Author Topic: Creating a wishlist (Read 2087 times)

Shutty238 · « **on:** June 03, 2020, 06:20:07 am »

So like many other sensible people at the moment, punting for me is nothing more than a pleasant memory, and a distant fantasy for when we've turned the corner on this thing.

I've taken to surveying AW though & the local agencies to build my wishlist for when it's over & I can blow the dust off my punting phone.

I've never used Durham Courtesans before & come across this cracker.

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Doesn't look like they're currently operating so thankfully haven't made the blacklist. Anyone know or seen her before?

We've done people's top 5, who is hitting people 'to do' list when safe to do so?

johnny34 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 03, 2020, 06:49:36 am »

Think this is her AW profile aswell....

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polkiuj · « **Reply #2 on:** June 03, 2020, 07:56:55 am »

I might be wrong but I think that looks like Kelani who used to work for Premium. Some of the pictures look familiar.

Lingus10 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 03, 2020, 08:27:51 am »

Quote from: polkiuj on June 03, 2020, 07:56:55 am

I might be wrong but I think that looks like Kelani who used to work for Premium. Some of the pictures look familiar.

I think your right, especially the no over 45

FLYING BLUE · « **Reply #4 on:** June 03, 2020, 10:19:50 am »

I can confirm it to be 'Kelani' who used to be at Premium.
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AnthG · « **Reply #5 on:** June 03, 2020, 10:46:57 am »

Quote from: Shutty238 on June 03, 2020, 06:20:07 am

Doesn't look like they're currently operating so thankfully haven't made the blacklist. Anyone know or seen her before?

Quote from: johnny34 on June 03, 2020, 06:49:36 am

Think this is her AW profile aswell....

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Her AW profile has the Green, Available today on there.

daviemac · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2020, 10:53:19 am »

Quote from: AnthG on June 03, 2020, 10:46:57 am

Her AW profile has the Green, Available today on there.

'Phone chat' is ticked as well.

The Outsider · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2020, 11:10:47 am »

Quote from: Shutty238 on June 03, 2020, 06:20:07 am

Doesn't look like they're currently operating so thankfully haven't made the blacklist. Anyone know or seen her before?

DC were open several weeks into lockdown because they were one of the sites to have Covid specific instructions. Haven't checked for ages because their website hurts my head.

AnthG · « **Reply #8 on:** June 03, 2020, 11:23:28 am »

Quote from: The Outsider on June 03, 2020, 11:10:47 am

DC were open several weeks into lockdown because they were one of the sites to have Covid specific instructions. Haven't checked for ages because their website hurts my head.

From looking at it now, I don't think it was just several weeks. It looks like they've worked throughout the lockdown (so one question, why was nobody kicking off about them). And also Kelani it looks like has been working for them throughout too.

If you look at the lockdown page, it simply says they are removing the availability on the calender, but to telephone to see who is working.

Also there have been regular photo/news updates on Kelani's profile making it very clear she is working in April and May off them.

And this Photo taken on the 17th May of her doing a duo with another girl, is not social distancing.

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datwabbit · « **Reply #9 on:** June 03, 2020, 11:27:40 am »

Quote from: AnthG on June 03, 2020, 11:23:28 am

From looking at it now, I don't think it was just several weeks. It looks like they've worked throughout the lockdown (so one question, why was nobody kicking off about them). And also Kelani it looks like has been working for them throughout too.

If you look at the lockdown page, it simply says they are removing the availability on the calender, but to telephone to see who is working.

Also there have been regular photo/news updates on Kelani's profile making it very clear she is working in April and May off them.

And this Photo taken on the 17th May of her doing a duo with another girl, is not social distancing.

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Nobody was kicking off because I assume they don't get a lot of interest.

waynekerr600 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 03, 2020, 11:28:47 am »

Quote from: datwabbit on June 03, 2020, 11:27:40 am

Nobody was kicking off because I assume they don't get a lot of interest.

I'm guessing if someone had posted a review there would be a similar discussion about the safety of working.

daviemac · « **Reply #11 on:** June 03, 2020, 11:36:28 am »

Quote from: AnthG on June 03, 2020, 11:23:28 am

From looking at it now, I don't think it was just several weeks. It looks like they've worked throughout the lockdown (so one question, why was nobody kicking off about them). And also Kelani it looks like has been working for them throughout too.

How can anybody be criticised for working during the lockdown when the can't be named.

The Outsider · « **Reply #12 on:** June 03, 2020, 11:43:08 am »

Quote from: AnthG on June 03, 2020, 11:23:28 am

From looking at it now, I don't think it was just several weeks. It looks like they've worked throughout the lockdown (so one question, why was nobody kicking off about them). And also Kelani it looks like has been working for them throughout too.

Because we are (bizarrely in my opinion) not allowed to list those service providers who are happy to potentially kill themselves and us punters.

I think we should be able to, but the argument is that it's "advertising" for them.

datwabbit · « **Reply #13 on:** June 03, 2020, 11:47:07 am »

Quote from: daviemac on June 03, 2020, 11:36:28 am

How can anybody be criticised for working during the lockdown when the can't be named.

A quick search shows another agency opening in 2 weeks and another on 4th July. That works out at 5 agencies by 4th July. Not talking about workers is going to get harder. Admittedly it's not helped by not knowing what lockdown actually means these days.

daviemac · « **Reply #14 on:** June 03, 2020, 12:00:31 pm »

Quote from: datwabbit on June 03, 2020, 11:47:07 am

A quick search shows another agency opening in 2 weeks and another on 4th July. That works out at 5 agencies by 4th July. Not talking about workers is going to get harder. Admittedly it's not helped by not knowing what lockdown actually means these days.

That's the whole point, a quick search will reveal who is or isn't working. I believe the opinion from higher up than me, and one I agree with BTW, is making a list of all those who are working puts the information in one easy to find place. Giving the UKP haters the opportunity to claim we are assisting punters and escorts to break the law, or at the very least condoning it.

Unless you knowingly have aids or the like, having bareback sex, whilst foolhardy, is not illegal, at the present time meeting another person indoors without reasonable excuse is illegal.

AnthG · « **Reply #15 on:** June 03, 2020, 12:10:14 pm »

Quote from: The Outsider on June 03, 2020, 11:43:08 am

Because we are (bizarrely in my opinion) not allowed to list those service providers who are happy to potentially kill themselves and us punters.

I think we should be able to, but the argument is that it's "advertising" for them.

But you were allowed, and actually it appears all were on another place that cannot be mentioned going into kill mode towards all those agencies working or even just thinking of working.

And yet not a single mention of these lot (which before you say, as nobody knew, but that is the very fact right there, nobody said nothing for anyone to actually know).

They have literally just worked brazenly throughout the entire pandemic, with photo updates of them out and about too, without even a whisper.

They cannot be that obscure an agency. I suspect they'd be quite big in Durham. As if not, why the hell would Kelani work for them if they are dead and get no bookings.

daviemac · « **Reply #16 on:** June 03, 2020, 12:17:40 pm »

Quote from: AnthG on June 03, 2020, 12:10:14 pm

But you were allowed, and actually it appears all were on another place that cannot be mentioned going into kill mode towards all those agencies working or even just thinking of working.

And yet not a single mention of these lot (which before you say, as nobody knew, but that is the very fact right there, nobody said nothing for anyone to actually know).

They have literally just worked brazenly throughout the entire pandemic, with photo updates of them out and about too, without even a whisper.

They cannot be that obscure an agency. I suspect they'd be quite big in Durham. As if not, why the hell would Kelani work for them if they are dead and get no bookings.

What goes on on other forums has nothing to do with here, if you have an issue with what is or isn't discussed elsewhere take it up on there.

The Outsider · « **Reply #17 on:** June 03, 2020, 12:28:18 pm »

Quote from: AnthG on June 03, 2020, 12:10:14 pm

But you were allowed, and actually it appears all were on another place that cannot be mentioned going into kill mode towards all those agencies working or even just thinking of working.

And yet not a single mention of these lot (which before you say, as nobody knew, but that is the very fact right there, nobody said nothing for anyone to actually know).

They have literally just worked brazenly throughout the entire pandemic, with photo updates of them out and about too, without even a whisper.

They cannot be that obscure an agency. I suspect they'd be quite big in Durham. As if not, why the hell would Kelani work for them if they are dead and get no bookings.

I mentioned them "elsewhere" on 19th May. I'm trying to follow the rules on here although I have a different opinion.

AnthG · « **Reply #18 on:** June 03, 2020, 12:30:25 pm »

Quote from: daviemac on June 03, 2020, 12:17:40 pm

What goes on on other forums has nothing to do with here, if you have an issue with what is or isn't discussed elsewhere take it up on there.

I am not discussing other forums. I am discussing people who now claim they had no avenue to complain/vent. But they clearly did have them but didn't take it up. That was my point. Nothing more.

The Outsider · « **Reply #19 on:** June 03, 2020, 12:37:07 pm »

Quote from: daviemac on June 03, 2020, 12:00:31 pm

That's the whole point, a quick search will reveal who is or isn't working. I believe the opinion from higher up than me, and one I agree with BTW, is making a list of all those who are working puts the information in one easy to find place. Giving the UKP haters the opportunity to claim we are assisting punters and escorts to break the law, or at the very least condoning it.

Unless you knowingly have aids or the like, having bareback sex, whilst foolhardy, is not illegal, at the present time meeting another person indoors without reasonable excuse is illegal.

I have taken some flak for my talk of blacklists - although most of it is from Waynekerr so easy to ignore.

The reason I'm doing it is because the evidence disappears. A green light and phone number displayed today shows a flagrant disregard for the lockdown rules and simply "doing the right thing". By tomorrow that evidence is gone, but my desire to avoid them in the future remains.

We've covered this before though, so I'll pipe down.

AnthG · « **Reply #20 on:** June 03, 2020, 12:39:46 pm »

To get the topic back on topic, have you seen the price of her private gallery

And I bet not a single one of them will be a face pic.

daviemac · « **Reply #21 on:** June 03, 2020, 01:06:08 pm »

Quote from: AnthG on June 03, 2020, 12:30:25 pm

I am not discussing other forums. I am discussing people who now claim they had no avenue to complain/vent. But they clearly did have them but didn't take it up. That was my point. Nothing more.

The avenue to complain is not open on this forum so it cannot be taken up on here. Every chance you get you have a dig at one other forum or the members of that forum.

Quote from: The Outsider on June 03, 2020, 12:37:07 pm

I have taken some flak for my talk of blacklists - although most of it is from Waynekerr so easy to ignore. The reason I'm doing it is because the evidence disappears. A green light and phone number displayed today shows a flagrant disregard for the lockdown rules and simply "doing the right thing". By tomorrow that evidence is gone, but my desire to avoid them in the future remains.

We've covered this before though, so I'll pipe down.

I agree with having your own blacklist of those who are working, I've got one as well.

datwabbit · « **Reply #22 on:** June 03, 2020, 02:10:14 pm »

My only issue with blacklists around lockdown breaking was that you'll never know the UTC. You reduce your risk of bareback consequences by assuming everyone does it so you take precautions. The only risk avoidance with this is never punting again. However, you could have a blacklist because they are putting everyone at risk, not just punters.

waynekerr600 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 03, 2020, 02:40:22 pm »

Quote from: The Outsider on June 03, 2020, 12:37:07 pm

I have taken some flak for my talk of blacklists - although most of it is from Waynekerr so easy to ignore.

Kant komprehend the komments.

It's all black and white with some

daviemac · « **Reply #24 on:** June 03, 2020, 02:42:10 pm »

Quote from: datwabbit on June 03, 2020, 02:10:14 pm

My only issue with blacklists around lockdown breaking was that you'll never know the UTC. You reduce your risk of bareback consequences by assuming everyone does it so you take precautions. The only risk avoidance with this is never punting again. However, you could have a blacklist because they are putting everyone at risk, not just punters.

The main thing for me, unlike barebacking where the risk is always there, the risk from CV will not be there forever. That only leaves how them working reflects their attitude to safety in general.

I have made a note of those who fit my criteria and are working but that does not necessarily mean I wouldn't see them in future. A lot depends on the individual, what I perceive there reasons for working would be and what their history is like.

Calling it a blacklist might be the wrong term but it's a recognised one for the reasons behind it. In actual fact my list on AW is a hot list so notes can be added.

datwabbit · « **Reply #25 on:** June 03, 2020, 02:45:22 pm »

Quote from: daviemac on June 03, 2020, 02:42:10 pm

The main thing for me, unlike barebacking where the risk is always there, the risk from CV will not be there forever. That only leaves how them working reflects their attitude to safety in general.

I have made a note of those who fit my criteria and are working but that does not necessarily mean I wouldn't see them in future. A lot depends on the individual, what I perceive there reasons for working would be and what their history is like.

Calling it a blacklist might be the wrong term but it's a recognised one for the reasons behind it. In actual fact my list on AW is a hot list so notes can be added.

Good idea - a wait and see list

The Outsider · « **Reply #26 on:** June 03, 2020, 02:54:49 pm »

Quote from: datwabbit on June 03, 2020, 02:10:14 pm

My only issue with blacklists around lockdown breaking was that you'll never know the UTC. You reduce your risk of bareback consequences by assuming everyone does it so you take precautions. The only risk avoidance with this is never punting again. However, you could have a blacklist because they are putting everyone at risk, not just punters.

I do wonder what risks they take with health and hygiene in normal times. During April and May there was a strong correlation between green lights and barebackers.

However, there are far more "normal" SPs working now, presumably because they are skint and have fallen through the cracks of the Government support for whatever reason.