Sex work Criminalised

[ik8133]

Interesting discussion on STV last night debating whether guys paying for sex should be criminalised? 

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[1980Tam]

Well the SNP are currently destroying the main economy , why would they not try to destroy this one as well .does wee nicola and her gang really not know where half of holyrood go at lunchtime .

[Marcus0101]

Well the SNP are currently destroying the main economy , why would they not try to destroy this one as well .does wee nicola and her gang really not know where half of holyrood go at lunchtime .

Sure i logged into a punting forum not a politics one 

[J_H]

No you're wrong. You're allowed to make right wing political statements, but not left wing ones.

So yes, like 99% of media output, it's 'non-political'.

[1980Tam]

Should never have mentioned it. My clumsy point being does the government or whoever driving this realise the size of the trade and the hidden economy behind it , Do they really want to drive it further underground into the hands of the more unsavoury operators , this would lead to a more dangerous situation for the WGs and punters instead of the almost harmless hobby it is for most of us .

[bushman]

Nicola is the worst kind of feminist (she can't stand women who depend on men for an income).

[jedi master]

+1 agree with you entirely Tam, If they ban it they just drive it underground. Making it harder for punters and wg's alike in my opinion, damn snp government 

[fedor]

Nothing worse than people who want to tell other people, who are not harming anyone, how to live. If I am not harming anyone then keep the fuck out my life. 

[seeker]

If they bring this in all it will do
Is the game will go underground into the hands of the unscrupulous 
Nothing  has ever gotten better under prohibition,
When will Governments ever learn this simple fact
Some punters will give up punting in Scotland, but not the
More unsavoury characters,
Instead of making it safer for both wgs and punters
By licensing the trade
This will just make it so much worse .

[RAJEC]

If they bring this in all it will do
Is the game will go underground into the hands of the unscrupulous 
Nothing  has ever gotten better under prohibition,
When will Governments ever learn this simple fact
Some punters will give up punting in Scotland, but not the
More unsavoury characters,
Instead of making it safer for both wgs and punters
By licensing the trade
This will just make it so much worse .

Exactly this.

There’s even a revenue stream if they can make prossies pay tax!

[S.X. MacHine]

If they bring this in all it will do
Is the game will go underground into the hands of the unscrupulous 
Nothing  has ever gotten better under prohibition,
When will Governments ever learn this simple fact
Some punters will give up punting in Scotland, but not the
More unsavoury characters,
Instead of making it safer for both wgs and punters
By licensing the trade
This will just make it so much worse .

Indeed.
I must be at the ‘unsavoury’ end of the punting spectrum because I fully intend to continue, come what may.
I think Police Scotland are not keen on having to police people’s sexual activities, so the enforcement regime would be pretty lax. By analogy just look at Northern Ireland. The god botherers there had it banned on the basis of the usual untenable stories involving child prostitution, drug addled sex workers and the like, but the Police Service in Ulster have done damn all to enforce the nonsense.
My hope and expectation would be that it would be much the same here.

[WelshClipper]

Indeed.
I must be at the ‘unsavoury’ end of the punting spectrum because I fully intend to continue, come what may.
I think Police Scotland are not keen on having to police people’s sexual activities, so the enforcement regime would be pretty lax. By analogy just look at Northern Ireland. The god botherers there had it banned on the basis of the usual untenable stories involving child prostitution, drug addled sex workers and the like, but the Police Service in Ulster have done damn all to enforce the nonsense.
My hope and expectation would be that it would be much the same here.

Pretty much true wherever it happens. I visited Montreal once. They dont have anything like AW but there are more escort agencies now than there were before the criminalisation bill. Pretty much a punting paradise but its call a 'date' 

[J_H]

Should never have mentioned it. My clumsy point being does the government or whoever driving this realise the size of the trade and the hidden economy behind it , Do they really want to drive it further underground into the hands of the more unsavoury operators , this would lead to a more dangerous situation for the WGs and punters instead of the almost harmless hobby it is for most of us .

Agree 100%.

Driving it off the streets was bad enough (but to some extent understandable).

Driving it underground in our social conditions is the worst thing that can happen for all the reasons Seeker mentions. Scotland isn't Scandinavia!

And as somebody else mentioned, the cops really don't fancy having to police it - they have enough on their plate.

[1980Tam]

Indeed.
I must be at the ‘unsavoury’ end of the punting spectrum because I fully intend to continue, come what may.
I think Police Scotland are not keen on having to police people’s sexual activities, so the enforcement regime would be pretty lax. By analogy just look at Northern Ireland. The god botherers there had it banned on the basis of the usual untenable stories involving child prostitution, drug addled sex workers and the like, but the Police Service in Ulster have done damn all to enforce the nonsense.
My hope and expectation would be that it would be much the same here.

Hope your right about  lax policing if this ever happens , to comparing here to NI is not the case  NI is small scale with the village mentality everybody knows everybodys business if they dont they can quickly find out , its got to many other issues to worry about hookers .there is a functioning government here that has a record of following through with its policies , and the police also have form here in the old days they wiped out the street trade everywhere , then the saunas  in Glasgow before their plan came unstuck when the tried the same in Edinburgh ,  But the current status quo has worked up to now with the indies and agencies  its just the unsavoury pimps running trafficed girls in the flea pit brothels that should be targeted .

Dont worry its only an hour to Newcastle it can rebrand as vegas of the north .

[bushman]

Dont worry its only an hour to Newcastle it can rebrand as vegas of the north .

That is exactly what will happen. The NE girls will be charging London prices with the demand for them.

[Jock D]

Dont worry its only an hour to Newcastle it can rebrand as vegas of the north .

You got your own helicopter Tam?

[1980Tam]

You got your own helicopter Tam?

Wish I did , Edinburgh based just now , Im using the train alot more .

[DrGFreeman]

I wouldn't put it pass the SNP to do exactly that with the intent of being 'progressive'
when do politicians listen to prostitute advocacy groups anyway ? and they dont care about our opinion
they do what they think is popular

the delightful Harriot Harmen specifically introduced a charge of rape if the girl was trafficked precisely as a disincentive
that doesn't seem to have much effect on demand south of the border

so what would it change ? prostitution continues in loads of countries where its illegal

[1980Tam]

so what would it change ? prostitution continues in loads of countries where its illegal

And It would here as well , just in Scotland its a smaller not as densely popululated country it would be harder to be more discrete . As suggested the police might not be interested in policing this , but they might depending on who is driving this

Just a thought , if the trade goes cashless and we pay in bitcoin , would that not keep the bizzies tied up tracing the money trail .

[WelshClipper]

Police would go after the low hanging fruit. Brothels, pimps, complaints of noisy behaviour. I heard a couple got done who were taking calls for a bunch of girls all working in separate locations. Cyber-brothel?

I dont think the one on ones, 2 girls working for safety, that most of us do, would be affected and very hard to prove IMV.

[The Man With No Name]

its just the unsavoury pimps running trafficed girls in the flea pit brothels that should be targeted .

Quite. Nor does it take any rocket science to figure out where these are. And it certainly doesn't require any extra legislation - just Plod to be arsed getting off his fat one to some actual good for a change.

But as has been discussed, none of this puritan bollocks ever leads to actual substantive improvements for the girls of the industry - with criminalisation only inevitably serving to make them worse.

As a result, while the desire may be there to appear all feminist and supposedly progressive, it's actually pretty hard to sell any of it on a hard, meaningful evidential basis, or to even politically prioritise it.

[mills_and_bhuna]

I'm hoping it's the usual virtue signalling bullshit.
As has been said the law already has enough legislation to deal with the trafficking issue.
Only thing stopping them is lack of will or lack of manpower.
They've got enough on their hands trying to catch these maniacs who drive at 21 mph in Edinburgh

[1980Tam]

I'm hoping it's the usual virtue signalling bullshit.
As has been said the law already has enough legislation to deal with the trafficking issue.
Only thing stopping them is lack of will or lack of manpower.
They've got enough on their hands trying to catch these maniacs who drive at 21 mph in Edinburgh

Yes they just appeared one day and put double red lines outside my house more interested in parking fines .

[bushman]

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[MrMatrix]

Havent got time to watch this OP, but want to come back to it

[Courtney]

...ever notice how the women that always want to criminalise it are always fat and annoying.

Dr Anastacia Ryan is pretty hot I think John MacKay really took to her ....wonder if he’s a punter.

[1980Tam]

...ever notice how the women that always want to criminalise it are always fat and annoying.

Dr Anastacia Ryan is pretty hot I think John MacKay really took to her ....wonder if he’s a punter.

More than sure he is hes got that 'look' about him .

[Marmalade]

...ever notice how the women that always want to criminalise it are always fat and annoying.

Dr Anastacia Ryan is pretty hot I think John MacKay really took to her ....wonder if he’s a punter.

Ok, most of them. Stands to reason they don't want to feel 'objectified' when they are less than lovely to look at. Drop dead goreous women are mosty quite happy to be admired for their physical assets in a polite way.

The other reason ugly women complain is because of their low value in the marriage (free meal) market.

[sub_marine]

As above, plenty of laws already exist to weed out the unsavoury side of the industry.  If they intend to create new laws just for the headlines it'll be difficult to create something that is workable without encroaching on normal civvy life.  Not to mention how do you differentiate a hooker on AW from a civvy on SA if they are both just charging for time and whatever 2 consenting adults get up to is their own business.

Didn't the remaining sauna owners in Edinburgh get together and agree to pblish the client lists if their industry is closed down?  I seem to remember in 2011 when the scottish parliment was mainly run by men hating lesbians that it was heading to complete shut down, and Edinburgh went from 16-9 saunas, but then there was an abrupt halt in shutting any more down.

[The Man With No Name]

Not to mention how do you differentiate a hooker on AW from a civvy on SA

Well unlike many fanboys on here, they presumably wouldn't. As not even they're that stupid to realise there isn't any difference.

Prostitutes on Seeking Arrangement are still prostitutes. Just because them and their fuckwit punters - who like to pay money and waste hours talking shite to daft wee lassies for sex - both like to delude themselves they aren't, doesn't mean they aren't.

They receive money (and a whole lot of an idiots' free time) for sex. They are prostitutes.

Didn't the remaining sauna owners in Edinburgh get together and agree to pblish the client lists if their industry is closed down?  I seem to remember in 2011 when the scottish parliment was mainly run by men hating lesbians that it was heading to complete shut down, and Edinburgh went from 16-9 saunas, but then there was an abrupt halt in shutting any more down.

I find this pretty hard to believe. I'm not saying the very odd MSP hasn't ever taken a occasional, misguided drunken stagger into an Edinburgh brothel. But the vast majority of politicians who pay for sex have enough money and sense to do so privately and discreetly - not rolling down Blair Street on a Friday night - which is why you so rarely hear of it.

I also think you'll find that the vast majority of MSPs in 2011 were men, with only one female opposition party leader at the time. And were presided over by a certain Mr Salmond - known, himself, for his fondess for dipping his chubby little digits into lots of different lady-pies.