Author Topic: Lineker & co swearing  (Read 1466 times)

Offline NIK

What's all this bollox with Lineker, Shearer & Wright and the swearing? They bleep it out, but it's obvious what they are saying, indeed one 'fucking' got as far as 'fuc' before being bleeped. Futhermore, it's way past the watershed and the BBC have plenty of programmes full of f ing and blinding prior to the football show. Is it done just for humour, after all a bleep and silly image over their mouths is really hilarious isn't it? More to the point why do they need to swear at all? They don't do it on the normal programme. Is it to show they are regular guys and even goody two shoes Lineker is a real man.
The BBC's hypocrisy to 'offensive' language is truly staggering. And of course we all know that although plenty of 'fucks' are fine and even the odd 'cunt' permissable there are certain words they would never allow in a million years.
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Offline winkywanky

I should imagine the distinction made by the BBC is that the swearing you hear on the BBC after the watershed is normally in drama, or perhaps on live shows where it's impossible to bleep out the 'offending' words. Or maybe on Comedy shows too, where it's part of the 'act'.

A pre-recorded Football show with 'family favourites' such as Lineker will - by the magic of a PVR - almost certainly be seen by young kids at a future point.

It does seem somewhat like firefighting though, when young kids go to Football matches and hear every type of word, as well as from the touchline when they play in their local League.

Offline King Nuts

Bad language has found its way into an awful lot of BBC programming.

Loads of continuity announcements say things like: 'And now a programme about sheep farming/motorways/Czech Bakelite factories of the 1970s/whatever, with very strong language from the outset'.

Fuckers.

Offline Beamer

I should imagine the distinction made by the BBC is that the swearing you hear on the BBC after the watershed is normally in drama, or perhaps on live shows where it's impossible to bleep out the 'offending' words. Or maybe on Comedy shows too, where it's part of the 'act'.

A pre-recorded Football show with 'family favourites' such as Lineker will - by the magic of a PVR - almost certainly be seen by young kids at a future point.

It does seem somewhat like firefighting though, when young kids go to Football matches and hear every type of word, as well as from the touchline when they play in their local League.

The BBC do not need the "bad language" and it will rebound on them.

Offline winkywanky

I think they strike a pretty good balance, society has changed a lot and a lot more people swear now, all the time, even without thinking about it.

I think in Drama after the watershed is OK, where to have the characters not swearing would stand out as weird. Possibly Stand-Up too, where they want to give the full experience of a Comedy gig.

They have to draw the line somewhere, and there are reasons for doing so.

Of course everyone will have their own idea of where that line should be drawn.

Offline Thephoenix

Grew up in an era where even saying bloomin eck resulted in being told to wash my mouth out with soap and water.

In the teens more coarse words were learnt of course, but never used at home, never heard in mixed company, and never by women, and certainly never on radio or later television.

I remember as a young teenager actually being really surprised the first time I head a boy saying fuck in conversations with girls. And then even more shocked to hear a girl say it.

Even now it's not a word I'd use in mixed company.

Yes, times have changed, and it's become common practice in films and TV, and yet when my grandson was younger and we were out on public transport, I would cringe when hearing indiscriminate use of the word.

As most of my work life has involved male only environments, of course it's part of the banter and I've used the word many times in both aggressive and non aggressive situations.

Regarded Lineker & co, I just don't think there's any need. It's sometimes just lazy and indicates a poor vocabulary.

As regards the comedians, it's often used hoping to just get a cheap laugh or shock, and it amazes me sometimes that it'll even get a round of applause.
I'm bias, but I don't think my favourite, old Doddy, ever felt the need to use swear words.... he didn't need to.

Offline cotton

I agree with NIK to some extent if the BBC feel the swearing is inappropriate enough to bleep it out they should make it clear to Lineker & Co to cut the fucking swearing out , simples or get a new presenter who isnt such a foul mouthed cunt  :thumbsup:

Offline King Nuts

I lke a good bit of swearing. At the right moment and in the right environment it can be powerful as well as comical.

The word 'cunt' for instance, has a wonderful brevity to it, and the hard '-nt' ending emphasises its impact. Put to great use here: External Link/Members Only especially at 1' 44"

But I don't like hearing bad language in public. I don't get personally offended, but it bugs me when I'm out with my younger kids and they have to overhear it. I drum it into them NOT to use such words, ever.



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I agree with NIK to some extent if the BBC feel the swearing is inappropriate enough to bleep it out they should make it clear to Lineker & Co to cut the fucking swearing out , simples or get a new presenter who isnt such a foul mouthed cunt  :thumbsup:

Perhaps with all their money they could treat themselves to some elocution lessons so they can learn to talk proper.

Offline binbag

I don't swear a hell of a lot but i grew up (in the 50s) hearing a lot of coarse language, from nearly everyone except my mum. Lots of men my dad's age (usually ex-servicemen) would swear, look over at me , say sorry and then carry on. I always thought the apologies were unnecessary but knew they were trying to be nice. As a kid I often wondered why people didn't swear on telly when they did everywhere else. Even today I only find swearing offensive when it's an effort to be 'daring' in a drama, or when a comedian thinks a lame joke is funnier with a few swear words. Instead of asking is there a need to swear, I'd be wondering is there a need not to? And as for people getting offended when I do swear, I get offended by the notion that my language is "bad". Fuck 'em.

Offline PatMacGroin

I get the impression this new Covid19 era MotD has been quickly and cheaply hashed together, for obvious reasons. Get Linekar, Wright and Shearer to sit together for a few hours of online chat (although clearly using better equipment than the standard zoom set-up). Give them a few "Rate your Top Ten..." topics to give the conversation a bit of structure and direction. But ultimately bung all the recordings over to an editing team to cut and paste into something watchable.

It looks like they are sitting in their own homes (unless the Beeb has gone to the unnecessary expense of creating sets to give that impression.) So they no doubt feel more relaxed than they usually would in a studio setting. Course language would have common throughout most of their careers in football. So it's not surprising that's what they revert to in what appears to be a relaxed environment.

However, even if they can do the occasional re-take for normal pre-recorded MotD episodes if a the odd swear word slips out. All three of them regularly do live broadcasts where swearing would not be acceptable. They manage to keep it under control then, because they are well aware that they will not get repeat bookings if they can't maintain a professional standard. So they should be able to maintain that now. They are still being paid to do the same job, even if the environment and the circumstances feel different.

I swear a lot myself, and don't really notice it in day to day life, but I think TV should be held to a higher standard. I recognise it can be used to great effect in drama and comedy, but it should be avoided where it is unnecessary.

Offline NIK

I think the programmes have been quite interesting although rather predictable. It was obvious Ferguson was going to be best manager. How could he not? I thought the most interesting was the one on strikers when Shearer had the unenviable task of ranking himself. At least he didn’t show false modesty.
I thought the last one on ‘bonkers moments’ was crap though. They only showed pics of the Cantona incident which again predictably came top. Didn’t they have the rights to the film of it? Similarly, no footage of the Keegan ‘meltdown’ interview. Instead they showed the Ferguson interview which sparked it. Presumably they didn’t have the rights.
Also, although Lineker, keeps referring to the fact that ‘football didn’t exist before the Premier League’ in his typically annoying ironical way, it actually comes over like they really believe that.
Perhaps it’s just as well they are only concerned with the Premier League, otherwise Lineker would have to rank himself.

Offline Kingy28

I didn't watch the programme to which you are referring but the meltdown for me was the on pitch fight between Dyer & Bowyer of Newcastle United. I've played in hundreds of not thousands of football matches. Seen plenty of fist fights between opposing players and even players & spectators but I've never seen two players from the same team fighting each other

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I think the programmes have been quite interesting although rather predictable. It was obvious Ferguson was going to be best manager. How could he not? I thought the most interesting was the one on strikers when Shearer had the unenviable task of ranking himself. At least he didn’t show false modesty.
I thought the last one on ‘bonkers moments’ was crap though. They only showed pics of the Cantona incident which again predictably came top. Didn’t they have the rights to the film of it? Similarly, no footage of the Keegan ‘meltdown’ interview. Instead they showed the Ferguson interview which sparked it. Presumably they didn’t have the rights.
Also, although Lineker, keeps referring to the fact that ‘football didn’t exist before the Premier League’ in his typically annoying ironical way, it actually comes over like they really believe that.
Perhaps it’s just as well they are only concerned with the Premier League, otherwise Lineker would have to rank himself.

I thought Danny Murphy came across very well when selecting his best ever games.

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I didn't watch the programme to which you are referring but the meltdown for me was the on pitch fight between Dyer & Bowyer of Newcastle United. I've played in hundreds of not thousands of football matches. Seen plenty of fist fights between opposing players and even players & spectators but I've never seen two players from the same team fighting each other

I remember Blackburn team "mates" Batty and Le Saux fighting each other in Moscow against Spartak back in 1995:

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Also, Charlton team "mates" Mike Flannagan and Derek Hales were both sent off for fighting each other in a FA Cup game against Maidstone back in 1979:

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Offline Kingy28

I remember Blackburn team "mates" Batty and Le Saux fighting each other in Moscow against Spartak back in 1995:

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Also, Charlton team "mates" Mike Flannagan and Derek Hales were both sent off for fighting each other in a FA Cup game against Maidstone back in the 70's.
I had no idea about the Charlton players but I vaguely remember the Blackburn incident now.
I was watching The Big Match in btsport the other day & Charlton were the featured game with Derek Hales the studio guest