Fury v Joshua

[mr.bluesky]

Not a great follower of boxing but if Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua meet in the ring who's your money on ? Mine would be on Fury after his recent performance

[lewisjones23]

To win, Joshua would need to get him out of there early - unless Eddie Hearn has bunged the judges a brown envelope.

No heavyweight currently fighting can beat Fury on points over 12 rounds - not only can he box excellently but his size and ability to switch styles makes him a nightmare to fight.

I’m sitting on the fence for the time being.

[CheeseBoard]

Fury would win any day of the week.

Joshua is one dimensional and can only fight people with a shorter reach.  He ducked Wilder and got beaten by a short fat Mexican who was bloated on Tacos before the fight.

No skill or natural ability, just size and reach = paper champ

I'm looking forward to Fury toying with him 

[lewisjones23]

Fury would win any day of the week.

Joshua is one dimensional and can only fight people with a shorter reach.  He ducked Wilder and got beaten by a short fat Mexican who was bloated on Tacos before the fight.

No skill or natural ability, just size and reach = paper champ

I'm looking forward to Fury toying with him 

Joshua does carry proper heavyweight power - if Fury had the same power and some of the big hitting HW then it wouldnt even be a contest against anyone

[Davey Dykes]

Fury does not have a concussive single shot, everyone agrees with that.

But tellingly he has enough of a shot that no-one has tried to walk through him, in recent memory at least. Although I find him generally dull to watch, heavyweight boxing being the Glamour and worst division rolled into one so that's not just him, he has a very smart boxers head, excellent footwork for a man of his stature and good all-round skills. There's no-one out there to beat him at the moment other than himself.

[lewisjones23]

anyone gets hit by a 19 stone man who has solid technique and turns in to the punch then they are going to feel it and not want to try walk it down

its just not possible with any of the true heavyweights to walk them down

[CheeseBoard]

anyone gets hit by a 19 stone man who has solid technique and turns in to the punch then they are going to feel it and not want to try walk it down

its just not possible with any of the true heavyweights to walk them down

Very true these days.

Back in the day when boxing was boxing, Mike Tyson would have done it.   All the right ingredients (good and bad) of a true champ.  Including his promoter. Reach, height and power of his opponents didnt bother him

[hillingdonpete]

It would be an embarassment for Joshua.  Fury is in a different league.

[Belgarion]

Funny how people are writing off Joshua, an Olympic champion.

He has also beaten more top 10 fighters than Fury and Wilder combined.

If it goes to 12 rounds, I think Fury would beat him on points.  I don't think it will get to 12 rounds and Joshua would knock him out.

[Davey Dykes]

I wouldn't write him off, it's heavyweight boxing after all and he's a big, strong lad. One punch could finish it.

Being an Olympic champion means nothing, Audley Harrison ring a bell? I agree that whilst Joshua has done a decent job in his pro-career overall his flexibility and jaw have huge questions still to answer. Fury has been flat on his arse with huge shots before and gotten up again.

I'd struggle to see any other outcome than a points or TKO win for Fury.

[MrMatrix]

I wouldn't write him off, it's heavyweight boxing after all and he's a big, strong lad. One punch could finish it.

Being an Olympic champion means nothing, Audley Harrison ring a bell? I agree that whilst Joshua has done a decent job in his pro-career overall his flexibility and jaw have huge questions still to answer. Fury has been flat on his arse with huge shots before and gotten up again.

I'd struggle to see any other outcome than a points or TKO win for Fury.

I'd have to agree with this, quite asute observation IMO. Fury to win.

[Kool Keef]

If Wilder couldn't knock Fury out I can't see Joshua managing it.
Tyson would win without much trouble imo, especially if he stays training with the Kronk guys.
I can't take AJ seriously after that Mexican cab driver banged him out.

[lewisjones23]

If Wilder couldn't knock Fury out I can't see Joshua managing it.
Tyson would win without much trouble imo, especially if he stays training with the Kronk guys.
I can't take AJ seriously after that Mexican cab driver banged him out.

Wilder is an awful boxer, skills wise, compared to other elite level boxers - what got him there was his freakish power that he carries

Joshua has better fundamentals than Wilder so is better placed to get to Fury - I’m still not sure that he would be able to land clean on a fully fit and focussed Fury though

[Kool Keef]

Wilder is an awful boxer, skills wise, compared to other elite level boxers - what got him there was his freakish power that he carries

Joshua has better fundamentals than Wilder so is better placed to get to Fury - I’m still not sure that he would be able to land clean on a fully fit and focussed Fury though

I know Wilder is technically awful, the point I was making was that in the first fight  he hit Fury with his best shot, power that had given him one of the best KO records in Heavyweight history & he still couldn't put him away so the chances of AJ knocking Fury out or beating him up aren't great imo

[lewisjones23]

I know Wilder is technically awful, the point I was making was that in the first fight  he hit Fury with his best shot, power that had given him one of the best KO records in Heavyweight history & he still couldn't put him away so the chances of AJ knocking Fury out or beating him up aren't great imo

Yeah but its also about landing punches that the opponent isnt expecting or doesnt see coming - they are the ones that do the most damage

Joshua has a better chance of landing one like that due to his better (than Wilder) boxing ability. For all Wilder’s power, he doesnt half telegraph the right hand - giving the opponent the chance to move and slip the punch.

Fury is a freak though, his movement is unreal for a man of that size - his only flaw is that he doesnt have massive power, although as I’ve said previously, any punch off a 19 stone man will hurt

[Kool Keef]

Yeah but its also about landing punches that the opponent isnt expecting or doesnt see coming - they are the ones that do the most damage

Joshua has a better chance of landing one like that due to his better (than Wilder) boxing ability. For all Wilder’s power, he doesnt half telegraph the right hand - giving the opponent the chance to move and slip the punch.

Fury is a freak though, his movement is unreal for a man of that size - his only flaw is that he doesnt have massive power, although as I’ve said previously, any punch off a 19 stone man will hurt

The aggressive style of the Kronk gym seems to suit Fury, hope he stays with them

[thekingreturns]

Would be a totally different fight to Wilder vs Fury.... Joshua can box whereas Wilder cant.... Not saying he would beat Fury but would be a more interesting fight than people think

[lewisjones23]

The aggressive style of the Kronk gym seems to suit Fury, hope he stays with them

Yeah some of his fights have been awful to watch when he has deployed negative/spoiler tactics

Nothing worse than 12 rounds of hugging

[Belgarion]

I wouldn't write him off, it's heavyweight boxing after all and he's a big, strong lad. One punch could finish it.

Being an Olympic champion means nothing, Audley Harrison ring a bell? I agree that whilst Joshua has done a decent job in his pro-career overall his flexibility and jaw have huge questions still to answer. Fury has been flat on his arse with huge shots before and gotten up again.

I'd struggle to see any other outcome than a points or TKO win for Fury.

Questions exist but they so because he has fought serious boxers.

Fury has fought Klitschko and Wilder, and Wilder is a bum with a right hand.

12 rounds I'll go with Fury but Joshua can knock him out.

[Kool Keef]

Questions exist but they so because he has fought serious boxers.

Fury has fought Klitschko and Wilder, and Wilder is a bum with a right hand.

12 rounds I'll go with Fury but Joshua can knock him out.

Wilder is a bum with a right hand that had sparked everyone put in front of him before he met Fury.
Joshua was beaten by Andy Ruiz if you wanna talk bums though lol

[Matrix]

Wilder is a bum with a right hand that had sparked everyone put in front of him before he met Fury.
Joshua was beaten by Andy Ruiz if you wanna talk bums though lol

He's also looked ropey in every fight he's had since Povetkin broke his nose at the end of round 1.  If that had happened 30 seconds earlier, into the round, he'd had been ko'd.

[badsin]

Furys size makes him look clumsy, however his movement is phenomenal. The movement actually helped him win the second fight, imo, as a lot of the blows from Wilder were glancing as Fury moved so well.
AJ, he'd shit it walking into the ring to fight Fury (so would I)

[lewisjones23]

Wilder is a bum with a right hand that had sparked everyone put in front of him before he met Fury.
Joshua was beaten by Andy Ruiz if you wanna talk bums though lol

Ruiz, when he is fit and motivated, is all wrong for Joshua

Joshua also underestimated Ruiz in the first fight and thought he could fight fire with fire but was constantly beaten to the punch when exchanging.

The second fight he kept his distance and just did what he needed to do - that coupled with Ruiz becoming even more of a fat piece of shit made Ruiz look like a bum, in reality he isn’t a bad fighter, just has the wrong mentality

The fighting style of a boxer and the ability to adjust mid-fight is an important factor in the ultimate outcome of a fight.

[badsin]

The fighting style of a boxer and the ability to adjust mid-fight is an important factor in the ultimate outcome of a fight.

That sums up Fury

[lewisjones23]

That sums up Fury

Yeah he can fight in various different ways to elite standard

Most boxers have one style and the cracks show when that isnt working.

The best boxers figure out their opponent, adjust accordingly and win easily

[badsin]

AJ currently in SI after meeting Prince Charles

[CheeseBoard]

AJ currently in SI after meeting Prince Charles

He is now getting knocked out by people in their 70's 

[Davey Dykes]

Questions exist but they so because he has fought serious boxers.

Fury has fought Klitschko and Wilder, and Wilder is a bum with a right hand.

12 rounds I'll go with Fury but Joshua can knock him out.

This is very true but he has also fought, and beaten, Dereck Chisora. Say what you like about Dereck, he's far from being silky but he is one tough bastard who'd easily take care of Wilder IMHO and any win against him will be earned the hard way. To balance that out Joshua has fought and beaten Dillian Whyte who is very similar but with better boxing skills so as you suggest it could well be a more interesting fight than some may imagine.

[MrMatrix]

Ruiz, when he is fit and motivated, is all wrong for Joshua

Joshua also underestimated Ruiz in the first fight and thought he could fight fire with fire but was constantly beaten to the punch when exchanging.

The second fight he kept his distance and just did what he needed to do - that coupled with Ruiz becoming even more of a fat piece of shit made Ruiz look like a bum, in reality he isn’t a bad fighter, just has the wrong mentality

The fighting style of a boxer and the ability to adjust mid-fight is an important factor in the ultimate outcome of a fight.

Agreed, but I dont think Joshua really recovered from that unexpected first knock down. He wasnt the same after that

[lewisjones23]

Agreed, but I dont think Joshua really recovered from that unexpected first knock down. He wasnt the same after that

agree - was totally scrambled

[Belgarion]

Wilder is a bum with a right hand that had sparked everyone put in front of him before he met Fury.
Joshua was beaten by Andy Ruiz if you wanna talk bums though lol

Ruiz is not a bum, Parker who is no slouch struggled with him.

Joshua has fought; Parker, Whyte, Povetkin, Ruiz, Brezeale, Klitschko.

Fury and Wilder combined have fought Ortiz, Brezeale, Klitschko and each other. Wilder ducked Klitschko as well. Wilder also ran away from Whyte.

AJs opponents have been far more impressive than anyone Fury and Wilder have faced.

Anyone that thinks Fury would beat Joshua the way he beat Wilder is just wrong.

[lewisjones23]

Ruiz is not a bum, Parker who is no slouch struggled with him.

Joshua has fought; Parker, Whyte, Povetkin, Ruiz, Brezeale, Klitschko.

Fury and Wilder combined have fought Ortiz, Brezeale, Klitschko and each other. Wilder ducked Klitschko as well. Wilder also ran away from Whyte.

AJs opponents have been far more impressive than anyone Fury and Wilder have faced.

Anyone that thinks Fury would beat Joshua the way he beat Wilder is just wrong.

Agree with most of that but I think just by being the man that ended the reign of Klitschko and Wilder, Fury has the better record

Joshua has more names on his but he got them at the right time

I look at things this way, Klitschko couldnt land a glove on Fury but he gave Joshua all kinds of trouble - The more I think about it I lean towards a Fury win, all be it with the thought that Joshua could also end it early if he catches him

[Kool Keef]

AJs opponents have been far more impressive than anyone Fury and Wilder have faced.

Fury went to Klitschko's back yard & dethroned him, he then did the same to Wilder.
AJ struggled with a shot Klitschko & ducked Wilder.

[Sparta Prada]

The only areas where Joshua may be better than Fury are maybe speed and power, and these could be argued either way.

But Fury seems more tactically astute, has a better defence, better chin. It's difficult to see anything other than a Fury win if both are at their peak.

[Belgarion]

Fury went to Klitschko's back yard & dethroned him, he then did the same to Wilder.
AJ struggled with a shot Klitschko & ducked Wilder.

AJ never ducked Wilder. Wilder was running from him.

Fury said the only reason Wilder fought him was that he had made them think he was after a pay day and was finished.

Wilder is a coward

[lewisjones23]

AJ never ducked Wilder. Wilder was running from him.

Fury said the only reason Wilder fought him was that he had made them think he was after a pay day and was finished.

Wilder is a coward

AJ / Wilder - not sure what side of the story to believe, boxing negotiations are very complicated

Agree that Wilder thought Fury was finished though

[badsin]

AJ / Wilder - not sure what side of the story to believe, boxing negotiations are very complicated

Agree that Wilder thought Fury was finished though

Wilder slagging Fury off when he was at possibly his lowest ebb seemed to help motivate Fury to get into some sort of shape for the first fight.

[Kool Keef]

AJ never ducked Wilder. Wilder was running from him.

Fury said the only reason Wilder fought him was that he had made them think he was after a pay day and was finished.

Wilder is a coward

Eddie Hearn & AJ were ducking Wilder, it's what Hearn does.
They thought Ruiz would be an easy fight.
Wilder ain't got much going for him has he?
Bum & coward 

[Belgarion]

Eddie Hearn & AJ were ducking Wilder, it's what Hearn does.
They thought Ruiz would be an easy fight.
Wilder ain't got much going for him has he?
Bum & coward 

Wilder ducked Joshua. An offer was put on the table and he chose to fight Ortiz again.

[Kool Keef]

Wilder ducked Joshua. An offer was put on the table and he chose to fight Ortiz again.

According to Eddie Hearn 

[mr.bluesky]

Perhaps somebody can explain to me why do we have so many governing bodies running boxing WBA WBC IBF etc . Is World boxing run by the Yanks  All other major sports have just one governing body. Football (Fifa) formula 1( FIA) Motor cycle racing ( FIM) etc

[daviemac]

Perhaps somebody can explain to me why do we have so many governing bodies running boxing WBA WBC IBF etc . Is World boxing run by the Yanks  All other major sports have just one governing body. Football (Fifa) formula 1 ( FIA) Motor cycle racing ( FIM) etc

They all had different rules and regulations at one time, some used to go to 15 rounds others 12 before it was standardised at 12.

BTW MMA has several different governing bodies / promotion companies as well. Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC), Bellator MMA, Fight Nights Global (FNG) to name 3 plus the woman's  Invicta FC (all female MMA).

[ratedj]

They all had different rules and regulations at one time, some used to go to 15 rounds others 12 before it was standardised at 12.

BTW MMA has several different governing bodies / promotion companies as well. Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC), Bellator MMA, Fight Nights Global (FNG) to name 3 plus the woman's  Invicta FC (all female MMA).

With boxing I think it has now become a can of worms, with mandatory challengers for different divisions. To me it is to the detriment of the sport, as the bureaucracy sometimes gets in the way of big fights being made. At least with MMA it is nowhere to the same extent. Following the dissolution of Pride the UFC became the prominent entity. Bar Fedor Emelianenko every top MMA fighter has eventually made their way to the UFC.

[daviemac]

With boxing I think it has now become a can of worms, with mandatory challengers for different divisions. To me it is to the detriment of the sport, as the bureaucracy sometimes gets in the way of big fights being made. At least with MMA it is nowhere to the same extent. Following the dissolution of Pride the UFC became the prominent entity. Bar Fedor Emelianenko every top MMA fighter has eventually made their way to the UFC.

Year, spot on, I don't know if it's me not remembering correctly but there seems to be more governing bodies in boxing mow than there were years ago.

In MMA UFC is the place to be for fighters, there's obscene amounts of money in that.  Do you ever watch the press conference tours they do to promote the big fights.

[ratedj]

Year, spot on, I don't know if it's me not remembering correctly but there seems to be more governing bodies in boxing mow than there were years ago.

In MMA UFC is the place to be for fighters, there's obscene amounts of money in that.  Do you ever watch the press conference tours they do to promote the big fights.

Yeah, I have done. I was in NY last year when they had one there but I stupidly did not go. It's crazy when you look at where the UFC was when it first started to where it is now.

[daviemac]

Yeah, I have done. I was in NY last year when they had one there but I stupidly did not go. It's crazy when you look at where the UFC was when it first started to where it is now.

It's come a very long way in a relatively short space of time.

[spiralnotebook]

I remember watching a documentary many years ago about UK wrestling (when it was very popular) and one of the questions raised was regarding the accusations of matches being `fixed` or choreographed. The reply from one of the well known wrestlers was ` the bout would be over in 30 seconds if it was not choreographed`. This reply always stuck with me when considering some of the contact sports.

Oh and Fury to knock the prats block off.