NE Agencies Criticism over Reviews

[AnthG]

I am starting this topic to discuss the north east agencies. Specifically based on this.

And there appears to be a couple [of agencies] for whom no criticism is allowed.

Sorry Anth, I've made my point and I'm not going to say any more: I've no intention of giving DavieMac ammunition to ban me.
He's made it clear that criticism of the NE agencies isn't allowed

It won't be me who bans you, I tell you every time you derail a thread with your comments about agencies you know nothing about, START A THREAD ABOUT IT. Then you can criticise them to your hearts content.

I'm still confused.  Who is hiding their own fake reviews?

i do not want my other topic about Gushing reviews to be deleted. Like every other topic I have started has been. So can everyone do the agency talk in here please? Which NE agencies are you not allowed to criticise would be a good one to start with?

[tynetunnel]

Over to you then Mr Scutty Brown :- the floor as they say, is yours 

[Kev3773]

Over to you then Mr Scutty Brown :- the floor as they say, is yours 

The tumbleweed is rolling 

[AnthG]

I wonder if this topic gets James999 to log back in? 

[scutty brown]

I wonder if this topic gets James999 to log back in? 

There is no possibility of that, and I won't be posting for fear of being put in the same situation

[AnthG]

There is no possibility of that, and I won't be posting for fear of being put in the same situation

Have you spoken to him since he left?

James had the thickest skin imaginable. I remember we once had a poll to see if James999 should be banned or not from the forums - it was a major event, and the only time ever such a poll was devised for anyone, and he won the poll and just carried on like nothing happened afterwards.

He has been given something like 6 separate temp bans in his lifetime, the temp ban ends, he comes back and he is fine.

The reason why he is my favourite poster on every forum I have ever gone to, is that very fact he does not let anything get to him. The guy gets called all sorts, gets all sorts thrown at him, and gets put down, and then he still just keeps that joyous attitude of his. He literally just brushes it all off and forgets about it. He is literally like the Rocky Balboa of Internet Forums.

So if you do speak to him. Tell him I really miss him. 

[Kev3773]

The reason why he is my favourite poster on every forum I have ever gone to, is that very fact he does not let anything get to him. The guy gets called all sorts, gets all sorts thrown at him, and gets put down, and then he still just keeps that joyous attitude of his. He literally just brushes it all off and forgets about it. He is literally like the Rocky Balboa of Internet Forums.

So if you do speak to him. Tell him I really miss him. 

FFS Anth what are you on 

[tynetunnel]

Have you spoken to him since he left?

James had the thickest skin imaginable. I remember we once had a poll to see if James999 should be banned or not from the forums - it was a major event, and the only time ever such a poll was devised for anyone, and he won the poll and just carried on like nothing happened afterwards.

He has been given something like 6 separate temp bans in his lifetime, the temp ban ends, he comes back and he is fine.

The reason why he is my favourite poster on every forum I have ever gone to, is that very fact he does not let anything get to him. The guy gets called all sorts, gets all sorts thrown at him, and gets put down, and then he still just keeps that joyous attitude of his. He literally just brushes it all off and forgets about it. He is literally like the Rocky Balboa of Internet Forums.

So if you do speak to him. Tell him I really miss him. 

He’s an annoying twat and the forum is a better place without him 

[daviemac]

i do not want my other topic about Gushing reviews to be deleted. Like every other topic I have started has been. So can everyone do the agency talk in here please? Which NE agencies are you not allowed to criticise would be a good one to start with?

Stay off the subject of Donald Trump or politics in general and there is no chance of threads being deleted. Discussions on Politics, Trump and CV-19 are only allowed in off topic.

* Beats me, I would like to know as well.  I would also like to know what reviews are fake and which agencies pay for them.

Apart from that anybody is welcome to post whatever they like about what they think of agencies.

[tynetunnel]

There is no possibility of that, and I won't be posting for fear of being put in the same situation

Come on Scutty, this is not the time to start feeling shy! This is for you, to tell us your thoughts about NE agencies.  Your very own thread, no need to hijack anyone else’s thread or review. AnthG has created this specially. This is your time, your moment, so please... let’s hear it 

[AnthG]

He’s an annoying twat and the forum is a better place without him 

No its not, and the forum is like it is largely because of him. He was one of the founding members, and back when there was only 20 of us posting on here. For the whole entire forum, he was very good at attracting people to join and post and getting rid of the trolls (and there were a load of trolls, as we were hated on this forum by the people on a different forum).

And speaking of different forums. If he had of went onto another popular forum. It would probably be the funnest place to be on right now, and all the trolls currently calling the shots on there, would be well outta there. He would have kicked them right into check.

I am not exaggerating when I say he is my favourite poster.

[AnthG]

Anyway, the protected Agencys. Thats the purpose of this topic. This is not the James appreciation thread.

[The Outsider]

He’s an annoying twat and the forum is a better place without him 

I miss his reviews, but other than that, I'm coping.   

[tynetunnel]

Anyway, the protected Agencys. Thats the purpose of this topic. This is not the James appreciation thread.

You started it. Both the thread and the James999 comment. And he is an annoying arse and you’re one of the few that stands up for him repeatedly, like a delusional fan. This place is significantly improved without him 

[daviemac]

No its not, and the forum is like it is largely because of him. He was one of the founding members, and back when there was only 20 of us posting on here. For the whole entire forum, he was very good at attracting people to join and post and getting rid of the trolls (and there were a load of trolls, as we were hated on this forum by the people on a different forum).

And speaking of different forums. If he had of went onto another popular forum. It would probably be the funnest place to be on right now, and all the trolls currently calling the shots on there, would be well outta there. He would have kicked them right into check.

I am not exaggerating when I say he is my favourite poster.

FFS Anth you wonder why threads get deleted, what has James or other forums got to do with this thread, You moan on about 'your' threads getting derailed but you are the biggest offender.   

[RogerBoner]

This is not the James appreciation thread.

Talking to yourself during lockdown 

[AnthG]

I know I have a tendency to ramble about anything and everything. And turning topics onto a pinhead tangent as a result.

Anyway, let's do this. Agency Reviews. You have got free reign to trash them or anything about them anyone who wants to. This is your chance.

For so many topics, the northeast agencies get mentioned and them supposedly calling the shots here and running this place. So come non-northeasters, do your worst. What's wrong with them? This is the topic to do it in.

No more mention of James. Please, anyone.

[tynetunnel]

It seems I am actually the last punter in the whole NE to find out that Premium Escorts lifted the shutters over a week ago, after trolling a review with sarcastic comments, because obviously they’re closed. But they’re not! 

[daviemac]

It seems I am actually the last punter in the whole NE to find out that Premium Escorts lifted the shutters over a week ago, after trolling a review with sarcastic comments, because obviously they’re closed. But they’re not! 

They aren't the only ones open, we just aren't giving the free publicity. Any punter stupid enough to punt during the lockdown (or for Anth, the stay at home and not mingle with people) will have to do their own research.

I personally do not see this the same as the bareback listings. Listing SP’s that are working during the lock down isn’t responsible in the current in our view so threads will be deleted. Providing an advertising platform isn’t appropriate. Members may not agree but it’s our decision.

[The Outsider]

There is no possibility of that, and I won't be posting for fear of being put in the same situation

What situation?

[tynetunnel]

They aren't the only ones open, we just aren't giving the free publicity. Any punter stupid enough to punt during the lockdown (or for Anth, the stay at home and not mingle with people) will have to do their own research.

That’s fair enough DM but it seems it’s widely known, but I really do seem to have let this fact fly over my head, hence my dripping with sarcasm post on the review for Sophie! After which I thought “I wonder  ” and stopped by the Premium website, at which point I realised exactly how much egg was on my face!

[daviemac]

That’s fair enough DM but it seems it’s widely known, but I really do seem to have let this fact fly over my head, hence my dripping with sarcasm post on the review for Sophie! After which I thought “I wonder  ” and stopped by the Premium website, at which point I realised exactly how much egg was on my face!

No egg on your face mate, sarcastic or not asking how they managed social distancing whilst having sex is a legitimate question. 

[The Outsider]

That’s fair enough DM but it seems it’s widely known, but I really do seem to have let this fact fly over my head, hence my dripping with sarcasm post on the review for Sophie! After which I thought “I wonder  ” and stopped by the Premium website, at which point I realised exactly how much egg was on my face!

Looking on the bright side, egg probably won't kill you and certainly can't harm your nearest and dearest.     

[FLYING BLUE]

You started it. Both the thread and the James999 comment. And he is an annoying arse and you’re one of the few that stands up for him repeatedly, like a delusional fan. This place is significantly improved without him 

Yep

[AnthG]

To get the topic back on track. It is a bit depressing seeing the sheer number of girls who are working this week.

[FLYING BLUE]

In my time on here, I have seen 'MadeMan2" and Blackhawk demand freebies for good reviews or worse, demanding freebies OR they will write a negative review.
It was me who originally brought attention to MadeMan's 'antics' by talking with the old Admin (although I got somewhat slated at the time for daring to suggest that the word of several WG's was more credible than those of MM2)

We have always been very able to spot bullshite & bullshitters, on the NE forum

[Sar-Major]

FFS Anth what are you on 

I don't know, but I wouldn't like a pint of it.................... 

 

[scutty brown]

To get the topic back on track. It is a bit depressing seeing the sheer number of girls who are working this week.

Wanting to work or forced to work by pimps and boyfriends?
How many of those working would you regard as forced, or at risk?

[Sar-Major]

He’s an annoying twat and the forum is a better place without him 

Without a doubt TT................... Seconded. 

 

[AnthG]

Without a doubt TT................... Seconded. 

 

I was literally about to say, maybe people should read outside the northeast section sometime to see his posts in better context.

And then I was like, frikkin hell, I'd be killed if I said that 

[AnthG]

How many of those working would you regard as forced?

None.

I think it's the WGs themselves who are being silly. Likely thinking I am young, therefore invincible. You can argue the agencies are enabling them. But I think that is the extent of their misdeeds.

If I am wrong though. You could post why you think that way. It is a discussion after all.

[Sar-Major]

It seems I am actually the last punter in the whole NE to find out that Premium Escorts lifted the shutters over a week ago, after trolling a review with sarcastic comments, because obviously they’re closed. But they’re not! 

Well I've just had a swift trawl through the agency websites and I see that some are open some are still closed and "Valentines Girls" has ceased trading as of February gone. 

 

[Sar-Major]

I was literally about to say, maybe people should read outside the northeast section sometime to see his posts in better context.

And then I was like, frikkin hell, I'd be killed if I said that 

I'm away to the armory for me "Blunderbuss"................... 

 

[waynekerr600]

I don't know, but I wouldn't like a pint of it.................... 

 

 

[scutty brown]

None.

I think it's the WGs themselves who are being silly. Likely thinking I am young, therefore invincible. You can argue the agencies are enabling them. But I think that is the extent of their misdeeds.

If I am wrong though. You could post why you think that way. It is a discussion after all.

I don't know Anth, that's why I asked. But I am suspicious

[AnthG]

I don't know Anth, that's why I asked. But I am suspicious

What I will say just to further the discussion, and kind of support your side.

I remember chatting to one agency WG who said, the agencies didn't directly put any pressure or overt demands to work. But there was an unseen, underlying undercurrent of pressure to work.

As in, if you don't work, you won't get the good flats to work from when you do finally want to work, you won't get recommended by the agency to punters who phone up and ask "who do you recommend I should see" and things like that.

It might just be the girl was being paranoid. But agency work does seem a little dog eat dog. And when an agency has 20-30 people on its books and often about 10 people all wanting to be working on a given day. You don't want to be seen as the awkward one by saying no.

[johnny34]

None.

I think it's the WGs themselves who are being silly. Likely thinking I am young, therefore invincible. You can argue the agencies are enabling them. But I think that is the extent of their misdeeds.

If I am wrong though. You could post why you think that way. It is a discussion after all.

No way of knowing for sure how many but there are bound to be some just like there always is unfortunately.

[datwabbit]

Wanting to work or forced to work by pimps and boyfriends?
How many of those working would you regard as forced, or at risk?

The govt has some schemes to help people but it's becoming clear that a lot of people don't qualify. Either because of poor records or poor timing or simply being in a difficult financial position beforehand.

But you cannot tut tut sp's are working without pointing at punters.

It's a hobby and we don't have to do it.

[waynekerr600]

The govt has some schemes to help people but it's becoming clear that a lot of people don't qualify. Either because of poor records or poor timing or simply being in a difficult financial position beforehand.

But you cannot tut tut sp's are working without pointing at punters.

It's a hobby and we don't have to do it.

I wonder if a few tax Dodgers are now getting bitten on the arse.

Agree all sides are irresponsible and at fault.

[cotton]

In my time on here, I have seen 'MadeMan2" and Blackhawk demand freebies for good reviews or worse, demanding freebies OR they will write a negative review.
It was me who originally brought attention to MadeMan's 'antics' by talking with the old Admin (although I got somewhat slated at the time for daring to suggest that the word of several WG's was more credible than those of MM2)

We have always been very able to spot bullshite & bullshitters, on the NE forum

With that in mind its good that where people do think "this review is BS" that they feel free to speak out and call BS without the fear that they will simply get savaged by the regions other members. Having a too rosy tinted and protective attitude towards agencies just because you use them and they are in your region isnt necessarily a good thing.
The reality is that it is in Agencies best interest to sponsor favourable reviews and till its exposed nobody knows , and not all bogus reviewers are going to be easy to spot , zero feedback fluffy bollox , there will be the smart ones who curry favour with the forum big wigs and do their work in the safety of forum approval and be undetected, at least undetected till someone has the minerals to call bollox as you did..
Im not familiar with the issue in the N.East is but it may be similar to London where some members wont hear a bad word said about their chosen agency (DIVA). I mean is it reasonable that members who legitimately use an agency and get good service would then argue the cause of that agency , possibly it is , but when you get members standing up for agencies, trying to shut down any critiscism by fair means or foul like its a personal issue with them i think wtf , why do you care so much, other people should be allowed to express misgivings without the agency cheerleaders going to war.  Especially where theres a history of the agency planting infiltrators to promote their business as is the case with Diva.

[datwabbit]

In terms of criticism of agencies, generally reviews refer to the girl and the agency is mentioned if they messed up the arrangements or didn't respond to criticism.

I think we'll see a lot more crisism  for agencies who opened early even if those girls didn't work.

[The Outsider]

With that in mind its good that where people do think "this review is BS" that they feel free to speak out and call BS without the fear that they will simply get savaged by the regions other members. Having a too rosy tinted and protective attitude towards agencies just because you use them and they are in your region isnt necessarily a good thing.
The reality is that it is in Agencies best interest to sponsor favourable reviews and till its exposed nobody knows , and not all bogus reviewers are going to be easy to spot , zero feedback fluffy bollox , there will be the smart ones who curry favour with the forum big wigs and do their work in the safety of forum approval and be undetected, at least undetected till someone has the minerals to call bollox as you did..
Im not familiar with the issue in the N.East is but it may be similar to London where some members wont hear a bad word said about their chosen agency (DIVA). I mean is it reasonable that members who legitimately use an agency and get good service would then argue the cause of that agency , possibly it is , but when you get members standing up for agencies, trying to shut down any critiscism by fair means or foul like its a personal issue with them i think wtf , why do you care so much, other people should be allowed to express misgivings without the agency cheerleaders going to war.  Especially where theres a history of the agency planting infiltrators to promote their business as is the case with Diva.

How is this different to support for indies who are "forum darlings" or otherwise well regarded? I think any lack of objectivity should be questioned.  What annoys me are those are those punters who think we should all punt in the same way as they do. 

[The Outsider]

In terms of criticism of agencies, generally reviews refer to the girl and the agency is mentioned if they messed up the arrangements or didn't respond to criticism.

I think we'll see a lot more crisism  for agencies who opened early even if those girls didn't work.

We'll certainly see fewer people defending them. 

[AnthG]

What annoys me are those are those punters who think we should all punt in the same way as they do.

Exactly, the amount of flak I have received over the years all because every now and again I like doing a social booking where I chat and have a laugh with them. Some of the girls who do this job can be quite fun.

[RogerBoner]

Exactly, the amount of flak I have received over the years all because every now and again I like doing a social booking where I chat and have a laugh with them. Some of the girls who do this job can be quite fun.

I wouldn't pay to take a WG out for a meal or drink. Some I know get paid £200 for a 2 hour dinner date followed by a kiss on the lips. But it's truly being an "escort". Yes they can be great company on a wild night out. But I wouldn't pay as it would be fake.

[cotton]

How is this different to support for indies who are "forum darlings" or otherwise well regarded? I think any lack of objectivity should be questioned.  What annoys me are those are those punters who think we should all punt in the same way as they do.

Yeh i agree theres some similarity , the difference is that defending a SP is white knighting and as such anyone doing it has to be careful and cautious , whereas there seems to be no limits to defending agencies.
I agree any lack of objectivity should be questioned , wether it is defending an SP or an agency like your life depends on it. Nothing wrong in members discussing and defending something they believe in but they shoudnt be trying to shut down critiscism in the first place as some of the Diva members do , that just makes me think theres something dodgy going on even if i didnt before.

[tynetunnel]

Wanting to work or forced to work by pimps and boyfriends?
How many of those working would you regard as forced, or at risk?

I would take Premium at face value, that the girls requested opening back up for business, so they have. IMHO a bad move, and going forward this will be considered when I resume punting. People and business owners have made decisions, and we may agree or disagree. Ultimately we punters here will vote with our wallets.

I don’t however believe that any of the girls showing as available on Premium’s website are being “forced, or at risk” and that once again you are just perpetuating your weird conspiracy theories. Forced perhaps due to poor financial planning and this or starving to death maybe, but Junie is not insisting they get back to work, I’m certain of that 

[scutty brown]

I would take Premium at face value, that the girls requested opening back up for business, so they have. IMHO a bad move, and going forward this will be considered when I resume punting. People and business owners have made decisions, and we may agree or disagree. Ultimately we punters here will vote with our wallets.

I don’t however believe that any of the girls showing as available on Premium’s website are being “forced, or at risk” and that once again you are just perpetuating your weird conspiracy theories. Forced perhaps due to poor financial planning and this or starving to death maybe, but Junie is not insisting they get back to work, I’m certain of that 

It was intended as a more general comment, not just aimed at Premium. However having said that we've caught her out in enough lies in the past to make me wonder if this is another. But the underlying issue is that whatever has been said previously about them being a caring agency, they are perfectly prepared to put at risk the lives of the punters and girls.

[datwabbit]

Exactly, the amount of flak I have received over the years all because every now and again I like doing a social booking where I chat and have a laugh with them. Some of the girls who do this job can be quite fun.

I'm not convinced bookings on UKE work and every punter gets the opportunity to comment.

If a RB on aw doesn't yield results and you have a set of sp's in mind then pm them on UKE.

No drama required.

This has nothing to do with agencies but as you brought it up...

[datwabbit]

We'll certainly see fewer people defending them.

I think it'll be interesting how many new sp's on their books are blacklisted due to the agency.

It's a big man who knows when to forgive - roughly about the same time as a new to the industry slender buxom teen arrives on their books.