The coldness of hookers

[JonasG]

This is a old debate. surely people are sensible on this site to realise that escorts are being paid to have sex with a punter. They do not care about you, your family, your kids, your job. They just want your money and out as quickly as possible.

Try and approach these escorts with no money and see what happens.

It's not as black and white as this. Obviously they wouldn't see you if they won't get paid. (Would you do your job for free lol)

And obviously they don't care about our families lol. (Just like we don't about theirs)

As long as they put on a good show, that's what it's all about.

It's like working in your industry. I'm nice to clients and friendly because I want the custom, I'm not that bothered by their lives. Just like your local kebab shop guy bonds with customers to keep them coming back. Working life is all a big game anyway, as long as you're happy with the service, there's no point trying to work if she really cares about me. It doesn't matter.

I know sex is different but it's the same mentality.

It doesn't need reiterating that they wouldn't see us if they wouldn't get paid.

I think the analogy of it being a business transaction fits only in some cases. It may work for you as a punter but I don't think it works for the SP.

I think a more apt comparison is in a retail or customer facing environment. If you have ever worked behind a bar or in a restaurant or shop you will know you have customers that you'll enjoy seeing and serving and those that don't. .

Those with an attitude, an air of expectation or entitlement will get a standard of service, but the smile will be painted and the one everyone else receives.

This doesn't apply in all cases. You get crap serving and shop staff as well who can't even manage the basics in a customer facing position. There may be other reasons for this and we all have bad days too, but basically I think a lot of the time you get the standard of service that you attitude deserves and not the amount of money you hand over.

Exactly.

I used to manage a bookies years ago and it's natural there were some regular customers you liked better and gave better service to and went the extra mile for cos they weren't cocks like some others. Who I was more "off" with.

That's life.

[cotton]

It’s a sweeping stereotypical generalisation and/or an assumption with no facts to back it up based on maybe your own experiences, the industry norm or what other WGs have told you. There will always be exceptions to the rule in any profession.

Just accept you do not know if some were into him or not. You also do not know if it was genuine fondness in a brief encounter or an act. Some guys have a knack of making WGs feel
good about themselves in the murky world of cock and paid pussy. This can lead to being attracted to the punter so an excellent punt follows unscripted no acting involved.

Any claim that you do know he was lied to or fooled as fact rather than your own assumption (you were not there) is absolute poppycock.

As I said in my first post on this thread I do chuckle when some posters post statements and then try to dress them up as punting facts.

Or some guys have a fondness for deluding themselves that they have a knack for making WGs feel good about themselves in the murky world of cock and paid pussy.
Its not difficult turn up be polite , be pleasant , pay your money and enjoy your experience , its not like youve discovered to the long lost secret formulae to pleasing a hooker 

[Jerk Chicken]

The only thing I would say about his statement is that if he is so attractive then why is he seeing escorts? Surely he can pick up any girl if he is that attractive, unless he has a confidence issue which is a different issue in itself.

Oh come on .... we all punt for different reasons I still fuck the odd civvie picked up from a bar in central but in my personal situation it is far too complicated and risky to do so on a regular basis. A fuck with a WG gives me what I want. He could be the same I don’t know.

[daviemac]

It's all about if she puts up a good illusion and makes it SEEM like she's into it.

That's it.

Whenever I read review and it says I made her orgasm it makes me laugh.

To be honest your attitude is just as bad as those who think they make every escort orgasm every time. It doesn't really matter whether it's a paid or civvy encounter there will be times when the girl orgasms and time when they don't.

To say that no escort ever climaxes with a punter is just not true, however to say an escort is more likely to fake it certainly is.

I know that some escorts I've been with have genuinely had an orgasm some of the times I've seen them, I also know that a lot haven't.

I most certainly know they wouldn't be shagging me if I wasn't paying but that doesn't mean they can't, at times, get into the sex part and actually enjoy what I'm doing. I pay to do what I enjoy doing to a woman, as long as what I'm doing is something they offer and they don't dislike it then all's good, if they actually enjoy it and get something out of it then that's a bonus for them.

[Jerk Chicken]

No. It's called common sense that I understand that some were actually into him and some pretended they were into him.
Reading comprehension clearly isn't your forte so I won't bother with you any further.

This is always the get out clause when one fails to admit they make stupid statements and then cannot back it up with hardcore facts.

Common sense in understanding the statistical basis of your fundamentally flawed statement is clearly lost on you. Google statistical modelling and link that to @payyourwaymate’s post if you’re unsure what I mean.

I still recall your half baked Covid theory that you could fuck a punter, isolate for 2 weeks and all will be fine and then fuck another one with no Covid risk despite evidence staring you in the face to the contrary/in the public domain .

I rest my case!

[Marmalade]

  to Hobbit for a nicely-written opening rant that is hard to disagree with, and to Smiths for straight-up biblical sense.

If I can add anything to such wise words it would be, don’t try to analyse a p4p. Accept it for what it is. Women are hard enough to fathom at the best of times, like some insoluble Chinese puzzle, and women with an act (eg p4p) are no exception, possibly even more so. It’s a waste of time and brain power. They do their thing, whatever it is, we can just take it or leave it.

[Doc Holliday]

To be honest your attitude is just as bad as those who think they make every escort orgasm every time. It doesn't really matter whether it's a paid or civvy encounter there will be times when the girl orgasms and time when they don't.

To say that no escort ever climaxes with a punter is just not true, however to say an escort is more likely to fake it certainly is.

I know that some escorts I've been with have genuinely had an orgasm some of the times I've seen them, I also know that a lot haven't.

I most certainly know they wouldn't be shagging me if I wasn't paying but that doesn't mean they can't, at times, get into the sex part and actually enjoy what I'm doing. I pay to do what I enjoy doing to a woman, as long as what I'm doing is something they offer and they don't dislike it then all's good, if they actually enjoy it and get something out of it then that's a bonus for them.

Yes ... the reality really is that simple. 'Spectrum' is the appropriate term again.

[Doc Holliday]

If I can add anything to such wise words it would be, don’t try to analyse a p4p. Accept it for what it is. Women are hard enough to fathom at the best of times, like some insoluble Chinese puzzle, and women with an act (eg p4p) are no exception, possibly even more so. It’s a waste of time and brain power. They do their thing, whatever it is, we can just take it or leave it.

Difficult to disagree with that .... however ...

I've met hot guys in this job, I've met guys I've been into. I've never denied that it happens.

As long as the above happens ... which it does (albeit on a very small scale) some punters will continue to long to genuinely be 'that special one'. 

... and the act that most are happy with won't cover the fantasy.

[Marmalade]

As long as the above happens ... which it does (albeit on a very small scale) some punters will continue to long to genuinely be 'that special one'. 

... and the act that most are happy with won't cover the fantasy.

It’s really better not to say this IMO and even better if the p4p member hadn’t offered he well-meaning ‘insight’ but ...

Here’s the scale

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I had a good friend who worked for a season as a whore. She said to me that the thought of money could genuinely make her horny. It’s not that different IMO to a woman who salivates in heart shapes at the thought of a man who will pay for her house, her food and kids for her foreseeable future. They even kid themselves they’re not whores at heart.

We don’t really need to take it up because we don’t have to analyse her brain or how much she ‘likes’ it or why. Let her do her job. Rate her accordingly. No-one needs get upset. Everyone enjoys their fantasy if that is their taste or whatever. Doesn’t change the facts. We’ve gone down this road before...

You will think I’m hard hearted perhaps. I’m not. I simply ‘care’ about her for who and what she is, which I think is the greatest respect that can be shown to anyone.

[Hobbit]

Exactly. Punters worrying about the WG actually truly being into it are nuts and they're in the wrong hobby or are looking at getting something different from this.

It's all about if she puts up a good illusion and makes it SEEM like she's into it.

That's it.

Whenever I read review and it says I made her orgasm it makes me laugh.

Yes, precisely! The illusion needs to seem real or close to it. However, many hookers can't even do that properly. 

[Hobbit]

Oh come on .... we all punt for different reasons I still fuck the odd civvie picked up from a bar in central but in my personal situation it is far too complicated and risky to do so on a regular basis. A fuck with a WG gives me what I want. He could be the same I don’t know.

True but one doesn't brag about how attractive one is.

[Hobbit]

to Hobbit for a nicely-written opening rant that is hard to disagree with, and to Smiths for straight-up biblical sense.

If I can add anything to such wise words it would be, don’t try to analyse a p4p. Accept it for what it is. Women are hard enough to fathom at the best of times, like some insoluble Chinese puzzle, and women with an act (eg p4p) are no exception, possibly even more so. It’s a waste of time and brain power. They do their thing, whatever it is, we can just take it or leave it.

Fair enough. 

[Marmalade]

This is always the get out clause when one fails to admit they make stupid statements and then cannot back it up with hardcore facts.

Rochelle has been around on the forum for quite a while and that’s no mean feat. Most p4ps can’t take it. So she’s probably not that bad. To put it in context, if you’ve ever been married (or imagine you have), there will be times when your wife talked what down the pub we might technically term bollocks. But women and children have their uses, so we’re kind when they say silly things (which they often even believe).

I’m only saying this otherwise she could bigger off and we don’t have a p4p’s input.  (which I’m not completely against — it’s decorative) But if she does it too much, youre right, female visitors to the forum need a firm hand occasionally. I’m sure she knows how much she can get away with. 

[Doc Holliday]

We’ve gone down this road before...

Once or twice or thrice or.. 

[Rochelle]

Rochelle has been around on the forum for quite a while and that’s no mean feat. Most p4ps can’t take it. So she’s probably not that bad. To put it in context, if you’ve ever been married (or imagine you have), there will be times when your wife talked what down the pub we might technically term bollocks. But women and children have their uses, so we’re kind when they say silly things (which they often even believe).

I’m only saying this otherwise she could bigger off and we don’t have a p4p’s input.  (which I’m not completely against — it’s decorative) But if she does it too much, youre right, female visitors to the forum need a firm hand occasionally. I’m sure she knows how much she can get away with. 

Question: Do you believe every escort that paid you a compliment or told you they fancied you or were attracted to you?

[Marmalade]

Question: Do you believe every escort that paid you a compliment or told you they fancied you or were attracted to you?

I neither believe it or disbelieve it. If said with grace snd charm it is pleasant.

[Rochelle]

I neither believe it or disbelieve it. If said with grace snd charm it is pleasant.

I've never had you down as the diplomatic type. Okay.

[Doc Holliday]

Question: Do you believe every escort that paid you a compliment or told you they fancied you or were attracted to you?

Yes .. but my surname is Mourhino 

[Rochelle]

Yes .. but my surname is Mourhino 

Is that so? I'd fancy you too.

[Hobbit]

Question: Do you believe every escort that paid you a compliment or told you they fancied you or were attracted to you?

Whenever an escort pays me a compliment like that I normally point them in the direction of Specsavers.

[Doc Holliday]

Is that so? I'd fancy you too.

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[Payyourwaymate]

True but one doesn't brag about how attractive one is.

What is your problem man. I already stated it was not my intention to come off as boasting or bragging and I apologised for the misunderstanding. I try my best to be as transparent as possible removing bias where possible.  If you have something you want to say address me directly instead of making indirect references to my posts. I was going to address why I see Wgs although I have stated why before but its clear you have already made up your mind about me so I struggle to see the point to explain. I'm disappointed still, you would rather make little jabs than to ask me directly to clarify even though I have repeatedly stated I am always open to discussion.

[Gambitman92]

The only thing I would say about his statement is that if he is so attractive then why is he seeing escorts? Surely he can pick up any girl if he is that attractive, unless he has a confidence issue which is a different issue in itself.

We all comes in different ages, sizes and looks, and we all have our own reasons. He's probably like me were he can get laid but something made him start punting. I started punting last year due to a new job which had me working evenings and nights, I then fell into the "lazy" trap of just paying for it instead of putting in some effort with real women.

I told my self that paying a woman £50-£70 for sex was better than speaking to a woman, wasting my time travelling, going somewhere to eat, paying for our food then maybe I have a chance of taking her back to mine.

I stopped punting in June and have been seeing regular women since, best decision I've made, punting is fun but it's nothing compared to an actual woman really being into you plus I enjoy the company (to me alteast, we're all different).

I'm sure he has his own reasons.

[JonasG]

To be honest your attitude is just as bad as those who think they make every escort orgasm every time. It doesn't really matter whether it's a paid or civvy encounter there will be times when the girl orgasms and time when they don't.

To say that no escort ever climaxes with a punter is just not true, however to say an escort is more likely to fake it certainly is.

I know that some escorts I've been with have genuinely had an orgasm some of the times I've seen them, I also know that a lot haven't.

I most certainly know they wouldn't be shagging me if I wasn't paying but that doesn't mean they can't, at times, get into the sex part and actually enjoy what I'm doing. I pay to do what I enjoy doing to a woman, as long as what I'm doing is something they offer and they don't dislike it then all's good, if they actually enjoy it and get something out of it then that's a bonus for them.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying no WG ever orgasms (might've come across like that in my post but wasn't my intention).

But the sheer number of reviews that say she orgasmed definitely seem to be in the OTT territory I think.

And of course a WG can enjoy themselves, I've had punts where she has and you see it written on SAAFE too. That's not my attitude at all but I think some punters are too worried about "Is she into it?" Or "She doesn't really want to see me". Etc. When they shouldn't.

Or all you can do is be nice, friendly, don't try to be too controlling and be hygienic and the rest is down to her putting on a good show hopefully.

If she truly enjoys herself, truly likes you etc they're bonuses for sure. As long as her pretence was believable I'm happy.

[JonasG]

We all comes in different ages, sizes and looks, and we all have our own reasons. He's probably like me were he can get laid but something made him start punting. I started punting last year due to a new job which had me working evenings and nights, I then fell into the "lazy" trap of just paying for it instead of putting in some effort with real women.

I told my self that paying a woman £50-£70 for sex was better than speaking to a woman, wasting my time travelling, going somewhere to eat, paying for our food then maybe I have a chance of taking her back to mine.

I stopped punting in June and have been seeing regular women since, best decision I've made, punting is fun but it's nothing compared to an actual woman really being into you plus I enjoy the company (to me alteast, we're all different).

I'm sure he has his own reasons.

Getting lazy is spot on.

I started punting in 2017 aged 28 cos I got out of a LTR and got sucked into this slowly. Another thing I've noticed is any attention you get or chance to get with a 6/10 girl now you kinda fob off or don't bother pursuing cos you think you can just bang a 8 or 9/10 from AW or it's not worth putting the effort in when before I would've jumped at the chance at the 6/10 girl flirting.

Which is a bad sign.

[Mr Doodle]

This is always the get out clause when one fails to admit they make stupid statements and then cannot back it up with hardcore facts.

Common sense in understanding the statistical basis of your fundamentally flawed statement is clearly lost on you. Google statistical modelling and link that to @payyourwaymate’s post if you’re unsure what I mean.

Just because stats have not been presented nor can be relied on in this case does not make the statement flawed. Payyourwaymate's comment was something along the lines of most of the WGs were into him and a few were plainly not. Rochelle's statement was of those that were into him, not all were.. OK - she was being definitive in her statement, but in the absence of her (or anyone else) providing a statistical analysis to back it up, she is probably relying on something we don't have - her experience. No doubt, she has found some men that woud normally be attractive to women as unattractive but in her job, put on a good show of pretending to be attracted to them. By no means a statistically valid population, nor directly involving Payyourownwaymate (or maybe it did??) but extrapolation through proxy can sometimes be the closest thing to rely on. It may be that every WG that said they were attracted to PYOWM was.. but, on the assumption he sees quite a few different ones, the probability is not all actually found him attractive and were stoking his ego (as they no doubt to all of us).. I have had a couple of WGs comment on my being an Adonis between the sheets.. which is plainly BS (and I usually respond with "That's what you say to all the fellas").

I still recall your half baked Covid theory that you could fuck a punter, isolate for 2 weeks and all will be fine and then fuck another one with no Covid risk despite evidence staring you in the face to the contrary/in the public domain .

I rest my case!

Hmm.. haven't seen one, but depending on her age, the probability may be that she is not a risk to them... as in 2 weeks, symptoms will start coming out - if she is not asymptomatic - in which case she should continue to isolate. But definitely there would be risk... You can rest your case, but while Rochelle may not be leared in immunology, she is more learned in WG and what they do...

Anyway, getting back to the discussion...

Most WGs (and the one WTS) I have seen have generally been nice and I have left more or less totally satisfied based on my expectation, which is not the same as if it was a civvie who was attracted and wanted to spend time with me (few and far between...) Quite simply, if one is punting to get the same experience as a hot nympho who is into you, you're never going to be 100% satisfied (or more statistically correct - the probability you will be 100% satisfied is negligible).

[Hobbit]

What is your problem man. I already stated it was not my intention to come off as boasting or bragging and I apologised for the misunderstanding. I try my best to be as transparent as possible removing bias where possible.  If you have something you want to say address me directly instead of making indirect references to my posts. I was going to address why I see Wgs although I have stated why before but its clear you have already made up your mind about me so I struggle to see the point to explain. I'm disappointed still, you would rather make little jabs than to ask me directly to clarify even though I have repeatedly stated I am always open to discussion.

I've got nothing against you, I don't even know you. You could even be my uncle as far as I know.

Anyway, it's fine. I initially thought you were boasting so I'm glad you cleared that up. You and I are here for the same reason that is pussy. So let's stick to that.

[Hobbit]

We all comes in different ages, sizes and looks, and we all have our own reasons. He's probably like me were he can get laid but something made him start punting. I started punting last year due to a new job which had me working evenings and nights, I then fell into the "lazy" trap of just paying for it instead of putting in some effort with real women.

I told my self that paying a woman £50-£70 for sex was better than speaking to a woman, wasting my time travelling, going somewhere to eat, paying for our food then maybe I have a chance of taking her back to mine.

I stopped punting in June and have been seeing regular women since, best decision I've made, punting is fun but it's nothing compared to an actual woman really being into you plus I enjoy the company (to me alteast, we're all different).

I'm sure he has his own reasons.

As I have got older I have started to find actually having conversations with women after a shag quite boring. For me, they have to be intelligent enough to have a decent conversation about various topics but even then, after I cum, I just want them to fuck off so I can spend some quality time with Ms. Single-Malt.

So that's one bonus of seeing escorts that they leave after sex

[Bum Lovin Criminal]

You could look at it from another angle just for fun..

Would you be happy/bubbly and full of warmth if as an WG, you open the door to an arrogant, entitled, smelly breathed, hairy arsed, dick cheesed, badly wiped shitty

arsed, urine soaked pubes, spotty-cocked, food in stained teeth, dirty/sharp fingernailed, pongy socks that stand unaided, paint-stripping BO pits, fungal toenailed, 15st

pot-bellied, matted hair tobacco-stained, boundary pushing 6" 2 bloke with a flaky skin condition constantly hinting about BB'ing?..

[WelshClipper]

As I have got older I have started to find actually having conversations with women after a shag quite boring. For me, they have to be intelligent enough to have a decent conversation about various topics but even then, after I cum, I just want them to fuck off so I can spend some quality time with Ms. Single-Malt.

So that's one bonus of seeing escorts that they leave after sex

I am sorry, I must speak...

Everyone knows the main job of a wg is to provide sexual satisfaction to a punter for a fee.

But I am starting to think that your attitude towards them is one of the reasons that their profession remains on the periphery of society and continues to be frowned on by civvie life in general. A lack of understanding and a lack of respect destroys any chance of real change in that regard.

I know the service that they provide is there because there is a need. Just as any service industry is there because of a need. I certainly do not see them in any dimmer light.

Said my peace, take offence if you like.  End of. 

[Doc Holliday]

You could look at it from another angle just for fun..

Would you be happy/bubbly and full of warmth if as an WG, you open the door to an arrogant, entitled, smelly breathed, hairy arsed, dick cheesed, badly wiped shitty

arsed, urine soaked pubes, spotty-cocked, food in stained teeth, dirty/sharp fingernailed, pongy socks that stand unaided, paint-stripping BO pits, fungal toenailed, 15st

pot-bellied, matted hair tobacco-stained, boundary pushing 6" 2 bloke with a flaky skin condition constantly hinting about BB'ing?..

I think that is a typo and you meant 6' 2" ..... but in any case it is not accurate as I am only 5'10" 

[Bum Lovin Criminal]

I think that is a typo and you meant 6' 2" ..... but in any case it is not accurate as I am only 5'10" 

 

I've started taking better care of myself now though.... Iv'e had me toenails sorted..

[RedKettle]

I am sorry, I must speak...

Everyone knows the main job of a wg is to provide sexual satisfaction to a punter for a fee.

But I am starting to think that your attitude towards them is one of the reasons that their profession remains on the periphery of society and continues to be frowned on by civvie life in general. A lack of understanding and a lack of respect destroys any chance of real change in that regard.

I know the service that they provide is there because there is a need. Just as any service industry is there because of a need. I certainly do not see them in any dimmer light.

Said my peace, take offence if you like.  End of. 

I agree with the general thrust of what you say but I am not sure why the post you quoted has prompted the comments? For me as well one of the benefits of escorts is that I do not have to spend hours chatting to them. I hope to have a great hour with then that usually includes some chat, but then I get on with my life.  What is wrong with that?

[Rochelle]

Just because stats have not been presented nor can be relied on in this case does not make the statement flawed. Payyourwaymate's comment was something along the lines of most of the WGs were into him and a few were plainly not. Rochelle's statement was of those that were into him, not all were.. OK - she was being definitive in her statement, but in the absence of her (or anyone else) providing a statistical analysis to back it up, she is probably relying on something we don't have - her experience. No doubt, she has found some men that woud normally be attractive to women as unattractive but in her job, put on a good show of pretending to be attracted to them. By no means a statistically valid population, nor directly involving Payyourownwaymate (or maybe it did??) but extrapolation through proxy can sometimes be the closest thing to rely on. It may be that every WG that said they were attracted to PYOWM was.. but, on the assumption he sees quite a few different ones, the probability is not all actually found him attractive and were stoking his ego (as they no doubt to all of us).. I have had a couple of WGs comment on my being an Adonis between the sheets.. which is plainly BS (and I usually respond with "That's what you say to all the fellas").

Hmm.. haven't seen one, but depending on her age, the probability may be that she is not a risk to them... as in 2 weeks, symptoms will start coming out - if she is not asymptomatic - in which case she should continue to isolate. But definitely there would be risk... You can rest your case, but while Rochelle may not be leared in immunology, she is more learned in WG and what they do...

Anyway, getting back to the discussion...

Most WGs (and the one WTS) I have seen have generally been nice and I have left more or less totally satisfied based on my expectation, which is not the same as if it was a civvie who was attracted and wanted to spend time with me (few and far between...) Quite simply, if one is punting to get the same experience as a hot nympho who is into you, you're never going to be 100% satisfied (or more statistically correct - the probability you will be 100% satisfied is negligible).

Someone who gets it. Thank you.
I didn't say that they were all lying. I simply said not all of them would have been telling the truth. Out of the many that said they found him attractive, some would have just been stroking his ego. Unless of course everyone believes every compliment they've ever been paid by a WG.

[WelshClipper]

I agree with the general thrust of what you say but I am not sure why the post you quoted has prompted the comments? For me as well one of the benefits of escorts is that I do not have to spend hours chatting to them. I hope to have a great hour with then that usually includes some chat, but then I get on with my life.  What is wrong with that?

I have been reading the whole thread and his general comments and I bit my tongue more than once.
I'd just finally had enough and grabbed his last cooment. Perhaps in the heat of the moment.

I am not going read anymore of this thread. Gets me so mad.

Going to find a dark place to calm down.  All good. 

[Hobbit]

I am sorry, I must speak...

Everyone knows the main job of a wg is to provide sexual satisfaction to a punter for a fee.

But I am starting to think that your attitude towards them is one of the reasons that their profession remains on the periphery of society and continues to be frowned on by civvie life in general. A lack of understanding and a lack of respect destroys any chance of real change in that regard.

I know the service that they provide is there because there is a need. Just as any service industry is there because of a need. I certainly do not see them in any dimmer light.

Said my peace, take offence if you like.  End of. 

All I said was that I find the benefit of seeing an escort is that you don’t have to speak with them after sex if you want. What’s wrong with that? Prostitutes being on the periphery of society is a big topic and has been since the beginning of time. Me becoming a fluffy will not solve that.

[Jerk Chicken]

@Mr Doodle ...  this is not a mere question of statistics but a statement of fact from @Rochelle. We can dress it up whatever way we like, make whatever assumptions we want it is foolhardy to say to a punter as a statement of fact you were fooled ... they lied to you when you was not there.

I think you are giving the aforementioned SP far too much credit in terms of her ability to comment on this matter just because she is a SP.

Frankly if I am being brutally honest I don’t see what @rochelle contributes to a forum that is for punters and puts punters interests first. I can’t recall any intel of note, can’t recall any groundbreaking info from a SP’a perspective that makes us punters think oh didn’t know that/useful info that @rochelle has given us.

What I do regularly see is lazy challenges for the sake of it, blind faith defending  the indefensible (Covid theory) but some want to give her Kudos because she is still “here”

To me, as a punter, if a SP is going to join I would like to think she is going to give us “the other side of the punting coin” ... it might only be me but I am not getting that.

[ulstersubbie]

Business is business boys, the filthy lucre rules. Human beings are what they are, a bit of realism.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

@Mr Doodle ...  this is not a mere question of statistics but a statement of fact from @Rochelle. We can dress it up whatever way we like, make whatever assumptions we want it is foolhardy to say to a punter as a statement of fact you were fooled ... they lied to you when you was not there.

I think you are giving the aforementioned SP far too much credit in terms of her ability to comment on this matter just because she is a SP.

Frankly if I am being brutally honest I don’t see what @rochelle contributes to a forum that is for punters and puts punters interests first. I can’t recall any intel of note, can’t recall any groundbreaking info from a SP’a perspective that makes us punters think oh didn’t know that/useful info that @rochelle has given us.

What I do regularly see is lazy challenges for the sake of it, blind faith defending  the indefensible (Covid theory) but some want to give her Kudos because she is still “here”

To me, as a punter, if a SP is going to join I would like to think she is going to give us “the other side of the punting coin” ... it might only be me but I am not getting that.

Dunno - shes like Miss Woofe, just another point of view from a differing aspect! Nothiung wrong with that...

About time punters were allowed to post on SAFFE;!

Humm perhaps thats a step too far!!!!

[Marmalade]

...  this is not a mere question of statistics but a statement of fact from @Rochelle. We can dress it up whatever way we like, make whatever assumptions we want it is foolhardy to say to a punter as a statement of fact you were fooled ... they lied to you when you was not there.

IMO On the subject of 'facts' there's material facts, such as whether one got the time paid for, whether there was any bait & switch (and almost in days gone by, whether one was offered a glass of wine).

Then there's inferences which are pretty borderline as facts go, such as "Does she like me". In my opinion it's better to stay in the moment than bother one's head about it. It is more efficient to be polite and courteous than not. There's no moral thing involved there. It doesn't mean you have to have the same attitude when reporting the punt in a review.

Frankly if I am being brutally honest I don’t see what @rochelle contributes to a forum that is for punters and puts punters interests first.

The debate has gone on for ten years or more. It's easier to accept the rules.
It would maybe be nice in my opinion if reviews and comments between men were kept between men, as p4ps can take offence even when they were treated well in the punt. There's also the privacy of the punter from prying eyes. UKE is for the girlie talk.

But opposed to that is the idea that the female sex generally don't actually have to contribute great ideas, they simply make the scenery more interesting and the planet a more attractive place to live. Generalising, I know. And it doesn't always apply to p4p – whose essential quality is to do rather than to type.

No touting. No fluffie cosying up. I don't type with my cock in my hand. It's a discussion-review forum. Not worth getting het up about.
End of the day it's not our decision anyway.

[Home Alone]

...

About time punters were allowed to post on SAFFE;!

Humm perhaps thats a step too far!!!!

I'll say, Watts. Occasionally, when I've been at a very loose end, I've had a little look on Saffe. It must be the most boring, whingeing, depressing Message Board on the internet.

[cotton]

@Mr Doodle ...  this is not a mere question of statistics but a statement of fact from @Rochelle. We can dress it up whatever way we like, make whatever assumptions we want it is foolhardy to say to a punter as a statement of fact you were fooled ... they lied to you when you was not there.

I think you are giving the aforementioned SP far too much credit in terms of her ability to comment on this matter just because she is a SP.

Frankly if I am being brutally honest I don’t see what @rochelle contributes to a forum that is for punters and puts punters interests first. I can’t recall any intel of note, can’t recall any groundbreaking info from a SP’a perspective that makes us punters think oh didn’t know that/useful info that @rochelle has given us.

What I do regularly see is lazy challenges for the sake of it, blind faith defending  the indefensible (Covid theory) but some want to give her Kudos because she is still “here”

To me, as a punter, if a SP is going to join I would like to think she is going to give us “the other side of the punting coin” ... it might only be me but I am not getting that.

Seems to me that Rochelle is giving an opinion from the Sps perspective.

Payyourwaymate said on page 1 - "Personally I have left satisfied many times. However, that was because the WGs were attracted to me physically and told me, or found me a pleasant guy to be around....So they ended up making more of an effort"

Rochelle said basically that a good SP will give a good service and saying your handsome and that you have a big cock is part of the spiel.  Youl leave thinking she actually liked you and that youre special.  Thats their job.

You said on page 2 - "Some guys have a knack of making WGs feel good about themselves in the murky world of cock and paid pussy."
Are you one of these guys with this special knack ?
"how do you know the SP isnt actually thinking - "oh god listen to this slimy cunt , thinking hes Mr smooth , ah well better pretend i think hes great, only 55 minutes left"
Thats their job.

[WelshClipper]

All I said was that I find the benefit of seeing an escort is that you don’t have to speak with them after sex if you want. What’s wrong with that? Prostitutes being on the periphery of society is a big topic and has been since the beginning of time. Me becoming a fluffy will not solve that.

Its okay, I was just having a bit of a rant. Its just the cold prossie who lies about everything has just become a bit cliche for me. I have spent a lifetime in my own service industry, nothing to do with punting, and trust me its full of hypocracy and lies. Some wgs figure it out. Bella blonde in Bracknell or kylie Marie in Derby have built very successful careers so why dont all the others do the same rather than remain one with loads of negatives on ukp. I cant think of an example but I know there are excellent EE girls and ROMs too. Bring back Andrea Meddan. 

But just like a Bank Manager or a Tesco cashier, or a postman. Some put on a brave face and do the job required. Others bring their dirty laundry to work and are just miserable. Others never plan to be pleasant and find their phones quickly gather dust. It is what it is.

In my punting life, not as prolific as some on here, I have seen the full range of great wgs to absolute horror stories. The one thing Ukp has taught me is to walk. Smiths mentions his ability these days to recognise a miserable prossie before he hands over the dosh. I make more mistakes than that but I am learning.

In my view, let the cold ones be cold, who cares. These days for me they make me laugh more than anything else. 

Anyway. Thats my 2 cents. Apologies for the rant. Feels good to get it out sometimes. All good. 

[Marmalade]

I'll say, Watts. Occasionally, when I've been at a very loose end, I've had a little look on Saffe. It must be the most boring, whingeing, depressing Message Board on the internet.

Indeed. With any forum that is just women it tends to get a bit like that. With p4ps more so.

On the question of having p4ps on here at all, I suppose I should have mentioned, for the sake of members who haven't been on here long enough to become half worn out part of the furniture, that the reason is ultimately a practical one: it is easier to let them on here and keep a lid on them than to 'ban' them and have them sign on as 'punters' out of sheer bloody-mindedness. At least that was old admin's point and although I don't know the present admin-owners nearly so well it is a pretty straightorward administrative thing unless you are going to waste oodles of time and effort cyber-researching every new login.

Last time I had a look on Saffe (is there a reason why we are not spelling it correctly btw?), anyway, it had a vile and abusive notice aimed at anyone from UKP – all of whom are apparently of a certain disgusting 'type'. It really lowered their image a lot.

Of course women, not just p4ps, get to be boring, whingeing, depressing when left in groups on their own, and often rather bitter and anti-men, added to the fact that the woman's brain in most cases can't stick to one subject for more than a short time without changing it and getting irate at anyone who objects (of course some guys are like that as well, but it seems almost universal in women).

Most of us can stand the idea that p4ps need somewhere to 'saffly' let off steam and just leave them to it. A p4p who rants ike an utter stupid cow on saffy may well be the most charming and professional creature for half an hour in the sack. Same for most alcoholics.

Yet they are unable to twig the counterpart for men. "Rochelle" is kind of typical with her little side-swipes ("I never took you for the diplomatic type" she says to me, unable to envisge the fact that I am a delightful punter when the service is good. She might have gleaned the truth from the fact that I have had very friendly relations with several p4ps in the real world (who I don't shag) but chose not to. I have flawless feedback on AW even though that doesn't say much.) My input on UKP, like that of most sensible members, is addressed to men. Not softened down into non-gendered language suitable the cocktail bar of the Sheraton, or the pheremone-aware warmth of the punt. I have little time for punters who choose their words on UKP to appease p4ps. To me that's an abuse (Commonly known as white-knighting).

[Mr Doodle]

@Mr Doodle ...  this is not a mere question of statistics but a statement of fact from @Rochelle. We can dress it up whatever way we like, make whatever assumptions we want it is foolhardy to say to a punter as a statement of fact you were fooled ... they lied to you when you was not there.

I think you are giving the aforementioned SP far too much credit in terms of her ability to comment on this matter just because she is a SP.

Frankly if I am being brutally honest I don’t see what @rochelle contributes to a forum that is for punters and puts punters interests first. I can’t recall any intel of note, can’t recall any groundbreaking info from a SP’a perspective that makes us punters think oh didn’t know that/useful info that @rochelle has given us.

What I do regularly see is lazy challenges for the sake of it, blind faith defending  the indefensible (Covid theory) but some want to give her Kudos because she is still “here”

To me, as a punter, if a SP is going to join I would like to think she is going to give us “the other side of the punting coin” ... it might only be me but I am not getting that.

I haven't frequented these boards long enough to form an opinion either way on the contribution of any member - but my view would be based on my values which may be different to yours.. I was simply saying that there is no need for statistics to be presented for a statement to be valid or not.

Whether she should have made the comment or not, whether it could have been done more tactfully or not is really a subjective call based on our values; and it may be that every single WG that said they were attracted to PYWM was attracted.. we will never have any way to know.. is it likely? Well, @Rochelle was giving her view on it (although tehcnicall yes, she was saying definitely not... rather than most probably not, which is technically invalid) and it felt like a WG view of the a punters statement.. no matter how lazy that view was.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Indeed. With any forum that is just women it tends to get a bit like that. With p4ps more so.

On the question of having p4ps on here at all, I suppose I should have mentioned, for the sake of members who haven't been on here long enough to become half worn out part of the furniture, that the reason is ultimately a practical one: it is easier to let them on here and keep a lid on them than to 'ban' them and have them sign on as 'punters' out of sheer bloody-mindedness. At least that was old admin's point and although I don't know the present admin-owners nearly so well it is a pretty straightorward administrative thing unless you are going to waste oodles of time and effort cyber-researching every new login.

Last time I had a look on Saffe (is there a reason why we are not spelling it correctly btw?), anyway, it had a vile and abusive notice aimed at anyone from UKP – all of whom are apparently of a certain disgusting 'type'. It really lowered their image a lot.

Of course women, not just p4ps, get to be boring, whingeing, depressing when left in groups on their own, and often rather bitter and anti-men, added to the fact that the woman's brain in most cases can't stick to one subject for more than a short time without changing it and getting irate at anyone who objects (of course some guys are like that as well, but it seems almost universal in women).

Most of us can stand the idea that p4ps need somewhere to 'saffly' let off steam and just leave them to it. A p4p who rants ike an utter stupid cow on saffy may well be the most charming and professional creature for half an hour in the sack. Same for most alcoholics.

Yet they are unable to twig the counterpart for men. "Rochelle" is kind of typical with her little side-swipes ("I never took you for the diplomatic type" she says to me, unable to envisge the fact that I am a delightful punter when the service is good. She might have gleaned the truth from the fact that I have had very friendly relations with several p4ps in the real world (who I don't shag) but chose not to. I have flawless feedback on AW even though that doesn't say much.) My input on UKP, like that of most sensible members, is addressed to men. Not softened down into non-gendered language suitable the cocktail bar of the Sheraton, or the pheremone-aware warmth of the punt. I have little time for punters who choose their words on UKP to appease p4ps. To me that's an abuse (Commonly known as white-knighting).

Hey Ho!, least its not not allowed, now that is another grade grim for man haters!

[Rochelle]

"Rochelle" is kind of typical with her little side-swipes ("I never took you for the diplomatic type" she says to me, unable to envisge the fact that I am a delightful punter when the service is good.

My comment was based on only what I've seen of your forum persona and our past interactions. I expected an answer that was more definitive.

I wasn't making any assumptions about what you're like in person.

[Marmalade]

Hey Ho!, least its not not allowed, now that is another grade grim for man haters!

Grim I suppose... It's more restful to view them – not allowed, saffy, UKE – 'anthropologically' if you will, as fascinating examples of human nature in its development through the ages, without judgment, and then discard them as not that interesting unless one is interested in psychopathology... They are not particularly rational, informative or entertaining.

Even drunks, drug abusers and psychopaths are interesting in a purely academic sense, if you have the time! I see no more point in getting upset over them than whether something was 'fair' in an Eastenders plotline or other trash tv! 

p.s. I don't watch Easatenders so may be completely mistaken about its high literary content. 

[Hobbit]

Its okay, I was just having a bit of a rant. Its just the cold prossie who lies about everything has just become a bit cliche for me. I have spent a lifetime in my own service industry, nothing to do with punting, and trust me its full of hypocracy and lies. Some wgs figure it out. Bella blonde in Bracknell or kylie Marie in Derby have built very successful careers so why dont all the others do the same rather than remain one with loads of negatives on ukp. I cant think of an example but I know there are excellent EE girls and ROMs too. Bring back Andrea Meddan. 

But just like a Bank Manager or a Tesco cashier, or a postman. Some put on a brave face and do the job required. Others bring their dirty laundry to work and are just miserable. Others never plan to be pleasant and find their phones quickly gather dust. It is what it is.

In my punting life, not as prolific as some on here, I have seen the full range of great wgs to absolute horror stories. The one thing Ukp has taught me is to walk. Smiths mentions his ability these days to recognise a miserable prossie before he hands over the dosh. I make more mistakes than that but I am learning.

In my view, let the cold ones be cold, who cares. These days for me they make me laugh more than anything else. 

Anyway. Thats my 2 cents. Apologies for the rant. Feels good to get it out sometimes. All good. 

It's good to rant sometimes. This forum is about sharing experiences and discussing our views. I would like to think that some escorts that read our views actually learn from them and improve their service, but in reality, my suspicion is that most don't and just think that all of us punters dislike them, which is certainly not the case.

Like I mentioned in my original post, there are a few escorts that are absolutely fantastic and have provided great service over a number of years not just to me but to many other punters. I still have all those good memories and I know that when I die I will take them great memories with me as my final thoughts because they were so pleasurable.

However, there is the other side of the coin and that is that there are many hookers that don't provide a great service. They are mechanical, cold, and only money-driven. In any industry, if anyone provides a service based on those premises, they would not get far and usually would close shop.

For me, if I'm going to spend my hard-earned cash, then I want to be left satisfied. I hate the feeling of leaving a punt feeling shit knowing that I have just wasted £200+ with nothing to show for it, not even a good memory. I think a lot of us punters sometimes settle for a cold hard fuck thinking that because it is a paid service then that is what we will get as default. But let me reassure you that isn't the case because there are some great service providers out there that provide a warm, passionate encounter leaving both parties content. I know that because I have experienced it a few times and the search continues to find it again, may it be in this life or the next.

[Doc Holliday]

p.s. I don't watch Easatenders

Yeah right 

As always you make good valid points and eloquently as is usual , but if memory serves me (and I may be wrong?) there is 'history' between Jerk Chicken and Rochelle. Whenever there is any kind of personal online vendetta then any real discussion becomes distorted by that background.