Love for Sale with Rupert Everett - Channel 4

[Charlotte-Rose]

I'm not doubting what your certificate says,  but im having trouble linking running a hotel with science

That's ok but I can assure you it does


did you not read this thread before making this comment, if so where did you see anything that implied that anyone was not happy with you?

No to be honest I didn't I could only see a certain amount on my phone

[mcardle464]

Hi Charlotte,

thanks for engaging with us.  As others have said I don't think the thread was critical of you, as you seem different from the sordid stereotype (which in my limited punting experience I haven't met) beloved of a certain anti-hedonic mindset, which is manifested in puritanical policiticians who use moral panics for their own populist ends. In the last Game of Thrones episode, Tyrion pointed out that even if the murderer of Joffrey confessed in front of the Iron Throne and brought hard evidence to back this up, he (Tyrion) would still be found guilty....I think that is the mindset of those sort of people: "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up."

BTW I did like the award!  I think that was what amused people here more than anything

I look forward to Part 2 of the series.

[Aspen]

The fool from Dublin is Rachel Moran. Claims to have worked the scene there but others don't recall her being around when she says she was.

I don't believe she has the experience she claims. And what was that phrase she came out with? Something like - "I don't believe we should accept reality as it is". WTF is that supposed to mean? She seriously has a screw loose. She wants to change reality - lol.

I'm not sure I believe much of what Brooke Magnanti says either. Much of her material is designed to sell books, so at the very least it's heavily embroidered, and I guess mostly bullshit. Some of the scenes described in her books didn't happen, I am certain of that. But on this programme she was dead on in what she said, and so was Everett. Even the nun sided with them and not with Moron.

Out of the 45 mins, about 10 mins was interesting, the rest was padding. I bet the next one is the same. They will be professional interviewees posing as punters.
 

[Stealthy]

I thought the shwo was very good.

Its a two-parter. You can watch them on channel 4 online.

[Tony Montana]

Welcome Charlotte - I liked your piece in the documentary.

All to often these kind of documentaries just show the crack-whore on the street or the "high class courtesan" who claims to earn £1000 an hour.  It's about time the more usual type of WG was shown and good on you for willing to go public.

[SirFrank]

Hi Charlotte welcome to the site. As above I enjoyed your perspective and it's good to hear a more balanced view. I don't think you've been criticised on here though

[Rochdull lad]

Hi all

I just wanted to make it clear as I've been emailed stating that you and also saafe are not happy with me.

I can assure you I love my job and yes I do orgasm and love orgasming as much as possible.
I enjoy the company of all my clients and received my award last year in June and will be hoping to retain my title this year - and no I've not used the award on myself as it's made of wood and rather rigid.

I apologise if any of my comments made on the programme offending anyone and can assure I will be continuing with my work with just as much enjoyment as I do now.
I will be featured on the weight stuff next week to discuss this more.

Big hugs

Charlotte Rose

I've been away for a couple of days and haven't been able to get online.

It wasn't that we were unhappy with you; it was more that [in my naivety?] I couldn't credit that there'd be a "Sex worker of the year" award.  Curious6705 quickly put me right.

[domino131]

Just watched it on 4OD.  It was ok, but didn't tell me a lot I didn't already know.  I didn't have a problem with any of it, and there was no nonsense about tea and biscuits or men lasting only 3 seconds like in that BBC one the other week.

The Irish woman seemed rather dim to be honest, and I don't just say that because I disagree with her point of view.  She couldn't really respond to anything with a coherent argument, and fell back on saying 'I find that offensive' to Rupert's comparison to factory jobs - I don't think she quite understood that he was making a 'Devil's Advocate' point, but she's obviously not a skilled debater.  She seemed like one of those people who's had some horrible experiences (and that is obviously terrible if that's the case) and therefore assumes that her own experiences apply to everyone else in that line of work.  She had nothing in response to Rupert's point about criminalisation driving every prostitute underground and into more danger.

[Sienna_Bronze]

I've not read that anyone on here was unhappy with you. I think you were fab, you came across well.

[Aspen]

I've not read that anyone on here was unhappy with you. I think you were fab, you came across well.

Yes, she did come across well, but you are seeing it through the eyes of another provider.

I am very sceptical when I hear escorts promoting themselves, and again this was the case with her. They are very good at sweet talk and usually you find out too late that's what it is - just sweet talk. Coupled with the really high fees I wouldn't be tempted, but if she can temp guys who can afford it then good luck to her.

[Aspen]

Just watched it on 4OD.  It was ok, but didn't tell me a lot I didn't already know.  I didn't have a problem with any of it, and there was no nonsense about tea and biscuits or men lasting only 3 seconds like in that BBC one the other week.

The Irish woman seemed rather dim to be honest, and I don't just say that because I disagree with her point of view.  She couldn't really respond to anything with a coherent argument, and fell back on saying 'I find that offensive' to Rupert's comparison to factory jobs - I don't think she quite understood that he was making a 'Devil's Advocate' point, but she's obviously not a skilled debater.  She seemed like one of those people who's had some horrible experiences (and that is obviously terrible if that's the case) and therefore assumes that her own experiences apply to everyone else in that line of work.  She had nothing in response to Rupert's point about criminalisation driving every prostitute underground and into more danger.

She's an attention seeker.

People who spout emotive rubbish like that are quite dangerous. They convince people who are just as dim or dimmer to side with them.

I guess that's how the Swedish model came into being in the first place. Stupid and ignorant people coming up with a solution that achieves their objectives without any thought of the detrimental effect on others.

Criminalising everyone involved in prostitution, providers and clients, would make more sense. Also totally unacceptable, but the so-called Swedish model is pretty much the worst possible scenario in terms of logic. Like giving drug smugglers and dealers free reign and going after the users only, it makes no sense whatsoever.

[NIK]

The email wasn't from ukp direct but from a gentleman stating this thread link and group.

I am more than happy to talk about anything I have passion about and thank you all for being so great to communicate with.

Big hugs xx

It doesn't surprise me that someone contacted you to try to disparage UKP. They will try anything to show us in a negative light. Doubtless it was a previously banned member or some fluffy cunt from Prossynet.

Regarding the programme, yes I was asked to appear in it, however I quite simply asked what was in it for me and it appeared absolutely nothing. There was no payment, which was pretty much as I expected, however when I asked that they would at least allow me to promote my book about punting in return they couldn't even guarantee that so I thought there was nothing to be gained by my participation.
I actually appeared in a TV investigative documentary about something else many years ago and know how much they edit too.
I can understand why a prostitute would be happy to appear as it will be good for business. Doubtless you will see your client base expand many fold owing to the programme, but for the life of me I can't understand why a punter would want to appear, unless you are a self promoting celebrity cunt such as Russell Brand who I have certainly no desire to see. I believe they probably had more difficulty getting punters to appear, especially on camera, hence their falling back on the likes of Brand. I expect he got paid too!

As for UKP  'not being happy with you' doubtless you can see that that is not true, it was more the programme as a whole that was criticised. However in the near four years of our existence UKP has always been subject to mischief making liars, so it is thoroughly unsurprising. They have probably also told you we are pimps, paedophiles and rapists which are the usual nonsensical accusations. 

It would however be interesting to see where SAAFE aren't happy with you, as this is much more likely to be true. If that is the case you will be in good company - they aren't happy with us either. 

[NIK]

She's an attention seeker.

People who spout emotive rubbish like that are quite dangerous. They convince people who are just as dim or dimmer to side with them.

I guess that's how the Swedish model came into being in the first place. Stupid and ignorant people coming up with a solution that achieves their objectives without any thought of the detrimental effect on others.

Criminalising everyone involved in prostitution, providers and clients, would make more sense. Also totally unacceptable, but the so-called Swedish model is pretty much the worst possible scenario in terms of logic. Like giving drug smugglers and dealers free reign and going after the users only, it makes no sense whatsoever.

And it won't stop it. 

[mcardle464]

Incidentally, there's another article in the Graun. by Tanya Gold about sex for sale. You probably don't want to bother with it.

I'll summarise it for you:

I'm just going to close my eyes and bang one out for the guardian, give the keyboard a quick stroking then shove the prose out the door. I've earned my screw for the day.

[Dani]

@Charlotte so why have you not posted this same thing on safe if the email you received stated both UKP and Saafe?

If you felt the need to post here to rectify anything then why not on saafe as well?

surely if this email had been sent to you then you would have posted this on both sites mentioned

[CatBBW]

@Charlotte so why have you not posted this same thing on safe if the email you received stated both UKP and Saafe?

If you felt the need to post here to rectify anything then why not on saafe as well?

surely if this email had been sent to you then you would have posted this on both sites mentioned

Probably because she hasn't been slagged off on Saafe - in fact she barely got a mention. So nothing to rectify or defend herself against on there.

[domino131]

Incidentally, there's another article in the Graun. by Tanya Gold about sex for sale. You probably don't want to bother with it.

I'll summarise it for you:

I'm just going to close my eyes and bang one out for the guardian, give the keyboard a quick stroking then shove the prose out the door. I've earned my screw for the day.

Yeh it's woefully ignorant, same old shit from people who don't know what they're talking about.  There's some people making some good points in the comments but then there's also the usual anti-punting brigade who are impervious to reason.

[sucky2dollar]

Part 1 was the usual superficial look at prostitution. The same cliches and stereotypes reinforced to make comfortable viewing. Not one tv program on prostitution has managed to get the everyday facts out - it's always the same polarised stories (high class vs streetworkers and never the average working girl which is by far the majority).

I enjoy the company of all my clients and received my award last year in June and will be hoping to retain my title this year - and no I've not used the award on myself

The award means nothing because it was determined by an organisation's panel and not everyday punters. It has no merit.

[Aspen]

The award means nothing because it was determined by an organisation's panel and not everyday punters. It has no merit.

Exactly what I thought.

It's also become clear to me that other WG's are not convinced by the public persona that she presents, and I find that very telling. I'm undecided whether it's all bullshit or only some of it. But if she can get away with it without harming anyone then good luck to her. Her fees are so high that her clients must have more money than sense anyway.
 

[Matium]

Did anyone see this:

"Courtesan service now available - Pay a monthly Fee of £5000 for the Ultimate Girlfriend / Courtesan experience (With this service you will receive, personal phone calls, Passport service, Incalls and Outcall service, Travel time included within the uk, 112 hours per month saving you £11.800!!"

External Link/Members Only

Courtesan service?

[dandaley]

attention seeker isnt she pure and simple.

[Matium]

I don't think Saafe will be happy with this:

External Link/Members Only

Escort Academy?

She is charging WGs for advice that Saafe gives for free!

[Rochdull lad]

I never thought I'd see Punting as the subject of an Open University course!  

Thanks for that, Matium; it's made my morning!

[Aspen]

I don't think Saafe will be happy with this:

External Link/Members Only

Escort Academy?

She is charging WGs for advice that Saafe gives for free!

I don't think Saafe will give a toss.

They probably provide a better service than anyone could do that charged for it. Because it's a fairly open forum with lots of participants, just like this one is.  In the long run open source software is better for much the same reasons, although I will concede that purchasing a package and having someone to complain to could be an advantage if (in the unlikely event) there was any positive response. I don't think anyone would get any redress from having been given bad prostitution advice though 

[Convince Me]

How about External Link/Members Only for those who don't get their own way on here? PN will be dead by the next full moon so no advantage in directing the disillusioned there!

[akauya]

I think this thread explains why Saafe is not "happy" with Charlotte Rose unless of course this is another Charlotte Rose

External Link/Members Only

Read to the end.

[Matium]

No wonder Saafe doesn't like her!

It was a bit underhand of her to choose a scheme with a similar name to a free scheme that WGs already trust but which she is charging for!

I wonder if Rupert knows how underhand she is at making money by charging gullible WGs money for services that Saafe actually provides for free.

And this also explains Dani's point about why Charlotte hasn't shown her face on Saafe!

[akauya]

Indeed. I foudn it a bit odd also that she came here saying UKP is "not happy" with her when in fact no-one  made any derogatory comments about her at the time. I think joining UKP was a publicity stunt which may backfire on her.

[vorian]

Indeed. I foudn it a bit odd also that she came here saying UKP is "not happy" with her when in fact no-one  made any derogatory comments about her at the time. I think joining UKP was a publicity stunt which may backfire on her.

Agreed, can't think a single time a prossie has done this and not had it backfire on her, they always seem to stereotype punters as thick horny twats and UKP just a opportunity to tout. This woman seems to think she is a cut above other prossies just because she doesn't seem to care about anonymity. To piss off SAAFE takes some doing, well done Charlotte.

[Matium]

I wonder if anyone here is tempted to pay Charlotte £5,000.00 for her "courtesan service"?

 

[vorian]

I wonder if anyone here is tempted to pay Charlotte £5,000.00 for her "courtesan service"?

 

Does'nt seem likely as no one wants to pay her £3.99 a month for her "Security service"

[grandmaster-ram-rod]

Indeed. I foudn it a bit odd also that she came here saying UKP is "not happy" with her when in fact no-one  made any derogatory comments about her at the time. I think joining UKP was a publicity stunt which may backfire on her.

+1 she was here to tout

[Rochdull lad]

I think this thread explains why Saafe is not "happy" with Charlotte Rose unless of course this is another Charlotte Rose

External Link/Members Only

Read to the end.

Good spot, akauya!

Thanks to Curious 6705, the answer to my rhetorical question on p.3 of this thread turned out to be:

This Is Cabaret is the only online publication dedicated entirely to London’s variety scene. Founded by experienced journalists who have covered cabaret, burlesque and circus for years, it is your number one destination to keep up with the overwhelming diversity of the world’s richest cabaret circuit.

She must tour a lot if she's based in Exeter, yet qualifies for an award from this "online publication dedicated entirely to London’s variety scene."  Does she arrange for journalists to watch her in action?  Does the punter get any say in whether they do?

[CBPaul]

Good work akauya.

I was going to say 'if it is the same Charlotte-Rose' but there are a lot of similarities for it to be coincidence, even signs herself off as Charlie both in here and on saafe.

No wonder her fellow prossies are pissed off, getting spam emails about some crappy scheme. She's just set it up and has a security people nationwide - that'll be the police then.

Oh, sorry, it's not spam, it's an email marketing campaign 

[Dani]

Good work akauya.

I was going to say 'if it is the same Charlotte-Rose' but there are a lot of similarities for it to be coincidence, even signs herself off as Charlie both in here and on saafe.

No wonder her fellow prossies are pissed off, getting spam emails about some crappy scheme. She's just set it up and has a security people nationwide - that'll be the police then.

Oh, sorry, it's not spam, it's an email marketing campaign 

No it was spam.  Bloody annoying spam as well as she would not answer the questions asked of her as in where did she find all the licensed frontline security guys who were not only willing to work for a pittance but also be willing to run at a moments notice to where ever she sent them or did she really expect us to believe she owns a nationwide firm with guys in every single town of the UK.  Nor did she answer why it would take 40 minutes for this security to be contacted.  FFS. even AW do a better free service called angel or something similar.  You put in what time your booking is and what time it ends.  It contacts you and if you do not text back within 5minutes it sends a text to warn your security buddy or partner that you may be in danger and to call the police. 
It is why Penny also set up escort buddys (the name Charlotte stole and thought she could use and as such a renowned escort she would have known about this) so we would all have someone waiting for our booking to end and us to contact them.  Again another free service

[dandaley]

+1 she was here to tout

+2 here to tout and attention seeker stupid bitch 

[NIK]

Just noticed she has a book out 'How to be an Escort' 
It seems they didn't allow her to promote that either.
However I bet it was damn site easy to write than, 'How to be a successful punter!' 

[CatBBW]

I think this thread explains why Saafe is not "happy" with Charlotte Rose unless of course this is another Charlotte Rose

External Link/Members Only

Read to the end.

I remember that one - but it was months ago. C-R on here said "I've been emailed stating that you and also saafe are not happy with me". This is on this very thread about the programme. She already knew about the thread linked above, so this "email" (*coffs*) meant UKP and Saafe weren't happy with her presence on "Love For Sale".

[Matium]

Come, come, Catherine, can't you see her visit here was all about publicity for herself?

Have you looked at her website? Her Courtesan Service, Her Escort Academy, Her How to be an Escort, her E-Buddy scheme?

She is a publicity seeker.

[CatBBW]

Come, come, Catherine, can't you see her visit here was all about publicity for herself?

Have you looked at her website? Her Courtesan Service, Her Escort Academy, Her How to be an Escort, her E-Buddy scheme?

She is a publicity seeker.

I know, that's why I *coffed* 

[NIK]

Come, come, Catherine, can't you see her visit here was all about publicity for herself?

Have you looked at her website? Her Courtesan Service, Her Escort Academy, Her How to be an Escort, her E-Buddy scheme?

She is a publicity seeker.

It's not that bloody difficult!

Now how to be a good escort is!

[vorian]

It's not that bloody difficult!

Now how to be a good escort is!

Very, very true. 

[NIK]

Just reminding everyone the second part of this is on tonight. Hope it's better than last week.

I should have been starring in it instead of Russell fucking Brand. I bet he gets paid for it! 

[Matium]

Just reminding everyone the second part of this is on tonight. Hope it's better than last week.

I should have been starring in it instead of Russell fucking Brand. I bet he gets paid for it! 

You're not a teensy little bit jealous, are you?

 

[SirFrank]

How much does she charge then? It seems she's projecting herself!

[vorian]

How much does she charge then? It seems she's projecting herself!

Haven't seen a AW link for her.

[Matium]

Haven't seen a AW link for her.

She's £160.00 an hour, which even in London is on the high side and is really steep for Exeter.

She's here:

External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

and

External Link/Members Only

[vorian]

She's £160.00 an hour, which even in London is on the high side and is really steep for Exeter.

She's here:

External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

andu

External Link/Members Only

No OWO

Forget about it.


Maybe UKP should have a punter of the year competition. 

[NIK]

Well it's as bad as last week. They are interviewing prossies more than punters just as they did last week. As I expected they couldn't get the punters to a appear.
Also Everett says 10% of men have admitted to paying for sex. That might be true but the percentage who have paid is much higher. I reckon well over 50%.

[grandmaster-ram-rod]

No OWO

Forget about it.


Maybe UKP should have a punter of the year competition. 

hendix will win it easy