The worst leader of a major nation.... ever!

[winkywanky]

I think if you're talking about someone who's not a UKP member it's allowed, although to be honest, I wouldn't be 100% sure Trump isn't a member here under an assumed name  .

[hornyguylondon]

I think if you're talking about someone who's not a UKP member it's allowed, although to be honest, I wouldn't be 100% sure Trump isn't a member here under an assumed name  .

No chance he's always on Twatter...ooops 

[winkywanky]

He likes to talk shit on Twitter, and then he comes on here to wank off over a couple of Tranny reviews 

That's his perfect day  .

[Beamer]

You understand that this is a discussion board? You resort to juvenile insults very quickly.

If you have something to contribute to the topic why don't you post it rather than troll?

[willie loman]

If you have something to contribute to the topic why don't you post it rather than troll?

You do seem to fall  out with rather a lot of folk. Suggest you read a bit of American history before making sweeping statements about Trump. America has produced a fair few dud presidents, at least Trump is not using office to line his pockets.

[David1970]

America has produced a fair few dud presidents, at least Trump is not using office to line his pockets.

I think you will find out he diverted US Airforce personal transferring through Prestwick Airport to stay at his Turnberry Hotel. He also tried to get the G7 meeting held at his resort near Miami, but had to back down due to the out cry.
None of this was for free, more money for the Trump organisation.
Don’t forget about his 2 sons travelling around the world, using their daddies name when doing business for the Trump organisation.

[Beamer]

You do seem to fall  out with rather a lot of folk. Suggest you read a bit of American history before making sweeping statements about Trump. America has produced a fair few dud presidents, at least Trump is not using office to line his pockets.

More stalking/trolling.
Also seems your facts on American history are way off the mark as well.  See reply #55.
Why not leave it here?

[willie loman]

I think you will find out he diverted US Airforce personal transferring through Prestwick Airport to stay at his Turnberry Hotel. He also tried to get the G7 meeting held at his resort near Miami, but had to back down due to the out cry.
None of this was for free, more money for the Trump organisation.
Don’t forget about his 2 sons travelling around the world, using their daddies name when doing business for the Trump organisation.

Fair enough, though by the standards of American presidents , modest , I believe he doesn't take his salary, and to my knowledge he hasn't taken his country in to any unwinnable wars.

[Beamer]

More stalking/trolling.
Also seems your facts on American history are way off the mark as well.  See reply #55.
Why not leave it here?
Life is too short

[willie loman]

More stalking/trolling.
Also seems your facts on American history are way off the mark as well.  See reply #55.
Why not leave it here?

You use the troll word more than any poster on here, you don't seem to understand how debate and discussion works, mere assertion without knowledge is just not sufficient, you know virtually zero about American history, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with that, but it should make you  pause before starting threads on the subject.

[Beamer]

You use the troll word more than any poster on here, you don't seem to understand how debate and discussion works, mere assertion without knowledge is just not sufficient, you know virtually zero about American history, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with that, but it should make you  pause before starting threads on the subject.

So you don't want to leave it? Shame as it's going nowhere, a bit like your comments on another thread.
FWIW How do you know what I know of American history? 

[scutty brown]

" The worst leader of a major nation.... ever!"

Trump isn't in the same league of "worst" as Stalin or Mao
Just counting the numbers of deaths due to incompetent fiscal policies and resultant collapse of food production should show you that Trump isn't in the same league of insanity

[scutty brown]

You do seem to fall  out with rather a lot of folk. Suggest you read a bit of American history before making sweeping statements about Trump. America has produced a fair few dud presidents, at least Trump is not using office to line his pockets.

No he doesn't line his pockets, he fills them with help from the Russians.
Trump makes the Cambridge spy ring look like amateurs

[Beamer]

" The worst leader of a major nation.... ever!"

Trump isn't in the same league of "worst" as Stalin or Mao
Just counting the numbers of deaths due to incompetent fiscal policies and resultant collapse of food production should show you that Trump isn't in the same league of insanity

Already covered in post #8 & #33

[David1970]

Fair enough, though by the standards of American presidents , modest

What did George W Bush or Obama get up to financial?

[willie loman]

So you don't want to leave it? Shame as it's going nowhere, a bit like your comments on another thread.
FWIW How do you know what I know of American history?

If you knew anything much about American history, you would know that trump isn't  anywhere near the top, as far as bad presidents go.

[Beamer]

If you knew anything much about American history, you would know that trump isn't  anywhere near the top, as far as bad presidents go.

So we beg to differ. Who in your opinion was worse?....and why?

[willie loman]

What did George W Bush or Obama get up to financial?

I  never referred to them, I m talking about the presidents since Washington, plenty of vulgarity and larceny, over the years, centuries. I am not a trump supporter.

[willie loman]

So we beg to differ. Who in your opinion was worse?....and why?

I am pretty sure without using google,you could hardly name an American president, more than one American president owned slaves, is that bad enough for you?

[The High Sparrow]

I'm not protecting Trump, but if the previous administration were that good why did they vote them out and give a huge vote for Trump ?

May i point out that fewer people voted for Trump than Clinton. But your point still stands.

[David1970]

I  never referred to them, I m talking about the presidents since Washington, plenty of vulgarity and larceny, over the years, centuries. I am not a trump supporter.

So neither of them were not financial crooks, which president were except Trump?

[David1970]

May i point out that fewer people voted for Trump than Clinton. But your point still stands.

Please check reply #34, you are correct he lost the popular vote but Hornylondonguy has no interest in facts, makes statements, but can’t back them up

[hornyguylondon]

May i point out that fewer people voted for Trump than Clinton. But your point still stands.

In the context of the discussion, I meant the election but I do understand why people want to take a positive out of winning the popular vote 

[hornyguylondon]

Please check reply #34, you are correct he lost the popular vote but Hornylondonguy has no interest in facts, makes statements, but can’t back them up

Lets be adults - I meant Trump won the election and the Democratic party lost so lets leave it at that 

[David1970]

I'm not protecting Trump, but if the previous administration were that good why did they vote them out and give a huge vote for Trump ?

The previous administration ( the Obama administration ) who never stood for election so were not voted out.
Trump did not win by a huge vote he got less votes than Clinton
Read your own post above and accept the facts and act like an adult
 

[willie loman]

So neither of them were not financial crooks, which president were except Trump?

Your double negative makes your point difficult to understand, but anyway few people view Trump as a financial crook, but feel free to believe that to be the case. Historically I think Jackson, and Grant were viewed as pretty venal, historically the American presidency was much more of a kleptocracy than say Britain. Few incidentally would argue that one of Americas biggest crooks was jfks father, a truly vile man, who bought the presidency for his son, jfk though an amiable guy,  was a catastrophe as a president, something not grasped at the time, but understood since.

[David1970]

Your double negative makes your point difficult to understand, but anyway few people view Trump as a financial crook, but feel free to believe that to be the case. Historically I think Jackson, and Grant were viewed as pretty venal, historically the American presidency was much more of a kleptocracy than say Britain. Few incidentally would argue that one of Americas biggest crooks was jfks father, a truly vile man, who bought the presidency for his son, jfk though an amiable guy,  was a catastrophe as a president, something not grasped at the time, but understood since.

Totally agree with JFKs father, Nazi appeaser and close friend of the Mafia.
Jackson was not an nice man, just look at his treatment of native Americans
Grant was a very heavy drinker, not very sober.
You missed Nixon, where to start with that low life, Cambodia, Watergate, Committee on unAmerican activity’s
But still waiting for you to name any who were financial crooked like Trump

[ulstersubbie]

You missed Nixon, where to start with that low life, Cambodia, Watergate, Committee on unAmerican activity’s

Nixon took the troops out of Vietnam, the USA actually prospered under his presidency, in economic terms. Admittedly Watergate was his undoing and rightly so but compared to the peanut farmer Jimmy Carter (elected 1976), the man was very far from being the worst of American leaders.

[fudi_maar]

Hilarious - the OP clearly used click-baiting with the title "The worst leader of a major nation.... ever!" just so that he could off-load all his frustrations on Trump.

I hope he feels better now.

Someone far more knowledgeable gave a list of Stalin, Mao, Hitler etc etc. I've personally met people who have suffered at the hands of Pol Pot - this guy killed 25% of his own population in a crazy dream to create a Utopion communist society. He banned money, killed teachers, lawyers, doctors, academics and anyone educated so they wouldn't be a threat.

[David1970]

If you knew anything much about American history, you would know that trump isn't  anywhere near the top, as far as bad presidents go.

Forgot to mention that Trump used a charity money for his own benefit when running for president.

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[David1970]

Nixon took the troops out of Vietnam, the USA actually prospered under his presidency, in economic terms. Admittedly Watergate was his undoing and rightly so but compared to the peanut farmer Jimmy Carter (elected 1976), the man was very far from being the worst of American leaders.

The discussion was about president who were as financially as crooked as Trump, 2 president were mention who were bad presidents but not financially crooked. I brought up Nixon as he was a nasty character but not financially crooked.
He ruined people’s life’s when he was a leading light on the Committee on unAmerican Activity’s.
He dropped  more bombs on neutral Cambodia than was dropped during the whole of the 2nd World War.
His people undermined democracy when the broke into the Watergate building.

[ulstersubbie]

 I've personally met people who have suffered at the hands of Pol Pot - this guy killed 25% of his own population in a crazy dream to create a Utopion communist society. He banned money, killed teachers, lawyers, doctors, academics and anyone educated so they wouldn't be a threat.

The real tragedy is that a lot of misguided leftists in the West regarded him as a "revolutionary" hero, that's the problem with university, not enough doctors/scientists, but c**ts with degrees in useless subjects spouting nonsense.

[David1970]

The real tragedy is that a lot of misguided leftists in the West regarded him as a "revolutionary" hero, that's the problem with university, not enough doctors/scientists, but c**ts with degrees in useless subjects spouting nonsense.

Do you have any examples of anyone regarding him as a hero lately?

[ulstersubbie]

Do you have any examples of anyone regarding him as a hero lately?

No, so your point being what?   

[David1970]

No, so your point being what?   

You claim people think he is a hero but can’t back it up, can I suggest you are making up your rant.

[ulstersubbie]

The discussion was about president who were as financially as crooked as Trump, 2 president were mention who were bad presidents but not financially crooked. I brought up Nixon as he was a nasty character but not financially crooked.

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Politicians are crooked to a degree, irrespective of ideology. Your naivety surprises me, especially in this day and age, never mind the sheeple will always believe the hype.

[ulstersubbie]

You claim people think he is a hero but can’t back it up, can I suggest you are making up your rant.

Are you a bit thick geezer!

I said in the past, not the present. The Khmer Rouge regime was deposed in 1979, largely thanks to the invading Vietnamese army. Stop trolling.

[king tarzan]

I was watching Young Turks the other day and according to them it is the leader of Turkmenistan.. he is apparently the worst..

[jeanphillipe]

What has trump contrubitued of use to the world so far?

He took out BagDaddy the ISIS leader, with his bare hands he did!

Say who was ultimately responsible for that kill if you like but it comes under his tenure, and so just as obama claimed bin ladens (imaginary) scalp; Bagdady will be a win for the Trump administration

[willie loman]

Totally agree with JFKs father, Nazi appeaser and close friend of the Mafia.
Jackson was not an nice man, just look at his treatment of native Americans
Grant was a very heavy drinker, not very sober.
You missed Nixon, where to start with that low life, Cambodia, Watergate, Committee on unAmerican activity’s
But still waiting for you to name any who were financial crooked like Trump

I am happy to accept that I am wrong,  my knowledge of American history is based on reading gore vidals historical novels.

[King Nuts]

May i point out that fewer people voted for Trump than Clinton. But your point still stands.

In 2016, Trunp got 62.9 million votes, Hillary Clinton got 65.8 million. Trump won.

In 2000, Dubya got 50.4 million, Gore got 50.9 million. Dubya won.

Shit happens.

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[David1970]

Are you a bit thick geezer!

I said in the past, not the present. The Khmer Rouge regime was deposed in 1979, largely thanks to the invading Vietnamese army. Stop trolling.

Don’t know who this “geezer” is, I have visited Giza in Egypt

The Khmer Rouge carried on fighting from bases in Thailand after 1979 with the help of China and the UK for years.

[David1970]

I am happy to accept that I am wrong,  my knowledge of American history is based on reading gore vidals historical novels.

You are a gentleman sir

[King Nuts]

What has trump contrubitued of use to the world so far?

He has given America confidence.

But the world is full of ingrained Trump haters. He'll never do anything right, and there's little point in even trying to use reasoned debate. Most of the media's been in a permanent sulk since 2016. Factions of the US government have had a go at impeachment. That went nowhere. Then there's the investigation into Russian conspiracy, and that went nowhere too. They came up with fuck-all.

I think we can all agree in total confidence, that the Federal Government and certain politicians have done everything in their power to try and unseat him. And he's still there.

And there's a very large chunk of Brits who just hate America anyway. Words like 'racist', 'fascist', 'stupid' and so on are thrown around indiscriminately. It's really very tedious, and betrays a negligible understanding of the nation that amongst all, in historical, commercial and cultural terms, we are closest to.

Trump isn't America. It's his turn as President and in a bit, it'll be someone else's turn. In the main, and some screw-ups aside, I think he's making a decent fist of it. It was Obama's gig for eight years, and other than being telegenic and an obviously charming and personable guy, did Baz actually achieve anything at all? Likewise with Kennedy.

Roosevelt and Reagan. Best presidents of the 20th century. IMHO.

[David1970]

Factions of the US government have had a go at impeachment. That went nowhere. Then there's the investigation into Russian conspiracy, and that went nowhere too.

The impeachment was not proved (needs a 2/3 majority) by the US Senate who are the judge and jury in impeachment. The Republican majority in the Senate refused to listen to or review any evidence or hear from any wittiness. How can you have a fair trial when no evidence or wittiness is called just speeches form the accused supports who are the jury and judges? It was a whitewash.

The investigation into the Russians getting Trump elected was stopped when Trump sack the head of the FBI, who was investigating him. I have never heard of a someone being investing for a crime being allowed to sack the chief policeman investigating them.

[Beamer]

The impeachment was not proved (needs a 2/3 majority) by the US Senate who are the judge and jury in impeachment. The Republican majority in the Senate refused to listen to or review any evidence or hear from any wittiness. How can you have a fair trial when no evidence or wittiness is called just speeches form the accused supports who are the jury and judges? It was a whitewash.

The investigation into the Russians getting Trump elected was stopped when Trump sack the head of the FBI, who was investigating him. I have never heard of a someone being investing for a crime being allowed to sack the chief policeman investigating them.

Whilst Trump has not made the horrendous history of other leaders mentioned in various posts, your comment highlights the way issues are not allowed to be investigated in what many of us would see as a normal route to the truth.

[mh]

He's got a fit wife and shagged a porn star so he must be doing something right. I gues having a big wad of cash helps.

The money helps, but someone like Trump would have fucked many, many women even if he were poor. He'd just be in prison for it. 

[threechilliman]

He has given America confidence.

Have you been to the US recently? Confidence isn't a word I'd have used to descibe them now, quite the reverse in fact. I was shocked by a number of things.

[David1970]

It was Obama's gig for eight years, and other than being telegenic and an obviously charming and personable guy, did Baz actually achieve anything at all? Likewise with Kennedy.

If you look at all the key economic indicators when Obama left office they were going up, they were still going up when Trump to office. Trump tried to to credit for this, I believe it’s called “fake news” on Trumps behalf.
Trumps did achieve a large rise in the stock market by giving large tax cuts to large cooperations who were tax dodging all ready, that large rise has now disappeared?

King Nut got agree Kennedy did not achieve much.

[King Nuts]

Have you been to the US recently? Confidence isn't a word I'd have used to descibe them now, quite the reverse in fact. I was shocked by a number of things.

I go about five or six times a year. Mostly to Los Angeles where it's business, for me. Since 2016 I've also been to Florida, New York and Texas.

It's a nation of fifty-odd states and 300+ million people. 'Confidence' isn't a thing you can hold in your hand. Some feel it, some don't.