The Guardian is next

[King Nuts]

Seems the founder of that esteemed newspaper in Manchester made his money in the cotton trade, and thus off the backs of slavery. (I wonder if there's a statue of him somewhere? Anywhere near the Irwell?)

Further, the paper supported the Confederacy in the American Civil War. Made sense at the time, I suppose, given the owner's interests.

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He didn't think much of the Peterloo demonstrators either:

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Oh dear.

[David1970]

If you are looking to call them hypocrites, you forgot to mention the Guardian Media Group’s use of a tax-exempt shell company in the Cayman Islands to avoid paying corporation tax. They were one of the media organisations who published the Panama papers disclosing tax avoidance by the rich and powerful.

[Beamer]

You basically copied and pasted your reply from the now closed BLM thread, have you not get anything new to add?

Does anyone know why the BLM thread was partly closed?
Was it getting too focused on the issues clearly not allowed ?
Hence the copy and paste you allude to.

[Kev40ish]

Does anyone know why the BLM thread was partly closed?
Was it getting too focused on the issues clearly not allowed ?
Hence the copy and paste you allude to.

I am not sure why it was closed, but if I was a Mod or the owner the site, I would have got fed up constantly having to monitor it.
Religion and race being discussed, which can always become contentious. If I had to warn them or ban someone, it would be based on my views and would be hard to justify to others who don’t agree with me.

Like I say I don’t know for sure, but sometimes the easier option is just to close it and not have to make the choices

[NIK]

As they say.
How do you stop racism?
Stop talking about it.

[Doc Holliday]

Does anyone know why the BLM thread was partly closed?

I would imagine the final straw was because it inevitably strayed onto religion?

[King Nuts]

If you are looking to call them hypocrites, you forgot to mention the Guardian Media Group’s use of a tax-exempt shell company in the Cayman Islands to avoid paying corporation tax. They were one of the media organisations who published the Panama papers disclosing tax avoidance by the rich and powerful.

I think hypocrisy is taken as read in this case. I'm more interested to see whether a mob is going to march on their offices to do something about the heinous crimes of the paper's founder.

[Ali Katt]

I think hypocrisy is taken as read in this case. I'm more interested to see whether a mob is going to march on their offices to do something about the heinous crimes of the paper's founder.

Blm want to "smash capitalism", they see the guardian as on par with toilet paper like the socialist worker as being on their side. Let's be honest afua hirsch isn't going to tell them they are dividing people.

[mh]

As they say.
How do you stop racism?
Stop talking about it.

You gotta be shitting me?

[hermanmunster]

I think hypocrisy is taken as read in this case. I'm more interested to see whether a mob is going to march on their offices to do something about the heinous crimes of the paper's founder.

The way that reads you seem to be inciting some militant action against the newspaper.  The current employees of the newspaper don't deserve to have their jobs put at risk because one of the business interests of the founder was in the cotton trade 200 years ago!

Afua Hirsch may believe she is standing up against racism, but isn't she simply promoting a racial divide between whites and everybody else?

[jesse4585]

On the face of it,  it may seem logical to launch a little attack on the Guardian.  In addition to the points in the OP, some of the far left hate them due to the way they stabbed Corbyn in the back in the run up to the last election.  But it's very unlikely I think,  they've long been one of the most anti racist papers.

[hendrix]

As they say.
How do you stop racism?
Stop talking about it.

Direct action is best. As in most things.

[ManOFSteel]

Police officer assualted in Hackney today

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[David1970]

As they say.
How do you stop racism?
Stop talking about it.

Old Nik what colour is the sky in your small world?

[NIK]

Old Nik what colour is the sky in your small world?

How many more times do you need to be told, this endless cultural battering we wicked white people are getting is actually having the opposite effect on many of us. For example, what sympathy I initially had for Floyd has dissolved. And, as I say I am sure I am not the only one. One old feller on the local phone in has said virtually as much. An ex miner who voted Labour all his life, says he is made to feel guilty for voting Conservative and reading the Mail.

Now here's expecting you to reply with some pathetic, snide personal comment against me as that is your usual style.

[NIK]

Great article in yesterday's Mail by Sarah Vine, which perfectly analyses the current situation. Some people need to read it.

[David1970]

As they say.
How do you stop racism?
Stop talking about it.

I take it you believe the same will happen to crime, stop talking about crime and it will stop?

[winkywanky]

Seems the founder of that esteemed newspaper in Manchester made his money in the cotton trade, and thus off the backs of slavery. (I wonder if there's a statue of him somewhere? Anywhere near the Irwell?)

Further, the paper supported the Confederacy in the American Civil War. Made sense at the time, I suppose, given the owner's interests.

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He didn't think much of the Peterloo demonstrators either:

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Oh dear.

Ouch! I sense several self-immolations on the way. Or perhaps the Black Friday Jump if the building's tall enough?

[winkywanky]

Does anyone know why the BLM thread was partly closed?
Was it getting too focused on the issues clearly not allowed ?
Hence the copy and paste you allude to.

Wha? 

I thought it had remained very civilised, with some good points made? That's a shame. But ours is not to reason why, ours is just to post and die.

[winkywanky]

I would imagine the final straw was because it inevitably strayed onto religion?

It had. But then it kind of 'self-restrained' and everyone knew where the goalposts were.

Might have been an opportunity to get rid of a few bad eggs if it went too far, but of course I would never include myself in that 

[King Nuts]

The way that reads you seem to be inciting some militant action against the newspaper. 

Hardly. I don't think there's a lot of time-rich, militant, indignant Lefties amongst the brethren here.

[winkywanky]

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That's disgraceful  .

We can look forward to a lot more of this shit as well now. The big fat lump kicking the WPC while crying 'racism'. Fucking despicable.

Where is this all going to end? One of the kids foreground, dancing around selfying himself with a big grin on his face, the person that took this video just standing around while coppers get the shit kicked out of them. Truly appalling.

It won't be long before the extreme Right Wing cretins become involved now, they'll see themselves as vigilantes, as some sort of sick justification for their own violence.

This is gonna get very bad now  .

[winkywanky]

Great article in yesterday's Mail by Sarah Vine, which perfectly analyses the current situation. Some people need to read it.

Link?

[David1970]

Great article in yesterday's Mail by Sarah Vine, which perfectly analyses the current situation. Some people need to read it.

Is that not Goves wife?

[King Nuts]

How many more times do you need to be told, this endless cultural battering we wicked white people are getting is actually having the opposite effect on many of us.

NIK, someone has to carry the can, and it's our turn. White middle-aged men. It's all our fault. Us and our ancestors.

My own ancestors, from what I can make out, were mostly Londoners and were dockers, stonemasons, soldiers, bakers and so on. Today's equivalents would be C1s and C2s. I doubt they got much out of the Empire other than a bit of cheap tea and the occasional bout of syphilis, and when wars started, off they went to get themselves shot at. More oppressed against than oppressors. But there you are.

And I heard some daft bint on the radio today, saying that the reason women are crap with money is all men's fault. I'd laugh if it wasn't such lamentable nonsense.

So we're carrying the can for that too. Wonder what else is lined up for us? I'm fairly sure none of my ancestors oppressed any farm animals. At least, I'm not aware of any of them havng form for it.

[David1970]

NIK, someone has to carry the can, and it's our turn. White middle-aged men. It's all our fault. Us and our ancestors.

My own ancestors, from what I can make out, were mostly Londoners and were dockers, stonemasons, soldiers, bakers and so on. Today's equivalents would be C1s and C2s. I doubt they got much out of the Empire other than a bit of cheap tea and the occasional bout of syphilis, and when wars started, off they went to get themselves shot at. More oppressed against than oppressors. But there you are.

And I heard some daft bint on the radio today, saying that the reason women are crap with money is all men's fault. I'd laugh if it wasn't such lamentable nonsense.

So we're carrying the can for that too. Wonder what else is lined up for us? I'm fairly sure none of my ancestors oppressed any farm animals. At least, I'm not aware of any of them havng form for it.

I feel your pain, the oppressed white, middle aged, middle class, metropolitan Englishman. You have been an oppressed for to long.
You should get you a pressure group to represent you, wait a minute you have two already the Tory party and the Daily Mail.

[NIK]

NIK, someone has to carry the can, and it's our turn. White middle-aged men. It's all our fault. Us and our ancestors.

My own ancestors, from what I can make out, were mostly Londoners and were dockers, stonemasons, soldiers, bakers and so on. Today's equivalents would be C1s and C2s. I doubt they got much out of the Empire other than a bit of cheap tea and the occasional bout of syphilis, and when wars started, off they went to get themselves shot at. More oppressed against than oppressors. But there you are.

And I heard some daft bint on the radio today, saying that the reason women are crap with money is all men's fault. I'd laugh if it wasn't such lamentable nonsense.

So we're carrying the can for that too. Wonder what else is lined up for us? I'm fairly sure none of my ancestors oppressed any farm animals. At least, I'm not aware of any of them havng form for it.

Yes, I can't trace my family back very far. As my parents were in their late thirties when they had me and people died younger then, three of my natural grandparents were dead before I was born, and the others - grandma and her second husband, who I thought was grandad, but was actually his brother, therefore my great uncle, passed away when I was 6 and 4 respectively. However, from what I can tell they were thoroughly English (none of this 'we are all immigrants' crap) at least in living memory, and rooted mainly in the mining industry. In other words solid, indigenous working class stock!

[tom269u001]

Is that not Goves wife?

Yep.
Wouldn't go near the Daily Mail for their nasty biased opinion on anything. Horrid rag.

[Beamer]

Is that not Goves wife?

Yes   

[NIK]

Yep.
Wouldn't go near the Daily Mail for their nasty biased opinion on anything. Horrid rag.

So, no other newspapers and media outlets are biased?

[David1970]

Yes   

Enough said.

[NIK]

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Not a 'right wing rant', bur a very well balanced article.

Loved this bit.
'Celebrities indulge in empty virtue-signalling, deluding themselves they are using their influence to ‘make a difference’ when all they are doing is pandering to their own desires to be liked by a generation of overgrown toddlers who refuse to listen to reason.'


It's also telling that Khan, whilst rushing to appoint commissioners (commissars), hasn't uttered a dicky bird about the violence.

[NIK]

Enough said.

Well don't say anymore then. 

[King Nuts]

I feel your pain, the oppressed white, middle aged, middle class, metropolitan Englishman. You have been an oppressed for to long.
You should get you a pressure group to represent you, wait a minute you have two already the Tory party and the Daily Mail.

Does your tongue get stuck in your cheek sometimes, as mine does?

I do hope that's it.

[NIK]

Does your tongue get stuck in your cheek sometimes, as mine does?

I do hope that's it.

Which cheek though? The one he talks out of? 

[tom269u001]

So, no other newspapers and media outlets are biased?

Yes, they all have bias. But some, for example, aren't xenophobic. The Daily Express is another fine example of horrid.

[tom269u001]

Loved this bit.
'Celebrities indulge in empty virtue-signalling, deluding themselves they are using their influence to ‘make a difference’ when all they are doing is pandering to their own desires to be liked by a generation of overgrown toddlers who refuse to listen to reason.'

I think the writer is deluded, and using her influence as a journo. And the above quote certainly is not balanced! 

...IMHO

[NIK]

NIK, someone has to carry the can, and it's our turn. White middle-aged men. It's all our fault. Us and our ancestors.

My own ancestors, from what I can make out, were mostly Londoners and were dockers, stonemasons, soldiers, bakers and so on. Today's equivalents would be C1s and C2s. I doubt they got much out of the Empire other than a bit of cheap tea and the occasional bout of syphilis, and when wars started, off they went to get themselves shot at. More oppressed against than oppressors. But there you are.

And I heard some daft bint on the radio today, saying that the reason women are crap with money is all men's fault. I'd laugh if it wasn't such lamentable nonsense.

So we're carrying the can for that too. Wonder what else is lined up for us? I'm fairly sure none of my ancestors oppressed any farm animals. At least, I'm not aware of any of them havng form for it.

Apparently the League of Gentlemen has gone the way of Little Britain, seems they are no longer satisfied with It Aint Half hot Mum and Love Thy Neighbour (tho that was crap anyway). As I have said Eric Morecambe's statue will be next, after all he used sexual innuendo in his comedy.

Where do you draw the line and who decides?

[King Nuts]

I think the writer is deluded, and using her influence as a journo. And the above quote certainly is not balanced! 

...IMHO

She's a journo, and thus has influence. I'd genuinely like to hear why you think her claim is 'deluded'.

[David1970]

Which cheek though? The one he talks out of? 

I think you are mixing me up with someone who writes for the Daily Mail.

[David1970]

I think the writer is deluded, and using her influence as a journo. And the above quote certainly is not balanced! 

...IMHO

She is Goves wife and is paid to write by the Daily Mail, what do you expect, balanced and reasonable?

[winkywanky]

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Not a 'right wing rant', bur a very well balanced article.

It's also telling that Khan, whilst rushing to appoint commissioners (commissars), hasn't uttered a dicky bird about the violence.

Taken as a whole, I would very much agree with that article, it's well-written and balanced.

I frequently disagree with the Daily Mail's editorial stance and some of the inflammatory shit it sometimes spouts simply to be 'clickbait'. But that is a well-written piece.

Not being a Londoner (although my heritage is) I don't know enough about Khan to be able to comment too much on him, and the Rowling thing did seem ill-advised on her part, but it wasn't extreme so why should she be totally flamed by the self-proclaimed righteous?

And Radcliffe 'apologising for her', well he has no business doing that. We all say what we mean and we either stand by it or we qualify it or aologise if we really feel we're wrong. At least that's the way it should be, apologising purely because we feel we have to because our Twitter feed has gone insane with bile is not the way to go.

[NIK]

Taken as a whole, I would very much agree with that article, it's well-written and balanced.

I frequently disagree with the Daily Mail's editorial stance and some of the inflammatory shit it sometimes spouts simply to be 'clickbait'. But that is a well-written piece.

Not being a Londoner (although my heritage is) I don't know enough about Khan to be able to comment too much on him, and the Rowling thing did seem ill-advised on her part, but it wasn't extreme so why should she be totally flamed by the self-proclaimed righteous?

And Radcliffe 'apologising for her', well he has no business doing that. We all say what we mean and we either stand by it or we qualify it or aologise if we really feel we're wrong. At least that's the way it should be, apologising purely because we feel we have to because our Twitter feed has gone insane with bile is not the way to go.

Considered reasonable response from yourself. As so often.

[NIK]

She is Goves wife and is paid to write by the Daily Mail, what do you expect, balanced and reasonable?

Ill considered, dismissive, stubborn left wing response from you. As usual.

[tom269u001]

She's a journo, and thus has influence. I'd genuinely like to hear why you think her claim is 'deluded'.

All celebreties? Are they not allowed to have an opinion? Deluded.

[winkywanky]

Apparently the League of Gentlemen has gone the way of Little Britain...

Where do you draw the line and who decides?

The League of Gentlemen? That's bad. Incredibly funny, sharp, incisive, intelligent wit which actually hurts no-one. WTF? I guess that'll be because of the 'Blackface' which of course, was used ironically: Daaaaave!

I'll be very saddened if the writing team issue some kind of grovelling apology. If they say something simple like 'we made this a few years ago and now it doesn't seem appropriate or correct' that's one thing, but if they feel the need to go into some big spiel and wear a hairshirt I shall be appalled and saddened.

So much of the overreaction stuff that's happening now is damaging us...ALL.

[NIK]

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I would venture there are some on here who are happy to see this.

[tom269u001]

She is Goves wife and is paid to write by the Daily Mail, what do you expect, balanced and reasonable?

+1

[King Nuts]

All celebreties? Are they not allowed to have an opinion? Deluded.

You're not putting up much of a response as to why you think she's deluded.

It's a serious request. I'd like to know why you'd think she is.

[NIK]

The League of Gentlemen? That's bad. Incredibly funny, sharp, incisive, intelligent wit which actually hurts no-one. WTF? I guess that'll be because of the 'Blackface' which of course, was used ironically: Daaaaave!

I'll be very saddened if the writing team issue some kind of grovelling apology. If they say something simple like 'we made this a few years ago and now it doesn't seem appropriate or correct' that's one thing, but if they feel the need to go into some big spiel and wear a hairshirt I shall be appalled and saddened.

So much of the overreaction stuff that's happening now is damaging us...ALL.

Yes it was because of that. I believe Reece Shearsmith has 'apologised.'

If you didn't laugh you would despair.  Where will it end?  Most likely never.