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Offline Beamer

I cannot recognise any beneficial change that Trump has made as leader of the  American nation.
His never ending ramblings and calling of anything slightly critical as "fake news" are legend.
He inherited most of his wealth to become the first billionaire president.
His net worth, however, is not precisely known because the Trump Organisation is a privately held business.
He lies about many things, not least his wealth.
Boasting widely about having a net worth of more than US$10 billion, Forbes listed Trump's 2018 net worth at $3.1 billion and even lower at $2.1 billion in 2020.
Trump has made many false or misleading statements during his campaign and presidency. The statements have been documented by fact-checkers, and the media have widely described the phenomenon as unprecedented in American politics.
Many of his comments and actions have been characterised as racially charged or racist.
His ramblings about Muslims, his avoidance of military service and the recent impeachment saga clarifies that he is the poorest quality and the lowest standard of President the Americans have put into office. Ever!
It remains to be seen if he will be around for another 4 years.
Surprise, surprise I for one hope he isn't, as I cannot think of one positive contribution, however small he has made for America's Joe Public.
I am sure that 99.9% will agree with me.

 

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I am sure that 99.9% will agree with me.

 
:crazy: :wacko: Very good approval rating by joe public in the US? I think your confidence exceeds your knowledge  :hi:

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:crazy: :wacko: Very good approval rating by joe public in the US? I think your confidence exceeds your knowledge  :hi:

Rating based on what published facts?
Explain your  knowledge statement plz
Three reviews in 4 years doesn't seem to indicate a massive contribution???
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Rating based on what published facts?
Explain your  knowledge statement plz
Three reviews in 4 years doesn't seem to indicate a massive contribution???

The latest Gallup poll has him with a 60% approval rating for his handling of the crisis.
With the media at 44% who spend their time slamming him.

But nothing surprises me with the stupidity of America


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It remains to be seen if he will be around for another 4 years.
 

It’s pretty much a done deal, he’s in for the next 4. Be stupid to bet against DT at this stage.

Of the three world leaders we should have our eyes on right now, in at least 2nd place, is the general secretary of the communist party with ‘just 80,000 Covid cases’.......president Xi.
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Offline Beamer

It’s pretty much a done deal, he’s in for the next 4. Be stupid to bet against DT at this stage.   I do hope you are wrong, but I understand it's the land of make believe!

Of the three world leaders we should have our eyes on right now, in at least 2nd place, is the general secretary of the communist party with ‘just 80,000 Covid cases’.......president Xi.  Agreed
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Offline King Nuts

The mainstream media (I liked it when it was called the Mass Media) have had it in for Trump since day one. Debate is therefore mostly futile, as most people have an ingrained opinion of him that's not going to change.


Anyway, if we're talking worst leader ever, there are plenty who deserve that title.

At number one, it has to Stalin. Killed untold millions of his own people. Cunt.

Mao. Close behind.

Hitler. Nothing more to be said.

Mussolini. No, he didn't make the trains run on time. Vain and stupid. Backed the wrong horse with Hitler, A.

Franco. Kept a now-modern nation from modernising. Democracy only came in after he died.

Pinochet. Tens of thousands killed or 'disappeared'.

Castro. Set up a one-party, prison state. Mass imprisonment of opponents. Kept citizens in abject poverty.


It's not a short list.


Offline Beamer

The mainstream media (I liked it when it was called the Mass Media) have had it in for Trump since day one. Debate is therefore mostly futile, as most people have an ingrained opinion of him that's not going to change.


Anyway, if we're talking worst leader ever, there are plenty who deserve that title.

At number one, it has to Stalin. Killed untold millions of his own people. Cunt.

Mao. Close behind.

Hitler. Nothing more to be said.

Mussolini. No, he didn't make the trains run on time. Vain and stupid. Backed the wrong horse with Hitler, A.

Franco. Kept a now-modern nation from modernising. Democracy only came in after he died.

Pinochet. Tens of thousands killed or 'disappeared'.

Castro. Set up a one-party, prison state. Mass imprisonment of opponents. Kept citizens in abject poverty.


It's not a short list.

Interesting list - don't disagree that they were all extremely evil men. ......All deserve their reputation and place in history.
But I don't agree with you on the media's reaction to Trump. IMO his own original  rhetoric  played into the hands of the media. Only yesterday he didn't like a question from a journalist and his response was to call her employer's purveyors of "fake news".


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Interesting list - don't disagree that they were all extremely evil men. ......All deserve their reputation and place in history.
But I don't agree with you on the media's reaction to Trump. IMO his own original  rhetoric  played into the hands of the media. Only yesterday he didn't like a question from a journalist and his response was to call her employer's purveyors of "fake news".

Which unfortunately for the media approval ratings is what the Americans want him to do.

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Only yesterday he didn't like a question from a journalist and his response was to call her employer's purveyors of "fake news".

I didn't see that, but if he was referring to CNN, he had a point.

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The mainstream media (I liked it when it was called the Mass Media) have had it in for Trump since day one. Debate is therefore mostly futile, as most people have an ingrained opinion of him that's not going to change.


Anyway, if we're talking worst leader ever, there are plenty who deserve that title.

At number one, it has to Stalin. Killed untold millions of his own people. Cunt.

Mao. Close behind.

Hitler. Nothing more to be said.

Mussolini. No, he didn't make the trains run on time. Vain and stupid. Backed the wrong horse with Hitler, A.

Franco. Kept a now-modern nation from modernising. Democracy only came in after he died.

Pinochet. Tens of thousands killed or 'disappeared'.

Castro. Set up a one-party, prison state. Mass imprisonment of opponents. Kept citizens in abject poverty.


It's not a short list.

That question that is sometimes asked in interviews.

"Name three individuals you would love to invite for dinner, dead or alive"

I bet you wish you could invite them all with your finest cutlery on show.

I have a feeling you would be in your element ... totally besides yourself with joy!
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Offline David1970

I didn't see that, but if he was referring to CNN, he had a point.

I believe it was NBC, why would he have a point with CNN?

Offline winkywanky

I cannot recognise any beneficial change that Trump has made as leader of the  American nation.
His never ending ramblings and calling of anything slightly critical as "fake news" are legend.
He inherited most of his wealth to become the first billionaire president.
His net worth, however, is not precisely known because the Trump Organisation is a privately held business.
He lies about many things, not least his wealth.
Boasting widely about having a net worth of more than US$10 billion, Forbes listed Trump's 2018 net worth at $3.1 billion and even lower at $2.1 billion in 2020.
Trump has made many false or misleading statements during his campaign and presidency. The statements have been documented by fact-checkers, and the media have widely described the phenomenon as unprecedented in American politics.
Many of his comments and actions have been characterised as racially charged or racist.
His ramblings about Muslims, his avoidance of military service and the recent impeachment saga clarifies that he is the poorest quality and the lowest standard of President the Americans have put into office. Ever!
It remains to be seen if he will be around for another 4 years.
Surprise, surprise I for one hope he isn't, as I cannot think of one positive contribution, however small he has made for America's Joe Public.
I am sure that 99.9% will agree with me.


You completely forgot his gross hypocrisy, especially over his disgraceful treatment of Str. John Cain who became a Korean POW, while almost simultaneously Trump was dodging the Draft.

The guy is a complete cunt of the highest order, but let's not forget the USA voted him in as President, and probably will do again.

So perhaps don't assume that 99.9% will agree with you, even on this side of the Pond  ;).

Worth noting though, that all of this doesn't necessarily mean he won't be good for America (and to a much lesser extent, possibly even the rest of the World). He's certainly shaken things up, that's for sure.

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Rating based on what published facts?
Explain your  knowledge statement plz
Three reviews in 4 years doesn't seem to indicate a massive contribution???
Oooooh wow, you've got a big contribution....I give way to your superior contribution... your superior knowledge of all things.... your superior ego.... Have I missed anything, please tell.
 :wacko:

Offline Beamer

Oooooh wow, you've got a big contribution....I give way to your superior contribution... your superior knowledge of all things.... your superior ego.... Have I missed anything, please tell.
 :wacko:

Twat 1st Class.

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You completely forgot his gross hypocrisy, especially over his disgraceful treatment of Str. John Cain who became a Korean POW, while almost simultaneously Trump was dodging the Draft.

The guy is a complete cunt of the highest order, but let's not forget the USA voted him in as President, and probably will do


Had forgotten about John Cain. Other more recent firings have also been all about his ego.

Offline mr.bluesky

The mainstream media (I liked it when it was called the Mass Media) have had it in for Trump since day one. Debate is therefore mostly futile, as most people have an ingrained opinion of him that's not going to change.


Anyway, if we're talking worst leader ever, there are plenty who deserve that title.

At number one, it has to Stalin. Killed untold millions of his own people. Cunt.

Mao. Close behind.

Hitler. Nothing more to be said.

Mussolini. No, he didn't make the trains run on time. Vain and stupid. Backed the wrong horse with Hitler, A.

Franco. Kept a now-modern nation from modernising. Democracy only came in after he died.

Pinochet. Tens of thousands killed or 'disappeared'.

Castro. Set up a one-party, prison state. Mass imprisonment of opponents. Kept citizens in abject poverty.


It's not a short list.

Dont forget little rocket man in North Korea. :hi:

Offline David1970

:crazy: :wacko: Very good approval rating by joe public in the US? I think your confidence exceeds your knowledge  :hi:

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Latest poll amount of American registered voters has Trump at 42%.
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Dont forget little rocket man in North Korea. :hi:

Good call but I think it would have been Jeremy Corbin if anyone would have put him in power  :scare:

Offline David1970

The mainstream media (I liked it when it was called the Mass Media) have had it in for Trump since day one. Debate is therefore mostly futile, as most people have an ingrained opinion of him that's not going to change.


Anyway, if we're talking worst leader ever, there are plenty who deserve that title.

At number one, it has to Stalin. Killed untold millions of his own people. Cunt.

Mao. Close behind.

Hitler. Nothing more to be said.

Mussolini. No, he didn't make the trains run on time. Vain and stupid. Backed the wrong horse with Hitler, A.

Franco. Kept a now-modern nation from modernising. Democracy only came in after he died.

Pinochet. Tens of thousands killed or 'disappeared'.

Castro. Set up a one-party, prison state. Mass imprisonment of opponents. Kept citizens in abject poverty.


It's not a short list.

Mao killed more than Stalin, both mass murders.

Cuba is in poverty due to the US embargo which is almost 60 years old

Pinochet was Mrs Thatchers friend, remember how she rode to the rescue when justice was going to catch with him.

You missed out Pol Pot and year zero

Any of the leaders of North Korea


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Latest poll amount of American registered voters has Trump at 42%.

Saw Michael Portilo give a talk on trains ( my vice  :D) some body asked him about Trump months before he was selected ....

"He will win people love him and those that he deals with like him even our bus driver liked him and he was a Hispanic..we are not Americans and cant judge him "

Sure enough he won and we still cant quite get why here in UK but its he Republic adminastration not just Trump it is not just one guy ...if we think that we are the fools :hi:

I think the phrase a working man but with a Billioanares pay check sums him up he is able to get though in straight words to many whilst I liked Obama he was just a bit to out of touch with  Americans that grafted and wanted to get on..the mistake of the health care for him was he forgot that others would and did explot it causing the non payment and high costs it was never going to be like the NHS the 52 stats are just too diverse and big ...Shame worst leader nah worst hair maybe  :sarcastic: :sarcastic:

Offline hornyguylondon

I cannot recognise any beneficial change that Trump has made as leader of the  American nation.
His never ending ramblings and calling of anything slightly critical as "fake news" are legend.
He inherited most of his wealth to become the first billionaire president.
His net worth, however, is not precisely known because the Trump Organisation is a privately held business.
He lies about many things, not least his wealth.
Boasting widely about having a net worth of more than US$10 billion, Forbes listed Trump's 2018 net worth at $3.1 billion and even lower at $2.1 billion in 2020.
Trump has made many false or misleading statements during his campaign and presidency. The statements have been documented by fact-checkers, and the media have widely described the phenomenon as unprecedented in American politics.
Many of his comments and actions have been characterised as racially charged or racist.
His ramblings about Muslims, his avoidance of military service and the recent impeachment saga clarifies that he is the poorest quality and the lowest standard of President the Americans have put into office. Ever!
It remains to be seen if he will be around for another 4 years.
Surprise, surprise I for one hope he isn't, as I cannot think of one positive contribution, however small he has made for America's Joe Public.
I am sure that 99.9% will agree with me.

 


Before the virus Trump had created their biggest economy and least unemployment but the issue is that he's a Businessman, treats people as adversaries and the media don't get that.
I agree he's a contradictory, arrogant twat most of the time but America is totally divided on Party lines anyway so it wouldnt matter if he was the nicest guy, the Democrat media would still hate him.
America will vote for him because he'll provide their best option for jobs and economic success.

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Saw Michael Portilo give a talk on trains ( my vice  :D) some body asked him about Trump months before he was selected ....

"He will win people love him and those that he deals with like him even our bus driver liked him and he was a Hispanic..we are not Americans and cant judge him "

Sure enough he won and we still cant quite get why here in UK but its he Republic adminastration not just Trump it is not just one guy ...if we think that we are the fools :hi:

I think the phrase a working man but with a Billioanares pay check sums him up he is able to get though in straight words to many whilst I liked Obama he was just a bit to out of touch with  Americans that grafted and wanted to get on..the mistake of the health care for him was he forgot that others would and did explot it causing the non payment and high costs it was never going to be like the NHS the 52 stats are just too diverse and big ...Shame worst leader nah worst hair maybe  :sarcastic: :sarcastic:

It seems that the majority of Americans have judged him in the latest poll and he is not doing to well.


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Before the virus Trump had created their biggest economy and least unemployment but the issue is that he's a Businessman, treats people as adversaries and the media don't get that.
I agree he's a contradictory, arrogant twat most of the time but America is totally divided on Party lines anyway so it wouldnt matter if he was the nicest guy, the Democrat media would still hate him.
America will vote for him because he'll provide their best option for jobs and economic success.

If you look at the growth graph for the increase in the American economy and jobs you will find it stated under the previous administration, the hard work was done by them.
The growth share prices has been helped by his tax giveaways to large companies, who were not paying their fare share of tax already.
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If you look at the growth graph for the increase in the American economy and jobs you will find it stated under the previous administration, the grower work was done by them.
The growth share prices has been helped by his tax giveaways to large companies, who were not paying their fare share of tax already.

Are you suggesting Trump is takiing credit for someone else's effort  :rolleyes:

In the life cycle of an economy, I wouldn't argue the ground work point but Trump's Business incentives provided the market confidence for jobs and economic growth - pre covid  :)

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Are you suggesting Trump is takiing credit for someone else's effort  :rolleyes:

In the life cycle of an economy, I wouldn't argue the ground work point but Trump's Business incentives provided the market confidence for jobs and economic growth - pre covid  :)

When you you write Trump's Business incentives, I take it you mean tax cuts to large corporations who were paying very little tax already. That did indeed push up share prices for a short while. In the real economy it was the pervious administrations hard work that brought growth, he did nothing but claim it was him.

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I cannot recognise any beneficial change that Trump has made as leader of the  American nation.

How about the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, pre-covid?

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When you you write Trump's Business incentives, I take it you mean tax cuts to large corporations who were paying very little tax already. That did indeed push up share prices for a short while. In the real economy it was the pervious administrations hard work that brought growth, he did nothing but claim it was him.

I'm not protecting Trump, but if the previous administration were that good why did they vote them out and give a huge vote for Trump ?

Offline Colston36

The mainstream media (I liked it when it was called the Mass Media) have had it in for Trump since day one. Debate is therefore mostly futile, as most people have an ingrained opinion of him that's not going to change.


Anyway, if we're talking worst leader ever, there are plenty who deserve that title.

At number one, it has to Stalin. Killed untold millions of his own people. Cunt.

Mao. Close behind.

Hitler. Nothing more to be said.

Mussolini. No, he didn't make the trains run on time. Vain and stupid. Backed the wrong horse with Hitler, A.

Franco. Kept a now-modern nation from modernising. Democracy only came in after he died.

Pinochet. Tens of thousands killed or 'disappeared'.

Castro. Set up a one-party, prison state. Mass imprisonment of opponents. Kept citizens in abject poverty.


It's not a short list.

Mao killed infinitely more than Stalin or Hitler. 60 million. More than the other two put together.

Offline David1970

I'm not protecting Trump, but if the previous administration were that good why did they vote them out and give a huge vote for Trump ?

The previous administration had served 2 terms, the maximum they are allowed to under the US constitution, they were never voted out, they could not stand for re-election.
Trump did not get a huge vote as you claim he lost the popular vote to Clinton ( Clinton got 65,853,514 votes and Trump got 62,984,828 votes). So she was more popular than her.

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How about the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, pre-covid?

Check out reply #30.

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Trump did not get a huge vote as you claim he lost the popular vote to Clinton ( Clinton got 65,853,514 votes and Trump got 62,984,828 votes). So she was more popular than her.

Are you saying Trump's a transsexual, he looks all man to me!   :lol:

Offline mr.bluesky

Are you saying Trump's a transsexual, he looks all man to me!   :lol:

He's got a fit wife and shagged a porn star so he must be doing something right. I gues having a big wad of cash helps.

Offline hornyguylondon

The previous administration had served 2 terms, the maximum they are allowed to under the US constitution, they were never voted out, they could not stand for re-election.
Trump did not get a huge vote as you claim he lost the popular vote to Clinton ( Clinton got 65,853,514 votes and Trump got 62,984,828 votes). So she was more popular than her.

You're right, the Democrats weren't voted out, Trump lost and we're in the Twilight zone  :rolleyes: 

Offline David1970

You're right, the Democrats weren't voted out, Trump lost and we're in the Twilight zone  :rolleyes:

What that I have written is untrue, please point this out to me.
The Obama administration could not stand for re-elections, check the US constitution.
Clinton got more votes in the popular vote than Trump.


Offline Beamer

What that I have written is untrue, please point this out to me.
The Obama administration could not stand for re-elections, check the US constitution.
Clinton got more votes in the popular vote than Trump.

Agreed.
What's ironic is that Trump was also a Democratic (until 1987, and again from 2001–2009)
Shows that he is not clear as to where his own allegiance lies. Probably whatever was best for the selfish individual
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What that I have written is untrue, please point this out to me.
The Obama administration could not stand for re-elections, check the US constitution.
Clinton got more votes in the popular vote than Trump.

My point was that the previous administration were the Democrats so if they were that good why didnt they vote for them again.
The US use the electoral college process to elect a President so % vote is irrelevant.

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Agreed.
What's ironic is that Trump was also a Democratic (until 1987, and again from 2001–2009)

The Clintons were his guests of honour at his last wedding.

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I cannot recognise any beneficial change that Trump has made as leader of the  American nation.
His never ending ramblings and calling of anything slightly critical as "fake news" are legend.
He inherited most of his wealth to become the first billionaire president.
His net worth, however, is not precisely known because the Trump Organisation is a privately held business.
He lies about many things, not least his wealth.
Boasting widely about having a net worth of more than US$10 billion, Forbes listed Trump's 2018 net worth at $3.1 billion and even lower at $2.1 billion in 2020.
Trump has made many false or misleading statements during his campaign and presidency. The statements have been documented by fact-checkers, and the media have widely described the phenomenon as unprecedented in American politics.
Many of his comments and actions have been characterised as racially charged or racist.
His ramblings about Muslims, his avoidance of military service and the recent impeachment saga clarifies that he is the poorest quality and the lowest standard of President the Americans have put into office. Ever!
It remains to be seen if he will be around for another 4 years.
Surprise, surprise I for one hope he isn't, as I cannot think of one positive contribution, however small he has made for America's Joe Public.
I am sure that 99.9% will agree with me.

 

Whilst I agree with your sentiment..........I always wonder, when I read things about other countries, just how much truth there is to what we are told. Having been through the recent election, and several others before, where the media lies and distorts to suit their agenda, I simply don't take things at face value anymore. That's despite being a fully fledged, Guardian reading, lifelong Labour voting, Tory scum hating lefty.

There's no doubt that Trump is hugely divisive to lots of people around the world but the reality is that most Americans just don't give a shit. They live in small countries within a large country and all they care about is looking after number one. The USA is without doubt a right wing country with an occasional left wing idea - ObamaCare being one. The culture is as dog eat dog as anywhere and Trump personifies that. The right love him because he isn't shy about saying it and the left (which is still way to the right) hate him because he reminds them that they aren't much different really.

He is undoubtedly a very simple minded man, but that was his appeal to the voters - doing away with professional politicians - and who's to say he won't be good for America in the long term? I feel like he's providing a shock to the old world order, which is no bad thing. Unfortunately, he's also the very epitome of rich, privileged, WASP power and he's got no intention of giving it up anytime soon.

Up the revolution my son!

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Whilst I agree with your sentiment..........I always wonder, when I read things about other countries, just how much truth there is to what we are told. Having been through the recent election, and several others before, where the media lies and distorts to suit their agenda, I simply don't take things at face value anymore. That's despite being a fully fledged, Guardian reading, lifelong Labour voting, Tory scum hating lefty.

There's no doubt that Trump is hugely divisive to lots of people around the world but the reality is that most Americans just don't give a shit. They live in small countries within a large country and all they care about is looking after number one. The USA is without doubt a right wing country with an occasional left wing idea - ObamaCare being one. The culture is as dog eat dog as anywhere and Trump personifies that. The right love him because he isn't shy about saying it and the left (which is still way to the right) hate him because he reminds them that they aren't much different really.

He is undoubtedly a very simple minded man, but that was his appeal to the voters - doing away with professional politicians - and who's to say he won't be good for America in the long term? I feel like he's providing a shock to the old world order, which is no bad thing. Unfortunately, he's also the very epitome of rich, privileged, WASP power and he's got no intention of giving it up anytime soon.

Up the revolution my son!

Nice one  :hi:

Offline David1970

I'm not protecting Trump, but if the previous administration were that good why did they vote them out and give a huge vote for Trump ?

Fact: The Obama administration did not stand for election so was not voted out as you claim
Fact: Clinton got more votes than Trump, so Trump did not get a huge vote as you claim.


Offline hornyguylondon

Fact: The Obama administration did not stand for election so was not voted out as you claim
Fact: Clinton got more votes than Trump, so Trump did not get a huge vote as you claim.

Why not answer the question I put - I am interested to hear and it would be more constructive discussion  :)

Offline King Nuts

Whilst I agree with your sentiment..........I always wonder, when I read things about other countries, just how much truth there is to what we are told. Having been through the recent election, and several others before, where the media lies and distorts to suit their agenda, I simply don't take things at face value anymore. That's despite being a fully fledged, Guardian reading, lifelong Labour voting, Tory scum hating lefty.

There's no doubt that Trump is hugely divisive to lots of people around the world but the reality is that most Americans just don't give a shit. They live in small countries within a large country and all they care about is looking after number one. The USA is without doubt a right wing country with an occasional left wing idea - ObamaCare being one. The culture is as dog eat dog as anywhere and Trump personifies that. The right love him because he isn't shy about saying it and the left (which is still way to the right) hate him because he reminds them that they aren't much different really.

He is undoubtedly a very simple minded man, but that was his appeal to the voters - doing away with professional politicians - and who's to say he won't be good for America in the long term? I feel like he's providing a shock to the old world order, which is no bad thing. Unfortunately, he's also the very epitome of rich, privileged, WASP power and he's got no intention of giving it up anytime soon.

Up the revolution my son!

Interesting comments, but I think there's a danger of over-simplifying why and how Trump won the election, and of oversimplifying Americans too.

There are many things about the Yanks that mark them up as very different to us. For starters, they might fight like cats and dogs when an election campaign is on, but once a President is elected, most people will get behind them. It's not been the case with Trump, but it's been the case pretty much universally before Trump.

Second, the USA is nothing like as 'right wing' as many think. In many ways, they've taken on socially-levelling attitudes and policies that we've never had. Unions are much more powerful, and layers of government at county, state and federal level are wider, deeper, bigger and more expensive than anything we've ever experienced in the UK. It's an admin-heavy and deeply regulated country. For example, last year I took over a company in California. The paperwork was and is off the scale, and the taxes, dues and regulations involved are on a scale I have never experienced here. All designed, of course, to support the state as well as the unemployed, homeless, war vets, and everyone else.

As regards your dog-eat-dog comment, while business in many ways is very cut throat, I've found in my many travels around the US and longer periods of time spent in California, that on a social and macro level, people can be very supportive of each other, particularly when it comes to self-help groups, looking after the elderly and infirm, and so on. I'm not here to write a thesis, but this has been my experience.

Trump has managed to get a lot of people onside. Yes, he's a privileged New York WASP, but he's a practical guy, perceived as self-made, even if he isn't really. Americans love practicality, and mostly abhor pretension. The fact he puts his foot in it so many times, and comes across as a braggart, doesn't matter to most Americans.




Offline David1970

I'm not protecting Trump, but if the previous administration were that good why did they vote them out and give a huge vote for Trump ?

I am replying with facts to your statement which is wrong.
Please read your own statement above before further comment and check the facts against it.

Offline willie loman

Twat 1st Class.

You understand that this is a discussion board? You resort to juvenile insults very quickly.