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Offline Gordon Bennett

Does anyone feel inclined to support their favourite escort(s) by advancing them money for your next booking, buying their camming or phone/SMS services, purchasing galleries/movies or some other mechanism?
I personally don't, would not consider it in a million years. I can't say I have a fave or regular at the moment anyway but even thinking back a few years to when I was rather taken with one lady and seeing her regularly I still wouldn't being helping her out now or whatever you'd call it.
I suspect quite a few escorts will be stretching/bending boundaries at the moment and subtlety inducing some of their "dearest" and "most special" men who are really "more like friends than clients" to keep stumping up for services. I also suspect that some clowns will fall for it too.

Offline winkywanky

Perhaps a good way forward would be to offer some money up-front, to be recouped as a punt when the WG starts working again.

But how many would trust a WG (even a regular) with that?  :D

Offline cotton

If your that special she would still fuck you , its not like the corona virus is that big of a deal anyway.

Offline winkywanky

If your that special she would still fuck you , its not like the corona virus is that big of a deal anyway.


..I cannot believe I am reading that  :lol:

Offline Beamer

If your that special she would still fuck you , its not like the corona virus is that big of a deal anyway.

What planet are on?
Surely you don't actually mean what you have just published??   :dash:
« Last Edit: March 19, 2020, 02:48:11 pm by Beamer »

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I’ve had several regs over the years but none at the moment. It’d be a no from me in any case

Offline southcoastpunter

its not like the corona virus is that big of a deal anyway.


Whether we think it a "big deal" or not, its hard to deny that it is having a major impact on some/many businesses - and probably on WG's too. However whether we support WG's in THAT way is a different issue.

I have, in the past, paid in advance to one WG that was a regular and I trusted her so paid cash into her bank account a few days in advance of our meet as she had kids to support. For me that was a one off.

Now days, I wouldn't do it - as we don't know just how long this is going to go on for.

Offline cotton

What planet are on?
Surely you don't actually mean what you have just published.   :dash:
Seems like its only a big deal because its being made into a big deal , as far as i can see it only critically affects a small proportion of the population but rather than just telling those vulnerable to self isolate which is sensible its being whipped up into hysteria where peoople are panic buying and now they are predicting rioting and civil unrest , just seems a bit ott to me.
Anyway i guess we shoudnt turn this into a corona virus topic and i apologise for inadvertently doing so.

Offline winkywanky

Seems like its only a big deal because its being made into a big deal , as far as i can see it only critically affects a small proportion of the population but rather than just telling those vulnerable to self isolate which is sensible its being whipped up into hysteria where peoople are panic buying and now they are predicting rioting and civil unrest , just seems a bit ott to me.
Anyway i guess we shoudnt turn this into a corona virus topic and i apologise for inadvertently doing so.


Even if that's the reason, that alone makes it a big deal.

People are dying, many more will die, and the economic ramifications are probably going to be bigger than the financial crash of 10yrs ago.

And in case you're one of those people that thinks it's no worse than the seasonal flu which hits every year, well yes it is, because no-one has any immunity and there's no vaccine.

You're just totally wrong on every level. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't real  :unknown:.

I guess the only way people like you will ever understand is if you lose a close and/or dear family member. I don't wish that upon you, but it would make you see some sense.

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Punting is a transactional business with money at point of "sale".

Extending lines of credit in either direction makes this a "relationship", a social compact requiring faith, trust and good will.  I thought many on here are either already "married" and trying to escape it's confines or aren't "married" and have no intention of being so beholden?  Genuine sugardaddying is a separate activity to punting and rightly segregated on this board.  PPM sugarbabies are deluded prostitutes and arguably should be discussed.

Alms is charity, charity is giving without condition of compensation.


Offline winkywanky

...I can't see anyone receiving their reward in Heaven, either...

Offline EUGENE TACKLEBERRY

I will only be seeing my favourite girl(s)3 max, but i am goin to reduce at least 50% probably more, as im home off work now for probably 3 months minimum, ive decent savings but cant spend it all on a luxury pursuit.

Ive plenty i can occupy my mind with

Also depends if my go to girls are working...if not ill be on full yorkshire money saving  :hi:

« Last Edit: March 19, 2020, 03:15:55 pm by EUGENE TACKLEBERRY »

Offline bender999

If your that special she would still fuck you , its not like the corona virus is that big of a deal anyway.

I always suspected Donald Trump was a member of this group and now I know it's true.

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Even if that's the reason, that alone makes it a big deal.

People are dying, many more will die, and the economic ramifications are probably going to be bigger than the financial crash of 10yrs ago.

And in case you're one of those people that thinks it's no worse than the seasonal flu which hits every year, well yes it is, because no-one has any immunity and there's no vaccine.

You're just totally wrong on every level. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't real  :unknown:.

I guess the only way people like you will ever understand is if you lose a close and/or dear family member. I don't wish that upon you, but it would make you see some sense.

All evidence to date is that the lethality of this health threat (amongst the plethora of others we were coexisting "calmly and prosperously" with before) is skewed to the retired, frail segment of the population.  Sure there are a few caveated exceptions, but until it mutates and starts killing everyone indiscriminately this is not a situation worth the hysteria being propagated or attributed.

Evolution is about acquired immunity, human intervention supplements this.  Human capacity is indeed promising but we are decades away from approaching the suppression of Nature's will.  Even if we follow the path of transplanting everyone into an eternal, digital realm that is best part of a century at least?  Crippling the world economy in the hope that the few qualified individuals will discover and manufacture a cure to save us while we inactively wait is sheer stupidity.  Thinking we can do it placidly is completely deluded unless the authorities are going to unwind the complete financial fabric of society and suspend all expense and debt.  Done under current standards a vaccine is a year away.  Starve a person of livelihood and they will die within weeks.  Chances of them doing something desperate before then, an absolute certainty.  Which is the potentially greater killer now?

Death comes to us all, we'd all prefer later rather than sooner but those who've already had a good innings cannot expect the young to indulge them at peril to themselves.  Defying Nature is pretty futile, billions of years of successful (for Nature) evolution has cast the model we work in.  Mediating your own behaviour to better your chances is one thing, exerting restraint on another's freedoms is breeding conflict. Human history certainly shows this, most communal, voluntary animal societies also abide by this, shit even collabortive plant communities do.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2020, 03:33:24 pm by LLPunting »

Offline winkywanky

All evidence to date is that the lethality of this health threat (amongst the plethora of others we were coexisting "calmly and prosperously" with before) is skewed to the retired, frail segment of the population.  Sure there are a few caveated exceptions, but until it mutates and starts killing everyone indiscriminately this is not a situation worth the hysteria being propagated or attributed.

Evolution is about acquired immunity, human intervention supplements this.  Human capacity is indeed promising but we are decades away from approaching the suppression of Nature's will.  Even if we follow the path of transplanting everyone into an eternal, digital realm that is best part of a century at least?  Crippling the world economy in the hope that the few qualified individuals will discover and manufacture a cure to save us while we inactively wait is sheer stupidity.  Thinking we can do it placidly is completely deluded unless the authorities are going to unwind the complete financial fabric of society and suspend all expense and debt.  Done under current standards a vaccine is a year away.  Starve a person of livelihood and they will die within weeks.  Chances of them doing something desperate before then, an absolute certainty.  Which is the potentially greater killer now?

Death comes to us all, we'd all prefer later rather than sooner but those who've already had a good innings cannot expect the young to indulge them at peril to themselves.  Defying Nature is pretty futile, billions of years of successful (for Nature) evolution has cast the model we work in.  Mediating your own behaviour to better your chances is one thing, exerting restraint on another's freedoms is breeding conflict. Human history certainly shows this, most communal, voluntary animal societies also abide by this, shit even collabortive plant communities do.


I didn't say there hasn't been an overreaction in some quarters (and there has, panic-buying and avoiding Asian people are just two examples).

I said it's a big deal. It patently is a big deal.

If we don't take evasive action, very many people will die. Yes, they'll be mainly the old and/or already ill, but how many of us don't have nearest and dearest who fit into those categories? Many of us here are in that category.

Those are the simple facts. What's also a simple fact is that at some point the crisis will be over (hopefully with not too many recriminations about what more could have been done) and also at some point there'll be a vaccine. And yes, some people will acquire immunity in the meantime. Of course the older and frail may not have that luxury. Until such times, this virus will kill much more effectively that flu does. It's a bit like the flu starting from scratch, rather than returning every year in a slightly different form. We can deal with that pretty effectively. This is a lot different.

So yes, it is a big deal. Let's all get over it as quickly as possible, with the fewest deaths possible, and with as much of our economy intact as possible. And let's be realistic that there is inevitably a balance to be drawn between those two things, as well as making sure the NHS doen't get overwhelmed, because if it does, your loved ones being turned away from hospitals to die won't go down too well with those on the receiving end.

Offline king tarzan

If your that special she would still fuck you , its not like the corona virus is that big of a deal anyway.

Nick Cotton??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Banned reason: Misogynist who gets free bookings from agencies for pos reviews.
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Offline winkywanky

Evolution is about acquired immunity, human intervention supplements this.  Human capacity is indeed promising but we are decades away from approaching the suppression of Nature's will.  Even if we follow the path of transplanting everyone into an eternal, digital realm that is best part of a century at least?  Crippling the world economy in the hope that the few qualified individuals will discover and manufacture a cure to save us while we inactively wait is sheer stupidity.


So you're actually saying we should effectively do nothing and simply let it run its course?

That's an opinion and an option.

But then what happens with the enormous surge of those has-beens who need critical care beds? Do they get sent away to die? Or do we let them fill all the beds as they arrrive and then leave RTA victims lying bleeding in the road to die? Or what about all the elective surgery that needs doing, or even the 'routine' stuff which keeps productive members of society alive.

That sounds more stupid to me.

Online RandomGuy99

I wouldn't have a major problem with it if the SP in question was someone I trusted.  However, most SPs have a rainy day fund, which will keep them going for a while if they need to stop bookings or there is a wider lockdown.

BTW: Once people start recovering from this are we all going to have to start wearing badges or something to indicate we have or have not had the virus, so that people who have had the virus can see each other and those that haven't can avoid or deliberately seek out (if you want to get it, so you can get on with your life) those that have had it?

COVID19 Recovered vs COVID19 Not Exposed.

You'd probably need to do it for a couple of years or until a vaccine is available and people are inoculated against it.

Offline Payyourwaymate

Does anyone feel inclined to support their favourite escort(s) by advancing them money for your next booking, buying their camming or phone/SMS services, purchasing galleries/movies or some other mechanism?
I personally don't, would not consider it in a million years. I can't say I have a fave or regular at the moment anyway but even thinking back a few years to when I was rather taken with one lady and seeing her regularly I still wouldn't being helping her out now or whatever you'd call it.
I suspect quite a few escorts will be stretching/bending boundaries at the moment and subtlety inducing some of their "dearest" and "most special" men who are really "more like friends than clients" to keep stumping up for services. I also suspect that some clowns will fall for it too.


It's a transactional interaction between punter and WG, nothing personal. If a punter ran out of money would a WG give them a free fuck? Like...

WG: "hey hun I know times are hard for you workwise at the moment, let me suck your dick and help you feel better"


Punter: "Oh how thoughtful of you....Thanks babes you know it's hard right now, when I'm back on my feet I'll swing your way with the £££££ don't worry  :rose:"

I think not.

Any men that fall for such tricks of emotional manipulation from a woman that takes money in exchange for sexual services almost deserve to be scammed for their foolishness and naivety. It's the WGs job to lie to you, why would the lies suddenly be genuine now?
« Last Edit: March 19, 2020, 04:08:56 pm by Payyourwaymate »

Online LLPunting


I didn't say there hasn't been an overreaction in some quarters (and there has, panic-buying and avoiding Asian people are just two examples).

I said it's a big deal. It patently is a big deal.

If we don't take evasive action, very many people will die. Yes, they'll be mainly the old and/or already ill, but how many of us don't have nearest and dearest who fit into those categories? Many of us here are in that category.

Those are the simple facts. What's also a simple fact is that at some point the crisis will be over (hopefully with not too many recriminations about what more could have been done) and also at some point there'll be a vaccine. And yes, some people will acquire immunity in the meantime. Of course the older and frail may not have that luxury. Until such times, this virus will kill much more effectively that flu does. It's a bit like the flu starting from scratch, rather than returning every year in a slightly different form. We can deal with that pretty effectively. This is a lot different.

So yes, it is a big deal. Let's all get over it as quickly as possible, with the fewest deaths possible, and with as much of our economy intact as possible. And let's be realistic that there is inevitably a balance to be drawn between those two things, as well as making sure the NHS doen't get overwhelmed, because if it does, your loved ones being turned away from hospitals to die won't go down too well with those on the receiving end.

Agreed.

But sufficient mitigative action would be the proximity isolation of the most vulnerable, regardless of age, NOT the broad isolation of everyone, the vast majority of whom, evidence suggests would suffer no more than a week's inconvenience if infected.  It seems that the current messaging from authorities is that the mortality of some is being inextricably tied to the critical health of all.  Nobody has yet explained why the rest of resilient society cannot be allowed to continue to function with the proper limited isolations enforced.


Online LLPunting

I wouldn't have a major problem with it if the SP in question was someone I trusted.  However, most SPs have a rainy day fund, which will keep them going for a while if they need to stop bookings or there is a wider lockdown.

BTW: Once people start recovering from this are we all going to have to start wearing badges or something to indicate we have or have not had the virus, so that people who have had the virus can see each other and those that haven't can avoid or deliberately seek out (if you want to get it, so you can get on with your life) those that have had it?

COVID19 Recovered vs COVID19 Not Exposed.

You'd probably need to do it for a couple of years or until a vaccine is available and people are inoculated against it.

We don't wear badges about any other contageous, potentially lethal, afflictions we survive, why should there be discrimination for this one?

Wise SPs put money aside, just like wise civilians should be putting some of their earnings aside, given the level of reported debt and the brief being voiced about the lockdowns how many "wise" people do you think there are who earn less than 50k pa?

Offline winkywanky

Agreed.

But sufficient mitigative action would be the proximity isolation of the most vulnerable, regardless of age, NOT the broad isolation of everyone, the vast majority of whom, evidence suggests would suffer no more than a week's inconvenience if infected.  It seems that the current messaging from authorities is that the mortality of some is being inextricably tied to the critical health of all.  Nobody has yet explained why the rest of resilient society cannot be allowed to continue to function with the proper limited isolations enforced.

This is all about mathematical modelling to a large degree, and applying that to society, a bunch of self-centred basically stupid people (I include myself in that) who never do what you tell them...it's a bit like herding cats.

Isolating just the vulnerable. Hmm, sounds like a plan. I don't know how practical that would be? (And I'm not disagreeing with it). Sooo many vulnerable people, in different situations, of various ages, living in mixed households sometimes, others living in institutions, many are in hospital, many live alone...I just don't know. Including people with the various at-risk diseases, people over say, 70, we're talking millions, probably tens of millions.

Would that work?  :unknown:

Would it work any better than what we're doing now?  :unknown:

Offline winkywanky

It will all come out in the endless enquiries and post-mortems which will follow for years after.

We just need to hope society comes out intact, because this could be ten times more divisive than Brexit (which no doubt will be delayed now, whether Boris likes it or not  :D).

Online LLPunting

This is all about mathematical modelling to a large degree, and applying that to society, a bunch of self-centred basically stupid people (I include myself in that) who never do what you tell them...it's a bit like herding cats.

Isolating just the vulnerable. Hmm, sounds like a plan. I don't know how practical that would be? (And I'm not disagreeing with it). Sooo many vulnerable people, in different situations, of various ages, living in mixed households sometimes, others living in institutions, many are in hospital, many live alone...I just don't know. Including people with the various at-risk diseases, people over say, 70, we're talking millions, probably tens of millions.

Would that work?  :unknown:

Would it work any better than what we're doing now?  :unknown:

The current evidence suggests that a minority of the population who happen to be unlikely to be the working population that maintains the running of all the support services required by the vulnerable as well as the sustenance of the entire society.  Think about that...

20+ million age/medical retirees who spend much of their time out of close, persistent proximity with the working population.  Properly respected social distancing and compensatory (increased employment) support action would mitigate complete loss of access e.g. segregated seating, dedicated hours of access, more regular dial-a-ride with fewer passengers per trip and short trip lengths.  Services given the freedom and support to think for themselves how best to adapt their offerings will be far more effective than waiting for government with no category knowledge to come up with some cock-eyed contrivance.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2020, 04:57:46 pm by LLPunting »

Offline winkywanky

I'm gonna be really boring and ask you for your source.

Offline Hobbit

I would never consider it as it would go against my number one rule "never trust hookers".

We are all struggling at this time and we will need to find a way to manage it. Asking for free money is not the way forward and I doubt many escorts would even do that regardless of how close they are to their regulars.

Remember, any sense of attachment is only EAS and a figment in our minds. For them, it's just a business transaction and will always be, so it's good to keep it that way by remembering it for what it is and not for what it isn't. :hi:
« Last Edit: March 19, 2020, 04:58:35 pm by Hobbit »

Offline Vice Admiral

Punting is a transactional business with money at point of "sale" ...  Extending lines of credit in either direction makes this a "relationship", a social compact requiring faith, trust and good will.  ... Alms is charity, charity is giving without condition of compensation.

Very wise words.  And beautifully put.

The problem with advancing funds is that, when in due course repayment for the advance is factored into the next transaction, the advancee generally feels short-changed.

Illogical – but, psychologically speaking, inevitable.  Human nature.

Offline winkywanky

The current evidence suggests that a minority of the population who happen to be unlikely to be the working population that maintains the running of all the support services required by the vulnerable as well as the sustenance of the entire society.  Think about that...

20+ million age/medical retirees who spend much of their time out of close, persistent proximity with the working population.  Properly respected social distancing and compensatory (increased employment) support action would mitigate complete loss of access e.g. segregated seating, dedicated hours of access, more regular dial-a-ride with fewer passengers per trip and short trip lengths.  Services given the freedom and support to think for themselves how best to adapt their offerings will be far more effective than waiting for government with no category knowledge to come up with some cock-eyed contrivance.



Ah, you've now edited.

So on the basis of the above, roughly a third of the total UK population are age/medical retirees.

Add to that the very many people who have heart conditions/lung conditions (perhaps varying degree of asthma)/diabetes but are still actually in the workforce.

From what I can make out, perhaps half the total UK population should be in isolation.

I'm not sure if that could be made to work? And would it work better than what we're doing now?

I totally agree that local communities should be helping themselves as much as they can, that's imperative. Round my area (and I'm sure in many other places) people use the Nextdoor app to keep in touch with others and highlight local issues. Loads of people have been offering their services to shop for others, pick up medication etc.

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Ah, you've now edited.

So on the basis of the above, roughly a third of the total UK population are age/medical retirees.

Add to that the very many people who have heart conditions/lung conditions (perhaps varying degree of asthma)/diabetes but are still actually in the workforce.

From what I can make out, perhaps half the total UK population should be in isolation.

I'm not sure if that could be made to work? And would it work better than what we're doing now?

I totally agree that local communities should be helping themselves as much as they can, that's imperative. Round my area (and I'm sure in many other places) people use the Nextdoor app to keep in touch with others and highlight local issues. Loads of people have been offering their services to shop for others, pick up medication etc.

Sorry, you're not understanding.

Nobody should be asked to be totally isolated and immobile, other than those already under a medical mandate in our pre-existing state.

The steady state, "functioning" economy already works with all these groups in play.  We can adjust interaction practices to give further consideration to their protection e.g. all serving staff wear masks, personal shoppers fetch items from shelves, social distancing observed and enforced.
Stagger working patterns for those who can't WFH, all businesses work 3 shifts for instance 8-2, 10-4, 12-6 and everyone does 1 hr at home clearing emails and other "remoteable" activities.

Offline paper7

All evidence to date is that the lethality of this health threat (amongst the plethora of others we were coexisting "calmly and prosperously" with before) is skewed to the retired, frail segment of the population.  Sure there are a few caveated exceptions, but until it mutates and starts killing everyone indiscriminately this is not a situation worth the hysteria being propagated or attributed.

Evolution is about acquired immunity, human intervention supplements this.  Human capacity is indeed promising but we are decades away from approaching the suppression of Nature's will.  Even if we follow the path of transplanting everyone into an eternal, digital realm that is best part of a century at least?  Crippling the world economy in the hope that the few qualified individuals will discover and manufacture a cure to save us while we inactively wait is sheer stupidity.  Thinking we can do it placidly is completely deluded unless the authorities are going to unwind the complete financial fabric of society and suspend all expense and debt.  Done under current standards a vaccine is a year away.  Starve a person of livelihood and they will die within weeks.  Chances of them doing something desperate before then, an absolute certainty.  Which is the potentially greater killer now?

Death comes to us all, we'd all prefer later rather than sooner but those who've already had a good innings cannot expect the young to indulge them at peril to themselves.  Defying Nature is pretty futile, billions of years of successful (for Nature) evolution has cast the model we work in.  Mediating your own behaviour to better your chances is one thing, exerting restraint on another's freedoms is breeding conflict. Human history certainly shows this, most communal, voluntary animal societies also abide by this, shit even collabortive plant communities do.
It doesn't just affect the old, very young or infirm

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Also, the financial ramifications of this cataclysmic effect will last for a long, long time.

Online lewisjones23

Not in a million years

I dont care what sob story they come up with

Offline winkywanky

Sorry, you're not understanding.

Nobody should be asked to be totally isolated and immobile, other than those already under a medical mandate in our pre-existing state.

The steady state, "functioning" economy already works with all these groups in play.  We can adjust interaction practices to give further consideration to their protection e.g. all serving staff wear masks, personal shoppers fetch items from shelves, social distancing observed and enforced.
Stagger working patterns for those who can't WFH, all businesses work 3 shifts for instance 8-2, 10-4, 12-6 and everyone does 1 hr at home clearing emails and other "remoteable" activities.

The current advice is for the old/infirm to stay at home, and the rest of the population to WFH if possible and to adapt locally, as well as helping the first group with supplies as much as they can without endangering them. But to avoid unnecessary contact, don't go out in groups, to the pub, the cinema, the theatre etc.

So we're pretty well already doing what you suggest above? Or at least we've been advised to.

I tend to agree with the masks thing (and the govt have underplayed their importance somewhat) but I think the reality is that there are simply not enough to go around. Above and beyond what the medical profession uses I should imagine there are very few masks in the UK because we just don't use them here. Culturally we have never 'done' masks for colds etc. Clearly, we won't be able to get a load in any time soon (or until China are back up and running properly), and in any case, what masks we do have must be saved for medical/care workers.

I don't think you're really suggesting anything new?


Offline Kool Keef


It's a transactional interaction between punter and WG, nothing personal. If a punter ran out of money would a WG give them a free fuck? Like...

WG: "hey hun I know times are hard for you workwise at the moment, let me suck your dick and help you feel better"


Punter: "Oh how thoughtful of you....Thanks babes you know it's hard right now, when I'm back on my feet I'll swing your way with the £££££ don't worry  :rose:"

I think not.

Any men that fall for such tricks of emotional manipulation from a woman that takes money in exchange for sexual services almost deserve to be scammed for their foolishness and naivety. It's the WGs job to lie to you, why would the lies suddenly be genuine now?

Summed it up perfectly imo

Offline southcoastpunter


 It's the WGs job to lie to you, why would the lies suddenly be genuine now?

What? -  some do but is not part of the job! Its not compulsory! We all tell little white lies. And if a WG says something like " i really enjoyed your visit" is that a lie, a little white lioe or a marketing comment?

Offline billybobsmith

The current advice is for the old/infirm to stay at home, and the rest of the population to WFH if possible and to adapt locally, as well as helping the first group with supplies as much as they can without endangering them. But to avoid unnecessary contact, don't go out in groups, to the pub, the cinema, the theatre etc.

So we're pretty well already doing what you suggest above? Or at least we've been advised to.

I tend to agree with the masks thing (and the govt have underplayed their importance somewhat) but I think the reality is that there are simply not enough to go around. Above and beyond what the medical profession uses I should imagine there are very few masks in the UK because we just don't use them here. Culturally we have never 'done' masks for colds etc. Clearly, we won't be able to get a load in any time soon (or until China are back up and running properly), and in any case, what masks we do have must be saved for medical/care workers.

I don't think you're really suggesting anything new?

Sure we could manufacture masks, sanitiser etc.
Got to be £billions cheaper than pretty much trashing the lives of millions and ruining the economy for potentially years in order to possibly save a number of lives.
I would rather wear a mask, have plenty of handwashing etc. than be isolated, out of work for weeks if not months on the off chance the virus decides not to mutate, pop up again etc.

You could argue, that assuming this virus is natural rather than man made, it's no different from anything else in nature where Mother Nature has some form of population control by thinning out the weak to leave the stronger members of a species.
We're definitely aware that there are too many of us, but as said earlier, or something like that, we try to defy nature constantly with some success, some failure.  No issues firing off missiles to kill loads of people someone has a gripe with hundreds of miles away, but whoa-and-behold we let sickly 80yo's die naturally....

Online RandomGuy99

We don't wear badges about any other contageous, potentially lethal, afflictions we survive, why should there be discrimination for this one?

Wise SPs put money aside, just like wise civilians should be putting some of their earnings aside, given the level of reported debt and the brief being voiced about the lockdowns how many "wise" people do you think there are who earn less than 50k pa?
So if you had an SP who hadn't contracted it and then a SS who had and they met on a booking there would be a high chance of the  SP acquiring the infection and having to take time out to self-isolate or would the SP ask the SS upfront and turn away SSs who had had it?

Offline Happylad

Perhaps a good way forward would be to offer some money up-front, to be recouped as a punt when the WG starts working again.

But how many would trust a WG (even a regular) with that?  :D
Several years ago I arranged a punt with my then regular,then she had to ask for a few days delay as she had a period; I agreed week`s delay, and she then asked if I could pay in advance as she had "a bailiff at the door".  Because I had seen her many times over several years and trusted her I did so by bank transfer. When I arrived for the meet her door remained firmly locked despite much knocking and her `phone unanswered, although it was obvious that someone was in.
The following day a posting by her appeared on the Manchester site (of which we were then both members) complaining of an unnamed punter arriving  without appointment at her house and making a nuisance of himself, but even before I had even seen that posting I received several PMs from SP members on that site all complaining at my behaviour (and some threatening)as well as one from  Admin stating that unless I could come up with a good explanation I would be blacklisted - it was abundantly clear that either she, or someone on her behalf, had deliberately named me in numerous PMs to other SPs. Needless to say I was able to produce all the relevant emails and texts and details of the bank transfer showing her to be a liar, with the result that we were both banned (she for her lies and me for being rude to Admin), along with her friend who had colluded with her.
The cash amount of what I had paid her was later deposited outside my back door without explanation.
For some unexplained reason she afterwards accused ME of a breach of trust for defending myself.

So BE WARNED

Offline willie loman

At the moment the flu sceptics are keeping their heads down, there are a lot more of them about than you would realise from listening to the phone ins, I notice that in large parts of the world life goes on unchanged,  am betting on south American football at the moment, as for the point about advancing money to wgs, don't do it, they are manipulative , they have no money cos they are basically feckless, as polonius advised Hamlet,"neither borrower or lender be". if anything ask your regulars for a reduction .

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So if you had an SP who hadn't contracted it and then a SS who had and they met on a booking there would be a high chance of the  SP acquiring the infection and having to take time out to self-isolate or would the SP ask the SS upfront and turn away SSs who had had it?

This is a sex transaction, SS wants to fuck, SP just wants money, who is  to be trusted to certify truthfully whom has had what infection?   :dash:

Online LLPunting

Several years ago I arranged a punt with my then regular,then she had to ask for a few days delay as she had a period; I agreed week`s delay, and she then asked if I could pay in advance as she had "a bailiff at the door".  Because I had seen her many times over several years and trusted her I did so by bank transfer. When I arrived for the meet her door remained firmly locked despite much knocking and her `phone unanswered, although it was obvious that someone was in.
The following day a posting by her appeared on the Manchester site (of which we were then both members) complaining of an unnamed punter arriving  without appointment at her house and making a nuisance of himself, but even before I had even seen that posting I received several PMs from SP members on that site all complaining at my behaviour (and some threatening)as well as one from  Admin stating that unless I could come up with a good explanation I would be blacklisted - it was abundantly clear that either she, or someone on her behalf, had deliberately named me in numerous PMs to other SPs. Needless to say I was able to produce all the relevant emails and texts and details of the bank transfer showing her to be a liar, with the result that we were both banned (she for her lies and me for being rude to Admin), along with her friend who had colluded with her.
The cash amount of what I had paid her was later deposited outside my back door without explanation.
For some unexplained reason she afterwards accused ME of a breach of trust for defending myself.

So BE WARNED

What a bitch!

Too much to hope she lost a load of custom and her gullible white knights all got a kicking off the board too.

Charity is its own reward, never expect others to appreciate it, if you do it's not charity you're indulging in.

Offline Gordon Bennett

So if you had an SP who hadn't contracted it and then a SS who had and they met on a booking there would be a high chance of the  SP acquiring the infection and having to take time out to self-isolate or would the SP ask the SS upfront and turn away SSs who had had it?

I'm struggling a bit to follow that..... Is she asking clients if they have virus and declining to meet those that say yes? I'm not sure how sound an approach that is. Doesn't the fact that the viral client is actually seeking a booking suggest he might fib when he answers. I can't see him going Awwww, shucks you got me!

Offline winkywanky

Sure we could manufacture masks, sanitiser etc.
Got to be £billions cheaper than pretty much trashing the lives of millions and ruining the economy for potentially years in order to possibly save a number of lives.
I would rather wear a mask, have plenty of handwashing etc. than be isolated, out of work for weeks if not months on the off chance the virus decides not to mutate, pop up again etc.

You could argue, that assuming this virus is natural rather than man made, it's no different from anything else in nature where Mother Nature has some form of population control by thinning out the weak to leave the stronger members of a species.
We're definitely aware that there are too many of us, but as said earlier, or something like that, we try to defy nature constantly with some success, some failure.  No issues firing off missiles to kill loads of people someone has a gripe with hundreds of miles away, but whoa-and-behold we let sickly 80yo's die naturally....


Well I feel sure production is at full blast, although I coudn't say that for sure  :unknown:. It would make perfect sense wouldn't it? And of course it would go as soon as it hit the shelves.

In the same way that there's a massive effort to procure and manufacture breathing apparatus at the moment. Do you think nothing's happening?

Of course a new virus is in the natural scheme of things (seemingly helped along by some questionable activities in China, once again), and you might surmise, sent to cull the weak ones. Yes, that is 'nature'. But if we have the power to resist that and protect the weak, rightly or wrongly, then that's what humans do.

Perhaps you might be quite happy to stand in front of a lectern on national TV and announce as much, and of course this might include culling an ill family member of yours, your granny, your mum, you, who knows?

Population control is something that will have to be dealt with sooner rather than later, along with Global warming and all the rest of it, but to glibly portray this epidemic as a convenient opportunity to get some of the job done now is frankly, a bit shit.

Offline winkywanky

Several years ago I arranged a punt with my then regular,then she had to ask for a few days delay as she had a period; I agreed week`s delay, and she then asked if I could pay in advance as she had "a bailiff at the door".  Because I had seen her many times over several years and trusted her I did so by bank transfer. When I arrived for the meet her door remained firmly locked despite much knocking and her `phone unanswered, although it was obvious that someone was in.
The following day a posting by her appeared on the Manchester site (of which we were then both members) complaining of an unnamed punter arriving  without appointment at her house and making a nuisance of himself, but even before I had even seen that posting I received several PMs from SP members on that site all complaining at my behaviour (and some threatening)as well as one from  Admin stating that unless I could come up with a good explanation I would be blacklisted - it was abundantly clear that either she, or someone on her behalf, had deliberately named me in numerous PMs to other SPs. Needless to say I was able to produce all the relevant emails and texts and details of the bank transfer showing her to be a liar, with the result that we were both banned (she for her lies and me for being rude to Admin), along with her friend who had colluded with her.
The cash amount of what I had paid her was later deposited outside my back door without explanation.
For some unexplained reason she afterwards accused ME of a breach of trust for defending myself.

So BE WARNED


Indeed HL.

Punting is one of the very few occasions when despite the intimacy which occurs (and may have previously, many times) you wouldn't trust the other as far as you could throw them when it came to the money aspect :D.

Offline willie loman

Odd that ive not heard the word Malthusian.

Offline winkywanky

Probably because no-one's ever heard of it before.

Perhaps you could enlighten us?

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The current advice is for the old/infirm to stay at home, and the rest of the population to WFH if possible and to adapt locally, as well as helping the first group with supplies as much as they can without endangering them. But to avoid unnecessary contact, don't go out in groups, to the pub, the cinema, the theatre etc.

So we're pretty well already doing what you suggest above? Or at least we've been advised to.

I tend to agree with the masks thing (and the govt have underplayed their importance somewhat) but I think the reality is that there are simply not enough to go around. Above and beyond what the medical profession uses I should imagine there are very few masks in the UK because we just don't use them here. Culturally we have never 'done' masks for colds etc. Clearly, we won't be able to get a load in any time soon (or until China are back up and running properly), and in any case, what masks we do have must be saved for medical/care workers.

I don't think you're really suggesting anything new?

No, we're being asked to do too much compared to my scenario.  I am positing active government and civil coordination to enable the least disruption to economic and societal functioning day to day.  You should still be able to go out but destinations will have reduced capacities to facilitate adequate separation of customers.  People should be encouraged to go out locally rather than all pile into central districts.  Heaven forbid money be more equitably spent rather than hoovered up by trendy entities. Etc.

People can improvise masks there is ZERO necessity to go buy something labelled "surgical" or "medical" mask e.g. filter masks for construction, workshop face shields, scarves, kerchiefs, burkhas, cycling masks, etc.  All are sufficient barriers to transmission of infection by coughing and sneezing.
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Offline Beamer

Another thread taken over by Covid-19 "experts"   :dash:

Offline winkywanky

No, we're being asked to do too much compared to my scenario.  I am positing active government and civil coordination to enable the least disruption to economic and societal functioning day to day.  You should still be able to go out but destinations will have reduced capacities to facilitate adequate separation of customers.  People should be encouraged to go out locally rather than all pile into central districts.  Heaven forbid money be more equitably spent rather than hoovered up by trendy entities. Etc.


People are still able to go out? 

Pubs for example, aren't closed (unless by landlord's decision, there's no govt decree to that effect).

But what's happening as a natural consequence is that less people are getting out and about, and then naturally, places are closing through lack of custom, or because they want to be seen to do the right thing.

People can still go their local cinema. But many are choosing not to because they don't want to spread it. People can go to their local whatever, the govt hasn't decreed otherwise?  :unknown: Depending on the daily/weekly numbers of the spread, then more draconian action may be taken, as it has in other European countries.

The whole strategy means that things wind down, and that will reduce the spread of the virus.

It seems to me that the govt are making a big effort, pledging £330Bn to try to help the economy and save businesses from going under (which pro-rata, is on a par with the US, with their just under $1Tn commitment). Of course they have to find a way to get that money out there, but they've pledged it.

It seems to me that whatever the govt does, there will still be economic hell to pay. It's a shit situation, all they can do is try to make it less shit, they can't make it go away.




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Offline winkywanky

Another thread taken over by Covid-19 "experts"   :dash:


You'll hurt your head doing that.