Author Topic: Real Mother and Daughter (Read 28836 times)

It's ambiguous.

64/1/a refers to "A" as he"

but

64/2 lists "aunt" as one of the things that "A" may be

I'm not familiar with this, or any other, legislation but maybe when they say "he" it is also considered to refer to "she" as to be constantly stating he/she would be clumsy.

ruggedscot · « **Reply #57 on:** April 30, 2020, 01:16:07 pm »

Quote from: Georgeuk2 on April 29, 2020, 10:59:40 pm

Just to clarify, did the daughter give a HJ !! It repeatedly states in her website that she doesn’t and other reviews state the same !!!

There is a possibility that the daughter will give a hj, it does happen but you need deep pockets.... been with both separately and together and never been disappointed. that old YMMV applies and your attitude and demeanor all go towards their decision. but by god its worth it.

Nigel57 · « **Reply #58 on:** April 30, 2020, 01:31:13 pm »

I personally know of a family where the niece is older than her uncle. Mother had a very late pregnancy and daughter a teenage pregnancy, so both mother & daughter were pregnant at, more or less, the same time and the daughter gave birth to the niece a short while before the uncle was born to the mother.

Doc Holliday · « **Reply #59 on:** April 30, 2020, 01:45:12 pm »

Quote from: houseboot on April 30, 2020, 01:11:59 pm

It's ambiguous.

64/1/a refers to "A" as he"

but

64/2 lists "aunt" as one of the things that "A" may be

I'm not familiar with this, or any other, legislation but maybe when they say "he" it is also considered to refer to "she" as to be constantly stating he/she would be clumsy.

64/2 relates to the relationship with A not what A is. A is always male. If A could be female it would not be clumsy to say so and it would be worded he/she

I have seen this topic crop up many times over the years in relation to mother/daughter/sister punts and the consensus has always been that if the two SPs interact (eg reverse oral) it is not illegal.

Also with the law referring to penetration only, nobody has ever been able to clarify that if an 18 year old daughter* (with consent) gave a hand job to her father it would be legal ... which would appear to be the case?

EDIT* or son

Nigel57 · « **Reply #60 on:** April 30, 2020, 01:54:02 pm »

Don't like to disagree with you Dr but wouldn't it be safe guarding issue, then the relative power,position of those involved comes into play. Wouldn't the father be assumed to be in a position of trust and therefore be responsible.

signy · « **Reply #61 on:** April 30, 2020, 02:46:03 pm »

Quote from: winkywanky on April 30, 2020, 11:56:44 am

Sibling-parents could be 20yrs apart, and they could have had their kids at older or younger ages.

Very common in the olden days when women started having children earlier and families were larger (with limited contraception options). Family trees from Victorian/Edwardian times often show eldest daughters having children before their mothers had finished. Although aunts/nieces of similar ages were virtually raised as sisters as families didn't move around the country like the do today. It can make family history tricky to tease apart (and yes, it applies to my family - a lot!).

winkywanky · « **Reply #62 on:** April 30, 2020, 02:48:44 pm »

Not so uncommon these days either, where couples get divorced or separate several times, and new couplings want new children.

Doc Holliday · « **Reply #63 on:** April 30, 2020, 02:59:38 pm »

Quote from: Nigel57 on April 30, 2020, 01:54:02 pm

Don't like to disagree with you Dr but wouldn't it be safe guarding issue, then the relative power,position of those involved comes into play. Wouldn't the father be assumed to be in a position of trust and therefore be responsible.

Child Safeguarding mostly ends at the age of 18, although the Mental Capacity Act protects all ages who may be 'vulnerable'.

However in this case I am assuming both parties to be over 18 consenting and 'of sound mind'. The scenario I describe would be generally accepted to be morally wrong and indeed consent by both parties for it to actually happen is unlikley, but I have never been able to find anything which says it is illegal? Hence the question.

Bogof60 · « **Reply #64 on:** May 01, 2020, 12:19:09 am »

Another thought

If you punt a WG with a say 20 year age gap which I know I have done. You could be punting your own daughter

Unlikely I know but I certainly had a few unprotected one night stands when I was in my 20's in the 80's and 90's so up to a 40 year old WG could be the product of that one night stand.

I am only thankful that I do not now live in the same region of the country that I grew up in.

I do always live in fear that I will book a punt with a daughter of a friend or acquaintance unknowingly

sparkus · « **Reply #65 on:** May 01, 2020, 02:01:04 am »

Quote from: Bogof60 on May 01, 2020, 12:19:09 am

Another thought

If you punt a WG with a say 20 year age gap which I know I have done. You could be punting your own daughter

Unlikely I know but I certainly had a few unprotected one night stands when I was in my 20's in the 80's and 90's so up to a 40 year old WG could be the product of that one night stand.

I am only thankful that I do not now live in the same region of the country that I grew up in.

I do always live in fear that I will book a punt with a daughter of a friend or acquaintance unknowingly

If you're adopted you will often be told to avoid people of your own race for that reason

Once punted a big friendly bear of a black girl who said it was a struggle to get from Croydon that day in time to start at 11am. I asked why the big commute and she said "When I first started this I opened the door to find my dad's friend on the other side."

houseboot · « **Reply #66 on:** May 01, 2020, 07:08:00 am »

Quote from: Doc Holliday on April 30, 2020, 01:45:12 pm

64/2 relates to the relationship with A not what A is. A is always male. If A could be female it would not be clumsy to say so and it would be worded he/she

It states what A is:-

"2) The ways that A may be related to B are as parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece."

sparkus · « **Reply #67 on:** May 01, 2020, 07:59:03 am »

Quote from: houseboot on May 01, 2020, 07:08:00 am

It states what A is:-

"2) The ways that A may be related to B are as parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece."

I'm still waiting for the context from Tesla ie. how to even be in that situation (several women being OK with sharing a sexual partner and being coerced into a sex act with a relative)

Just a hint or two, nothing incriminating

Doc Holliday · « **Reply #68 on:** May 01, 2020, 09:04:37 am »

Quote from: houseboot on May 01, 2020, 07:08:00 am

It states what A is:-

"2) The ways that A may be related to B are as parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece."

No section 2 does not state what A is. Section (1)(a) does that as below

64 Sex with an adult relative: penetration

(1) A person aged 16 or over (A) [F1(subject to subsection (3A))] commits an offence if—
(a) he intentionally penetrates another person’s vagina or anus with a part of his body or anything else, or penetrates another person’s mouth with his penis,
(b) the penetration is sexual,
(c) the other person (B) is aged 18 or over,
(d) A is related to B in a way mentioned in subsection (2), and
(e) A knows or could reasonably be expected to know that he is related to B in that way.

(2) The ways that A may be related to B are as parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece.

64 (1)(a) states the gender of A as an over 16 male (as highlighted in red). Section 2 gives the nature of the relationship between A and B not what A is. This is previously referred to in (1)(d) (highlighted in blue) ie that B may be the parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece of A.

tesla · « **Reply #69 on:** May 01, 2020, 09:32:36 am »

Quote from: sparkus on May 01, 2020, 07:59:03 am

I'm still waiting for the context from Tesla ie. how to even be in that situation (several women being OK with sharing a sexual partner and being coerced into a sex act with a relative)

Just a hint or two, nothing incriminating

Ok both girls were parlour girls I had seen before on a few occasions, there was no coercion, every body was consenting
I had seen the elder girl (Aunt) many times at the parlour, she was a reg, her nieces both worked at the parlour and I had booked both of them individually them on occasion.
My reg, the Aunt, also saw me privately away from the parlour for longer bookings.

I had arranged a 2 girl private booking with my reg at a hotel and she was bringing another girl from the parlour, unrelated.
when she arrived she said the other girl cant make it so I have brought X with me, her niece
Both were comfortable in the situation, and eventually the niece went down on her Aunt, she was unsure at first but her Aunt said it would not be a problem for her

Aunt was 27 or 28 at the time and the niece was 21/22

we all had a lot of fun

sparkus · « **Reply #70 on:** May 01, 2020, 10:16:05 am »

Quote from: tesla on May 01, 2020, 09:32:36 am

Ok both girls were parlour girls I had seen before on a few occasions, there was no coercion, every body was consenting
I had seen the elder girl (Aunt) many times at the parlour, she was a reg, her nieces both worked at the parlour and I had booked both of them individually them on occasion.
My reg, the Aunt, also saw me privately away from the parlour for longer bookings.

I had arranged a 2 girl private booking with my reg at a hotel and she was bringing another girl from the parlour, unrelated.
when she arrived she said the other girl cant make it so I have brought X with me, her niece
Both were comfortable in the situation, and eventually the niece went down on her Aunt, she was unsure at first but her Aunt said it would not be a problem for her

Aunt was 27 or 28 at the time and the niece was 21/22

we all had a lot of fun

Understood

Context is all.

If the neice was a WG then she'd obviously be more suggestible towards such things as she was familiar with her WG aunt in a sexual context.

Lucky you! Great to see family businesses thriving and intergenerational learning of skills in the workplace.

houseboot · « **Reply #71 on:** May 01, 2020, 10:28:37 am »

Quote from: Doc Holliday on April 30, 2020, 12:40:01 pm

To my knowledge the law only refers to penetration by a male?

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"Rape

Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, it is an offence for any male to penetrate with his penis the vagina, anus or mouth of a female or male without their consent. A person found guilty of this offence could be sent to prison for life.

Assault by penetration

The Act makes it an offence for any male or female to penetrate the vagina or anus of another person without their consent. The offence is committed where the penetration is by a part of the body (for example, a finger) or anything else (for example, a bottle) for sexual intent.

Sexual assault

Section 3 of the Act makes it an offence for any male or female to intentionally touch another person sexually without his or her consent. A person found guilty of sexual assault could be sent to prison for a maximum of ten years."

Doc Holliday · « **Reply #72 on:** May 01, 2020, 01:54:37 pm »

Rape and sexual assault are separate offences with no direct relevance to Sections 64 and 65 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 which we are discussing. The difference relates to consent.

If I had sex with my mother and she did not consent it would be rape/sexual assault. I could also be charged under sections 64 relating to sex with a relative. If she consented it would instead fall under just section 64. However she would have also committed an offence under section 65 for actually giving that consent.

The 2003 Act replaced the 1956 Act which was much more straightforward and referred to 'Incest'. Interestingly it did not cover aunts, nieces etc. Incest by name was dropped as an offence in 2003.

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The Sentencing Council guidelines are a fine and maximum of 2 years imprisonment for offences under section 64 and 65. It appears prosecuted cases are rare? In many countries 'Incest' is not illegal.

sparkus · « **Reply #73 on:** May 01, 2020, 02:55:23 pm »

Quote from: Doc Holliday on May 01, 2020, 01:54:37 pm

Rape and sexual assault are separate offences with no direct relevance to Sections 64 and 65 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 which we are discussing. The difference relates to consent.

If I had sex with my mother and she did not consent it would be rape/sexual assault. I could also be charged under sections 64 relating to sex with a relative. If she consented it would instead fall under just section 64. However she would have also committed an offence under section 65 for actually giving that consent.

The 2003 Act replaced the 1956 Act which was much more straightforward and referred to 'Incest'. Interestingly it did not cover aunts, nieces etc. Incest by name was dropped as an offence in 2003.

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The Sentencing Council guidelines are a fine and maximum of 2 years imprisonment for offences under section 64 and 65. It appears prosecuted cases are rare? In many countries 'Incest' is not illegal.

The legislation on its own is only part of the story, the authorities would also need to heed CPS guidance on the matter to determine if it was in the 'public interest' to prosecute: External Link/Members Only (NB. this replaces The Rape Manual

)

There could be a range of reasons why such consenting offences wouldn't make it to court.

As I recall from the film Priest, there's some Papal edict on the matter? (other countries)

Doc Holliday · « **Reply #74 on:** May 01, 2020, 03:08:19 pm »

Quote from: sparkus on May 01, 2020, 02:55:23 pm

The legislation on its own is only part of the story, the authorities would also need to heed CPS guidance on the matter to determine if it was in the 'public interest' to prosecute: External Link/Members Only (NB. this replaces The Rape Manual )

There could be a range of reasons why such consenting offences wouldn't make it to court.

Absolutely. The legislation is there if needed. Initially the Police and then the CPS will decide whether or not to pursue it, taking into account many general factors as well as those pertaining to the individual case.
Of course those decisions in relation to Rape have been very controversial in recent times.

Marquis · « **Reply #75 on:** May 01, 2020, 03:38:58 pm »

Quote from: Marquis on April 30, 2020, 07:52:17 am

Me too. Really sad about Pippa, she was always very friendly.

There was a Real Punting video of them on the net a while back. Last time looked it had been removed at copyright owner's request though.

Just remembered this: IIRC Naomi and her Aunt Charlene used to do duos together. They both worked at a long defunct Manchester parlour, Bunty's, and later at Naomi's place after she went indie.

Charlene is still around External Link/Members Only

davidgood · « **Reply #76 on:** May 01, 2020, 04:51:11 pm »

I have never encountered a real mother and daughter but I did know a real aunt and niece combination.

Juicy Lucy, orginally from Hornchurch, was the first hostess of London Sex Parties, held at Club Lick. Her aunt is Sexy Carol from Romford who encouraged me to go to my first sex party. I seem to recall that they did used to offer duos at the time.

When Lucy was running the LSPs I pursuaded her to invite aunty Carol along and she became one of the regulars.

After LSPs and Lucy parted company she and Carol were working from a flat in Gidea Park where they held a few parties.

There was then some big bust up and they went their seperate ways.

I last saw Carol at another flat in Gidea Park in 2016. She still has an AW profile under the name Queen of Hearts but it is set to just distribute content so I think she has hung up her stockings.

On the other hand Lucy is back to work, after having a couple of kids. I had a very enjoyable session with her back in February at her flat in Brentwood.

Regards,

davidgood

Home Alone · « **Reply #77 on:** May 01, 2020, 06:06:49 pm »

Quote from: Marquis on May 01, 2020, 03:38:58 pm

Just remembered this: IIRC Naomi and her Aunt Charlene used to do duos together. They both worked at a long defunct Manchester parlour, Bunty's, and later at Naomi's place after she went indie.

Charlene is still around External Link/Members Only

They say you learn something new every day.

My new fact for today is that I never knew that Naomi, who I used to see in Preston around 2005 or '06 if memory serves, was related to Charlene's Therapy, as Charlene became after a spell as an Indie under the name of Charlene 10.

Both were very enjoyable SPs but I'm not sure I could have survived a MFF with them! Would have enjoyed trying, though!

threechilliman · « **Reply #78 on:** May 01, 2020, 06:40:41 pm »

Quote from: Home Alone on May 01, 2020, 06:06:49 pm

They say you learn something new every day.

My new fact for today is that I never knew that Naomi, who I used to see in Preston around 2005 or '06 if memory serves, was related to Charlene's Therapy, as Charlene became after a spell as an Indie under the name of Charlene 10.

Both were very enjoyable SPs but I'm not sure I could have survived a MFF with them! Would have enjoyed trying, though!

Can't believe it's 6 years since I saw her. I've just read my review. Cringeworthy.

Georgeuk2 · « **Reply #79 on:** May 01, 2020, 08:35:04 pm »

Quote from: ruggedscot on April 30, 2020, 01:16:07 pm

There is a possibility that the daughter will give a hj, it does happen but you need deep pockets.... been with both separately and together and never been disappointed. that old YMMV applies and your attitude and demeanor all go towards their decision. but by god its worth it.

Thank you mate. Did the daughter give you HJ when she did a 4 hander with her mother? I am so considering doing it when the lock down is over, but have to be honest that the religious stuff on her page is a bit frightening to say the least. But I’m sure that at some point my little head is going to take over my big head looking at the combo !!

bbwandy72 · « **Reply #80 on:** May 04, 2020, 12:10:17 am »

For BBW fans, Roobi Royal (External Link/Members Only) has been doing occasional duo meetings with her mother (External Link/Members Only).

RAJEC · « **Reply #81 on:** May 04, 2020, 08:45:32 am »

Quote from: bbwandy72 on May 04, 2020, 12:10:17 am

For BBW fans, Roobi Royal (External Link/Members Only) has been doing occasional duo meetings with her mother (External Link/Members Only).

I’ve seen roobi, but had no idea she whores with her mother!!

A Decent Fist · « **Reply #82 on:** May 04, 2020, 09:46:35 am »

Quote from: bbwandy72 on May 04, 2020, 12:10:17 am

For BBW fans, Roobi Royal (External Link/Members Only) has been doing occasional duo meetings with her mother (External Link/Members Only).

They have links to mum-and-daughter porn here: External Link/Members Only

For example: External Link/Members Only

If only they were 25 years younger. If only they were slim...

bbwandy72 · « **Reply #83 on:** May 04, 2020, 10:34:33 am »

Quote from: RAJEC on May 04, 2020, 08:45:32 am

I’ve seen roobi, but had no idea she whores with her mother!!

How was Roobi? She's been on my list for a while, but the barebacking put me off (even though I don't think she does any more).

RAJEC · « **Reply #84 on:** May 04, 2020, 10:54:26 am »

Quote from: bbwandy72 on May 04, 2020, 10:34:33 am

How was Roobi? She's been on my list for a while, but the barebacking put me off (even though I don't think she does any more).

I thought I’d reviewed her but obviously I haven’t!

It may have been two or so years ago.

I dropped in for a p and d - she was in the usual prossie hotel on tcr. Can’t remember the cost, perhaps £100

She sucked without which was good, I played with her cunt for a bit (fingers) and then lasted for a very short time in doggy

her arse is to behold.

I think it would be a retrospective positive

allroadboy · « **Reply #85 on:** May 04, 2020, 01:52:54 pm »

Quote from: Home Alone on May 01, 2020, 06:06:49 pm

They say you learn something new every day.

My new fact for today is that I never knew that Naomi, who I used to see in Preston around 2005 or '06 if memory serves, was related to Charlene's Therapy, as Charlene became after a spell as an Indie under the name of Charlene 10.

Both were very enjoyable SPs but I'm not sure I could have survived a MFF with them! Would have enjoyed trying, though!

Naomi’s mum (blonde massive tits) was her maid & although it never happened to me I believe she joined in sometimes ! So I guess her mum had been a provider in the very distant past, quiet a family business, I wonder when Naomi’s daughter (if she has one) will start working ...

Home Alone · « **Reply #86 on:** May 04, 2020, 02:02:54 pm »

Quote from: allroadboy on May 04, 2020, 01:52:54 pm

Naomi’s mum (blonde massive tits) was her maid & although it never happened to me I believe she joined in sometimes ! So I guess her mum had been a provider in the very distant past, quiet a family business, I wonder when Naomi’s daughter (if she has one) will start working ...

Now that would be one for the bucket list; shag three generations of SPs from the same family!

If Naomi has a daughter, being a SP must surely be in her genes!

[Insert your own joke here!

]

Marquis · « **Reply #87 on:** May 04, 2020, 03:40:24 pm »

Quote from: allroadboy on May 04, 2020, 01:52:54 pm

Naomi’s mum (blonde massive tits) was her maid & although it never happened to me I believe she joined in sometimes ! So I guess her mum had been a provider in the very distant past, quiet a family business, I wonder when Naomi’s daughter (if she has one) will start working ...

Naomi's mum joined in on at least one session I had. This goes back to 2006/2007, so my memory might have got this wrong, but I seem to remember the arrangement was that for £20, she came into the room for the last 10 minutes or so, got her tits out and gave a bit of OWO. Happy days.

I think Naomi was last active in 2016. She ticked my three main boxes: friendly, horny and sexy.

As to her daughter going in to the business, no idea. Quite a thought though.

allroadboy · « **Reply #88 on:** May 05, 2020, 10:55:17 am »

Lucky you, I fancied the mother more than the daughter, but how fucked up is seeing your mother sucking a guy off and for a mother seeing her daughter sucking a guy off

A Decent Fist · « **Reply #89 on:** May 05, 2020, 11:25:23 am »

Quote from: allroadboy on May 05, 2020, 10:55:17 am

Lucky you, I fancied the mother more than the daughter, but how fucked up is seeing your mother sucking a guy off and for a mother seeing her daughter sucking a guy off

It's deliciously fucked up. In my (unattainable) version of this fantasy I'm a regular client of the gorgeous 36-year-old mother and the very first client of her luscious 18-year-old daughter. I'm the practice-makes-perfect punter: "Now watch how I suck his cock, Petunia, and you try it for yourself."

Yes, yes, I am seriously fucked up, but I'm not the only one:

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Marquis · « **Reply #90 on:** May 05, 2020, 02:42:33 pm »

Quote from: allroadboy on May 05, 2020, 10:55:17 am

Lucky you, I fancied the mother more than the daughter, but how fucked up is seeing your mother sucking a guy off and for a mother seeing her daughter sucking a guy off

Well, the girls must have been comfortable with the idea, because they suggested it. Not only that, but they went on to make a video for Real Punting showing the same thing.

george r · « **Reply #91 on:** May 06, 2020, 10:12:14 am »

Quote from: Marquis on May 05, 2020, 02:42:33 pm

Well, the girls must have been comfortable with the idea, because they suggested it. Not only that, but they went on to make a video for Real Punting showing the same thing.

when i saw naomi and her mum pippa they had a camera set on a tripod to film it on if you wanted

i remember naomi had very long piss flaps !! and she said her mums were longer !!!!

Marquis · « **Reply #92 on:** May 06, 2020, 11:05:17 am »

Quote from: george r on May 06, 2020, 10:12:14 am

when i saw naomi and her mum pippa they had a camera set on a tripod to film it on if you wanted

i remember naomi had very long piss flaps !! and she said her mums were longer !!!!

Nothing wrong with your memory. Hell they were a sight.