The NHS and PPE

[winkywanky]

Dept of Health didn't want the Turkey PPE shipment publicised - they were overruled by Number 10 (i.e. Scummings) as they wanted some good news to throw out as the press conference of the day. Cue the following week of fuck ups, eventual delivery of a smaller than requested shipment and now finding the important stuff was shite they had bought unseen.

Assuming the gowns were needed (and they were/are) there is a big hole in the supply.

This is an apocalyptic level of ineptitude.

Perhaps it's just another good reason why Turkey were never let into the EU 

I wouldn't trust Erdogan as far as I could throw him.

[daviemac]

They've opened a factory in Cramlington (Northumberland) to manufacture gowns, with "The mixture of volunteers and paid workers aim to produce around 6,000 gowns a week."

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[winkywanky]

 

It's a start...eventually 

[hullad]

What does everyone expect from a bunch of chancers who have been winging it since day one. There figures are produced by Pritti Patel and to all but the sycophants are clearly wrong.

They lied about it being ordered, lied about its delivery date then kept they where defective for weeks.

How many more people have to die because of there inability to operate as a credible, caring and competent government serving it's people.

[Markus]

Dept of Health didn't want the Turkey PPE shipment publicised - they were overruled by Number 10 (i.e. Scummings) as they wanted some good news to throw out as the press conference of the day. Cue the following week of fuck ups, eventual delivery of a smaller than requested shipment and now finding the important stuff was shite they had bought unseen.

Assuming the gowns were needed (and they were/are) there is a big hole in the supply.

This is an apocalyptic level of ineptitude.

Well there have been fuck-ups all round. The gowns weren't fluid repellent therefore not suitable for the NHS.  Not rocket science. You buy from a manufacturer you ask from a certificate of conformity with EN 13795:2019.  Same thing when it comes to 3 ply non woven masks - fluid repellent with the required EN numbers.  Bunch of morons sitting in government.  As to buying from China, again very easy. Similar process to our company - have a QC person sitting there handling the finance, shipping date & quality.  Yes you pay around 10% more for someone to handle this but at least when the goods land here, it has met the required standards and not a sub-standard product. 

Re the gowns, it is pretty obvious the cover-up.  They didn't have or couldn't obtain the goods therefore they changed their guidance from gowns to aprons. It was exposed by Panorama. 

[Beamer]

What does everyone expect from a bunch of chancers who have been winging it since day one. There figures are produced by Pritti Patel and to all but the sycophants are clearly wrong.

They lied about it being ordered, lied about its delivery date then kept they where defective for weeks.

How many more people have to die because of there inability to operate as a credible, caring and competent government serving it's people.

This woman is a liability along with Hancock.  They should be removed from any decision making, but I suspect that any changes won't be made until the crisis is over.

[Blackpool Rock]

Well there have been fuck-ups all round. The gowns weren't fluid repellent therefore not suitable for the NHS.  Not rocket science. You buy from a manufacturer you ask from a certificate of conformity with EN 13795:2019.  Same thing when it comes to 3 ply non woven masks - fluid repellent with the required EN numbers.  Bunch of morons sitting in government.  As to buying from China, again very easy. Similar process to our company - have a QC person sitting there handling the finance, shipping date & quality.  Yes you pay around 10% more for someone to handle this but at least when the goods land here, it has met the required standards and not a sub-standard product. 

Re the gowns, it is pretty obvious the cover-up.  They didn't have or couldn't obtain the goods therefore they changed their guidance from gowns to aprons. It was exposed by Panorama.

Agree with having people on the ground etc but regarding certification i've also dealt with Chinese companies and asked if they comply with XYZ regulations only to get a reply back asking me to state what I wanted the paperwork to say and they would write one 

There are a lot of really good Chinese companies out there but there's also an awful lot of shit ones and you need to weed them out, I won't go into some of the horror stories that i've heard from people who have done factory visits / audits

[mh]

Agree with having people on the ground etc but regarding certification i've also dealt with Chinese companies and asked if they comply with XYZ regulations only to get a reply back asking me to state what I wanted the paperwork to say and they would write one 

There are a lot of really good Chinese companies out there but there's also an awful lot of shit ones and you need to weed them out, I won't go into some of the horror stories that i've heard from people who have done factory visits / audits

Been there, seen and done that. Sometimes it is to the buyer's benefit where the end customer is just demanding paper for the sake of it (sodding RoHS/REACH/Conflict Mineral regs) but never in anything safety critical.

[GreyDave]

Dept of Health didn't want the Turkey PPE shipment publicised - they were overruled by Number 10 (i.e. Scummings) as they wanted some good news to throw out as the press conference of the day. Cue the following week of fuck ups, eventual delivery of a smaller than requested shipment and now finding the important stuff was shite they had bought unseen.

Assuming the gowns were needed (and they were/are) there is a big hole in the supply.

This is an apocalyptic level of ineptitude.

  Manufacturing of basic items needs to be kept here and manufacters need to be paid uk prices if they employ UK residents not ship in like farmers have done cheap  pickers ...Any govenment in power needs this sort of house keeping ..Ok they managed it with the temperory Nightingale wards ..Maybe subsidis like the Farmers get for British Undies  Jeans and shirts some thing like the utilty standard of the 1940`s

[mh]

manufacters need to be paid uk prices if they employ UK residents not ship in like farmers have done cheap  pickers

Sorry, but I just had a word with Capitalism and it says no. 

[daviemac]

It's a start...eventually 

Barbour of South Shields turned to producing PPE in early April, making between 1000 and 1500 per day and are doing twice daily deliveries.   A local engineering firm have designed and donated specialist machinery to help.

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Don't know what's happening in other parts of the country though.

[Blackpool Rock]

Barbour of South Shields turned to producing PPE in early April, making between 1000 and 1500 per day and are doing twice daily deliveries.   A local engineering firm have designed and donated specialist machinery to help.

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Don't know what's happening in other parts of the country though.

In Yorkshire there using a couple of bin bags with holes cut in for the head; arms and legs then holding it together with elastic bands and sticky tape, apparently it's cheaper 

[catweazle]

Barbour of South Shields turned to producing PPE in early April, making between 1000 and 1500 per day and are doing twice daily deliveries.   A local engineering firm have designed and donated specialist machinery to help.

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Don't know what's happening in other parts of the country though.

I'm surprised chavs haven't started wearing it, to beat lockdown

[jobospiceku]

I'm surprised chavs haven't started wearing it, to beat lockdown

 

[snaitram99]

Yeah I heard that on the news and thought "why is there VAT on PPE anyway"
When originally introduced VAT or Value added tax was only supposed to be applied to luxury goods

No this is incorrect. It was originally intended by its designers to apply to everything so that it would not cause economic imbalances purely from the incidence of taxation. This never completely happened as varying rates incl. zero were applied. It was the previous purchase tax regime that sometimes targeted luxury goods e.g. washing machines (which were then regarded as a luxury!)

[GreyDave]

I'm surprised chavs haven't started wearing it, to beat lockdown

I think thats Burrberry mate and I think the Chinese own them

[GreyDave]

Sorry, but I just had a word with Capitalism and it says no. 

MH : Some things are being made and paid justly here as the only thing some companies in the UK can compete on is Integratety (cant spell it )

Do you want to fly in a R-R, Pratt whittney, GEC , Snecma engined powered plane or Chinese or Tupolov ( coop do good funeral coverplans and Urns  ...keeps popin up on face book )

[winkywanky]

Barbour of South Shields turned to producing PPE in early April, making between 1000 and 1500 per day and are doing twice daily deliveries.   A local engineering firm have designed and donated specialist machinery to help.

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Don't know what's happening in other parts of the country though.

PPE By Royal Appointment 

[Markus]

Agree with having people on the ground etc but regarding certification i've also dealt with Chinese companies and asked if they comply with XYZ regulations only to get a reply back asking me to state what I wanted the paperwork to say and they would write one 

There are a lot of really good Chinese companies out there but there's also an awful lot of shit ones and you need to weed them out, I won't go into some of the horror stories that i've heard from people who have done factory visits / audits

I’ve yet to experience that thankfully. The difference like most things in life is price, those made by a manufacturer according to EN charge more whether or not there is a pandemic.  If you want accreditation for product or services then that will naturally incur additional cost.   I don’t agree with the assumption we can make it here cheaply without massive subsidies. Those that are doing it now won’t be interested when normal life resumes.  I’m of the belief we should outsource factories to European countries like we do with a lot of automotive factories. Labour & running costs are both cheaper, easier to import raw material and no issue to get it here. 

[Wadebridge]

Stephen Powis, one of the NHS chiefs at Friday 8th May's 6pm Downing Street press conference, answers Channel 4 political correspondent Liz Bates' questions as to why Public Health England won't release (make public) their own test results on out-of-date PPE with "um ... err ... err ... um... um... err... um".

Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) Tweeted:
"It's possibly the case that they may not be able to get an immediate test on that day, but they should be able to get one quickly."
The Environment Secretary responds to Liz Bates' question on why some people in care homes are being told no coronavirus tests are available today External Link/Members Only External Link/Members Only