Author Topic: One thing that will never change  (Read 5805 times)

Offline PatMacGroin

Rarely in my life have I seen such utter garbage written.

If the bbc said good morning to me I would check my watch.
 
I believe NOTHING the bbc says. They are habitual liars.

Notice I said BBC News. You may feel that the BBC is inaccurate in other documentary or political shows, especially when they don't support your views. However, those are generally opinion lead programming. So even if the Beeb says it tries to provide balanced output on the whole, it's practically impossible for individual shows to avoid favouring one perspective to some degree when discussing divisive issues.

I don't like all BBC political shows. Personally, I can't stand Fiona Bruce on Question Time. Not a patch on David Dimbleby.

When looking at News reporting the BBC don't issue knee jerk reactions like many commercial outlets. For example, the discussion about ibuprofen and covid19 that broke on the 17th of March.

Late in the afternoon of the 17th the BBC issued this considered report basically saying paracetamol is recommended over ibuprofen, but do not stop using ibuprofen because of fears about covid19, especially if it has been prescribed by your Dr for other conditions: External Link/Members Only

Whereas SKY News has the report linked below. This is the revised version re-issued at 16:52 that day, which still uses fairly sensationalist language to start before giving more responsible information later down the article. I read the original breaking news report when it was posted at around 12noon-1pm that day. Initially it suggested that ibuprofen actually accelerates the effect of covid19. Even saying that ibuprofen was believed to have caused the death of 4 teenagers in a Cork Hospital. Details it had taken directly from social media posts later shown to be fake news. It's still quoting twitter feeds from a French Health Minister to inject a bit of panic into the story: External Link/Members Only

At least you can rely on the BBC not to be down right dangerous in what it reports.

Offline NIK

On the other hand, there is a massive investment and spend in high quality TV drama. I speak of 'Game of Thrones', 'Homeland', 'The Americans', 'Mad Men' and the like.

No UK broadcaster, producer or streamer has the balls or the money to come up with anything close.

Cable TV and the streamers have streaked away from network programming.

Great to see you posting!
KN & Smiths!
Now I need to try to persuade JRC to come back. We’re still in touch but he’s not having any UKP.
We will probably get the return of James 999 instead.  :thumbsdown:

Offline King Nuts


Offline King Nuts

Great to see you posting!
KN & Smiths!
Now I need to try to persuade JRC to come back. We’re still in touch but he’s not having any UKP.
We will probably get the return of James 999 instead.  :thumbsdown:

Thanks NIK. Good to see plenty of the old gang here too.

Offline King Nuts


KN, good to see you back!  :thumbsup:

It's very, very difficult for anything produced in the UK (or any other English-speaking nation) to gain the kind of traction US-made TV has (including Prime and Netflix). They have such an enormous home market that they get a great headstart. That's why they can spend so much money and come up with so much good stuff.

Smaller broadcasters have to concentrate on more niche stuff (yet still be saleable around the world) or to get together to do co-productions.

In reality the same as so much else, it's very difficult for smaller nations to compete with the US for the same reason as above...their home market is a springboard. Hence Apple, Microsoft etc.

You've a point, but I don't think the TV market is anything like as regional as it once was.

Game of Thrones is a good example. US money got it started, and then the show took off internationally. Production was based in Belfast, where literally thousands of people were employed. Shoot also took place in Spain and around Europe.

Combination of hard cash, tax breaks, and income from regional broadcasters all worked together to make it the biggest show in the world, in terms of audience reach.


Offline winkywanky

You've a point, but I don't think the TV market is anything like as regional as it once was.

Game of Thrones is a good example. US money got it started, and then the show took off internationally. Production was based in Belfast, where literally thousands of people were employed. Shoot also took place in Spain and around Europe.

Combination of hard cash, tax breaks, and income from regional broadcasters all worked together to make it the biggest show in the world, in terms of audience reach.


Yes that's all true, and Hollywood in general is always very effusive about UK technical crew being amongst the best in the world.

And big US productions will like to use foreign locations for shooting - as well as some of the scenery being what they don't have at home, and the tax breaks other countries give for shooting there, when it comes to selling the programmes abroad, it also helps that those countries feel in some way involved.

That's all great, and certainly for the UK we need to try and use that as a kind of springboard to up our own national Film & TV production.

Apart from the financial aspect, culturally important too, because you don't always want to be looking at the world through the lens of Hollywood/the US.

Offline King Nuts


Yes that's all true, and Hollywood in general is always very effusive about UK technical crew being amongst the best in the world.

And big US productions will like to use foreign locations for shooting - as well as some of the scenery being what they don't have at home, and the tax breaks other countries give for shooting there, when it comes to selling the programmes abroad, it also helps that those countries feel in some way involved.

That's all great, and certainly for the UK we need to try and use that as a kind of springboard to up our own national Film & TV production.

Apart from the financial aspect, culturally important too, because you don't always want to be looking at the world through the lens of Hollywood/the US.

I accept that UK broadcasters don't have the same money to spend, but the gap is narrowing, and this is because there are more co-production deals going on.

In the old days (i.e. 5 or more like 10+ years ago) the BBC would commission, say, a six part drama. They'd spend about four or five million tops. It'd satisfy the domestic audience and maybe they'd get some foreign sales, which was all a nice bit of bunce on top.

Nowadays, the BBC will work with HBO/Amazon/Netflix/Hulu/Showtime/Apple+ and between them, they'd spend more like 18 or 20 million on a six part series.

The Yanks like shooting here because we're non-unionised, speak English, the dollar goes a long way, and there's tax breaks. We're also low on red tape, compared to pretty much any other EU country.

So the BBC has sort of been saved by economics, but unlike HBO etc, they lack the balls to commit. Which is why 'domestic' drama tends towards short runs of three to six episodes and mostly doesn't come back for series 2.

HBO at the start of Thrones made the decision that 10-episode series and at least six or seven series is the only way to really build up an audience. And it worked. Spectacularly, when you look at the worldwide numbers.




Offline winkywanky

Of course there will be a risk/benefit balance to be explored. I believe the BBC uses BBC Films to this end, and they've now set up a separate arm which is allowed to trade (the Charter had to be amended to allow this) along these lines, called BBC Studios.

They do tread a tightrope which allows them to be able to generate money outside, but still enables them to be seen as a 'home broadcaster', funded by the licence fee. The licence fee does undoubtedly make the BBC what it is, to its core, and that couold easily be jeopardised.

And what you won't know (there may be a way of finding out) is just how much homegrown stuff, BBC in particular, gets sold abroad.

Only one example, but Dr. Who would be a big one. It's big-budget and has an enormous following around the globe. Not on the scale of Game of Thrones, admittedly. They should be trying for that though. But if it becomes too successful the licence fee will be taken away, and the way the BBC is, will change forever.

It is tricky I think, and gradual steps are being taken.

Offline winkywanky

I'll say another thing, a long time ago the BBC explored buying up Youtube, way before it got really big.

It could (and would) have been an enormous moneyspinner. They were blocked by govt because it went against what the BBC was. Perhaps they also thought it would make the BBC too powerful as well? Understandable.

The 'nature' of the BBC which to so many makes it precious, is easily wrecked.

Gradual change, with a govt that is broadly sympathetic, would help.

Offline Xtro

Only one example, but Dr. Who would be a big one. It's big-budget and has an enormous following around the globe.

I see the next Dr Who Series has been cancelled.
It's set on the planet Vega, populated by multi coloured, multi religious tolerant vegans who have abandoned plastic under the guidance of an unelected council of 27 bureaucratic leaders.
The BBC said it was unrealistic as not one of the doctors companions was an Eskimo or a Zulu!   :sarcastic:

Offline winkywanky

You touch upon one (of many?) criticism of the BBC which I feel is well-founded these last few years.
 
It's got too preachy. It's telling you to be tolerant and inclusive, over and over, and it shouldn't be doing that.

Its job is to represent society, NOT tell society what it ought to be. That's possibly putting it a bit too bluntly, I think most people woulld expect the BBC to uphold Human Rights and to be against racism etc. But it has got very preachy, going as far as to introduce it into pretty well every drama it makes these days. It's a bit of a turn off TBH, and I have quite often changed channels over what would otherwise probably be good viewing.

I think I'm pretty liberally-minded and it pisses me off. So I can imagine it would alienate quite a few people.

John Humphrys alludes to this in his very good autobiography.





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Offline King Nuts

You touch upon one (of many?) criticism of the BBC which I feel is well-founded these last few years.
 
It's got too preachy. It's telling you to be tolerant and inclusive, over and over, and it shouldn't be doing that.

Its job is to represent society, NOT tell society what it ought to be. That's possibly putting it a bit too bluntly, I think most people woulld expect the BBC to uphold Human Rights and to be against racism etc. But it has got very preachy, going as far as to introduce it into pretty well every drama it makes these days. It's a bit of a turn off TBH, and I have quite often changed channels over what would otherwise probably be good viewing.

I think I'm pretty liberally-minded and it pisses me off. So I can imagine it would alienate quite a few people.

John Humphrys alludes to this in his very good autobiography.

You're right. I don't watch any more BBC drama any more, and for those reasons.

It's job IS to represent society, but when 'society' to the average BBC producer and script editor consists of 50 per cent non-Caucasians, 35 per cent homo-ists, and 90 per cent socialists (i.e. Islington) then they think they ARE representing a correct cross-section.

Meanwhile, outside the M25...

Offline winkywanky

We can see here how counterproductive that is!

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Great to see you posting!
KN & Smiths!
Now I need to try to persuade JRC to come back. We’re still in touch but he’s not having any UKP.
We will probably get the return of James 999 instead.  :thumbsdown:
If they find out off Topic is back I would expect them to pile in like the old days.  :hi:

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Offline NIK

If they find out off Topic is back I would expect them to pile in like the old days.   :D

I have told Jimmy off topic is back, but he says he won’t return as there are too many ‘lefty cunts’ .   :D
He now prefers to fight his battles on Twitter. Says he’s been called a racist, fascist, etc, so he knows he’s doing something right.  :D
As for James 999, maybe he’s finally started punting now that everyone else has stopped.  :D
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I have told Jimmy off topic is back, but he says he won’t return as there are too many ‘lefty cunts’ .   :D
He now prefers to fight his battles on Twitter. Says he’s been called a racist, fascist, etc, so he knows he’s doing something right.  :D
As for James 999, maybe he’s finally started punting now that everyone else has stopped.  :D
Great reply NIK, love the one about James.
Quite a few long established members have disappeared since January 2019 , 15 months ago. I cant help thing it ties in with the demise of Off Topic as well. All though I thing VW dropped out for other reasons!!
But I'm pleased to see you haven't.. :drinks:

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Another thing thats not changing is the number of guest to member ratios
ATM  384 Guests, 64 Users (0 Buddies), I mean who the bloody hell are they and its 5.32 am. :unknown:

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Another thing thats not changing is the number of guest to member ratios
ATM  384 Guests, 64 Users (0 Buddies), I mean who the bloody hell are they and its 5.32 am. :unknown:

 :lol: :lol: :lol: I am just researching Mr M

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morning Steve. Good to know that you are taking this research seriously as always. But its on the wrong thread. She is a big girl :hi: