Author Topic: Potentially 2.9 million Hong Kong Chinese heading for the UK  (Read 10019 times)

Offline Chorley

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Ban immigration from the middle east, indian subcontinent & africa
With the exception of those working in the medical & care sectors
The rest add fuck all value & are a drain on resources
Add PRC to this list

All brexit seems to have achieved is reducing people from the EU looking for work here
& replacing them with those from the above mentioned
A disaster area

People from HK will deffo add value

Trumpy has hit the nail on the head bout the PRC
His advisors have tactically advised him to refer to it as the 'Wuhan' Virus, not 'China' thus eliminating any potential to undermine this on racial grounds
Now that the PRC's economy is gaining ground over the rest of the world they are clearly looking to expand, focusing on HK
They've also added aviation to their target list, well 9 million easyjet customer details hacked
Just to clarify to everyone, those persons I referred to also include people born here of all races, colours and creeds who expect to have their arsed wiped by the state, which I fund by my hard earned  and heavily taxed income.

I really am getting sick to the back teeth of so many people--often white British - who seem to think they can get away with contributing fuck all to society while taking whatever they like.   :dash: :dash:  :dash:

Offline cotton

I'm all for immigration as long as its sustainable and those coming can contribute to the economy and wider society and integrate in that society.   :drinks:
I think its acceptable to like foreigners and people of different races and religions but also to be concerned about mass immigration and the impact on your own country.  I mean i like Indians and i like India but im not sure how i would feel about the whole of London becoming like Southall. Im not sure how i feel about london and its multi culturalism , part of me likes it but also part of me ponders over the loss of homogenity and social cohesion.
Personally i think we are in the process of an ongoing cultural revolution , society has changed so much in the space of 40 years , i think its ok to question whats happening. I have no idea why our political leaders seem intent on cramming as many disparate people in as they can , like rats in a barrel and kicking our countries social problems down the road for the next generation to deal with and when the whole thing does come crashing down they will be safe in their bunkers watching babestation , all it needs is some event like if covid was a bit worse = disruption of the food supply and there will be anarchy and chaos , but hey ho lets invite another 2.9 million in to enjoy the party while it lasts.

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Those born here think they are entitled, which makes things worse
If you look at labour controlled constituencies / councils these will tend to be focused in places which contribute FA 

Just to clarify to everyone, those persons I referred to also include people born here of all races, colours and creeds who expect to have their arsed wiped by the state, which I fund by my hard earned  and heavily taxed income.

I really am getting sick to the back teeth of so many people--often white British - who seem to think they can get away with contributing fuck all to society while taking whatever they like.   :dash: :dash:  :dash:



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Offline Chorley

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Those born here think they are entitled, which makes things worse
If you look at labour controlled constituencies / councils these will tend to be focused in places which contribute FA 



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Those born here think they are entitled, which makes things worse
If you look at labour controlled constituencies / councils these will tend to be focused in places which contribute FA 



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Liverpool ... 17 ... is that right?!

Bristol - 90K - I believe Bristol is per capita the most economically active city in the UK.


Offline David1970

Really a million ? Or is that western media at work. Hong Kong people have accepted that they are part of China now. As I said why didn't the UK government offered the same protection the Portugese did to Macua ? The horse has bolted now. A bit too late for window dressing.

You think it’s a conspiracy by the western media?
I suggested you read the SCMP like I do Every day in life or even live in HK like did before spouting conspiracy theory’s

Offline willie loman

But why are we unhappy about Immigration?

For decades we had large numbers of Caribbean, Sikh and Jewish people all immigrate to here and nobody cared less. Everyone was happy and if you asked anyone they were fine with it.

It's only been since large numbers of Islamic immigration has been occurring since the 2000s and all the problems that has caused have people been saying, hang on one second, we need to stop this.

Are you sure that sikh, and afrocarribean immigration has been that positive? The problem with immigration in England is that few of the immigrants have really assimilitated, with the exception of European immigrants. I am happy to be corrected on this, I don't see the Chinese assimilating wherever they go, but its your country, get on with it.

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Are you sure that sikh, and afrocarribean immigration has been that positive?
I don't think it has been that negative.

Most people don't really think about it. It's only now are a lot of people commenting on immigration and it forming reasons why they vote for certain MPs.
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Offline willie loman

I don't think it has been that negative.

Most people don't really think about it. It's only now are a lot of people commenting on immigration and it forming reasons why they vote for certain MPs.

Fair enough.

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I don't see the Chinese assimilating wherever they go, but its your country, get on with it.
Just like the British expats... congregate in small enclaves, refuse to learn the local language and give their country of birth a terrible reputation - cost del sol, anyone?
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Offline David1970

Just like the British expats... congregate in small enclaves, refuse to learn the local language and give their country of birth a terrible reputation - cost del sol, anyone?

I got told by my boss in HK when I arrived, avoid anywhere that is considered an expat haven, full of little Englanders looking for a fried all day breakfast and Carling lager, not interested in local culture or locals. A sound piece of advice.

Offline willie loman

Just like the British expats... congregate in small enclaves, refuse to learn the local language and give their country of birth a terrible reputation - cost del sol, anyone?

Not at all, expats and immigrants are separate categories, the English who move to Australia, or Canada etc quickly intermarry and merge with the locals, the Chinese move , and remain in their own bubble. If you want 3 million of them, go for it, the joke will be on you.

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Not at all, expats and immigrants are separate categories, the English who move to Australia, or Canada etc quickly intermarry and merge with the locals, the Chinese move , and remain in their own bubble. If you want 3 million of them, go for it, the joke will be on you.
I know plenty of Chinese who assimilate.  I know plenty of Brits who don't.  Guess what, there is good and bad in all races.  Generalising about 'the other' just makes you look like a bit of a prick.
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Offline willie loman

I know plenty of Chinese who assimilate.  I know plenty of Brits who don't.  Guess what, there is good and bad in all races.  Generalising about 'the other' just makes you look like a bit of a prick.

China town , the clue is in the name. I am not stating the Chinese are bad, just stating the bleeding obvious that they by and large do not integrate or intermarry, if you want yet another community living in a ghetto go for it, its your country.

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Not at all, expats and immigrants are separate categories, the English who move to Australia, or Canada etc quickly intermarry and merge with the locals, the Chinese move , and remain in their own bubble. If you want 3 million of them, go for it, the joke will be on you.

I suspect a fair number would get routed to Scotland, more spare land and it needs a financial boost
Scotland never rebuilt its population after the clearances, so plenty of room

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I got told by my boss in HK when I arrived, avoid anywhere that is considered an expat haven, full of little Englanders looking for a fried all day breakfast and Carling lager, not interested in local culture or locals. A sound piece of advice.

Clearly not a Brit with comments like that.

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I got told by my boss in HK when I arrived, avoid anywhere that is considered an expat haven, full of little Englanders looking for a fried all day breakfast and Carling lager, not interested in local culture or locals. A sound piece of advice.

Carling is Canadian

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A couple of hundred yards away, soho was once known as little Italy.
Over time, generations assimilate. Some cultures more quickly than others. But generally immigrants work harder, pay taxes and contribute more to society than the xenophobes who want to keep their country for themselves.
I would welcome them. It’s not ‘my country’. I was born here, I work and pay tax here, but it’s just an arbitrary land mass with borders defined by wars and geography. If you’re rich, the world has no borders - as it should be for all.
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Offline willie loman

I suspect a fair number would get routed to Scotland, more spare land and it needs a financial boost
Scotland never rebuilt its population after the clearances, so plenty of room

As a general rule, immigrants go to rich countries or areas, hence there is comparatively little migration up here, Canada I believe is the country of choice for the Chinese.

Offline willie loman

A couple of hundred yards away, soho was once known as little Italy.
Over time, generations assimilate. Some cultures more quickly than others. But generally immigrants work harder, pay taxes and contribute more to society than the xenophobes who want to keep their country for themselves.
I would welcome them. It’s not ‘my country’. I was born here, I work and pay tax here, but it’s just an arbitrary land mass with borders defined by wars and geography. If you’re rich, the world has no borders - as it should be for all.
Every where you go , you will find a china town, why they don't integrate doesn't concern me, its just an easily observable fact, I am not aware ive made any xenophobic observations

Offline willie loman

Like many who live in Scotland my great grandparents were from elsewhere, just check an Edinburgh phone book and you will see plenty of foreign names, but most immigrants integrate, not the Chinese.
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Offline cunningman

I suspect a fair number would get routed to Scotland, more spare land and it needs a financial boost
Scotland never rebuilt its population after the clearances, so plenty of room

I suspect many will choose it, simply because of the education system and costs of university study.

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Every where you go , you will find a china town, why they don't integrate doesn't concern me, its just an easily observable fact, I am not aware ive made any xenophobic observations
No, you haven’t been explicitly Xenophobic, but generalising about an entire race is dodgy territory in my book. Yes, there are chinatowns everywhere in the world - and based around the cuisine. You’ll find similar things with the Indian communities. And others. Although the optics are more obvious with the Chinese, I grant you.
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Offline willie loman

I suspect many will choose it, simply because of the education system and costs of university study.

Many Chinese already study here, both at private schools, and at university level, but comparatively few foreigners will remain here, that goes for indigenous graduates as well. This is still a country you leave.

Offline David1970

Like many who live in Scotland my great grandparents were from elsewhere, just check an Edinburgh phone book and you will see plenty of foreign names, but most immigrants integrate, not the Chinese.

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According to the BBC more people immigrate to Scotland than leave.

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Very good idea. They're halfway to being British anyway.

They're a bunch of enterprising people. Grafters. Strong on family values. Law abiding. Kids do well at school. They mind their own business. Great cuisine.

I suspect the drain on the state would be comparatively small too. They're not mad keen on religion, so we wouldn't be seeing the equivalent of mosques springing up everywhere.

What's not to like?

+1 and big earning - >big spending. Added tremendous value to US economies, especially eastcoast Westcoast states.
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According to the BBC more people immigrate to Scotland than leave.

Why is English your second language?

Offline sub_marine

As a general rule, immigrants go to rich countries or areas, hence there is comparatively little migration up here, Canada I believe is the country of choice for the Chinese.

Yes, and the pupils do brilliant in the school system, so much so that its credited as being the reason the BC average education level stays so high.  Canada is one of the few countries where the immigrants do better at school that the locals.  Also the reason Canadians nick name Vancouver as Hong Kouver

Offline willie loman

Yes, and the pupils do brilliant in the school system, so much so that its credited as being the reason the BC average education level stays so high.  Canada is one of the few countries where the immigrants do better at school that the locals.  Also the reason Canadians nick name Vancouver as Hong Kouver

I believe for a time, entry to Canada was facilitated if you paid a large tariff, an opportunity the Chinese took with both hands. No doubt wherever they go, exam pass rates improve , academic standards improve, in subjects viewed difficult,like maths.

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According to the BBC more people immigrate to Scotland than leave.
That's a recent trend. 80% of Scottish graduates , found their first job outside of Scotland.

Offline cotton

Are you sure that sikh, and afrocarribean immigration has been that positive? The problem with immigration in England is that few of the immigrants have really assimilitated, with the exception of European immigrants. I am happy to be corrected on this, I don't see the Chinese assimilating wherever they go, but its your country, get on with it.
Personally i like it that immigrants dont assimilate, but maintain their own distinctive appearance and culture and communities, surely that is the benefit of multiculturism, i like black people who look like black people and chinese who look chinese and have there own flavoured communities. Otherwise if you just mix everyone up we just become an amorphous brown blob of sameness which defeats the benefit of multiculturism. JMHO  :thumbsup:
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Offline petermisc

The UK has received and benefitted from waves of immigrants ever since the middle ages.  In almost every case, they initially settled in the major cities, where the work was, in particular the East End of London.  They naturally tend to congregate, as they can support each other.  As time goes on, and they are better able to support themselves, they have spread out throughout the country.

A major exception to this was the wave of immigration from Eastern Europe after they joined the EU.  Large numbers of them settled directly in depressed small towns, particularly in the east of England, taking work that workshy English weren't prepared to do (fruit picking, care workers, etc).  These places saw immigration on a scale they had never seen before, and this was one of the drivers behind Brexit. 

Immigrants benefit the economy, usually being hard-working and prepared to accept poor wages and living conditions that the indigenous population won't.  However, the problems tend to come with the second generation, who naturally expect better.

In the case of the Hong Kongers, I doubt that many would come here.  Unlike some previous immigrants, they are not being actively persecuted, they are not in fear of their lives.  Hong Kong is prosperous, why move to a depressed part of the UK?  You are unlikely to improve your standard of living.  There may be a few idealists who would move, but the majority would see little practical incentive.  And for those staying put, having a UK passport would be of little benefit, as I understand China refuses to recognise dual nationality.

Offline David1970

The UK has received and benefitted from waves of immigrants ever since the middle ages. 

Longer than that it goes back to the Angles and Saxons in 410, when they stated immigrating to Britain.
I wonder if the anti immigration brigade want their offspring deported?

Offline NIK

Longer than that it goes back to the Angles and Saxons in 410, when they stated immigrating to Britain.
I wonder if the anti immigration brigade want their offspring deported?

More lefty clap trap.
What has immigration hundreds of years ago got to do with the present day? There was a damn sight more room for a start.
Also how come the pro immigration brigade can never put a figure on the numbers. Or do you truly think it should be unlimited?  :scare:

Offline NIK

As a general rule, immigrants go to rich countries or areas, hence there is comparatively little migration up here, Canada I believe is the country of choice for the Chinese.

And of course many Scots emigrate to England.
Will they still vote for independence?  :rolleyes:

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In the case of the Hong Kongers, I doubt that many would come here.  Unlike some previous immigrants, they are not being actively persecuted, they are not in fear of their lives.  Hong Kong is prosperous, why move to a depressed part of the UK?  You are unlikely to improve your standard of living.  There may be a few idealists who would move, but the majority would see little practical incentive.  And for those staying put, having a UK passport would be of little benefit, as I understand China refuses to recognise dual nationality.

Having listened to many news reports out of Hong Kong during the civil protests and attempted suppression by the Chinese authorities, I disagree.

Offline cunningman

And of course many Scots emigrate to England.
Will they still vote for independence?  :rolleyes:

They were explicitly excluded from having any say in the last referendum.  Some of them are, to put it mildly, furious.

Offline David1970

More lefty clap trap.
What has immigration hundreds of years ago got to do with the present day? There was a damn sight more room for a start.
Also how come the pro immigration brigade can never put a figure on the numbers. Or do you truly think it should be unlimited?  :scare:

So Mr Angry some immigrants are ok if the are white, but others are not welcome?

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More lefty clap trap.
What has immigration hundreds of years ago got to do with the present day? There was a damn sight more room for a start.
Also how come the pro immigration brigade can never put a figure on the numbers. Or do you truly think it should be unlimited?  :scare:

Nik you reminded me of Lee J Cobbs character in 12 Angry Men, the truth comes out and people change their attitude but him, a twisted old bigot. 

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Nik you reminded me of Lee J Cobbs character in 12 Angry Men, the truth comes out and people change their attitude but him, a twisted old bigot. 

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'Bigot'. Love it! Now that 'fascist' and 'racist' have been over-used to the point of meaninglessness, 'bigot' is next. It's only ever used against anyone who's got a different opinion from the herd.



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'Bigot'. Love it! Now that 'fascist' and 'racist' have been over-used to the point of meaninglessness, 'bigot' is next. It's only ever used against anyone who's got a different opinion from the herd.

The example I gave was 12 Angry Men
Like a said when the truth is one thing and the vast majority( or herd as you like to call them) understand it, but a few bigots refuse to believe the truth because of their so bigoted.

Offline cotton

So Mr Angry some immigrants are ok if the are white, but others are not welcome?
He said nothing about color , he said there was more space back then  , which when were having to build on green belt to house people is a legitimate concern  :unknown:
Really  theres no need for you to respond like that  :thumbsdown:

Offline NIK

So Mr Angry some immigrants are ok if the are white, but others are not welcome?

Where did I mention skin colour?

I am actually not overwhelmed by all the Scottish and Irish living in England, particularly when they are always whinging about the English.
And why Americans and Australians would want to come and live here I can't fathom.

For your information I couldn't care less whether immigrants are white, black, brown, blue, green or scarlet so long as the numbers are controlled, as any sensible person knows they have to be, (as much for the good of the immigrants as of the indigenous population) and we are not openly allowing unlimited numbers of crims and freeloaders in.

Why does it always come down to skin colour with you 'racists'?  :sarcastic:

Now, are you going to give that number?


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Where did I mention skin colour?

I am actually not overwhelmed by all the Scottish and Irish living in England, particularly when they are always whinging about the English.
And why Americans and Australians would want to come and live here I can't fathom.

For your information I couldn't care less whether immigrants are white, black, brown, blue, green or scarlet so long as the numbers are controlled, as any sensible person knows they have to be, (as much for the good of the immigrants as of the indigenous population) and we are not openly allowing unlimited numbers of crims and freeloaders in.

Why does it always come down to skin colour with you 'racists'?  :sarcastic:

Now, are you going to give that number?

You are happy with Angles and Saxon ( white ) but not other immigrants.

Offline NIK

You are happy with Angles and Saxon ( white ) but not other immigrants.

Can you actually read properly?  :dash:

I am not happy with too many immigrants regardless of colour.

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+1

Ban immigration from the middle east, indian subcontinent & africa
With the exception of those working in the medical & care sectors
The rest add fuck all value & are a drain on resources
Add PRC to this list

All brexit seems to have achieved is reducing people from the EU looking for work here
& replacing them with those from the above mentioned
A disaster area

People from HK will deffo add value

Trumpy has hit the nail on the head bout the PRC
His advisors have tactically advised him to refer to it as the 'Wuhan' Virus, not 'China' thus eliminating any potential to undermine this on racial grounds
Now that the PRC's economy is gaining ground over the rest of the world they are clearly looking to expand, focusing on HK
They've also added aviation to their target list, well 9 million easyjet customer details hacked

The US economy is over 25% of the World economy, their vested interest is nothing to do with freedom, democracy or the welfare of the world, it's all about supremacy to keep everyone else in thrall to their products and services.
China has a larger potential internal market than the US and Europe combined.  They are fostering/buying friends in the other populous areas of the world generally forsaken or "despised" by US populism and policy.  The Chinese play the long game even as their (over-)heated economy tears ahead.   They can build everything fast/cheap because the people are poor but invested, if not co-opted, in the prosperity of the nation as well as themselves.  They are in a perfect position to exploit the cheapness of their internal resources at the time when technology and invention brings transformation at a high margin to "greedy, foreign, capitalist" customers but as cheap as they like to their needier "allies".
China doesn't need military conquest to expand it has all it's economic might as the 2nd largest economy which doesn't have obscene billions privately held offshore by native corporations.  The bullying of Taiwan and HK are sadly conceits driven by pride rather than sound reasoning although you could argue they represent ideological cancers threatening the integrity of the people-for-the-nation concept.  The ghost cities scattered across China attest to the capacity for gross fraud when native capitalists are free to exploit yet they also demonstrate the industrial capability that can be brought to bear in elevating the infrastructure it needs.

The US as a nation concept is at odds with the mantra they preach of globalisation where wealth follows its most accommodating host.  Many of the richest in the world may physically dwell within its borders but do you really think they are subject to its bounds?  Flags of convenience comes to mind.  Just look at the way states bid for investment at the same time as they preside over some of the worst poverty conditions amongst the dispossessed that match 3rd world deprivation.

Gone are the days when intellectual power of modern discovery was in "white" brains, the carping about IP theft is more petulance and fear than genuine moral outrage.  Look at what IP actually protects; profiteering, not breaking even.  The Chinese have bided their time in establishing an educated cohort now intellectually able and technologically enabled to contend with all the best around the world and backed by an industrial behemoth able to manifest that discovery at uncontestable speed, (at least until India catches up, but they have all their internal bigotry and inequality to resolve).  That's the fear the US government have but they choose to puff up their chest in opposition rather than the (two-faced) attempts by the elder powers to nurture relations.  The old empires have learnt their lessons just as China has from it's previous imperiousness.

Prosperity comes from the willing custom of a community of respectful traders not the insistence of a snakeoil salesman plying magic and deceit.

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Personally i like it that immigrants dont assimilate, but maintain their own distinctive appearance and culture and communities, surely that is the benefit of multiculturism, i like black people who look like black people and chinese who look chinese and have there own flavoured communities. Otherwise if you just mix everyone up we just become an amorphous brown blob of sameness which defeats the benefit of multiculturism. JMHO  :thumbsup:

The "amorphous brown blob" is only sinister if it doesn't reflect its constitution of many individual cultures.  With freedom to express without violent reprisal then we're a log bedecked with flowers floating down the river of time.  :kissgirl: 

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I believe for a time, entry to Canada was facilitated if you paid a large tariff, an opportunity the Chinese took with both hands. No doubt wherever they go, exam pass rates improve , academic standards improve, in subjects viewed difficult,like maths.

The much stereotyped immigrant parents insisting their children take up the professions to escape the humble constraints of their parents is played out across many races coming to the "1st World".  Up to a few generations ago that aspiration was generally modest and innocuous because they "settled" for being prosperous professionals.  Now with the pre-eminence of "making it big" as a mantra thanks to the overwhelming viral load from the US spaffing all across the interconnected societies it's all about maximalism and excess for the sake of itself.

The humility and consideration of modest aspiration lost when people moved on to "the sky's the limit", although they've now transcended that and are now headed out past "reach for the stars".   Hence we've gone from BAME pharmacists, engineers, doctors and lawyers past "Bend it like Beckham" to the likes of "Crazy Rich (South East) Asians", BTS and Jack Ma.
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