Breakdancing is now an Olympic sport

[Gordon Bennett]

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Not really sure to be honest. Can't see I'd stay up to watch the finals but who knows.. maybe if a Brit is going for gold.

[Moby Dick]

Dressed in tracksuits wearing gold medals from the outset, how would you know they hadn’t just slipped off the podium rolling around on the floor clutching their legs in pain.

[Fuzzyduck]

I can see why the IOC would include something like this but it's a fucking joke. It's not about sport in the spirit of the Olympics; it's about money. I doubt squash will ever get a look in.

[mr.bluesky]

Dressed in tracksuits wearing gold medals from the outset, how would you know they hadn’t just slipped off the podium rolling around on the floor clutching their legs in pain.

I think your getting confused with footballers    considering you have dancing horses ( dressage or whatever it's called) you might as well have break dancing. Conkers, tiddlywinks and snakes and ladders is next.

[winkywanky]

Dressed in tracksuits wearing gold medals from the outset, how would you know they hadn’t just slipped off the podium rolling around on the floor clutching their legs in pain.

 

[winkywanky]

I tend to think it's bollocks. But actually, is it much different from Figure Skating in the Winter Olympics?

Presumably there are known moves of a particular 'difficulty' which might be assessed objectively, plus the 'artistic element'?

Any ex-Council estate reprobates on here who might like to comment on the scene?

[timsussex]

 would remove any event from the Olympics and winter Olympics that required a judges score

Refs and Umps are needed to ensure rules are followed but not to decide a winner

anyone care to translate the new Olympic motto

Faster Higher Stronger Prettier

[hermanmunster]

Remember, town planning was an olympic event. A well known quiz question.

[Fuzzyduck]

Remember, town planning was an olympic event. A well known quiz question.

Extraordinary.
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[Gordon Bennett]

I can see why the IOC would include something like this but it's a fucking joke. It's not about sport in the spirit of the Olympics; it's about money. I doubt squash will ever get a look in.

Squash isn't televisual though. Looks like two people running about swatting a fly. Maybe with modernn 4K tellies you could actually see the ball I suppose but it's not exactly a sport you can watch on your phone/tablet.

[Fuzzyduck]

Squash isn't televisual though. Looks like two people running about swatting a fly. Maybe with modernn 4K tellies you could actually see the ball I suppose but it's not exactly a sport you can watch on your phone/tablet.

And that's the point It's all about money. Agreed it doesn't show as well as other sports but there's probably enough interest from people who like squash to make it successful. There are other sports that are easier to televise and watch but quite frankly are totally dull unless you are into it. e.g. the 10k swim.

[Corus Boy]

Possibly to attract a younger audience?

[winkywanky]

Possibly to attract a younger audience?

That's appalling, you'll be saying they're trying to maximise advertising revenue next 

[Corus Boy]

And of course, they'll be trying to maximise advertising revenue especially from fashionable clothing and trainer companies!

[winkywanky]

...what, you mean Adidas, Nike and all the others will simultaneously (yet completely coincidentally) bring out whole new Breakdancing ranges? 

[Corus Boy]

...what, you mean Adidas, Nike and all the others will simultaneously (yet completely coincidentally) bring out whole new Breakdancing ranges? 

Or for the South London Steet Dancing Team;

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[george r]

what a load of shite !!!

[Liverpool]

Given how gymnastic and artistic break dancing can be, it is only a good thing that it considered for the Olympics.

[Moby Dick]

Given how gymnastic and artistic break dancing can be, it is only a good thing that it considered for the Olympics.

Could say the same for Pole Dancing....
That would get me little Moby’s full attention.

[mr.bluesky]

Could say the same for Pole Dancing....
That would get me little Moby’s full attention.

That and female mud wrestling. 

[billybobsmith]

Has breakdancing even been a thing since the early 80s?

Suppose we could stick "Diversity" in as the British team.

TikTok dances for the 2028 Olympics followed by computing gaming I'm now expecting.

[winkywanky]

That and female mud wrestling. 

Mixed Doubles Mud-Wrestling might be even better  .

[Liverpool]

Has breakdancing even been a thing since the early 80s?

Yes, there are yearly world championships and I was due to go to the UK championships until Covid, as a spectator.

[timsussex]

A few years ago  was having a discussion with a swimming coach who was extolling the virtues of synchronised swimming and he clamed that they were very fit and that I  couldn't perform the routines to which I  replied that  I couldn't but then I cant pick my nose with my big toe but that doesn't make it an Olympic event

[gonewest]

would remove any event from the Olympics and winter Olympics that required a judges score

Refs and Umps are needed to ensure rules are followed but not to decide a winner

anyone care to translate the new Olympic motto

Faster Higher Stronger Prettier

Completely agree.  The history of rows caused by highly dubious umpiring is dreadful.  eg boxing and skating in the Winter Olympics

[Blackpool Rock]

I can see why the IOC would include something like this but it's a fucking joke. It's not about sport in the spirit of the Olympics; it's about money. I doubt squash will ever get a look in.

More bollocks, what next drive by shooting and synchronised stabbing 

There's already an X Games for sports that are outside the Olympics though BMX is now also in the Olympics
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Squash was mentioned on the news when they announced this shit was in.

I did think that Parkour should be in before this and found this article, looks like some are trying to get it included but there is a battle going on within the sports governing bodies
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[Blackpool Rock]

Mixed Doubles Mud-Wrestling might be even better  .

You'd have to have a slightly different medal structure though

Gold
Silver
Bronze
Pearl necklace 

[Corus Boy]

I can imagine Parcour being to dangerous for the Olympics!

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[sparkus]

I don't even remember a single thing about the last Olympics in 2016, apart from the swimming pool that went green.  This year's has been shunted to next year and may not even happen, so I can forgive the IOC for trying to refresh things and make it different in time for 2024.

[Mancunian99]

Having been to a number of Breakdancing events around Europe and a couple in the UK back in my younger days (as a viewer that is) I am personally excited by this however I do agree that I could never have imagined it being an Olympic Sport. Very odd decision.....it is however enjoying to watch a good B-Boy or B-Girl battle. Rhythmic Gymnasts with more funk!? South Korean Crews had emerged as the top dogs around 10 years back, I'm not quite up to date now.

[rickyponting]

A lot of people hating on its inclusion,but gymnastics has been in the Olympics for years,is it that much different?

[Marmalade]

I would like to think that one day the Olympics would be reformed largely along ancient lines, a celebration of excellence for the ancient Greek Gods. The Olympic Museum in Lausanne – a beautiful place by the way – still retains something of that spirit. It reminds us of the whole point, the point of becoming great, a beacon and triumph of the human spirit to inspire.

It's a physical thing, the beauty of physical strength and excellence in the human body. That meant that for a long time women were not allowed to compete as they are not as strong physically. It also was considered a contest of virtue, as only great moral strength provided the courage and will to win.

They were performed naked, the same way we see in famous statues of Greek art.

The word "gymnasium" comes from the Greek word "γυμνός," meaning naked, and these structures began to proliferate in Greece of the 6th century BCE. The institution of the gymnasium within Greek culture was inextricably linked to education and the conditioning of the body along with the mind, but they were also a link to sculpture, ceramics and other art forms.

A woman eventually won by disguising herself as a man in a chariot race. She was a Spartan, trained to fight. They started to change the rules then but I don't know that they ever let women perform naked.

Of course they should. Most athletic sports don't portray the body sufficiently. It's the body that is competing, it's not chess! I like watching the sports where the body can be viewed in its achievement, especially the artistic gymnastics. Today, more women have a good attitude than men. It's something that is lacking since ancient times when the great athletes had a reverence before the Gods, swore an oath to Zeus and sought to win a place worthy of the heroes and demigods.

[Xtro]

Dressed in tracksuits wearing gold medals from the outset, how would you know they hadn’t just slipped off the podium rolling around on the floor clutching their legs in pain.

    

...what, you mean Adidas, Nike and all the others will simultaneously (yet completely coincidentally) bring out whole new Breakdancing ranges? 

They are related......  Adolf Dassler and his brother Rudolf.

Has breakdancing even been a thing since the early 80s?
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Yes, and it's actually evolved a lot since then. You should check out some old Style2ouf videos (1999-2011) and the World of Dance (2008-), which has become a TV series since 2017.
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Strength, balance, coordination, flexibility, control! What more do you want?
Some will also be able to participate in the paralympics. A couple of examples within this video.
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It's Marmite I guess. 

[winkywanky]

They are related......  Adolf Dassler and his brother Rudolf.

You're confusing Nike with Puma Xtro 

AFAIK Rudolf left his brother to start up Puma.

(That was of course after his reindeer business went down the pan after he got prosecuted for copyright theft).

[winkywanky]

I would like to think that one day the Olympics would be reformed largely along ancient lines, a celebration of excellence for the ancient Greek Gods. The Olympic Museum in Lausanne – a beautiful place by the way – still retains something of that spirit. It reminds us of the whole point, the point of becoming great, a beacon and triumph of the human spirit to inspire.

It's a physical thing, the beauty of physical strength and excellence in the human body. That meant that for a long time women were not allowed to compete as they are not as strong physically. It also was considered a contest of virtue, as only great moral strength provided the courage and will to win.

They were performed naked, the same way we see in famous statues of Greek art.
A woman eventually won by disguising herself as a man in a chariot race. She was a Spartan, trained to fight. They started to change the rules then but I don't know that they ever let women perform naked.

Of course they should. Most athletic sports don't portray the body sufficiently. It's the body that is competing, it's not chess! I like watching the sports where the body can be viewed in its achievement, especially the artistic gymnastics. Today, more women have a good attitude than men. It's something that is lacking since ancient times when the great athletes had a reverence before the Gods, swore an oath to Zeus and sought to win a place worthy of the heroes and demigods.

Blimey Marmalade, isn't all that skintight lycra enough for you?

Track & Field is full of tight-fitting costumes now, even the strength stuff like Discus and Javelin where the lessening of wind resistance means virtually nothing.

I think it's fair to say that in pretty well all the truly 'athletic' events, where outright speed, endurance and absolute strength are required for victory, costumes are skintight now.

Nudity of course is another matter entirely, and I have to say that in my own case as I get older, my deep appreciation of the athletic form is often sexual. Literally fit birds are a huge turn on for me, even to the exclusion of mammary tissue. A lithe, muscular female athlete has me slavering even more than an episode of Strictly Come Dancing.

Naked Beach Darts, anyone? 

[Xtro]

You're confusing Nike with Puma Xtro 

AFAIK Rudolf left his brother to start up Puma.

(That was of course after his reindeer business went down the pan after he got prosecuted for copyright theft).

I stand corrected.   

(Of course, I was simply setting you up for that topical Rudolph joke!)       

A Russian couple were strolling down the street in Moscow, when the husband felt a drop hit his nose. 'I think it's starting to rain,' he said to his wife.
'I don't think so, it felt more like snow to me,' she replied.
'No, I'm sure it was just rain, he said.' Well, as these things go, they were about to have a major argument about whether it was raining or snowing. Just then they saw a minor communist party official walking toward them. 'Let's not fight about it,' the man said, 'let's ask the Comrade whether it's officially raining or snowing.'
As the official approached, the husband stopped him and asked, 'Tell us, Comrade Rudolph, is it officially raining or snowing?'
'It's raining, of course,' he answered and walked on. But the woman insisted: 'I know that felt like snow!'

To which the man quietly replied: 'Rudolph the Red knows rain, dear!'

[Marmalade]

Blimey Marmalade, isn't all that skintight lycra enough for you?

Track & Field is full of tight-fitting costumes now, even the strength stuff like Discus and Javelin where the lessening of wind resistance means virtually nothing.

I think it's fair to say that in pretty well all the truly 'athletic' events, where outright speed, endurance and absolute strength are required for victory, costumes are skintight now.

Yes but we watch them on television, which doesn't give a sustained picture of the individual athlete from head to foot. Discus, Javelin, Long Jump, High Jump, these are still about an individual, as is the case with gymnastic events. For all we can see of track they could be automatons or greyhounds with the occasional panting headshot montaged on.

[winkywanky]

What you need is a 55" (at least) OLED 4K telly 

[winkywanky]

Also brilliant for the films you love so much.

[paper7]

Breakdancing for the Olympics, whatever next - poodle sheering?

[Marmalade]

What you need is a 55" (at least) OLED 4K telly 
Also brilliant for the films you love so much.

I beg to differ. A friend has some state of the art tv the size of a jeep swears it's as good as cinema, but that may be because he doesn't go to the cinema without a gun to his head so he can hardly tell, can he.

Even if you spend 20K on an 88" OLED it's not a cinema screen and it certainly isn't a cinema experience. Just my opinion. 

[Marmalade]

Breakdancing for the Olympics, whatever next - poodle sheering?

How about keyboard gymnastics on a punting board? The sort where you never mention punting....

I've seen some tossers that never post a review but you don't even seem to spraff on the subject. Sure you are on the right forum mate?

[winkywanky]

I beg to differ. A friend has some state of the art tv the size of a jeep swears it's as good as cinema, but that may be because he doesn't go to the cinema without a gun to his head so he can hardly tell, can he.

Even if you spend 20K on an 88" OLED it's not a cinema screen and it certainly isn't a cinema experience. Just my opinion. 

A lot of modern TVs look shit. And they come with all manner of crap which needs turning off in the settings to get a natural-looking picture. Even my OLED didn't look as good as it does now, until I researched some anoraky guy on the internet with an oscilloscope and the knowhow to get my particular model looking right.

The size of the screen alone is immaterial anyway, it's to do with resolution (number of pixels) and then screen size, coupled with how far away you sit from it. An 88" one is no 'better' than a 55", if you adjust the viewing distance to suit then what you see is effectively identical. Your mate's TV may be a shit TV, and unless he's spent some time setting it up it's probably got false 'sharpness', 'enhanced contrast', some kind of smooth-motion rubbish ruining the way it looks. It may well look great on The Simpsons but horrible with a nicely shot and lit film.

4K is directly comparable with 35mm film in terms of resolution (pixels vs. film grain), but obvs all the other settings, plus the actual panel quality and 'engine' are vastly important in getting a good-looking and truly neutral picture. And with HDR the contrast ratio is approaching cinema levels.

The sound will be crap because all flatscreen TVs are. But then that's why you buy a decent 5.1 or 7.1 surround system to go with it.

So we can agree to differ.

I do go to the cinema probably 15 times a year, and of course, sitting at home is not quite the same. But what I like at home is the lack of spotty teenagers talking and rustling all the way through the film, plus the deaf old dodderers who talk, and talk loudly.

[Marmalade]

35mm and OLED is apples and oranges Winky. OLED is the best TV so if you compare it to the best cinema that would be up against 12K, even before we get to the sound (which has made enormous technical advancements for cinema). But the issue is not resolution but size. Imagine it was a painting. You can’t physically represent the same detail in 50” as you can with the size of a building. Most people don’t care and most movies that don’t have guaranteed cinema box office are shot with that in mind. (My friend works in the industry incidentally — high quality sound and vision, not cinema, so I guess his kit is top end, another reason why I believe he’s super-attached to it.)

Most of this year’s new releases are noticeably shot for the small screen. It’s not just facial emotion that is less visible unless shot medium to close: imagine a motorbike leaping from one rooftop to another rooftop, visually from one side of the auditorium to another, life size — about 70 feet — and then the stunt played on a dinky 50” OLED. I can well imagine Cruise going barmy at the thought of the new Mission Impossible being launched to a housebound pandemic locked down audience. But with most of this year’s dulled-down releases I’m pleased I won’t spend a trip to the cinema.

 

[Marmalade]

Good ideas on adjusting your settings btw — but I notice we are getting off-topic so we had better make it Olympic-friendly or our friendly Stasi may be feeling collars. Sadly watching a lithe young woman guessing on a bar in the artistic gymnastics section will not be likely a cinema option. I don’t fancy breakdancing olympics. Prefer Sumo I think.

[winkywanky]

35mm and OLED is apples and oranges Winky. OLED is the best TV so if you compare it to the best cinema that would be up against 12K, even before we get to the sound (which has made enormous technical advancements for cinema). But the issue is not resolution but size. Imagine it was a painting. You can’t physically represent the same detail in 50” as you can with the size of a building. Most people don’t care and most movies that don’t have guaranteed cinema box office are shot with that in mind. (My friend works in the industry incidentally — high quality sound and vision, not cinema, so I guess his kit is top end, another reason why I believe he’s super-attached to it.)

Most of this year’s new releases are noticeably shot for the small screen. It’s not just facial emotion that is less visible unless shot medium to close: imagine a motorbike leaping from one rooftop to another rooftop, visually from one side of the auditorium to another, life size — about 70 feet — and then the stunt played on a dinky 50” OLED. I can well imagine Cruise going barmy at the thought of the new Mission Impossible being launched to a housebound pandemic locked down audience. But with most of this year’s dulled-down releases I’m pleased I won’t spend a trip to the cinema.

 

To be honest, as you may well know, most feature films are actually shot on video cameras now. Very posh video cameras (with lots of post-production options to get the exact filmic look the director wants), but videocameras nevertheless. 35mm equates to 4K, 70mm equates to 8K. The actual resolution now isn't so much the thing between 'film' and video. The 'standard' resolution of the average feature film now is 4K. If you shoot it in 4K then seeing it at the cinema renders no more detail than watching on a 4K TV at home. 8K TVs are being introduced to the market now, and they are literally the equivalent of 70mm film. IMAX I think would be different, I'm not an expert on film by any means but I think that's something to do with which way up the film scans?

So cinema and a high quality viewing system at home ar not really that far apart, it becomes more and more about the environment you view a film in, distance from the screen, the viewing angle, and the ambient lighting conditions.

I understand your example of the motorbike leaping across the big screen in a cinema, but in actual fact the same effect across your actual field of vision would be achieved by sitting perhaps closer to the TV at home. So if you were for example sitting 140' back from a 70' wide cinema screen, your mate sitting 12-13' back from his 88" TV would achieve the same field of vision (an 88" TV has a screen width of roughly 77"). I sit around 13' back from my 55" TV and I remember thinking how much bigger it was than my old 42" Plasma when it was new. An 88" would seem enormous from that distance but infact it would be similar to the cinema experience quoted above. I think it's actually much more to do with the viewing context of your front room compared with going to the cinema, as much as anything else. If you set up your front room like this it would be fantastic for watching film, but when the News came on it would seem like you were looking up the newsreader's nostrils.

The way something is shot is of course influenced by where it's intended to end up, be that TV or cinema. And the lines have been very much blurred now, with more stuff being made with TV in mind, but of course TVs have got a lot bigger over time so I think there's not that much difference? Certainly not nearly as much as there used to be with your old 4:3 aspect ratio 26" Sony Trinitron or Panasonic Quintrix in the far corner of your room, rather than on the wall opposite you.

[Marmalade]

We could go on with the discussion but a) it’s off topic, and b) I don’t think either of us are in any hurry to be convinced by the other’s arguments (I certainly don’t accept yours). We’ve both, I assume, experienced a very high quality large home screen and an equally state-of-the-art cinema screen and I honestly think that anyone who can’t tell the difference should get along to Specsavers. You clearly don’t. So let’s leave it there!

[winkywanky]

We could go on with the discussion but a) it’s off topic, and b) I don’t think either of us are in any hurry to be convinced by the other’s arguments (I certainly don’t accept yours). We’ve both, I assume, experienced a very high quality large home screen and an equally state-of-the-art cinema screen and I honestly think that anyone who can’t tell the difference should get along to Specsavers. You clearly don’t. So let’s leave it there!

a) It is

b) we're not

c) I'm off to Specsavers

[paper7]

How about keyboard gymnastics on a punting board? The sort where you never mention punting....

I've seen some tossers that never post a review but you don't even seem to spraff on the subject. Sure you are on the right forum mate?

No point punting, we are in lockdown, and it looks like it will go on till the middle of the year (2021) and thanks to the fact that my health is extremely ropey now I'm not going anywhere until either Covid is done or I've had the vaccine (IF I'm allowed it!) Until then I shall continue to live like a hermit!

Merry Christmas!

P.S. Poodle clipping DID actually make it to the 1894 Paris Olympics I believe.

[Liverpool]

No point punting, we are in lockdown, and it looks like it will go on till the middle of the year (2021) and thanks to the fact that my health is extremely ropey now I'm not going anywhere until either Covid is done or I've had the vaccine (IF I'm allowed it!) Until then I shall continue to live like a hermit!

Merry Christmas!

P.S. Poodle clipping DID actually make it to the 1894 Paris Olympics I believe.

You didn't go anywhere before Covid, so as someone else asked you, what's the point of you being on a PUNTING forum when you don't punt and don't look like you've ever punted?