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[daviemac]

No point arguing with men who discovered the internet in their 30s/40s, or god forbid even later.

Just be careful when buying credits on AW.

When the internet first became available to me it was with Windows 3.1 and a dial-up connection via a modem. Once it got to Win 95 I started building my own computers, as it progressed through XP and Vista broadband became available and I continued to learn as much as I could about any pitfalls there may be.

I was using the 'test' beta version of Win 7 12 months before it was released as a thank you I got it free, so I may have 'discovered' the internet later in life but that by no means I'm not tech savvy.

I don't profess to be an expert but I do find your condescending attitude offensive. If you don't have the common sense to use a payment method that is secure and untraceable back to you then you should be looking at yourself not criticizing others.

[jonnw16]

That same day, the card was cloned for two overseas transactions.

No point arguing with men who discovered the internet in their 30s/40s, or god forbid even later.

And no point in arguing with people who have been working in IT since before the internet existed.
Or people who actually care about clarity of language and semantics (who are probably in their 40s, or even older).

Credit card cloning refers to creating a fraudulent copy of a credit card. It happens when a crook steals your credit card information, then uses the information to create a fake card.

That is, creating an actual physical card. What happened to you would seem to be that your card details were intercepted/stolen and then somebody tried to use those details fraudulently.

Now I am sorry that happened to you, and it does make me wary of purchasing AW credits using my card. But to include accusations about the webcam girl being "a bit dodgy" really doesn't lend credence to your report of what happened to you. Plus this whole excursion has derailed a useful thread.

[Joe Exotic]

Meow.

[mr.bluesky]

Well said sir, a +1 from me

+1. when I left school the electronic calculater had not long been invented ( showing my age now) most youngsters today cannot do simple addition subtraction or multiplication without using a calculator .

[Xtro]

........ I started my computer education by programming the mainframe at uni with cards..........

Ah, punched cards! The good ol' days.   

[LLPunting]

+1. when I left school the electronic calculater had not long been invented ( showing my age now) most youngsters today cannot do simple addition subtraction or multiplication without using a calculator .

Over 10 years ago I gave a young (pretty) cashier in Woolies a pound coin and a penny for 51p of assorted sweets and she literally stared slack-jawed back and forth between the money in her hand, the till and me for best part of 20 secs.  I had to tell her I wanted a 50 pence piece for change and even then she was so baffled she could hardly operate the till.

[scutty brown]

It’s a month-old iPad Pro

So whose network or hotspot did you use to connect to the internet?
And are you sure the web browser hasn't been hijacked?

[scutty brown]

.............. I started my computer education by programming the mainframe at uni with cards: you used a pencil to colour in the boxes the computer was to read and take instruction from.
.:

Me too...........they had us trying to solve the Shroedinger Wave Equation with punch cards

[scutty brown]

Over 10 years ago I gave a young (pretty) cashier in Woolies a pound coin and a penny for 51p of assorted sweets and she literally stared slack-jawed back and forth between the money in her hand, the till and me for best part of 20 secs.  I had to tell her I wanted a 50 pence piece for change and even then she was so baffled she could hardly operate the till.

It used to be an adage that the clever girls went to M&S to work
the pretty ones went to Boots (cosmetic counters)
the thick ones went to Woolies

[scutty brown]

Meow.

Keep going
Cats have limited lives

[daviemac]

Meow.

Your point is?

[LLPunting]

It used to be an adage that the clever girls went to M&S to work
the pretty ones went to Boots (cosmetic counters)
the thick ones went to Woolies

Said "clever" girls would only really ever end up talking to ageing women so one has to question the "cleverness" involved in that, the retail difficulties of M&S for the past 20 years as it's struggled to broaden it's market appeal whilst its target demo has withered away also questions the "cleverness" in its workforce.  Perhaps "dull" would be the better term.

Whomever thought Boots girls were generally prettier...

These adages you refer to are REALLY old aren't they... like from the 1980s or before.

And of course pretty doesn't mean "not thick" it just means you're more likely to agree with her regardless of the nonsense and ineptitude she demonstrates.

[LLPunting]

Didn’t realise it was that complicated folks:

The card was used only recently for AW (AdultWork). AKA Awork.co.uk, as it appears on your statement.

That same day, the card was cloned for two overseas transactions.

The bank blocked the transactions and advised it was due to a earlier transaction made on Awork.co.uk.

Simples

Clearly AW is insecure. My scepticism came because the WG who’s webcam room I joined, is clearly a bit dodgy anyway. Her associates could be involved in Fraud, or ‘deets’ as they call it in London.

Just be careful. I won’t ever buy AW credits again.

Surely Ewo(r)k.co.uk would be a more anonymous entry on a statement.  "No love, it's just some Star Wars memorabilia outfit."

[scutty brown]

Said "clever" girls would only really ever end up talking to ageing women so one has to question the "cleverness" involved in that, the retail difficulties of M&S for the past 20 years as it's struggled to broaden it's market appeal whilst its target demo has withered away also questions the "cleverness" in its workforce.  Perhaps "dull" would be the better term.

Whomever thought Boots girls were generally prettier...

These adages you refer to are REALLY old aren't they... like from the 1980s or before.

And of course pretty doesn't mean "not thick" it just means you're more likely to agree with her regardless of the nonsense and ineptitude she demonstrates.

dates back to the 1940s or earlier - hand-me-down tales from my mother (but she built Spitfires....dunno where that put her on the social scale)

[LLPunting]

Well you don’t really know that for a fact. AW is a pretty cheap shitty website. Somebody with a college qualification in coding could pretty easily hack the backend so that your IP address is shown when you click a page (I.e enter webcam room) and then a link is made to your AW account including any information used/entered.

Pretty easy actually. Plus, people are at home and very desperate now.

So you couldn't enter the room unless you had enough AW credits, so the webcam girl (and her nefarious associates) couldn't strip your IP address until AFTER you paid AW for the credits.   The vendor side transaction data, particularly the code on the back of your card, shouldn't be retained outside of the transaction between AW and the payment processor which would be otherwise unknown to the webcam crew.  So you're saying the webcam crew somehow broke into and mined AW's payment system for your credit card details using your IP address as the matching variable so they could then make fraudulent purchases via proxies in a foreign land to then convert into some less than full value reward back to the webcam crew.  Really?

But if they had that access they could've just rolled on in with nobody's IP addresses and grabbed all the payment details and Dark Webbed the lot for more money perhaps but most likely more anonymity than buying shit that had to be sold and channelling (part of the) proceeds back to themselves.

Of course said master hackers may still have been stupid enough to post the goods to known associates or family members who could then be fingered by the cops once the bank passed on the details for local police action.

You're a techie are you?  Coder perhaps?  Certainly not a systems designer, security analyst, payments specialist...

[LLPunting]

...she built Spitfires....dunno where that put her on the social scale)

Absolute LEGEND I reckon 
Did you watch the Guy Martin's Spitfire episode?  Fab.

[LLPunting]

No point arguing with men who discovered the internet in their 30s/40s, or god forbid even later.

Just be careful when buying credits on AW.

Another example of your flawed logic.

The people (mostly men because of, you know, institutionalised misogyny) who invented the Internet and subsequent WWW were older than 30.  The vast majority of the seniors in all the significant tech companies, including those relating to the Internet and WWW, are over 30.
Sure there are many under 30s (children upwards) who are involved in the engineering of technology either formally or as hobbyists (including bedroom hackers) BUT they wouldn't have anything to be not wanking with if not for the over 30s. 
Most kids don't demonstrate much aptitude or obsession for complex matters in their first decade, studying most any aspect of technology to expert level takes a few years so you're championing a cohort of say 15-29s, guess what there are a whole lot more people over 30 than there are under.

[Joe Exotic]

Reign it in chaps.

Card was cloned as a result of buying AdultWork Credit. Confirmed by a large multinational bank.

Not that complicated. 

My proposal of the WG involvement was purely speculation based on:
A) the fact that it is possible
B) the fact she’s dodgy Brazilian whore and can tell she hangs with some ‘gangster’ wannabes.

Jury’s still out. Not much else to it.

[Londonpunter30]

All you actually know is the most recent transaction before the fraud was from AW.

As stated this could come from WiFi hack.  You card details could have been stolen months before and only just sold on the dark web ?

There are several explanations, have the bank done cyber forensics on AW and your devices to confirm this came from AW ?

[Joe Exotic]

Punting debit card 💳
Kidding - ha.

Won’t go into much more detail but based on brief conversation with their fraud team, the transactions were routed and categorised within their system identically to the awork.co.uk payment. Also, card had not been used for days prior. Both were immediately after AW transaction.

As originally reported:

Hours later card used was had unauthorised charge for £82 on dodgy international website.

Hours later card cloned again and unauthorised charge of £102 on a different dodgy website.

Move safely.

As you can imagine, wasn’t exactly pondering over the AW payment with the person on the phone.

[scutty brown]

External Link/Members Only actually exists as a site - looks raaather dodgy

[LLPunting]

Punting debit card 💳
Kidding - ha.

Won’t go into much more detail but based on brief conversation with their fraud team, the transactions were routed and categorised within their system identically to the awork.co.uk payment. Also, card had not been used for days prior. Both were immediately after AW transaction.

As originally reported:

As you can imagine, wasn’t exactly pondering over the AW payment with the person on the phone.

If that's the case then has AW or Awork been referred for investigation by Fraud squad and the ICO for potential data breach?

[Joe Exotic]

If that's the case then has AW or Awork been referred for investigation by Fraud squad and the ICO for potential data breach?

Yes - correct

[Joe Exotic]

External Link/Members Only actually exists as a site - looks raaather dodgy

Ha woah. Extremely dodgy!!

[scutty brown]

Ha woah. Extremely dodgy!!

that appears to be where the money has gone

[CatBBW]

Reign it in chaps.

Card was cloned as a result of buying AdultWork Credit. Confirmed by a large multinational bank.

Not that complicated. 

My proposal of the WG involvement was purely speculation based on:
A) the fact that it is possible
B) the fact she’s dodgy Brazilian whore and can tell she hangs with some ‘gangster’ wannabes.

Jury’s still out. Not much else to it.

It's not. It really really isn't possible. We really really REALLY do not see any card details. You put in the card details to purchase AW's cyber-currency from AW. We WGs (or pimps, or managers, or boyfriends, etc) don't see any of this transaction. That currency gets added to our account after the cam session is finished.

It's actually more likely that you have a virus/malware that's read your card details as you typed them in.