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Offline Thephoenix

I recently received an email from Sainsburys.
I have occasionally used them in the past for home delivery, and using their records, they had identified me as being over 70 and classed as 'vulnerable'.
They were offering to priorities delivery slots.
I didn't bother checking it out as I was originally doing my own shopping in the over/70 slot they have in store.
Unfortunately a resident in our flats has recently died from the virus, so we are all self isolating for 14 days, so I have family nearby who can shop for me.
Maybe it's worth phoning Sainsbury's dedicated help line for over/70's 0800 052 5500

Offline PatMacGroin

Up until now I have tended to treat this compulsory isolation of "at risk" people with some amusement, and I have complied but with the feeling that it isn`t really mean me.

However, a few days ago, realising the the larder was becoming somewhat depleted I attempted to arrange for Home Delivery from a Supermarket, but found that not only that one, but all the others also, either "had no more slots available" or were not taking any more registrations.
Nothing daunted I drove to my nearest Supermarket, parked my car, got a trolley and tottered over to join the queue to enter. There was some whispering among those in front of me and then the Doorkeeper in charge marched over and told me I could not go in and must leave immediately, and when I refused and asked why he said that it was illegal for me to be out, and then spoke into his communicator and asked them to call the Police.
Needless to say, I didn`t wish to waste the time of our hard pressed Constabulary,so I buggered off.

As my nearest son lives over 60 miles away and both he and his wife are working full time in vital jobs I rang a neighbour and mentioned the problem to her and asked if she could add my requirements to her next shopping list; she asked what they were, I told her, and she replied that she already needed to buy those for her own family of 5, and that sales of them were restricted to 2 per person, meaning that she would need to make a special trip just for mine on top of two trips for her own family.  As she runs a small business from her home I could understand her reluctance and apologised for asking her.

I suppose that I could pester all my neighbours in turn, and probably get a similar response from them but somehow that doesn`t appeal to me.

So...WHAT THE HELL DO I DO NOW?

I'm sorry to hear that HappyLad. And I'm very surprised by the reaction at that supermarket. Most of them have been taking measures to help the elderly and others most at risk. Generally the measures are different from chain to chain and even between different stores in the same chain, but it still sounds like that doorman has misunderstood something and totally over-reacted. Maybe you should have let him call the police, they probably would have told him to get someone to escort you around the store (while keeping a min 2m distance)!

That phone number from the Pheonix is probably the best place to start. Make a call and save yourself a journey.

I know that my local supermarkets are controlling numbers in store. Keeping them low with a one in one out policy so that there's enough space for people to keep a good distance from each other. That could lead to long queuing times, but none of the queues I saw were actually that bad. I noticed Iceland was opening exclusively to OAPs for the 1st hr and I heard something about them arranging priority delivery services. M&S were keeping very low numbers in store, keeping big gaps in the queue outside and letting OAPs, NHS etc jump to the front of the queue.

So if either of those are near you they may be an option in an emergency.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Being in the store is certainly not wise and against all advice but as shopping for essentials is one of the exempt reasons for leaving home, I'm not sure you were actually doing anything 'illegal' despite your age/health?

Did you receive the letter saying you were in the vulnerable category? There is also this External Link/Members Only
Yeah while age can put you in a high risk group it's still not illegal as we aren't living in a police state quite yet.

Sounds like an over zealous prick who thought he was dealing with pubbers and clubbers, instead of threatening to call the police his time would have been better used seeking clarification and trying to get you a delivery slot.

I believe there is a 2-3 week wait at some supermarkets for delivery slots, not sure how it works if you have or haven't used them before. Alternatively when I spoke to my Mum she didn't think she could get a delivery but click and collect may be an option which would save queuing etc

Offline winkywanky

So...WHAT THE HELL DO I DO NOW?


Join your local group, there's a phone App as well as the website: External Link/Members Only

It'll put you in touch with people local to you who are able to help. It works well where I am.

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Up until now I have tended to treat this compulsory isolation of "at risk" people with some amusement, and I have complied but with the feeling that it isn`t really mean me.

However, a few days ago, realising the the larder was becoming somewhat depleted I attempted to arrange for Home Delivery from a Supermarket, but found that not only that one, but all the others also, either "had no more slots available" or were not taking any more registrations.
Nothing daunted I drove to my nearest Supermarket, parked my car, got a trolley and tottered over to join the queue to enter. There was some whispering among those in front of me and then the Doorkeeper in charge marched over and told me I could not go in and must leave immediately, and when I refused and asked why he said that it was illegal for me to be out, and then spoke into his communicator and asked them to call the Police.
Needless to say, I didn`t wish to waste the time of our hard pressed Constabulary,so I buggered off.

As my nearest son lives over 60 miles away and both he and his wife are working full time in vital jobs I rang a neighbour and mentioned the problem to her and asked if she could add my requirements to her next shopping list; she asked what they were, I told her, and she replied that she already needed to buy those for her own family of 5, and that sales of them were restricted to 2 per person, meaning that she would need to make a special trip just for mine on top of two trips for her own family.  As she runs a small business from her home I could understand her reluctance and apologised for asking her.

I suppose that I could pester all my neighbours in turn, and probably get a similar response from them but somehow that doesn`t appeal to me.

So...WHAT THE HELL DO I DO NOW?

The Morrisons in the Shropshire town near your village was actively encouraging people who were multi shopping for others on Friday when I was there, split your trolley into sections, they were running a long queue through the car park to maintain a 2 meter spacing and it was one out one in , maintain distance in the store, no browsing just get what you need and go.

Offline Happylad

I am extremely grateful to you all for your suggestions and assistance.  However (as is so very often the case) as soon as I`d had a good moan here and a night`s sleep a very obvious solution presented itself, and after a 5 minute `phone call this morning I have now managed a favour for favour arrangement whereby an acquaintance will do a regular shopping trip for me in return for petrol money and a favour which will, in effect, cost me nothing.

It never fails to surprise me how benevolently the sun so frequently shines upon the righteous.

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I am extremely grateful to you all for your suggestions and assistance.  However (as is so very often the case) as soon as I`d had a good moan here and a night`s sleep a very obvious solution presented itself, and after a 5 minute `phone call this morning I have now managed a favour for favour arrangement whereby an acquaintance will do a regular shopping trip for me in return for petrol money and a favour which will, in effect, cost me nothing.

It never fails to surprise me how benevolently the sun so frequently shines upon the righteous.

Hurrah really pleased to read this, sounds like your moan and a sleep cleared your mind. Sometimes the easiest solution is right under our noses.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 11:33:12 am by Strawberry »

Offline Moby Dick

I am extremely grateful to you all for your suggestions and assistance.  However (as is so very often the case) as soon as I`d had a good moan here and a night`s sleep a very obvious solution presented itself, and after a 5 minute `phone call this morning I have now managed a favour for favour arrangement whereby an acquaintance will do a regular shopping trip for me in return for petrol money and a favour which will, in effect, cost me nothing.

It never fails to surprise me how benevolently the sun so frequently shines upon the righteous.

Maybe you acquaintance is a UKP member and felt a good deed was in order after reading your comments here.  :unknown:
Favour ? Did you lend him/her your collection of 1970 jazz mags or just fix another lawn mower?
« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 11:41:15 am by Moby Dick »

Offline threechilliman

I am extremely grateful to you all for your suggestions and assistance.  However (as is so very often the case) as soon as I`d had a good moan here and a night`s sleep a very obvious solution presented itself, and after a 5 minute `phone call this morning I have now managed a favour for favour arrangement whereby an acquaintance will do a regular shopping trip for me in return for petrol money and a favour which will, in effect, cost me nothing.

It never fails to surprise me how benevolently the sun so frequently shines upon the righteous.

Good to hear.

Offline Happylad

Maybe you acquaintance is a UKP member and felt a good deed was in order after reading your comments here.  :unknown:
Favour ? Did you lend him/her your collection of 1970 jazz mags or just fix another lawn mower?

No. I`m letting him grow vegetables on a bit of my vegetable plot that I can well manage without - it also saves my having to weed it.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 12:26:38 pm by Happylad »

Offline 20jay

Strange things going on..?  :lol:

I have to travel for my job means I have to fly ..can ya imagine what is going on at the moment  :hi:

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Yeah while age can put you in a high risk group it's still not illegal as we aren't living in a police state quite yet.
I wouldn't be so sure, flouting the restrictions is illegal and can lead to arrest. A woman has been arrested at Newcastle Central Station and with charged with travel fraud and failing to comply with requirements imposed under the Coronavirus Act 2020. she's in court today.

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I wouldn't be so sure, flouting the restrictions is illegal and can lead to arrest. A woman has been arrested at Newcastle Central Station and with charged with travel fraud and failing to comply with requirements imposed under the Coronavirus Act 2020. she's in court today.

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She was arrested for travel fraud? Perhaps she had no valid train ticket? Then they found out she had no reason to be travelling anyway so they threw that at her as well.  :D

Shopping for food is a legitimate reason to be out of your home and is not breaking the law ... which in this case includes a grumpy old geezer shopping in Sainsurys  ;) :D

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She was arrested for travel fraud? Perhaps she had no valid train ticket? Then they found out she had no reason to be travelling anyway so they threw that at her as well.  :D

Shopping for food is a legitimate reason to be out of your home and is not breaking the law ... which in this case includes a grumpy old geezer shopping in Sainsurys  ;) :D
My mate has had a letter telling him he's in an 'at risk' group and he has to stay indoors for 12 weeks, is it not the same for those over 70 and if so does it fall into the 'flouting restrictions' category.   Worth checking for those it may affect.   :unknown:

Offline Moby Dick

Another idiot:


Coronavirus: Driver stopped on M6 lockdown trip with wife in boot
They made a 220-mile round trip from Coventry to Salford to pick up £15 windows bought on eBay.

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Should have left her in Coventry

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My mate has had a letter telling him he's in an 'at risk' group and he has to stay indoors for 12 weeks, is it not the same for those over 70 and if does it fall into the 'flouting restrictions' category.   Worth checking for those it may affect.   :unknown:

I've researched this several times over 70s are advised to socially distance, at the moment they are being asked to minimise contact like the rest of the population and consider self-isolating.


Many shops and supermarkets are running o70s priority shopping hours.


This page and the links on it may clarify further, it's the extremely vulnerable who should be staying home permanently ;

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« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 03:51:33 pm by Strawberry »

Offline martini2429

I've researched this several times over 70s are advised to socially distance, at the moment they are being asked to minimise contact like the rest of the population and consider self-isolating.


Many shops and supermarkets are running o70s priority shopping hours.

My local Sainsbury's are doing Mon, Wed & Fri mornings 8-9 for Elderly and Vunerable people, asked the guy on guard this morning what constitutes Elderly, he said anyone receiving a pension, didn't state a "State Pension" just a pension, so I qualify  :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

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My local Sainsbury's are doing Mon, Wed & Fri mornings 8-9 for Elderly and Vunerable people, asked the guy on guard this morning what constitutes Elderly, he said anyone receiving a pension, didn't state a "State Pension" just a pension, so I qualify  :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

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Whereas an o70 who isn't drawing a pension (I know at least one) wouldn't qualify?

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My local Sainsbury's are doing Mon, Wed & Fri mornings 8-9 for Elderly and Vunerable people, asked the guy on guard this morning what constitutes Elderly, he said anyone receiving a pension, didn't state a "State Pension" just a pension, so I qualify  :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

 :drinks:

How old are you?


Offline martini2429

Whereas an o70 who isn't drawing a pension (I know at least one) wouldn't qualify?

I really don't think they would stop him/her

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Hardly elderly and drawing a pension seems like a very poor way to decide who is. A 50 year old might be drawing a pension and, as Strawberry said, a 70 year old might not be.

Offline PatMacGroin

Another idiot:


Coronavirus: Driver stopped on M6 lockdown trip with wife in boot
They made a 220-mile round trip from Coventry to Salford to pick up £15 windows bought on eBay.

Read in BBC News: External Link/Members Only

Should have left her in Coventry

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

That trip was just an excuse to lock in her in the boot and get some peace and quiet for the 4hr, 220 miles round trip.

She had no doubt been nagging him to do some DIY while they were stuck inside the house together.

Offline martini2429

Hardly elderly and drawing a pension seems like a very poor way to decide who is. A 50 year old might be drawing a pension and, as Strawberry said, a 70 year old might not be.

I know, I told him I was surprised by what he had said, his reply was "If you turn up at 8 am I would let you in"

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I know, I told him I was surprised by what he had said, his reply was "If you turn up at 8 am I would let you in"

Hopefully you won't be taking advantage and leave the hour for the truly elderly.

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I've researched this several times over 70s are advised to socially distance, at the moment they are being asked to minimise contact like the rest of the population and consider self-isolating.

Many shops and supermarkets are running o70s priority shopping hours.

This page and the links on it may clarify further, it's the extremely vulnerable who should be staying home permanently ;

External Link/Members Only
As it happens I was in Asda earlier and there was a bloke coming out who looked a lot older than me. I wasn't sure about the legalities for over 70's or those who got the 'at risk' letter.

Offline martini2429

Hopefully you won't be taking advantage and leave the hour for the truly elderly.

No, I will go after 9 am

 :drinks:

Offline winkywanky

Another idiot:
Coronavirus: Driver stopped on M6 lockdown trip with wife in boot
They made a 220-mile round trip from Coventry to Salford to pick up £15 windows bought on eBay.



I should imagine the husband told her to get in the boot, but she should have seen through it.

Offline Happylad


Shopping for food is a legitimate reason to be out of your home and is not breaking the law ... which in this case includes a grumpy old geezer shopping in Sainsurys  ;) :D

This particular "grumpy old geezer" has so far received 3 `phone texts - one from someone called UK.Gov, and from each of two different hospital departments, as well as an email from his GP, all informing him that he is a `high risk` and must stay at home for the next 14 weeks.

In view of these and the current emergency regulations I have to regard the legality or otherwise of my going out (even for food shopping) as being somewhat debatable.


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This particular "grumpy old geezer" has so far received 3 `phone texts - one from someone called UK.Gov, and from each of two different hospital departments, as well as an email from his GP, all informing him that he is a `high risk` and must stay at home for the next 14 weeks.

In view of these and the current emergency regulations I have to regard the legality or otherwise of my going out (even for food shopping) as being somewhat debatable.

Ah now it's the high risk which is the issue over your age as such, so yes you are correct. There's a high risk section on the .gov.uk website also seems to be a variation on how folk are allocated this status, also seem to remember something being said last week on the announcement about this section of the population - that consideration had to be made for conditions which may flare and subside.

Really hope you stay safe Happylad, you sound in good spirits and there are difficult decisions to be made.

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Ah now it's the high risk which is the issue over your age as such, so yes you are correct. There's a high risk section on the .gov.uk website also seems to be a variation on how folk are allocated this status, also seem to remember something being said last week on the announcement about this section of the population - that consideration had to be made for conditions which may flare and subside.

Really hope you stay safe Happylad, you sound in good spirits and there are difficult decisions to be made.

Well, the dodgy ticker may flare a bit now and then, but the lung cancer appears to be more of a slow and stately progression, although I am assured that neither of them is likely to subside in any way.  I must confess that the slow and stately progression to the grave appeals somewhat more to me than a couple of weeks frantic dash there with a dose of Covid.

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This particular "grumpy old geezer" has so far received 3 `phone texts - one from someone called UK.Gov, and from each of two different hospital departments, as well as an email from his GP, all informing him that he is a `high risk` and must stay at home for the next 14 weeks.

In view of these and the current emergency regulations I have to regard the legality or otherwise of my going out (even for food shopping) as being somewhat debatable.
Aside from the queestion of legality obviously the 14 weeks is intended to safeguard you and also minimise the burden on the health system if you were to become ill, so basically all the communications are coming with a good intention.  My question would be are you ok for food etc or whatever is necessary and have you had any communication regarding to the necessity of help during your enforced 14 weeks isolation , wether you need help or not.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 06:02:44 pm by cotton »

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Aside from the queestion of legality obviously the 14 weeks is intended to safeguard you and also minimise the burden on the health system if you were to become ill, so basically all the communications are coming with a good intention.  My question would be are you ok for food etc or whatever is necessary and have you had any communication regarding to the necessity of help during your enforced 14 weeks isolation , wether you need help or not.

The answers to your two questions are:-
Food stock diminishing rapidly, single malt whisky almost finished, and NO. but as I`ve mentioned in a previous posting I have now made my own private arrangements.

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This particular "grumpy old geezer" has so far received 3 `phone texts - one from someone called UK.Gov, and from each of two different hospital departments, as well as an email from his GP, all informing him that he is a `high risk` and must stay at home for the next 14 weeks.

In view of these and the current emergency regulations I have to regard the legality or otherwise of my going out (even for food shopping) as being somewhat debatable.

Which is why I asked you this.


Did you receive the letter saying you were in the vulnerable category? There is also this External Link/Members Only

My understanding is that supermarkets have been instructed to prioritise home deliveries to this group? That said you seem to have come to a much better arrangement  ;)

The legality or otherwise is, as you say, immaterial in your case (and many others) where common sense takes priority, but the supermarket was still wrong saying you were breaking the law. The wording for the extremely vulnerable group is "Shielding is for your personal protection. It is your choice to decide whether to follow the measures we advise".

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« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 06:15:43 pm by Doc Holliday »

Offline Thecunninglinguist

Up until now I have tended to treat this compulsory isolation of "at risk" people with some amusement, and I have complied but with the feeling that it isn`t really mean me.

However, a few days ago, realising the the larder was becoming somewhat depleted I attempted to arrange for Home Delivery from a Supermarket, but found that not only that one, but all the others also, either "had no more slots available" or were not taking any more registrations.
Nothing daunted I drove to my nearest Supermarket, parked my car, got a trolley and tottered over to join the queue to enter. There was some whispering among those in front of me and then the Doorkeeper in charge marched over and told me I could not go in and must leave immediately, and when I refused and asked why he said that it was illegal for me to be out, and then spoke into his communicator and asked them to call the Police.
Needless to say, I didn`t wish to waste the time of our hard pressed Constabulary,so I buggered off.

As my nearest son lives over 60 miles away and both he and his wife are working full time in vital jobs I rang a neighbour and mentioned the problem to her and asked if she could add my requirements to her next shopping list; she asked what they were, I told her, and she replied that she already needed to buy those for her own family of 5, and that sales of them were restricted to 2 per person, meaning that she would need to make a special trip just for mine on top of two trips for her own family.  As she runs a small business from her home I could understand her reluctance and apologised for asking her.

I suppose that I could pester all my neighbours in turn, and probably get a similar response from them but somehow that doesn`t appeal to me.

So...WHAT THE HELL DO I DO NOW?
You call always find someone on AW still doing outcalls and book the shortest time possible but request she brings you your shopping? You could always decide when you saw her whether you were still self isolating or not so carefully. Expensive maybe but at the very least you would not starve?

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You call always find someone on AW still doing outcalls and book the shortest time possible but request she brings you your shopping? You could always decide when you saw her whether you were still self isolating or not so carefully. Expensive maybe but at the very least you would not starve?
Great reply  :D :D :D
However Happylad, I would have waited for the police to arrive. Can you imagine the press getting hold of this one, "90 year old man unable to get food delivery turns up to queue at Asda as he has no food at home and is promtly arrested as he's a vulnerable person".
No the super market which ever one wouldnt have liked the press at turning you away for sure.
I'd go back if you still havent replenished your pantry.
Do let us all know what happens :hi:

Offline oldmanking

@happylad

If you can look online for your local neighbourhood group you should find someone willing to shop for you.  We have several in our neck of the woods, but being a large city like Birmingham it's easier.  Not sure if you're rural or city based, but surely there must be someone helping out old dodderers like yourself to get their milk and scotch? 

External Link/Members Only     this link might help unless you're too remotely based?  iirc, you just select the are you're in, and viola?

Offline Blackpool Rock

@happylad

If you can look online for your local neighbourhood group you should find someone willing to shop for you.  We have several in our neck of the woods, but being a large city like Birmingham it's easier.  Not sure if you're rural or city based, but surely there must be someone helping out old dodderers like yourself to get their milk and scotch? 

External Link/Members Only     this link might help unless you're too remotely based?  iirc, you just select the are you're in, and viola?
What they bring you a string instrument  :unknown:

Offline freeze44

What they bring you a string instrument  :unknown:

 :D They might....a piano be unreasonable imo

Offline Blackpool Rock

:D They might....a piano be unreasonable imo
Perhaps they don't actually bring an instrument but play with your 1 string banjo when they get there  :blush:

Offline Thephoenix

Perhaps they don't actually bring an instrument but play with your 1 string banjo when they get there  :blush:

Or his mighty organ :wackogirl:

Offline winkywanky

:D They might....a piano be unreasonable imo


A pink oboe would be better, surely?

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A pink oboe would be better, surely?
Ah yes of course, a wood instrument  :thumbsup:

Offline willie loman

I see plenty of over 70s out shopping , is it an offense?

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Offline threechilliman

I see plenty of over 70s out shopping , is it an offense?

I went out the other day and couldn't believe the number of old folk tottering about. Old folk seem to be the hardest to persuade - maybe they realise they're nearly at the end anyway so what does it matter? :D

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I see plenty of over 70s out shopping , is it an offence?
I can't find anything specific to over 70's but according to the government guidance for the vulnerable who have received a letter, updated on 30th March 2020, it's a personal choice for the individual whether they take the advice or not. If those at risk due to serious health issues don't have to stay in I can't see over 70's having to, as long as they abide by the same rules as us all.

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Davie is correct it is not an offence.

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A pink oboe would be better, surely?
Your avatar character Peter Cooke always refered to homosexual men as being "A player of the pink piccolo"