Author Topic: Dominic Cummings and goings during lockdown whilst symptomatic  (Read 25487 times)

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Classic example from Stapler. Changing my post. If you look at my original post #1 you will see I did not mention KINNOCK as now shown.

Well, you should have done! Mr Lefty! Conveniently leaving Kinnock off your 'list!'   :rolleyes:
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He sat in his dad's front garden for a couple of hours. He didn't move in with him for two weeks.

Still broke the 'rules' though didn't he?  :unknown:
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I think the thing with Ferguson is slightly different, what he did might be considered somewhat frivolous, shagging his mistress.

Yes absolutely idiotic ... brain in trousers stuff. However he posed little real risk to others. That portion of his scientific brain which had not descended to his trouser department will have said "I have had and recovered from the virus and the balance of probability is that I have some degree of short term immunity". He is likely correct in that assumption. But to then think someone in his position may not get caught and the consequences of such is just stupidity again.

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This hypocrite Ferguson wants stringing up by his balls! This twat is the creator of our misery with his computer models that are so far out now, but have also been in the past!
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Stephen Kinnock! Hello!  :dash:

Classic whataboutery.

Dominic Cummings, nothing to see here :blush:

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This hypocrite Ferguson wants stringing up by his balls! This twat is the creator of our misery with his computer models that are so far out now, but have also been in the past!

On the other hand, the possibly hysterical result might have saved us from overwhelming the hospitals in the way that Italy had.

Hopefully modelling continues and with new parameters as time goes by - his team at Imperial are clearly updating it on github.


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Ferguson is single and lives alone. His mistress lives with her husband and kids. Read the reports. - they met at his house.

How do you know Ferguson infected Johnson and Hancock?

Your point is?

My point is that Ferguson broke the very rules that his modelling was responsible for implementing.  Doesn't matter where they met, he breached the rules.  We don't get to gauge how much of a threat we pose and then choose our freedoms accordingly.

It was widely reported that Ferguson was most likely the person responsible for infecting those three along with infecting Chris Witty. 
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 :hi:  I would of done same no way would i resign and my childs future is my concern not some recent Law drawn in haste He is not elected so why should we even feel we can infulence him he works for No 10 and its their call but even so on a case like this I would tell my employed to F1 right off if asked for resignation Noooo, sack and severance pay before going or theirs a hell of a lot of beans and worms coming your way Sir  :hi:

Its taken  the World from January maybe about 6-8 weeks to get the real low down on this covid, genetics , weight , underlying conditions , fitness and age ....these are the filters we should be warning these groups  not punishing all to protect a few. Cold statement but thats it. I am in vunerable group  maybe that has altered my veiw get on with things ..
.I mean some arsehole in an Audi coming down road at 200mph could hit a bird swerve and cause a tragic accident ( they will soon belive me as that lot want to post it up) ....Remember Monty Pyton s Quest for the hand of the princess " Smoking kills" .......for those youngsters guy has to buy 20 Rothmans fags and get killed by Bus...

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On the other hand, the possibly hysterical result might have saved us from overwhelming the hospitals in the way that Italy had.

Hopefully modelling continues and with new parameters as time goes by - his team at Imperial are clearly updating it on github.
Imperial's models and the foot and mouth fiasco... enough said.
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Offline Adoniron

Still broke the 'rules' though didn't he?  :unknown:

Also Kinnock and his wife didn't have Covid. Also he isn't the most senior government adviser responsible for Covid policy. See the difference?
Cummings is an arrogant, entitled twat who thinks he's above the law

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Also Kinnock and his wife didn't have Covid. Also he isn't the most senior government adviser responsible for Covid policy. See the difference?
Cummings is an arrogant, entitled twat who thinks he's above the law

And Boris covered it up.
But they're both Brexit bad boys and that's what matters.

Offline Beamer

Well, you should have done! Mr Lefty! Conveniently leaving Kinnock off your 'list!'   :rolleyes:

I try not to respond to idiots or trolls but will make this an exception.

Interesting that it needed the previous owner to add the following footnote to all your posts.

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"Despite the mistaken belief of some, this member may act like a moderator but they are NOT A MODERATOR."

Your meddling is tiresome but you seem to get some weird pleasure from it. So carry on making yourself look a plank. (to use one of your adjectives).
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Offline winkywanky

Yes absolutely idiotic ... brain in trousers stuff. However he posed little real risk to others. That portion of his scientific brain which had not descended to his trouser department will have said "I have had and recovered from the virus and the balance of probability is that I have some degree of short term immunity". He is likely correct in that assumption. But to then think someone in his position may not get caught and the consequences of such is just stupidity again.

Unfortunately the trouser department brain always wins   :cool: :D

Offline cunningman

Imperial's models and the foot and mouth fiasco... enough said.

You can point to a better one?  No, I'll bet you can't.

You think its the same one?  There are several Imperial models on github.

You think we'd be better without any modelling?  <= this is the important issue.

His model has 'implementation issues'.  Maybe some of them are fixed by now.  But this issue is then 'If not that model, then which one(s)?'.

Are you disputing that an R > 1 in a community gives exponential growth until the diminishing number of not yet infected starts to reduce R?

It is a basic tenet behind most such models, I believe - but clearly it is necessary to do some monte-carlo against all the input parameters and see which ones it is most sensitive to, and why the inputs are picked for the baseline case.


Offline Charlie Chalk

Why couldn’t Cummings’ sister or nieces have travelled to London and stayed with them instead, thus avoiding the “need” for 2 sick people to drive 260 miles with a young child with the inherent risks involved (reduced alertness at the wheel, possibility of contact with other people if they stopped at services, etc). I’m sure that in such an emergency one or two if the same people who were willing to help them in Durham would have been able to spend a little time in London instead. Alternatively, the idea that someone so close to the highest echelons of government would have been left in a position where their child would have been left solely in the care of 2 people both suffering from Covid is laughably ridiculous. A solution would have been found which would not have risked harm to anyone else whilst still respecting the law and the guidance.

His position is untenable, his attitude to all this is reprehensible, high handed and obscenely arrogant. No. 10 are doing themselves a great deal of damage by trying to defend the indefensible.

Offline Rabbit63

Ferguson is single and lives alone. His mistress lives with her husband and kids. Read the reports. - they met at his house.

How do you know Ferguson infected Johnson and Hancock?
The prime suspect for infecting Boris must be Cummings. He’s up his @rse often enough...

Offline Beamer

The prime suspect for infecting Boris must be Cummings. He’s up his @rse often enough...

Just picked this up......

"Dominic Cummings ignored coronavirus lockdown rules for a second time to visit his parents more than 250 miles away, the Sunday Mirror can reveal.

Boris Johnson’s top aide was spotted with his wife in Houghall Woods near the family’s Durham home two weeks after the first sighting."

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You can point to a better one?  No, I'll bet you can't.

You think its the same one?  There are several Imperial models on github.

You think we'd be better without any modelling?  <= this is the important issue.

His model has 'implementation issues'.  Maybe some of them are fixed by now.  But this issue is then 'If not that model, then which one(s)?'.

Are you disputing that an R > 1 in a community gives exponential growth until the diminishing number of not yet infected starts to reduce R?

It is a basic tenet behind most such models, I believe - but clearly it is necessary to do some monte-carlo against all the input parameters and see which ones it is most sensitive to, and why the inputs are picked for the baseline case.

I'd bet you'd disagree with me if I described the colour of the sky as blue...

I'd go with Suntra Gupta at Oxford's modelling, given the outcomes of Imperial's modelling over the past few incidences when it has come to the public eye.  Imperial's shows a tendency towards extreme worst case scenarios which can be useful when you need justification for action.

Do I think we'd be better without modelling? That's an incredibly stupid question. Not even worthy of an answer.

As for the R number, this relies on an accurate knowledge of how many people are actually infected.  And all we can do is guess at that.  Sure, we can give very educated guesses, but all the statistics regarding the R number is effectively a guessing game dressed up as science.

I've refrained from responding to your posts since you suggested I change my career and learn from the successes of youtubers.  Look, you work in IT.  And industry who's ethical code is to seek apology when they infringe rather than permission.  Your grasp on the complexity and diversity of humanity, on ethics, morality and liberty is too insular to be argued with.  Clearly an alumni of Dunning Kruger University.   

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oh he's toast  :yahoo: (good fucking riddance)
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Offline Rabbit63

What you fail to say is what you think he SHOULD have done.  If the family had stayed put, there would have been a very real possibility that the 4 year old could have woken up one morning to find both his parents delirious and incapacitated. 

The only thing Cummings did differently to many other parents in a similar situation but who have relatives around the corner, is that he and his family travelled 200 miles to get to his relatives.  If the family travelled by car (which is the most likely scenario), he put no-one else at risk.  If the grandparents chose to accept the risk of taking in the child, that is up to them (and the risk of catching the virus off a 4 year old is minimal).

I would normally be the last person to defend Cummings, and the sooner he is booted out of No.10 the better, but in this case I think the criticism is entirely misplaced.  The guidelines clearly state that you are allowed to travel for medical reasons, and this was clearly a medical reason.
His brother-in-law lives in London !
Government advice does indeed permit travel for medical reasons. They now allow travel, but not for an overnight stay.
Contrast the stance taken by Cummings to the treatment of two bikers who travelled to Whitby for some fish and chips. Both cases were clear breaches of the rules, yet the bikers weren’t intending to stay overnight, were not already showing symptoms, and were not in an enclosed space where they would infect others.
Police fined them and they were vilified in the media.
Cummings - according to his account - was not spoken to by the police, and was not fined. His breaches were far greater.
Johnson needs to show leadership. Cummings should be sacked.
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Offline Bikerboy

oh he's toast  :yahoo: (good fucking riddance)

Cummings = breathtaking arrogance. Whichever way you spin it’s shit actions taken by the architect of the rules he’s comprehensively broken over and over. What a dipstick. Cabinet defending tells you all you need to know about they’re culture and sense of justice and fairness (non- existent).

In they’re public school boy way we’ve seen so often before in C-19 they’ll defy calls to sack him for as long as possible and deny they’re in the wrong like they do with everything else.

However, I think Cummings enemies smell blood. Oh and he went North at least twice we find out. Oh dear...

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His brother-in-law lives in London !
Government advice does indeed permit travel for medical reasons. They now allow travel, but not for an overnight stay.
Contrast the stance taken by Cummings to the treatment of two bikers who travelled to Whitby for some fish and chips. Both cases were clear breaches of the rules, yet the bikers weren’t intending to stay overnight, were not already showing symptoms, and were not in an enclosed space where they would infect others.
Police fined them and they were vilified in the media.
Cummings - according to his account - was not spoken to by the police, and was not fined. His breaches were far greater.
Johnson needs to show leadership. Cummings should be sacked.

What were the lockdown rules?
At the time of Mr Cummings' trip, the whole of the UK was in the "stay at home" part of lockdown.

This meant you were only allowed to leave the house to:

1 Shop for basic necessities - namely food and medicine
2 Carry out one form of exercise a day - alone or with members of your household
3 Address a medical need
4 Travel for work purposes
However, the government advice said, if you had symptoms, you had to stay isolated in your home for seven days from when the symptoms began, with any other members of the household having to isolate for 14 days in case they had contracted the virus.

You were not allowed to see family or friends from other households if you had symptoms and also told not to travel anywhere


So he didn't qualify for any of the 4 acceptable reasons to leave the house however he did have symptoms so the advise (which he helps to formulate) was clear - Self isolate, don't leave the fucking house  :diablo:

And people are defending this malignant cunt  :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash:

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Why are people defending this hypocritical cunt?  :unknown:
If that was an everyday Joe they would've been slapped with a fine and told to fuck off to where they came from by the Police.  :dash: :dash: :dash:
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Offline Adoniron

So he went to Durham twice. All those cabinet ministers who came out to defend him look pretty stupid now. They'll be furious and they will want him gone now.

Offline Surreychap

So he went to Durham twice. All those cabinet ministers who came out to defend him look pretty stupid now. They'll be furious and they will want him gone now.

They would have been ordered to, and as none have a backbone they followed orders. Guess that’s the job of a yes man. Looks like Dom had his own interests at heart and fancied a more comfortable lockdown after all

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Why are people defending this hypocritical cunt?  :unknown:
If that was an everyday Joe they would've been slapped with a fine and told to fuck off to where they came from by the Police.  :dash: :dash: :dash:

I don’t think anyone is defending him... all I’m defending is the right for people to use common sense regardless of any rules, that are at best rather vague..
I’m defending the right of people to take care of their family no matter what people say...

If someone is caught to be lying and dishonest then they deserve what comes to them...

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Look at how the government have all closed ranks behind him and continue to peddle the "Nothing to see here" line en masse.  It risks undermining public acceptance of lockdown (already pretty shaky on that score) and for that reason alone he should go but it seems there's one law for them and one for us.

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it seems there's one law for them and one for us.

Not sure this is actually true... the big difference is they are in the public eye, so more likely to be investigated by the media or reported by people who have an axe to grind.
I am sure there are lots of people who do things that would never get reported or criticised as they are just normal people doing what they think is right

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I’m defending the right of people to take care of their family no matter what people say...

That is quite dangerous and there was a caller on LBC who tried to say 'family comes first'.

Really?  What about our laws?  I seem to remember being told 'these are not guidelines, they are instructions'. I do not recall any mention of common sense - even of there being a way to ask for a bye for difficult circumstances.

If they had done that, had a hotline, something - I'd be very sympathetic.  I don't think the Scottish lady should have taken such a fall for the holiday home visit - it was totally socially distanced, probably a safer place to hole up.  But she had to go, because she broke The Rules.

It is quite dangerous to say that if you are needy and desperate then the law does not apply.  Leniency in sentencing might apply, but its not a trump card, and the law applies.  (and, no, not a Trump card)

And let's face it - Cummings had relative(s) in London, and indeed elsewhere, and to ensure the child is protected just takes a checkin text or zoom every few hours, and the emergency/social services will go help a vulnerable child if the parents are incapacitated.  Most probably, so would a neighbor.  Its bullshit that he thought they would both become so ill so quickly that they could not phone or text and she would be in such need of protection.

Offline Bikerboy

Not sure this is actually true... the big difference is they are in the public eye, so more likely to be investigated by the media or reported by people who have an axe to grind.
I am sure there are lots of people who do things that would never get reported or criticised as they are just normal people doing what they think is right

Considering he’s locked us all up for 3 months you’re remarkably tolerant of a hypocrite...

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Considering he’s locked us all up for 3 months you’re remarkably tolerant of a hypocrite...

I suppose I am a little too trusting and want to see the best in people..
Totally understand the need for some control, not entirely sure he is the architect of everything that had occurred, concidering  similar lockdowns have occurred in other countries.. so he’s not much different to anyone who is a position of power to interpret the science and decide the best course of action..

However just because people tell me what to do doesn’t necessarily mean I’ll follow it blindly like a sheep if I feel it puts me or my family at risk... I would say fuck them all to protect what is mine, and if anyone says any different I think they are either stupid or lying...

We all make our own judgments which is why there really isn’t any total agreement on what is the right thing to do both socially, economically or medically.. the reality there really won’t ever be, so it’s up to us based on what we know to make the decisions that are right for me and everyone I care for, I’m sorry the rest of the world can burn as long as I keep what I care about safe...

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As has been pointed out, he's been going up and down the M1 and even been seen strolling with his family near beauty spots while still non-self isolating.  While others couldn't even say farewell to dying parents.

As journos have said tonight, publicly there may be a show of force to support him but privately it's a different story.

Offline King Nuts

Petermisc - you are wasting your time and effort - there are several contributors here that just want to bash certain other people (Boris and Cummings included) not matter what!

They are quick to make assumptions and as you say, have not made any suggestions as to what he could have done in the cirmustances. I too, don't like the man but not sure what else he could have reasonably done!

Agreed. One of the brilliant things about this story is watching Lefties lose their shit.

I hope Cummings sticks to his guns with the 'I don't care what you lot think' line.

The only reason the guy has any media presence at all is because the howling pack of retards known more commonly as 'the press' hate him for not co-operating with them. Like they've got some right to have a say in things. Fuck 'em.

Most of the public only have a passing interest in the likes of Cummings, and this is a great example of why the media is not to be trusted. Their judgement is poor, their grasp of facts worse, and their bias runs deep.

The guy clearly acted in the best interests of his family. And he has a right to think that anyone who can't see it can go and do one.


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Not sure this is actually true... the big difference is they are in the public eye, so more likely to be investigated by the media or reported by people who have an axe to grind.
I am sure there are lots of people who do things that would never get reported or criticised as they are just normal people doing what they think is right

Quite. Let he who is without sin.......   

Anyone?

Thought not.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Agreed. One of the brilliant things about this story is watching Lefties lose their shit.

I hope Cummings sticks to his guns with the 'I don't care what you lot think' line.

The only reason the guy has any media presence at all is because the howling pack of retards known more commonly as 'the press' hate him for not co-operating with them. Like they've got some right to have a say in things. Fuck 'em.

Most of the public only have a passing interest in the likes of Cummings, and this is a great example of why the media is not to be trusted. Their judgement is poor, their grasp of facts worse, and their bias runs deep.

The guy clearly acted in the best interests of his family. And he has a right to think that anyone who can't see it can go and do one.
And this from someone who started this "More do as I say" thread, seems quite ironic really  :rolleyes:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=277890.0

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And this from someone who started this "More do as I say" thread, seems quite ironic really  :rolleyes:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=277890.0

Really? You are equating these two stories?

One of them's a virtue-signaller, letting the taxpayer pick up something he could easily have covered, and by his own comments, should have covered.

The other was acting in the best interests of his family. I have kids and I would have done exactly what Cummings did. If indeed he was being hypocritical, and the circumstances don't necessarily indicate it, then he was being so for entirely different reasons.



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Quite. Let he who is without sin.......   

Anyone?

Thought not.

I think in this case - the sin of breaking lockdown rules - there are plenty lining up to throw stones who are entirely without sin.

I agree the Kev40'spoint that when push comes to shove we will put our loved ones first and if that means breaking the law, then the law is an ass.  But Cummings had other options.  And he also should be aware of the optics - more aware than most.  He chose wrongly and he knows the media have been out to get him since Brexit and now they smell blood.  I normally have a great deal of sympathy for hose on the receiving end of nasty media attention, but not this time. 
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Offline King Nuts

the media have been out to get him since Brexit and now they smell blood. 

It's for that reason I do not trust or believe one fucking word any of those hysterical morons come out with.

They have made this a personal vendetta and I believe the vast majority of the public are increasingly tiring of them. The armies of the self-righteous have all ganged up, as usual, having been baited by the press, the majority of which have still not gotten over Brexit.

I tell you, I have gone right off the media in this country. I doubt I'll ever buy a newspaper again.

End of the day, I don't think Joe Public has any interest in the likes of Cummings. I know I don't, but I'm always glad he's out there, needling all the right people.

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It's for that reason I do not trust or believe one fucking word any of those hysterical morons come out with.

They have made this a personal vendetta and I believe the vast majority of the public are increasingly tiring of them. The armies of the self-righteous have all ganged up, as usual, having been baited by the press, the majority of which have still not gotten over Brexit.

I tell you, I have gone right off the media in this country. I doubt I'll ever buy a newspaper again.

End of the day, I don't think Joe Public has any interest in the likes of Cummings. I know I don't, but I'm always glad he's out there, needling all the right people.

I don't disagree with any of that, and the TV news is generally worse - but as far as Cummings goes... it's like the old saying - a broken clock is at least right twice a day.  And in Cummings's case... let the bloodbath begin.
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Offline Colston36

From what I've read tonight both he and his wife weren't well enough to look after their child but they were well enough to drive from London to Durham.  :unknown:

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And take in the odd sight-seeing jaunt. It all reminds me of the old song: "It's the same the whole world over, etc." If you get Corona, will you, like Boris, enjoy the attention of two nurses?

Offline petermisc

Alternatively, the idea that someone so close to the highest echelons of government would have been left in a position where their child would have been left solely in the care of 2 people both suffering from Covid is laughably ridiculous. A solution would have been found which would not have risked harm to anyone else whilst still respecting the law and the guidance.
Ah, I see, you are saying that it wasn't necessary because he should get special privileges anyway, that us ordinary mortals are not entitled to.  That would have surely gone down much better in the press.

Offline winkywanky

It's for that reason I do not trust or believe one fucking word any of those hysterical morons come out with.

They have made this a personal vendetta and I believe the vast majority of the public are increasingly tiring of them. The armies of the self-righteous have all ganged up, as usual, having been baited by the press, the majority of which have still not gotten over Brexit.

I tell you, I have gone right off the media in this country. I doubt I'll ever buy a newspaper again.

End of the day, I don't think Joe Public has any interest in the likes of Cummings. I know I don't, but I'm always glad he's out there, needling all the right people.


Am I not right in saying you've been very vocal here in saying the press should be allowed to have an opinion, and that's the way you like it?

Or is it just that with this particular matter, none of them seem to agree with your point of view?

I also think you'd be very wrong to think the public has little interest in Cummings, he's seen as not only a controversial figure (I don't personally see that as a problem by the way), but as very much an/the architect of the Lockdown policy which the vast majority have endured for the common good.

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And take in the odd sight-seeing jaunt. It all reminds me of the old song: "It's the same the whole world over, etc." If you get Corona, will you, like Boris, enjoy the attention of two nurses?
You are making the big assumption that he did make these outings.  The evidence seems pretty flimsy to me.  Last week, my neighbour said he drove past me the previous day on a particular route while I was out on my daily exercise - I had to tell him I hadn't walked that road in over a week, and I hadn't gone out at all that day, but he insisted that it was me he passed.  If these sightings of Cummings are as reliable as that.....

Offline cunningman

I'd go with Suntra Gupta at Oxford's modelling, given the outcomes of Imperial's modelling over the past few incidences when it has come to the public eye.  Imperial's shows a tendency towards extreme worst case scenarios which can be useful when you need justification for action.

The trouble with her model (per unherd) is that 'speculated that as much as 50% of the population may already have been infected' when there seems little medical evidence of that through testing.  It would indeed be fine if the hidden magical immunity she needs to justify her results were to be proven.

But you 'go with' her model simply because it aligns with what you want.  We need to let the scientists acquire evidence and duke it out.

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It's for that reason I do not trust or believe one fucking word any of those hysterical morons come out with.

They have made this a personal vendetta and I believe the vast majority of the public are increasingly tiring of them. The armies of the self-righteous have all ganged up, as usual, having been baited by the press, the majority of which have still not gotten over Brexit.

I tell you, I have gone right off the media in this country. I doubt I'll ever buy a newspaper again.

End of the day, I don't think Joe Public has any interest in the likes of Cummings. I know I don't, but I'm always glad he's out there, needling all the right people.

'Come along now, there's nothing to see.'

Offline petermisc

Whether Cummings was right or wrong to safeguard his family (and I still believe he was right), the way he went about it has certainly made it look wrong.  He of all people must surely have known what the press would make of it.  When doing something that is questionable, it is far better to be upfront about it, rather than attempt to hide it - you may still get shit thrown at you, but it will be far less if you are open about it. 

Cummings has put Boris in an invidious position: if Boris does nothing, the next time he goes on telly and tells us how important it is that we all keep obeying the lockdown, he must surely know a sizeable proportion of the population will be going "yeh, right, one rule for us......".

Cummings has become a liability to maintaining the lockdown, but I think Boris regards him as essential to his political career.  We are soon going to find out what is more important to Boris: the country or his career.  The crunch is surely going to come when Boris next faces the press, or PMQs.   I must admit that I had gone off the press questions after the daily briefings, but a couple recently have been particularly incisive and led to dramatic changes of government policy.

My bet is that Cummings will go, but then Boris will quietly reinstate him later on, as Cameron did with Coulson.

Offline winkywanky

Whether Cummings was right or wrong to safeguard his family (and I still believe he was right), the way he went about it has certainly made it look wrong.  He of all people must surely have known what the press would make of it.  When doing something that is questionable, it is far better to be upfront about it, rather than attempt to hide it - you may still get shit thrown at you, but it will be far less if you are open about it. 

Cummings has put Boris in an invidious position: if Boris does nothing, the next time he goes on telly and tells us how important it is that we all keep obeying the lockdown, he must surely know a sizeable proportion of the population will be going "yeh, right, one rule for us......".

Cummings has become a liability to maintaining the lockdown, but I think Boris regards him as essential to his political career.  We are soon going to find out what is more important to Boris: the country or his career.  The crunch is surely going to come when Boris next faces the press, or PMQs.   I must admit that I had gone off the press questions after the daily briefings, but a couple recently have been particularly incisive and led to dramatic changes of government policy.

My bet is that Cummings will go, but then Boris will quietly reinstate him later on, as Cameron did with Coulson.


I agree with all your post, but I'm mystified by one thing: did Cameron really reinstate Coulson? I wasn't aware of that?

Offline Blackpool Rock

Whether Cummings was right or wrong to safeguard his family (and I still believe he was right), the way he went about it has certainly made it look wrong.  He of all people must surely have known what the press would make of it.  When doing something that is questionable, it is far better to be upfront about it, rather than attempt to hide it - you may still get shit thrown at you, but it will be far less if you are open about it. 

Cummings has put Boris in an invidious position: if Boris does nothing, the next time he goes on telly and tells us how important it is that we all keep obeying the lockdown, he must surely know a sizeable proportion of the population will be going "yeh, right, one rule for us......".

Cummings has become a liability to maintaining the lockdown, but I think Boris regards him as essential to his political career.  We are soon going to find out what is more important to Boris: the country or his career.  The crunch is surely going to come when Boris next faces the press, or PMQs.   I must admit that I had gone off the press questions after the daily briefings, but a couple recently have been particularly incisive and led to dramatic changes of government policy.

My bet is that Cummings will go, but then Boris will quietly reinstate him later on, as Cameron did with Coulson.
Well it now appears that many senior Tories are calling for him to go as it's ultimately damaging the party and the Governments / Boris's ability to get on with anything as everything is now "All about Cummings"

Just seen footage of Cummings leaving his house to get in the car and being hit with a barrage of questions but he basically kept his mouth shut.
Apparently he's currently in No. 10 so my money is that he will be gone pretty soon  :thumbsup:

Offline Blackpool Rock

Really? You are equating these two stories?

One of them's a virtue-signaller, letting the taxpayer pick up something he could easily have covered, and by his own comments, should have covered.

The other was acting in the best interests of his family. I have kids and I would have done exactly what Cummings did. If indeed he was being hypocritical, and the circumstances don't necessarily indicate it, then he was being so for entirely different reasons.
Actually your correct it's not right to draw any connection between the actions of Coogan and Cummings.

On the one hand we have Coogan who didn't make the rules but is simply sticking to them whereas on the other hand we have Cummings who ............  ;)