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Has the current virus affected peoples' values etc? 

When we come out of it, what type of society can we envisage?


Is this accurate??

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When we come out of it, what type of society can we envisage?[/i]


Utopia, Ah..... Bliss.


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But not with ALL this ol' bollocks going on.

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Generally, I have not been impressed with small shops and their hyper-inflated prices, some employers too.  :dash:

I did see a store offering discount for NHS staff which deserves credit and hence this thread.  :angelgirl:
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But not with ALL this ol' bollocks going on.

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This clip is an old one
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I am not sure I would refer to Chinese liberalism government as Communist but I get the thrust of what the vid is suggesting.
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Has the current virus affected peoples' values etc? 

When we come out of it, what type of society can we envisage?


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No.

Because sadly the ignorant, dangerous, mindless and heartless did indeed catch Covid-19, but the fuckers passed it on to others who died in their place.

So we ended up with even more ignorant, dangerous, mindless and heartless as a proportion of the overall population.

And no, the current virus hasn't affected people's values. All it did was show you who the ignorant fuckers were.

Herein endeth the lesson.

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Taking off my cynical hat for just one moment, hopefully a few people have learned a few important lessons.

And my God, half a million people have signed up to be NHS volunteers  :thumbsup:.

Out of utter shit, goodness may come. I think that must be in the Bible somewhere?


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No.

Because sadly the ignorant, dangerous, mindless and heartless did indeed catch Covid-19, but the fuckers passed it on to others who died in their place.

So we ended up with even more ignorant, dangerous, mindless and heartless as a proportion of the overall population.

And no, the current virus hasn't affected people's values. All it did was show you who the ignorant fuckers were.

Herein endeth the lesson.

Has it changed your own personal perspective in anyway to life?
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Blimey, that's a bit deep.

It probably made me appreciate my very elderly mum even more than I did, that she's precious because she enjoys life as much as she ever did, and she needs to be protected at all costs. Will that do?

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Blimey, that's a bit deep.

It probably made me appreciate my very elderly mum even more than I did, that she's precious because she enjoys life as much as she ever did, and she needs to be protected at all costs. Will that do?

Yes! This is what I had in mind 

Thanks :hi:
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Offline Xtro

This clip is an old one

Indeed, but we gotta stay in line/keep everyone happy, (Not only China) or they won't build our cheap goods or fight our proxy wars!

Offline freeze44

The problem as I see it is that the 'bad' have had the loudest  voices for quite a while.

I think most people, say 90%, are decent, kind and caring. Most people I know are like that. The last few weeks will change things and just listening to way the language has changed from the government, makes me think the way we all live our lives is being reflected upon.

Being selfish is part of our makeup and I'm as guilty as anyone but maybe the balance is going to redressed and the values we look for in leaders will shift for the better.

Have seen some good examples of true leadership and compassion recently, with one glaring omission that am sure all know who am talking about. The future isn't orange!

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No.

Because sadly the ignorant, dangerous, mindless and heartless did indeed catch Covid-19, but the fuckers passed it on to others who died in their place.

So we ended up with even more ignorant, dangerous, mindless and heartless as a proportion of the overall population.

And no, the current virus hasn't affected people's values. All it did was show you who the ignorant fuckers were.

Herein endeth the lesson.

This virus will change nothing. When it’s over, most will return to being ignorant, lazy, ungrateful, Selfish and horny!

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This virus will change nothing. When it’s over, most will return to being ignorant, lazy, ungrateful, Selfish and horny!

I'm not ignorant, lazy (well sometimes, I'm retired  :P) or selfish, but I am horny.

Does that make me awkward too?

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This virus will change nothing. When it’s over, most will return to being ignorant, lazy, ungrateful, Selfish and horny!

The way this is written it presuppose there has been a positive change because of the virus and when it is over [ please read above from the bold onwards  ]       

 ;)                                               
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Homeless Travelodge residents turned out on to street

Families asked to leave hotels due to coronavirus, in apparent defiance of guidance

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Homeless Travelodge residents turned out on to street

Families asked to leave hotels due to coronavirus, in apparent defiance of guidance

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That's terrible! Why can't they wait until something is sorted out? Going to be a blacklist out of all this. Heard Primark have said they are refusing to pay rent. Do all who can't work follow that lead then?

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“Has the current virus affected peoples' values etc?”

Well there has been 400,000+ and counting who have volunteered to help the NHS, cope with the pandemic.

I tell you what has fucked me off though, celebs and their narcissistic attitude. Especially that idiot Sam Smith having a “meltdown”. What a bunch of cunts.

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I'm not ignorant, lazy (well sometimes, I'm retired  :P) or selfish, but I am horny.

Does that make me awkward too?

We're all very horny at the moment. Especially me.  :scare:

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The way this is written it presuppose there has been a positive change because of the virus and when it is over [ please read above from the bold onwards  ]       

 ;)                                               

Most will be okay but we have to do our part to help who are vulnerable.

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Surprising the number of concerned emails I have been receiving from grandchildren and great grandchildren who had previously apparently completely forgotten my existence.

Am I being unduly cynical in wondering whether this virus carries with it a faint whiff of Inheritance Hopes ?

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It’s because a lot of the youth are selfish Happylad. Not all, but a large portion.

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Surprising the number of concerned emails I have been receiving from grandchildren and great grandchildren who had previously apparently completely forgotten my existence.

Am I being unduly cynical in wondering whether this virus carries with it a faint whiff of Inheritance Hopes ?


I think a good yardstick would be this: the grandchildren who are sending these emails...do they normally send you a Christmas card?

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It’s because a lot of the youth are selfish Happylad. Not all, but a large portion.

Sadly not just the youth, a lot of older people are as well.

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Taking off my cynical hat for just one moment, hopefully a few people have learned a few important lessons.

And my God, half a million people have signed up to be NHS volunteers  :thumbsup:.

Out of utter shit, goodness may come. I think that must be in the Bible somewhere?

Luke 13 verse 6 onwards (KJV) has something about dunging a fig tree for it to produce fruit. No I am not a vicar. :hi:

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I knew it!!  :thumbsup:

So many people don't give a fig, and then you grow a fig tree out of the pile of shit!

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Luke 13 verse 6 onwards (KJV) has something about dunging a fig tree for it to produce fruit. No I am not a vicar. :hi:

That makes sense. My neighbour told me he puts manure on his rhubarb.

I told him we have custard on ours.   :wacko:

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Are there still gypsies operating their begging rings, in the other big cities?

Seems the police aren't bothered in the slightest.  One wonders why.

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I am not sure I would refer to Chinese liberalism government as Communist but I get the thrust of what the vid is suggesting.

I whole heartedly agree with Donald Trump 'THE CHINESE VIRUS' simpletto...
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I whole heartedly agree with Donald Trump 'THE CHINESE VIRUS' simpletto...

No ifs, No buts, (Sorry KT... No butts)   ;)

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Funny how Trump doesn't call the Worldwide financial crash of a few years ago, the American Mortgage Scam Crash, isn't it? (Obviously he could deny any involvement because he wasn't in power at the time, but same principle).

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Funny how Trump doesn't call the Worldwide financial crash of a few years ago, the American Mortgage Scam Crash, isn't it? (Obviously he could deny any involvement because he wasn't in power at the time, but same principle).

Now you're just talking a load of FANNIE.   :hi:

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Luke 13 verse 6 onwards (KJV) has something about dunging a fig tree for it to produce fruit. No I am not a vicar. :hi:

Hopefully not McVicar here  :P

I prefer this quote and song too  ;)

Matthew 13:12
Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

Cross-referencing with Matthew 25:29

"For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away".

And do join in here if you know the words WW  :dance: :dancegirl:

God Bless The Child - Billie Holiday

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Has the current virus affected peoples' values etc? 

When we come out of it, what type of society can we envisage?


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I do not think that quote is realistic. Just some idealistic waffle. There has been crises before, some people may come together for a short time and then it's back to business. Realistically, people are stuck at home stressed out by their kids or partners/both. Stranded on holiday, events cancelled, working from home, worried about their finances or scared shitless of going outside.

I would bet that odds are when this is over there will be a debate for a short while and then things will go back to normal. Most people just forget with time, apart from those directly impacted the most. I feel sorry for the US citizens though, the FED has sold their future generations into indentured financial servitude with the unlimited QE to save the markets... perhaps the UK and EU may go through the same, someone has to account for all this money being printed but it is not being discussed. Someone will foot the bill, and its's not going to be the 1%.  I hope in the US they get a debate going to get national free healthcare because its clear that the government could afford it.

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I do not think that quote is realistic. Just some idealistic waffle. There has been crises before, some people may come together for a short time and then it's back to business. Realistically, people are stuck at home stressed out by their kids or partners/both. Stranded on holiday, events cancelled, working from home, worried about their finances or scared shitless of going outside.

I would bet that odds are when this is over there will be a debate for a short while and then things will go back to normal. Most people just forget with time, apart from those directly impacted the most. I feel sorry for the US citizens though, the FED has sold their future generations into indentured financial servitude with the unlimited QE to save the markets... perhaps the UK and EU may go through the same, someone has to account for all this money being printed but it is not being discussed. Someone will foot the bill, and its's not going to be the 1%.  I hope in the US they get a debate going to get national free healthcare because its clear that the government could afford it.

By normal, take it you mean the last 5 to 10 years? If so, then think your wrong.

Austerity, market forces, public service cuts, 0 hours contracts etc etc. I think this crisis will change the dominant thinking, and think I have history on my side.

Up until about the late 1970's, the state was viewed much more favourably and government was there to regulate and manage for the public good. Think it would be difficult to argue now that the last 40 years have done much at all to protect the state and public services.

I really can't believe people will forget this time in a hurry and will therefore want a much bigger state and safety net.

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That makes sense. My neighbour told me he puts manure on his rhubarb.

I told him we have custard on ours.   :wacko:

Yes we really do need to keep our sense of humour through all this.  :hi:


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Clap for NHS: UK Gives Mass Round of Applause to NHS Workers For Their Help During The Coronavirus Outbreak  :drinks:

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I'm all for it, I went to the NHS Clap Clinic 2wks ago and they were briliant (that's actually true by the way).

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By normal, take it you mean the last 5 to 10 years? If so, then think your wrong.

Austerity, market forces, public service cuts, 0 hours contracts etc etc. I think this crisis will change the dominant thinking, and think I have history on my side.

Up until about the late 1970's, the state was viewed much more favourably and government was there to regulate and manage for the public good. Think it would be difficult to argue now that the last 40 years have done much at all to protect the state and public services.

I really can't believe people will forget this time in a hurry and will therefore want a much bigger state and safety net.

Do you really think so? I mean the last financial crisis in 2007-8 which the banks caused, wreaked havoc globally and obama bailed out the banks, left the poor people to saddle the toxic mortgages and get foreclosed. The ECB with the EU enforced austerity measures on the weaker members of the EU and no one was really able to do anything greece, italy, latvia, ireland are some victims. Italy is really paying the price now with lack of government funding over the years. Even before that, if you go back further to the time when "Thatcherism" was practiced, where the free market was promoted, selling nationalised companies to private bidders, cutting social measures and tax cuts for the well off... Were the masses able to do anything to stop her? No.

Going to the 07 crisis, some people reacted with new thoughts, but most people the only thing that changed was their awareness and their are still many people that do not even know how the banks caused the crisis, they just don't like banks and do not even know why. I think it's hard to campaign for change when you still need to make a living. I have not seen people act in large groups to move towards change for an extended period of time for the greater good like many years ago. I honestly think people will end up going back to some sort of living, it may not be immediate but within the next 5-10 years. The economy is more polarized than it has ever been due to the affects of the last finacial crisis and people just suck it up. I do not think this pandemic will push people over the edge to demand some sort of change like universal basic income. The airlines are getting bailouts this time in the US which spent their profits on share buybacks to shore up their share price and now the taxpayer is footing the bill. Donald Trump was even considering getting people to go back to work to save the economy as he does not want it to tank during the election year. In the UK it is not as bad in the US but really, the 1% are not going to foot this bill the government is spending now.

If I turn out to be wrong then fair enough, but when you look in history, most times when disaster has happened...there is short term demand for change, but it always goes back to who has the power in society in the end. Everytime, it has not been the masses.

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COVID-19 Lockdown: A Global Human Experiment

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It's not just domestic abuse cases that will rise due to the lockdown but also obesity, mental health problems, and physical health issues. Would love to know how the government is going to deal with tackling these issues before they get worse? A lot of families aren't perfect and living with each other on a daily basis and spending more time than usual could lead to problems. Remember we generally spend more time at work than we do with our families, so this is definitely a challenge for some people.

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Do you really think so? I mean the last financial crisis in 2007-8 which the banks caused, wreaked havoc globally and obama bailed out the banks, left the poor people to saddle the toxic mortgages and get foreclosed. The ECB with the EU enforced austerity measures on the weaker members of the EU and no one was really able to do anything greece, italy, latvia, ireland are some victims. Italy is really paying the price now with lack of government funding over the years. Even before that, if you go back further to the time when "Thatcherism" was practiced, where the free market was promoted, selling nationalised companies to private bidders, cutting social measures and tax cuts for the well off... Were the masses able to do anything to stop her? No.

Going to the 07 crisis, some people reacted with new thoughts, but most people the only thing that changed was their awareness and their are still many people that do not even know how the banks caused the crisis, they just don't like banks and do not even know why. I think it's hard to campaign for change when you still need to make a living. I have not seen people act in large groups to move towards change for an extended period of time for the greater good like many years ago. I honestly think people will end up going back to some sort of living, it may not be immediate but within the next 5-10 years. The economy is more polarized than it has ever been due to the affects of the last finacial crisis and people just suck it up. I do not think this pandemic will push people over the edge to demand some sort of change like universal basic income. The airlines are getting bailouts this time in the US which spent their profits on share buybacks to shore up their share price and now the taxpayer is footing the bill. Donald Trump was even considering getting people to go back to work to save the economy as he does not want it to tank during the election year. In the UK it is not as bad in the US but really, the 1% are not going to foot this bill the government is spending now.

If I turn out to be wrong then fair enough, but when you look in history, most times when disaster has happened...there is short term demand for change, but it always goes back to who has the power in society in the end. Everytime, it has not been the masses.

Think that's a fair point re the banking crisis and how most of the population got to pick up the bill whilst wankers...er bankers...got to carry on gambling  :thumbsdown:

I think this time is different as important as money is, health is more important and if the argument about the importance of public services isn't accepted now, then when?

As upsetting to accept it as it is, the impact of shutting down the country for weeks will make the banking crisis look like a blip I think.

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Think that's a fair point re the banking crisis and how most of the population got to pick up the bill whilst wankers...er bankers...got to carry on gambling  :thumbsdown:

I think this time is different as important as money is, health is more important and if the argument about the importance of public services isn't accepted now, then when?

As upsetting to accept it as it is, the impact of shutting down the country for weeks will make the banking crisis look like a blip I think.

I agree with you there. Time will tell I guess.

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It's not just domestic abuse cases that will rise due to the lockdown but also obesity, mental health problems, and physical health issues. Would love to know how the government is going to deal with tackling these issues before they get worse? A lot of families aren't perfect and living with each other on a daily basis and spending more time than usual could lead to problems. Remember we generally spend more time at work than we do with our families, so this is definitely a challenge for some people.

If you find any stories or statistics regarding any of these issues, please post them here, if of course this "off topic" thread still exists by the time any such data emerges. Suicides could possibly rise as well and I guess this would fit into the mental health group you mention.
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