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Just noticed Marcus Rashford open letter..

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Is this genuine or footballers have been shamed by Matt Hancocks claim that they needed to step up and do something to help...Seems a bit strange there was little heard from them until they were told off..

Now they all seem to jump on the socially aware bandwagon
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Just noticed Marcus Rashford open letter..

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Is this genuine or footballers have been shamed by Matt Hancocks claim that they needed to step up and do something to help...Seems a bit strange there was little heard from them until they were told off..

Now they all seem to jump on the socially aware bandwagon

Rashford has been supporting vulnerable families all lockdown...there's been some press about it.
Hancock can go fuck himself - as can the rest of the spineless cunts in govt!

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Rashford has been supporting vulnerable families all lockdown...there's been some press about it.
Hancock can go fuck himself - as can the rest of the spineless cunts in govt!

Thanks I didn’t realise he had been supporting since the beginning of March it’s reassuring there are some genuine caring people out there  :hi:

Doesn’t excuse the other lazy fuckers who’s social conscious took time to develop..

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Thanks I didn’t realise he had been supporting since the beginning of March it’s reassuring there are some genuine caring people out there  :hi:

Doesn’t excuse the other lazy fuckers who’s social conscious took time to develop..

He raised £20m to ensure vulnerable kids had a proper meal during the school holidays and extended break.
He is a true star and a gentleman and makes Hancock look the prize prick he is.
When he was still a trainee he asked United if they could pay him a bit more in some way or other to support his mum and 4 siblings.
I understand the first thing he did when he started being paid decent money was buy his mum a house.
An absolute Star.

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He raised £20m to ensure vulnerable kids had a proper meal during the school holidays and extended break.
He is a true star and a gentleman and makes Hancock look the prize prick he is.
When he was still a trainee he asked United if they could pay him a bit more in some way or other to support his mum and 4 siblings.
I understand the first thing he did when he started being paid decent money was buy his mum a house.
An absolute Star.

Yes; I've absolutely no time for Manchester Un-tied; but I have an immense amount of respect for that young man. He's obviously been brought up well.

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Rashford strikes me as someone who loves what he does and genuinely seems like a nice guy who hasn’t been overwhelmed with the fame and fortune that has come his way.

He’s actively involved with the youth set up at Manchester United and gives more back then other footballers his age. Hancock is just another smug prick.

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Boris Johnson to provide free school meal vouchers in major U-turn after Marcus Rashford campaign

Parents to get £15 a week to spend in supermarkets on food for disadvantaged children, after PM drops his opposition

Well done Marcus.  Makes me feel so proud to witness this uturn

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Trashford wouldn’t think to do that on his own!
He can hardly string a sentence together, so there is no way he wrote that letter!
He is being used by the looney left to embarrass Mr Johnson and his government.
A pound to a penny these ‘families’ have got mobile phones, big TV’s with Sky etc.
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Boris Johnson to provide free school meal vouchers in major U-turn after Marcus Rashford campaign

Parents to get £15 a week to spend in supermarkets on food for disadvantaged children, after PM drops his opposition

Well done Marcus.  Makes me feel so proud to witness this uturn

I agree fantastic news. Marcus has really stepped up to the plate it’s good to see someone so young be so passionate

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Rashford has been supporting vulnerable families all lockdown...there's been some press about it.
Hancock can go fuck himself - as can the rest of the spineless cunts in govt!

Trashford earns three times Handcock’s annual salary per week!
All for kicking - badly! - a pigs bladder about!
Someone is using him!
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I agree fantastic news. Marcus has really stepped up to the plate it’s good to see someone so young be so passionate

Maybe he should read this, then he will know he if funding trashy families!

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Parents have been using vouchers designed to replace free school meals to try and buy alcohol, cigarettes, bras and Lego, according to supermarket staff.

The vouchers scheme was introduced to ensure children didn't go hungry as parent were forced to spend more feeding them while schools were closed, but a worker at an Asda store told the Hull Daily Mail parents seemed to see them as free money instead.

Instead of food for their children, many are trying parents have to use the vouchers for non-grocery items even though some specify they should not be used to buy alcohol, cigarettes or lottery tickets.

"We've literally had abuse from customers who want to buy alcohol with them when we refuse," she said.
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There are many footballers who give to charitable causes but we just don't hear about it. As for Rashford, all I can say is Chapeau, sir!

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Trashford earns three times Handcock’s annual salary per week!
All for kicking - badly! - a pigs bladder about!
Someone is using him!

Yet another rubbish comment from one of our resident extremists.

Sensible punters on here know what the real situation is.
....and it's certainly not anything from you.

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Yet another rubbish comment from one of our resident extremists.

Sensible punters on here know what the real situation is.
....and it's certainly not anything from you.

Beamer, I wouldn't even bother responding to someone like that. If anything I pity that someone feels the need to advance their warped 'agenda' on a punting site, of all places.   

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Beamer, I wouldn't even bother responding to someone like that. If anything I pity that someone feels the need to advance their warped 'agenda' on a punting site, of all places.   

Thanks ratedj.

You are right of course. 

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Yet another rubbish comment from one of our resident extremists.

Sensible punters on here know what the real situation is.
....and it's certainly not anything from you.

He is just a troll looking for a reaction.

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I think what Rashford has done is great but although he didn't go over the top with it, he did politicise it somewhat by saying something along the lines of 'coming from a Black family...etc, etc'.

It shouldn't be about that and I wish he hadn't said that. Everyone will get to benefit from this and that's great but why make it part of a separate issue? Unless he sees it as the same issue, in which case I would disagree with that, and it further perpetuates the feeling amongst BAME that they are 'always neglected simply because they are BAME'.

It's getting right on my tits, truth be told.

It will contribute greatly to hundreds of thousands of Black kids growing up with a chip on their shoulder about this, as well as all the other stuff which is currently being lumped in with it since the killing of Floyd, and it won't end well.

What is so often seen as racial inequality these days is actually a matter of social inequality, they are NOT the same thing, they are separate.

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Is there any tracker showing charitable effort by footballers (and their wives)?

Highly laudable as the efforts are what's the proportion of disproportionately remunerated players (say over 90k pa) who aren't doing much if anything, particularly at this time?

What became of the whole "players taking cuts so that non-player staff didn't have to be furloughed"?

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Beamer, I wouldn't even bother responding to someone like that. If anything I pity that someone feels the need to advance their warped 'agenda' on a punting site, of all places.   

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I think what Rashford has done is great but although he didn't go over the top with it, he did politicise it somewhat by saying something along the lines of 'coming from a Black family...etc, etc'.

It shouldn't be about that and I wish he hadn't said that. Everyone will get to benefit from this and that's great but why make it part of a separate issue? Unless he sees it as the same issue, in which case I would disagree with that, and it further perpetuates the feeling amongst BAME that they are 'always neglected simply because they are BAME'.

It's getting right on my tits, truth be told.

It will contribute greatly to hundreds of thousands of Black kids growing up with a chip on their shoulder about this, as well as all the other stuff which is currently being lumped in with it since the killing of Floyd, and it won't end well.

What is so often seen as racial inequality these days is actually a matter of social inequality, they are NOT the same thing, they are separate.

Well thought out and well put.
It’s obvious Trashford has been used to further their agenda,
He hasn’t got the intelligence to think this out for himself!
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I think what Rashford has done is great but although he didn't go over the top with it, he did politicise it somewhat by saying something along the lines of 'coming from a Black family...etc, etc'.

It shouldn't be about that and I wish he hadn't said that. Everyone will get to benefit from this and that's great but why make it part of a separate issue? Unless he sees it as the same issue, in which case I would disagree with that, and it further perpetuates the feeling amongst BAME that they are 'always neglected simply because they are BAME'.

It's getting right on my tits, truth be told.

It will contribute greatly to hundreds of thousands of Black kids growing up with a chip on their shoulder about this, as well as all the other stuff which is currently being lumped in with it since the killing of Floyd, and it won't end well.

What is so often seen as racial inequality these days is actually a matter of social inequality, they are NOT the same thing, they are separate.

Technically it is "just poverty" that's the cause.  Social inequality is perhaps one of the most significant classifiers above that base but racial inequality is entangled in there.  Denial of opportunity either by direct and overt discrimination or via more insidious means often leads to enforced impoverishment as well as alienation and frustration that can cause mental issues or breed hate, stress, frustration, dissatisfaction and other detrimental psycho-sociological conditions, none of which are conducive to encouraging success and happiness.  Repression is a very broad church of hate that attempts to keep some above all others.

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Which 'em are you talking about?

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Well thought out and well put.
It’s obvious Trashford has been used to further their agenda,
He hasn’t got the intelligence to think this out for himself!

Is the young gent white?
Do you know the man personally to make the assessment on his intellect?  Your demonstrated "intellect" would suggest you're incapable of many other things except perhaps bigotry.

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Trashford wouldn’t think to do that on his own!
He can hardly string a sentence together, so there is no way he wrote that letter!
He is being used by the looney left to embarrass Mr Johnson and his government.
A pound to a penny these ‘families’ have got mobile phones, big TV’s with Sky etc.

Try watching these if your ability to string a sentence together can keep up:
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Technically it is "just poverty" that's the cause.  Social inequality is perhaps one of the most significant classifiers above that base but racial inequality is entangled in there.  Denial of opportunity either by direct and overt discrimination or via more insidious means often leads to enforced impoverishment as well as alienation and frustration that can cause mental issues or breed hate, stress, frustration, dissatisfaction and other detrimental psycho-sociological conditions, none of which are conducive to encouraging success and happiness.  Repression is a very broad church of hate that attempts to keep some above all others.


That's a long and comprehensive list and I would agree with all of those, to a lesser or greater degree.

I would add one other though, which is an in-built perception of automatic failure among many, which I think also plays a part. Understandable, and a lot of that will stem from past injustices, somehow engendering a feeling of 'victimhood'. Sometimes there's no bigger barrier than the one you put up yourself, by thinking there's one there when there really isn't.

Also there can be a feeling of something 'owed to you' for past unjustices. I don't think that's necessarily very common but from what I see and hear it does exist. That will also have a negative effect.

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Is there any tracker showing charitable effort by footballers (and their wives)?

Highly laudable as the efforts are what's the proportion of disproportionately remunerated players (say over 90k pa) who aren't doing much if anything, particularly at this time?

What became of the whole "players taking cuts so that non-player staff didn't have to be furloughed"?
There's a list here of premier league players publicly backing and donating to the #PlayersTogether initiative, aimed at providing support to the NHS during the coronavirus pandemic. England women's team have donated as well.  Raised over 4 million I believe.  All the Newcastle players signed up to it, even the ones not in the premier league squad and the ones who've been told to find a new club.

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Which 'em are you talking about?

Kids, of course! And you talk to me about intelligence!  :rolleyes:
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That's a long and comprehensive list and I would agree with all of those, to a lesser or greater degree.

I would add one other though, which is an in-built perception of automatic failure among many, which I think also plays a part. Understandable, and a lot of that will stem from past injustices, somehow engendering a feeling of 'victimhood'. Sometimes there's no bigger barrier than the one you put up yourself, by thinking there's one there when there really isn't.

Also there can be a feeling of something 'owed to you' for past unjustices. I don't think that's necessarily very common but from what I see and hear it does exist. That will also have a negative effect.

Indeed ingrained sense of inferiority at a personal or group level is a horrendous obstacle to overcome but that's the point of outreach and positive discrimination efforts (albeit they need to be well judged).

Entitlement is something also to be banished but that is a problem for the white UK populace to address amongst themselves as a society far more urgently not just those who justifiably are entitled to some affirmative action because of past and persisting prejudices and acts of subjugation. 

Our efforts to elevate all children in schools isn't supported by any number of inadequacies that are perpetuated outside of them.  It is the wilfully piecemeal approach from all stripes of local and national governments that was and is designed to fail.  You cannot raise new generations of achievers from the previously "forgotten" and downtrodden by failing to coordinate all aspects of support for their deficient lifestyles. 
If you succeed there, you cannot employ these now "entitled" highly capable individuals without industries and opportunities that are seen as worthwhile, that means recognising all necessary roles in a successfully functioning society, it means "decelebretising" vacuous and vain occupations which do nothing to improve the function of a healthy and productive society and much to inhibit it.   Alas this is all popularised as anti-capitalist and anathema to freedom (aka how to be selfish and not be judged), sjws aren't the problem it's the long-established and entrenched asjws in control that are.

Coordination necessitates cooperation, collaboration and thus a societal effort to not only support the unfairly treated but to discriminate against those who fail to cooperate and collaborate regardless of their position in society.

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Apart from a few posts, have you noticed I have ignored you since you rejoined!?  :sarcastic:
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Indeed ingrained sense of inferiority at a personal or group level is a horrendous obstacle to overcome but that's the point of outreach and positive discrimination efforts (albeit they need to be well judged).

Entitlement is something also to be banished but that is a problem for the white UK populace to address amongst themselves as a society far more urgently not just those who justifiably are entitled to some affirmative action because of past and persisting prejudices and acts of subjugation. 

Our efforts to elevate all children in schools isn't supported by any number of inadequacies that are perpetuated outside of them.  It is the wilfully piecemeal approach from all stripes of local and national governments that was and is designed to fail.  You cannot raise new generations of achievers from the previously "forgotten" and downtrodden by failing to coordinate all aspects of support for their deficient lifestyles. 
If you succeed there, you cannot employ these now "entitled" highly capable individuals without industries and opportunities that are seen as worthwhile, that means recognising all necessary roles in a successfully functioning society, it means "decelebretising" vacuous and vain occupations which do nothing to improve the function of a healthy and productive society and much to inhibit it.   Alas this is all popularised as anti-capitalist and anathema to freedom (aka how to be selfish and not be judged), sjws aren't the problem it's the long-established and entrenched asjws in control that are.

Coordination necessitates cooperation, collaboration and thus a societal effort to not only support the unfairly treated but to discriminate against those who fail to cooperate and collaborate regardless of their position in society.


I don't see why any sense of entitlement in the White community is any more or less pernicious than it would be in the Black community? It's always undesirable if you strive for a meritocratic society, wherever you find it.

For the many years before the higher levels of immigration into the UK from the mid-20th Century onwards, the indigenous White, 'working class' population was treated like shit and in many cases, effectively on a par with slavery in all but name. Be that the Agrarian system pre-Industrial Revolution, or after, working in a sweatshop factory or down a coalmine with no real alternative whatsoever, depending on where you lived. Six yr-old kids going up chimneys as recently as Victorian times. It was often a life of grim servitude. I wouldn't compare that with being snatched and effectively raped from your own country but it isn't a lot better.

It seems to me that so much of the bad feeling that the Black community in particular have in relation to their place within the UK, is to do with their background of Slavery. And that has been highlighted very much over the past few weeks. There are many ethnic minorities in the UK, and the Black community are far from being the biggest group at around 3% of the total UK population. I won't suggest for one moment that there hasn't been bad racism in the past, and that it doesn't still exist, but there certainly seems to be a deep-down feeling of hurt and resentment that the Black community feels when compared with other ethnic racial groups. And this is when they are living in very similar conditions, often in the same cities. Along with many Whites too of course.

I really don't know what the answer is to that, but I think it's certainly the case that at some point there needs to be a bit of 'give' from that underlying standpoint. It was 250yrs ago and what happens now seems to keep being linked with what happened then. At what point will that end? I don't take any pleasure in saying this (and it's my opinion of course) but it does seem very obvious to me that change in attitudes can't all come from one side.

There'll be a growing feeling of 'special treatment being dished out' if we're not careful and in the first instance the usual Right Wing nutters will start to come out of the woodwork. But more worrying than that is that feeling spreading further.

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I don't see why any sense of entitlement in the White community is any more or less pernicious than it would be in the Black community? It's always undesirable if you strive for a meritocratic society, wherever you find it.

For the many years before the higher levels of immigration into the UK from the mid-20th Century onwards, the indigenous White, 'working class' population was treated like shit and in many cases, effectively on a par with slavery in all but name. Be that the Agrarian system pre-Industrial Revolution, or after, working in a sweatshop factory or down a coalmine with no real alternative whatsoever, depending on where you lived. Six yr-old kids going up chimneys as recently as Victorian times. It was often a life of grim servitude. I wouldn't compare that with being snatched and effectively raped from your own country but it isn't a lot better.

It seems to me that so much of the bad feeling that the Black community in particular have in relation to their place within the UK, is to do with their background of Slavery. And that has been highlighted very much over the past few weeks. There are many ethnic minorities in the UK, and the Black community are far from being the biggest group at around 3% of the total UK population. I won't suggest for one moment that there hasn't been bad racism in the past, and that it doesn't still exist, but there certainly seems to be a deep-down feeling of hurt and resentment that the Black community feels when compared with other ethnic racial groups. And this is when they are living in very similar conditions, often in the same cities. Along with many Whites too of course.

I really don't know what the answer is to that, but I think it's certainly the case that at some point there needs to be a bit of 'give' from that underlying standpoint. It was 250yrs ago and what happens now seems to keep being linked with what happened then. At what point will that end? I don't take any pleasure in saying this (and it's my opinion of course) but it does seem very obvious to me that change in attitudes can't all come from one side.

There'll be a growing feeling of 'special treatment being dished out' if we're not careful and in the first instance the usual Right Wing nutters will start to come out of the woodwork. But more worrying than that is that feeling spreading further.

Indeed WW and there's the point, in this "locality" the (generationally) dispossessed poor whites feel (justifiably) that they deserve special assistance BUT often that's at the cost of any equal entitlement for the more recent immigrant labour who replaced them at the shit end of working wedge.
In an enlightened, compassionate, indiscriminate society then a member qualifies for assistance based on fundamental needs alone and everyone recognises and supports that.  We have plenty of promising examples over the many years of proper, good-natured integration and neighbourliness but the divisive nature of "wing" driven politics means that the centrist majority are left without a viable option that maintains a dominant and celebrated centrist bent to national policy.

The "entitlement" I was alluding to is a broader thing that applies to the entitled behaviours at all levels of our white society, each sub-group feeling they're owed a suck of a different teat with different conditions of admittance to each teat.  Ironically much of this entitlement is no longer race-biased, it's about the perpetuation and propagation of wealthy inequality.  African, Chinese, Hispanic, Arab, Spanish, Italian, et al all dodge the taxes due as much as they are able whilst exploiting every wealth associated benefit and encouragement that successive local and national governments and interest groups bribe them with.

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I think what I'm getting at is that the entitlement of say, the great British working class isn't based particularly on previous historic injustices or on race, it's based on greed or basically just getting what you can from the system. For example British Leyland in the 70s, and in the present day, Tube drivers.

In the case of the BAME community, or more specifically the Black community, there is I think a sense of entitlement from some, for basically historical reasons. And that's more concerning because it can never be resolved. They'll always be Black, and the Man will always be White (ie the 'Establishment'). If that proliferates it'll be never-ending.




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I think what I'm getting at is that the entitlement of say, the great British working class isn't based particularly on previous historic injustices or on race, it's based on greed or basically just getting what you can from the system. For example British Leyland in the 70s, and in the present day, Tube drivers.

In the case of the BAME community, or more specifically the Black community, there is I think a sense of entitlement from some, for basically historical reasons. And that's more concerning because it can never be resolved. They'll always be Black, and the Man will always be White (ie the 'Establishment'). If that proliferates it'll be never-ending.

I don't believe (and would hate to think) that there is any sizeable proportion of the black community whose only intent is financial redress for generations-past discrimination substantial enough that they luxuriate in never having to work again.  Most just want the few proverbial knees off their necks and backs so they can freely endeavour to be whoever they productively want to be.

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I don't believe (and would hate to think) that there is any sizeable proportion of the black community whose only intent is financial redress for generations-past discrimination substantial enough that they luxuriate in never having to work again.  Most just want the few proverbial knees off their necks and backs so they can freely endeavour to be whoever they productively want to be.


I don't mean financial redress as such, and I don't think I suggested as much.

I'm thinking more that many feel there should be some kind of special/extraordinary help before they'll even consider - or feel they have the option to - really make something of their lives. At least outside of the stereotyped aspirations of Football, Athletics, Music etc. If you want to use the knee on the neck analogy, I would say the knee on the neck is a rarity in the UK, nevertheless it seems frequently mentioned.

It seems so often that when asked, young kids (or even older) say 'why would I even think of doing that, there's no-one there already doing it that looks like me?' That's not a knee on the neck. The point I'm making is that there's not normally someone trying to stop them doing what they want, any more than any other groups. But you have to want to do it, and there's only so much help you can give to encourage someone to feel that way.

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Just noticed Marcus Rashford open letter..

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Is this genuine or footballers have been shamed by Matt Hancocks claim that they needed to step up and do something to help...Seems a bit strange there was little heard from them until they were told off..

Now they all seem to jump on the socially aware bandwagon



Mr Rashford's appeal was no doubt heartfelt. And 120 million quid is nothing to the government, and solves the problem of a great many kids going hungry.

But the assumption is that there are tens of thousands of parents out there who are totally incapable of feeding their kids. How does that actually happen? Isn't the prime directive of all parents to make sure their kids are fed properly? To me, as a parent, it is inconceivable that I would rely on the State to feed my children, no matter what. It is not the job of the State to do that. It's my job.

If you can be bothered to shop and cook properly, and it's not THAT difficult, you can prepare healthy meals for kids easily and cheaply. And compared to when I was a kid, supermarkets are open all hours, and the real cost of food is lower than it's ever been.





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I don't mean financial redress as such, and I don't think I suggested as much.

I'm thinking more that many feel there should be some kind of special/extraordinary help before they'll even consider - or feel they have the option to - really make something of their lives. At least outside of the stereotyped aspirations of Football, Athletics, Music etc. If you want to use the knee on the neck analogy, I would say the knee on the neck is a rarity in the UK, nevertheless it seems frequently mentioned.

It seems so often that when asked, young kids (or even older) say 'why would I even think of doing that, there's no-one there already doing it that looks like me?' That's not a knee on the neck. The point I'm making is that there's not normally someone trying to stop them doing what they want, any more than any other groups. But you have to want to do it, and there's only so much help you can give to encourage someone to feel that way.

That's what outreach is about; job experience and short internships with meaningful roles.  It's what role-modelling is about, race representation is available in all walks of life.  At the beginning and for a while there will be the unconscious barriers there of not-the-same-educational-background, not-the-same-accent, not-the-same-class and not-the-same-"attitude" but these should be overcome by those genuinely recognising merit and ability.  Those who enter into such opportunities in good faith should recognise that some of their behaviours will need to change, it's not an unconditional acceptance into the workplace.  If all they're going to do is shout, curse and be belligerent then that's not a race thing that's a thug thing, there are plenty of mild-mannered people of all colours, backgrounds and religions to show it's not an impossible or even exceptional attitude to have.

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Mr Rashford's appeal was no doubt heartfelt. And 120 million quid is nothing to the government, and solves the problem of a great many kids going hungry.

But the assumption is that there are tens of thousands of parents out there who are totally incapable of feeding their kids. How does that actually happen? Isn't the prime directive of all parents to make sure their kids are fed properly? To me, as a parent, it is inconceivable that I would rely on the State to feed my children, no matter what. It is not the job of the State to do that. It's my job.

If you can be bothered to shop and cook properly, and it's not THAT difficult, you can prepare healthy meals for kids easily and cheaply. And compared to when I was a kid, supermarkets are open all hours, and the real cost of food is lower than it's ever been.

Fuck me!  You're a decent man at heart!  Ya big softie!  Oh, you're such a fraud!  :rose:

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That's what outreach is about; job experience and short internships with meaningful roles.  It's what role-modelling is about, race representation is available in all walks of life.  At the beginning and for a while there will be the unconscious barriers there of not-the-same-educational-background, not-the-same-accent, not-the-same-class and not-the-same-"attitude" but these should be overcome by those genuinely recognising merit and ability.  Those who enter into such opportunities in good faith should recognise that some of their behaviours will need to change, it's not an unconditional acceptance into the workplace.  If all they're going to do is shout, curse and be belligerent then that's not a race thing that's a thug thing, there are plenty of mild-mannered people of all colours, backgrounds and religions to show it's not an impossible or even exceptional attitude to have.

A big Amen to all of that  :thumbsup:.

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I’ve had him on “ignore” for a while, nice to see he’s finally been hoyed out! Everyone has an opinion but some people just are something else. He really won’t be missed

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I think you're right, he could be amusing sometimes but not many redeeming features really  :rolleyes:.

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Mr Rashford's appeal was no doubt heartfelt. And 120 million quid is nothing to the government, and solves the problem of a great many kids going hungry.

But the assumption is that there are tens of thousands of parents out there who are totally incapable of feeding their kids. How does that actually happen? Isn't the prime directive of all parents to make sure their kids are fed properly? To me, as a parent, it is inconceivable that I would rely on the State to feed my children, no matter what. It is not the job of the State to do that. It's my job.

If you can be bothered to shop and cook properly, and it's not THAT difficult, you can prepare healthy meals for kids easily and cheaply. And compared to when I was a kid, supermarkets are open all hours, and the real cost of food is lower than it's ever been.

No one is doubting that preparing cheap healthy food is not that difficult, but there are a lot of incompetent folk out there, and its the children who suffer.

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No one is doubting that preparing cheap healthy food is not that difficult, but there are a lot of incompetent folk out there, and its the children who suffer.


Sad but very true  :(.

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No one is doubting that preparing cheap healthy food is not that difficult, but there are a lot of incompetent folk out there, and its the children who suffer.

It's not even incompetence, cutting yourself with a knife is incompetence, being unable to make a salad or use a microwave to make rice or boil potatoes to make mash or get some cheap meat pieces from Lidl/Aldi and a jar of sauce to spend 5 mins over a frying pan is just a case of can't be fucking arsed to care for your sprogs.
The least that should happen is compulsory sterilisation.  I wouldn't even put their corpses in Soylent Green for fear of contaminating the gene pool.

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It's not even incompetence, cutting yourself with a knife is incompetence, being unable to make a salad or use a microwave to make rice or boil potatoes to make mash or get some cheap meat pieces from Lidl/Aldi and a jar of sauce to spend 5 mins over a frying pan is just a case of can't be fucking arsed to care for your sprogs.
The least that should happen is compulsory sterilisation.  I wouldn't even put their corpses in Soylent Green for fear of contaminating the gene pool.
If there was an easy solution to dealing with the underclass, we would have done it by now, ian Duncan smith seems to be the only politician of note , to have ever shown any interest in dealing with the problem, to get people to change carrot and stick works best.

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No one is doubting that preparing cheap healthy food is not that difficult, but there are a lot of incompetent folk out there, and its the children who suffer.

True enough. So then the question is, how did so many people end up being so incompetent at looking after their own children?

And mixed up in the question is this: how come so many kids are obese these days?

There isn't a simple answer, but successive governments have incrementally increased the presence and influence of the State in child-rearing, at the same time as some parents seem to have given up.

Everyone's applauding Mr Rashford, but this is all part of that same process.


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True enough. So then the question is, how did so many people end up being so incompetent at looking after their own children?

And mixed up in the question is this: how come so many kids are obese these days?

There isn't a simple answer, but successive governments have incrementally increased the presence and influence of the State in child-rearing, at the same time as some parents seem to have given up.

Everyone's applauding Mr Rashford, but this is all part of that same process.

For some reason you never see healthy food on offer in supermarkets, it’s always unhealthy food, it’s cheaper to live unhealthy than healthy.
Over the last 40 years governments have sold of playing fields to their friends in house building companies, so there is a lack of playing fields, children also spend less time out doors.