removal of condom during sex

[Strawberry]

A question for the service providers, once someone is inside you can you not feel the difference between a covered and an uncovered cock. I only ask because a girl I was having sex with didn't seem to notice that the condom was only just on at the end of my penis and I only noticed when I pulled out because I thought it had come of completely but I was surprised that she had not noticed. She was not the sort of escort who carried out unprotected sex. Thanks.

I can feel a difference if a condom splits, and will sometimes check if I do sense a change but haven't had one split for at least 5 years . So yes there can be a difference but detecting that may depend on how experienced the woman is, has she connected sensations with splits.

[winkywanky]

It goes back to what I said on my previous point:

If there is a chance of an interaction producing a negative result, but you have the opportunity to completely eliminate the possibility of the interaction occurring and you would not be negatively impacted by the loss of that interaction in any significant manner, you would take the chance to eliminate the possibility that you would find yourself in that said interaction that has the chance to become negative in the first place no?

No matter how small the chance is of that interaction happening, and then for that interaction to turn out negative...most people would try to eliminate the occurrence of the interaction taking place, if there was a perception that the interaction could lead to a negative outcome.

I believe it's a mixture of both incidents and perceptions melding together to create a narrative; which leads to my previous point of It's easier to put up sorry no "xyz due to previous bad experiences" than to take each situation as it comes and judge accordingly.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'a narrative'?

I've acknowledged your point about a WG seeing less of a financial loss if she blocks a group who make up a relatively small number of her bookings. That's logical.

But what's also logical is that she wouldn't block that group if she thought they posed no higher risk to her. Because like I said, she'd merely be replacing them with guys who she saw as a similar risk. That doesn't make sense.

If a particular WG decides that Black punters pose a disproportionately higher risk to her, and as far as she's concerned she's basing that on her past experience, then no-one can tell her who she can or can't see, and that's the way it ought to be.

There's basically two possibilities: either she simply perceives that increased risk to be real, or in her experience it is real. Only she can know that.

I'm not suggesting Black punters are always more tricky or violent, they clearly are not, otherwise the NBA policy would be a lot more widespread than it is. Nevertheless it seems a significant number of WGs find it to be so.

[jordan452]

I can feel a difference if a condom splits, and will sometimes check if I do sense a change but haven't had one split for at least 5 years . So yes there can be a difference but detecting that may depend on how experienced the woman is, has she connected sensations with splits.

Hypothetically what if the punter realised the condom split but kept going and didn’t say anything, and you somehow was able to tell this occurred? Perhaps you had a extra mirror and could see what was going on.
 
Context: The punter didn’t intentionally split the condom which you knew but he didn’t say anything. After you questioned why, the punter explained he wanted to avoid a argument in the middle of fucking. Because he knew you would overreact therefore he would lose a hard on, and his time would run out.
   
Would you classify that as stealthing?

[winkywanky]

I would.

[Strawberry]

Hypothetically what if the punter realised the condom split but kept going and didn’t say anything, and you somehow was able to tell this occurred? Perhaps you had a extra mirror and could see what was going on.
 
Context: The punter didn’t intentionally split the condom which you knew but he didn’t say anything. After you questioned why, the punter explained he wanted to avoid a argument in the middle of fucking. Because he knew you would overreact therefore he would lose a hard on, and his time would run out.
   
Would you classify that as stealthing?

Responsibility is a two way thing, if he knows then he should stop.

How does he know I'll over react, and what is over reacting?

To me it's far worse if he knowingly carries on.

[winkywanky]

If the condom splits and the punter becomes aware of this, of course he should stop.

So what if it fucks up his punt or puts him off his stroke?

It's perhaps not as bad as intentionally barebacking a WG, but not stopping means he's intentionally carrying on with it and further increasing the risk of STI transmission.

[Donnie69]

A problem can be knowing if a condom break is deliberate or not. I had a condom break, and I told the girl and we stopped. She was perfectly OK about it. It did interrupt the flow a bit.

[winkywanky]

A problem can be knowing if a condom break is deliberate or not. I had a condom break, and I told the girl and we stopped. She was perfectly OK about it. It did interrupt the flow a bit.

It would, but you did the right thing 

[jordan452]

How does he know I'll over react, and what is over reacting?

Hypothetically lets say this punters a regular it happened before, when it did occur you delayed replacing the condom, you then went on to one sidedly accuse him of having a STI and went on a rant.
 
During the rant the punters trying to maintain a erection, but goes soft. When the booking resumes times up.
 
Unintentionally the condom split for a second time in a different booking. He realised he hasn’t said anything, because of the last overreaction he kept going.
 
But you caught him would you or any other WG view that as steathing?

[winkywanky]

Hypothetically lets say this punters a regular it happened before, when it did occur you delayed replacing the condom, you then went on to one sidedly accuse him of having a STI and went on a rant.
 
During the rant the punters trying to maintain a erection, but goes soft. When the booking resumes times up.
 
Unintentionally the condom split for a second time in a different booking. He realised he hasn’t said anything, because of the last overreaction he kept going.
 
But you caught him would you or any other WG view that as steathing?

Excuse me for butting in this convo, but it sounds to me like you're trying to come up with 'reasons' why you wouldn't necessarily say anything if the condom split.

There's no way to dress it up, if the condom splits and you say nothing, it's just downright WRONG, whether you think it'll fuck up your punt or not.

Shit happens, but FFS, just do the right thing.

Jeez, can't fucking believe this...

[daviemac]

Excuse me for butting in this convo, but it sounds to me like you're trying to come up with 'reasons' why you wouldn't necessarily say anything if the condom split.

There's no way to dress it up, if the condom splits and you say nothing, it's just downright WRONG, whether you think it'll fuck up your punt or not.

Shit happens, but FFS, just do the right thing.

Jeez, can't fucking believe this...

I was just going to post the same myself. If you know the condom has split you stop and deal with it, even if that means cutting the booking short. In my mind if you continue knowing you have no condom on it's rape.

[Fuzzyduck]

I was just going to post the same myself. If you know the condom has split you stop and deal with it, even if that means cutting the booking short. In my mind if you continue knowing you have no condom on it's rape.

+1

TBH, I don't even understand why there has been a debate. A condom is used for a reason and is part of the agreed contract for the fuck, be it in civvie life or in a punt. If the condom fails, then you need to seek alternative action to address whatever it is you're protecting against.

[jordan452]

I was just going to post the same myself. If you know the condom has split you stop and deal with it, even if that means cutting the booking short. In my mind if you continue knowing you have no condom on it's rape.

   
But now what about hypothetical situations where they accuse you of seeing a split condom but you didn’t. That could leave a lot of punters exposed.
 

[Strawberry]

   
But now what about hypothetical situations where they accuse you of seeing a split condom but you didn’t. That could leave a lot of punters exposed.

I have heard of accusations being made, also of some guys purposely splitting or removing.

This is why condom awareness is really important, for everyone involved.

I've seen guys pulling it tight over the head, then performing the bouncing porn star technique in which cock exits and enters on each stroke(which can also be quite painful). Either of these in my experience, especially along with not enough lube contribute to condom split. I will now carefully stop (without drama) advise and explain if any of this happens, it's really important.

[Strawberry]

Hypothetically lets say this punters a regular it happened before, when it did occur you delayed replacing the condom, you then went on to one sidedly accuse him of having a STI and went on a rant.
 
During the rant the punters trying to maintain a erection, but goes soft. When the booking resumes times up.
 
Unintentionally the condom split for a second time in a different booking. He realised he hasn’t said anything, because of the last overreaction he kept going.
 
But you caught him would you or any other WG view that as steathing?

Firstly I wouldn't rant about the first in the first place, plus both have to be responsible sex is between two (or more) adults (apart from fear during rape) it's not about being too scared to do anything. I'd be asking what he is doing in the booking if he cannot stop and say something when he knows the condom is split.

It's really important and a poor excuse.

Also if it's split with one person once, I would go very easy the second time - but of course not everyone knows why condoms split, I didn't until it happened a few times and I started realising the common factors.

[winkywanky]

   
But now what about hypothetical situations where they accuse you of seeing a split condom but you didn’t. That could leave a lot of punters exposed.

If halfway through fucking the girl you announce sincerely that the condom has split, she's hardly likely to say you did it on purpose is she? If you did it on purpose you'd tell her at the end.

I still cannot see the logic behind what you're saying, it makes no sense. Just do the right thing.

I'm just remembering now, there was another poster on here who would come up with all kinds of 'hypothetical' scenarios which actually had no relevance to the matter in hand.

What you should do is very simple, just do it. Anything else just makes you look devious 

[daviemac]

   
But now what about hypothetical situations where they accuse you of seeing a split condom but you didn’t. That could leave a lot of punters exposed.

What if they accuse you of rape, what if they say you asked for bareback, what if they said you short changed them, what if what if what if, you can go on all day with what ifs. Deal in facts deal with it if and when it arises. Whichever way it goes, should it ever happen, could be reflected in the review.

You do know that if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle don't you.   

[Malvolio]

Introducing some realism into this debate, I've never had a condom split on me during sex.

If this has ever happened to you, can you say how often it occurs?

[Bonker]

It's happened to me 3 times in 15 years, give or take. Once was because the WG, and I, didn't realise it wasn't on properly - air bubble left in.

In each case, both parties were worried about the consequences.

[daviemac]

Introducing some realism into this debate, I've never had a condom split on me during sex.

If this has ever happened to you, can you say how often it occurs?

It's only ever happened with me once, many years ago. Fortunately it was with a civvie in the early stages of our relationship and she had just started the pill. I would suspect it wasn't on properly but to be honest I didn't notice it had split, I couldn't feel it and couldn't see either. I did find it took me longer to cum and when I pulled out it had rolled up at the base of my cock like a cock ring.

[webpunter]

Am surprised it took you longer to cum
Would have thought the other way round
With all the warm inviting fanny batter flowing around & heightened senses

Was banging a civvie & thought it felt a bit different
Main reason being my foreskin delightfully sliding back & forth
After maybe 30 secs we looked at each other
Got another and started over

A hooker was banging me in cow girl & the same happened
She hopped off like a leaping frog
Too quick for me to notice

The good news is that if this happens then you have to be unlucky to catch something
Especially when its like seconds until the fast withdraw in the west
If you carry on the odds change
Catching the big one ain't gonna happen unless you carry on for ages
A few exceptions but nothing to present any material risk
I'm sure the in house doc will confirm the same

It's only ever happened with me once, many years ago. Fortunately it was with a civvie in the early stages of our relationship and she had just started the pill. I would suspect it wasn't on properly but to be honest I didn't notice it had split, I couldn't feel it and couldn't see either. I did find it took me longer to cum and when I pulled out it had rolled up at the base of my cock like a cock ring.

[daviemac]

Am surprised it took you longer to cum
Would have thought the other way round
With all the warm inviting fanny batter flowing around & heightened senses

I suspect there'd been an air gap at the top and it was there where it split, I think it sort of rolled on it's self and got thicker and tighter as it went down. She was anything but dry.