issues in particular........ Needs counselling herself first in my humble opinion as mad as a box of frogs.

Offline wristjob

Every time I talk to student WGs about their studies, they all seem to be doing psychology.  I image punters and prossies are both quite interesting psychological subjects, but I wonder if I'm gong to become part of some thesis.

I think my niece does psychology at uni. You dirty bastard!!!!!

Offline wristjob


Possibly. But I've learned the hard way that you have to take what life throws at you on the chin, and get over it as best you can or you just cave in. Most people are out for themselves, and don't give a toss about anyone else. That applies to psychologists just as much as it does to bankers, lawyers and estate agents.

Yeah well, we live in a world nowadays where people are indulged in their whinyness.

Offline jackdaw

Psychology is a psuedo-science. It's for people who think they are learning some insight into the human mind and they will be helping people, when they usually have very little self awareness about themselves.

Not the case. Psychology is actually the study of normal behaviour in animals as well as man. Treating abnormal human behaviour is dealt with by psychiatry, or a small specialism in psychology called clinical psychology.

There's an enormous body of hard experimental data in psychology resulting from a lot of detailed animal work.

But admittedly...there's a lot of fakes calling themselves psychologists without taking appropriate degrees first.

Offline Aspen

I know someone with ginger hair who was arrested for shoplifting. Therefore all people with ginger hair are shoplifters. I think not.

Your logic is flawed. A bit like saying that you have no time for GPs because of what Harold Shipman did.

Both those analogies are ridiculous.

It is well known that so-called professions like bankers, lawyers and estate agents have a high proportion of people who are totally selfish and unconcerned about the welfare of their customers, despite much pretence otherwise. All I am saying is that I now treat some of these airy fairy so-called caring occupations with similar caution. And as a matter of fact I would even include some GP's in as well. My experience with them is not entirely good either, but by the same token I am not accusing any of them of being serial killers, or of having ginger hair - though some of them might have. They are getting very flaky these days though, with all these new trusts and businesses and so forth being introduced. Patients aren't the priority, balancing the books is (and making money - they are almost as overpaid as bankers, lawyers and prostitutes are).

If psychology was not an effective intervention, the government would not have invested millions of pounds (literally) in psychological therapies:

That's a flawed statement if ever there was one. So the government is very sensible is it? And doesn't make mistakes? I don't think so. Otherwise it wouldn't have wasted billions over many years on a very badly flawed NHS IT system, which has been one of the greatest drains (if not THE greatest) on public resources the UK has ever experienced. It's still not right and this has been going on for the best part of 15 years. You comparison simply reinforces the point I make about psychology.

http://www.nice.org.uk/newsroom/news/CashBoostForPsychologicalTherapiesToTreatMentalHealth.jsp

Your experiences have clearly influenced your views (Most people are out for themselves, and don't give a toss about anyone else.), but this doesn't mean that they are true.

Of course it doesn't MEAN it is true. But I wouldn't have said that if I didn't think it was. I haven't got rose tinted specs, and I would guess you live in a sheltered backwater if you can't recognise what I am describing.

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Offline Aspen

Not the case. Psychology is actually the study of normal behaviour in animals as well as man. Treating abnormal human behaviour is dealt with by psychiatry, or a small specialism in psychology called clinical psychology.

There's an enormous body of hard experimental data in psychology resulting from a lot of detailed animal work.

But admittedly...there's a lot of fakes calling themselves psychologists without taking appropriate degrees first.

An element of truth there somewhere. Psychology is the subject, psychiatrists are practitioners. But they don't exactly cover themselves in glory when they still apply such treatments as ECT - electro convulsive therapy. Thank goodness lobotomy has gone out of fashion. It is a very dubious subject area that is somewhat subjective, and the motives of self appointed experts is something to beware of. A psychology degree doesn't make anyone an expert on the human mind. I don't think such an individual even exists.

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Previous post is a bit of a rant. Can we get back to the subject, please. Speaking for myself, I've yet to come across one of these self-styled "psychology students" working in the sex industry.

Offline maxxblue

An element of truth there somewhere. Psychology is the subject, psychiatrists are practitioners. But they don't exactly cover themselves in glory when they still apply such treatments as ECT - electro convulsive therapy. Thank goodness lobotomy has gone out of fashion. It is a very dubious subject area that is somewhat subjective, and the motives of self appointed experts is something to beware of. A psychology degree doesn't make anyone an expert on the human mind. I don't think such an individual even exists.

Again, you are misinformed. Psychiatry and psychology are two distinct fields. If psychiatry is the subject, psychiatrists are the practitioners; likewise, psychologists (and others) use psychology in their clinical practice.

Offline Aspen

Again, you are misinformed. Psychiatry and psychology are two distinct fields. If psychiatry is the subject, psychiatrists are the practitioners; likewise, psychologists (and others) use psychology in their clinical practice.

I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to Jackdaw, who was the one who brought psychiatry into the mix.

I don't need you to tell me what the difference is, and I'm not interested it writing such detail on this forum. If you, or anyone else, is interested to learn the detail you can just google wiki psychology & psychiatry and stop trying to play forum tennis. I'm not interested in your game.
 
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Offline jackdaw

An element of truth there somewhere. Psychology is the subject, psychiatrists are practitioners. But they don't exactly cover themselves in glory when they still apply such treatments as ECT - electro convulsive therapy. Thank goodness lobotomy has gone out of fashion. It is a very dubious subject area that is somewhat subjective, and the motives of self appointed experts is something to beware of. A psychology degree doesn't make anyone an expert on the human mind. I don't think such an individual even exists.

As Maxx has already pointed out, you're just factually wrong in your first statement. A practitioner of psychology is called a psychologist.

I agree that treatments such as ECT and lobotomy were ill advised (putting it mildly). But these were procedures carried out by people whose main qualifications were in medicine, rather than psychology....you need formal medical qualifications to carry out such extreme physical operations. But, of course, some of those practitioners also held qualifications in clinical psychology.

As I said earlier psychology is an area where many people pretend to be qualified, and their actions give the subject a poor name. But at its core is an enormous body of empirical knowledge. But...yes...few, if any, "proper" psychologists would claim to understand the human mind.

Offline Aspen

Previous post is a bit of a rant. Can we get back to the subject, please. Speaking for myself, I've yet to come across one of these self-styled "psychology students" working in the sex industry.

It's not a rant, it's a response. You have the choice whether to read or not, and I suggest you exercise that choice and not whimper about it.

I have encountered at least two WG's who 'claimed' to be past or present psychology students.
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Offline Aspen

As Maxx has already pointed out, you're just factually wrong in your first statement. A practitioner of psychology is called a psychologist.

Er, no, I am not factually wrong. I didn't say a psychiatrist is a practitioner of psychology. I concede I could have expanded more to make it clearer i.e. that a psychologist is a practitioner of psychology, and a psychiatrist is a practitioner of psychiatry :yawn: (but isn't that rather obvious anyway). But there again I am not writing on here to win or lose, I am just contributing discussion, which is now thanks to this nit picking, bordering on becoming boring. I've got better things to do. If I didn't have I could probably beat you and/or most other people on here in a competitive debate. But I've got much better things to do, and I would hope you do too.

As I said earlier psychology is an area where many people pretend to be qualified, and their actions give the subject a poor name. But at its core is an enormous body of empirical knowledge. But...yes...few, if any, "proper" psychologists would claim to understand the human mind.

I agree with that, but not, as I've already pointed out, what you said earlier.
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Offline CBPaul

Seen two English student girls, one said she was studying psychology and the other business management, I believed neither. On the other hand I seen a good few Polish WGs who claim to be nurses.



 

Offline CBPaul

It's not a rant, it's a response. You have the choice whether to read or not, and I suggest you exercise that choice and not whimper about it.

I have encountered at least two WG's who 'claimed' to be past or present psychology students.

Yes we have the choice whether to read a post or not, but that decision can only be based on the title. Of course we could also read the OP a decide whether to continue with the rest of the thread. Realistically I will read a post and then decide whether it was of interest or a waste of my time, I don't know what is in a post until I have read it do I, so flippant statements about having the choice of to read or not are nonsense frankly.


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