COVID-19 - or - "What potential exposure have you had in the last two weeks?"

[Doc Holliday]

Really? Whose the fool? How many times has it been said over a number of years that our health service is underfunded and that there is a staffing shortage? So all those who work in bars etc get laid off to stop the health service getting over run. I think this part of history will change things and hopefully ensure health and social care is a priority.

Agree, although it isn't just about funding, but let's hope something positive eventually comes out of this? That said social care may be easier to deal with because the elderly and sick population may be reduced in numbers! There will only be indestructible Davie left 

[Moby Dick]

Around a year or so unless someone comes up with a viaable treatment!..

Also explains why the spread is greater in London?.

 
You joking right?

[ilovekungfu]

With respect to the green lights on AW, two things I've noticed;-

* Some have pre-paid for these and I'm not sure if that is easily refunded. Some WGs might just leave it on as the cost is likely only their time to do a few e-mails and perhaps on the off-chance a low-risk proposal arrives. I've seen one WG offer big discounts for longer bookings so the thinking might be to screen one client for any health concerns and mitigate the loss of work with a long booking at a reduced rate.

* Also, I never pay any attention to the number of lights enabled until the afternoon, a large number of providers on my hotlist might not turn it on till later in the day.

That said, I would be staggered if there wasn't an overall decline in availability over the next few days.

[mh]

I would personally say go for.
Better to die happy knee deep in a tight young cunt,
than to die lonely and miserable with only a miserable old git for company!

Seriously though. If you’re aware of the risks to yourself and your demographic and are willing to take them then go ahead. It’s you’re life....and possibly your death!

Please, please can you try to understand that it is no longer the effect on you/each of us personally that should be your/our sole concern. The spread will only be slowed if we all assume we each already have this virus and act accordingly.

Sadly government advice has tried to give the impression of being "serious" and "led by the science", but actually it has been mealy-mouthed ("should", "avoid"), secretive (unattributed briefings to journalists) and cowardly (passive actions encouraged, few direct instructions).

Today I've just had to suspend my business, guts me to do it. Its going to cost me..a lot. However its going to cost us all, one way or another. Its important that we as individuals do the right thing for the larger community. We  cant operate in silos, ignoring the current crisis, its here, its on our doorstep, its not going away. We all have to do the right thing if we are going to defeat this CV19.

Ditto. Business closing today, a few people working from home because they can, no idea if there will be a business in 3 months let alone a year's time. Elderly parents at serious risk and terrified of being cut off from the world (they are not silver surfers...) while I'm terrified that a child with asthma may not be able to get a ventilator if needed.

[Moby Dick]

With respect to the green lights on AW, two things I've noticed;-

* Some have pre-paid for these and I'm not sure if that is easily refunded. Some WGs might just leave it on as the cost is likely only their time to do a few e-mails and perhaps on the off-chance a low-risk proposal arrives. I've seen one WG offer big discounts for longer bookings so the thinking might be to screen one client for any health concerns and mitigate the loss of work with a long booking at a reduced rate.

* Also, I never pay any attention to the number of lights enabled until the afternoon, a large number of providers on my hotlist might not turn it on till later in the day.

That said, I would be staggered if there wasn't an overall decline in availability over the next few days.

I would say numbers for the NW are normal.
Most of my HL have green lights on and they tend to put the green light on in the morning to generate interest for the afternoon.
They must be thinking the risk is relatively low at the moment (ahead of the curve) and they need to make some money whilst they still can.
Plus some would have already paid for hotels up front.
I think punters will be down, since like me a lot will be wanking from home, with no excuse to go off radar for an hour or two.
They may end up sitting their with their legs spread for the camera / us wanking at home.

[James]

Well I'm single, I live on my own, I don't have close contact with anyone vulnerable, (apart from myself) yet it seems it's wrong for me to punt. 

Its your choice, dont why people are so against people punting in this environment. More likely to catch corona in your local supermarket. thousands of people all by the bog roll section. Also escorts are usually quite cautious. if they feel down on normal days most cancel.

im still punting just being careful. i am avoiding the epicentre for UK which seems to be london. But no one is around me that i fancy in my town. Maybe the lock-down will cause my bank balance to go.  A hand is nowhere like a warm pussy for your cock

I think the expensive girls may be the best bet. the people who see them are more likely to care bout health and not see when they are ill

[Beamer]

It seems that a lot of people here are using this pandemic to take shots at a conservative government for the crime of being a conservative government. Breaking news, fools, the government is run by people and people make mistakes and change direction when new information arises. If the government has changed its plans for combatting the virus based on input from experts studying the data then that’s not something to be sniggered at. I congratulate them for taking a measured approach to the issue at hand! History will be the judge and I suspect it will be kind!

What the hell has this got to do with punting.  This is a punting forum not a political forum.

[Kamilondon]

What the hell has this got to do with punting.  This is a punting forum not a political forum.

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[LLPunting]

I'm not going to fall out with anyone over this but I just cannot understand that attitude.  Surely people's life's, anyone's life is more important than shagging a sp

Perhaps you should stop punting altogether then if you're going to be so considerate about the impact of spreading non-STIs.  Perhaps just quit working, shopping for necessities, going to events and socialising too.

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[LLPunting]

If you are in the high risk group,  there is a much higher likelihood that you will need a hospital bed if you have the virus. If too many hospital beds are occupied by people with Covid-19, then there will not be beds/ventilators etc. for people suffering from other life threatening ailments.

If you avoidably infect yourself,  you may deny life saving care to others who need it.

In answer to your question,  you are putting the life of anyone who needs critical care at risk,  if you unnecessarily need health care resources that could otherwise save someone else's life.

And how did the other infecteds get infected given the current regime now in place and tightening?  You can't judge DM in isolation because many of those future infecteds will have breached protocols as well so all equally condemnable/contemptible if you want to be so righteous.
Beware your demonising logic.

[Moby Dick]

I'm not going to fall out with anyone over this but I just cannot understand that attitude.  Surely people's life's, anyone's life is more important than shagging a sp

You can say the same about driving or smoking.

[Dogfather]

And how did the other infecteds get infected given the current regime now in place and tightening?  You can't judge DM in isolation because many of those future infecteds will have breached protocols as well so all equally condemnable/contemptible if you want to be so righteous.
Beware your demonising logic.

The righteous ones are the worst for sure.

Them: I'm self isolating
Me: Shove it up your arse you narcissistic twat. I hope you die. 

The punting game is all about lies. Now everyone wants to be honest and "save the world". Makes you want to 

[Moby Dick]

At some point I will catch this virus. Pretty sure most of us will.
I can work from home, shop online, gamble online, avoid the theatre, pubs, football, mass gatherings, don’t use public transport, so doing my bit to delay.

However I have kids so not sure how long it will be before they catch it at school because not all parents can work from home.

I am not worried about my health and don’t mix with anyone who is at risk (old/ill).
Don’t expect it to be more than an inconvenience.

So why shouldn’t I punt?
What are the chances of catching the virus from a WG showing no signs of symptoms but still seeing 3 or 4 guys a day?
What are the chances of catching from my children who attend different schools, using different transport, mixing with 100s of kids and teachers daily?

Should I do a punt this week before the kids infect me?

[LLPunting]

...God forbid we end up like Italy where the medical profession is having to make an assessment on who lives and who dies because they do not have the facilities, and equipment, to treat everyone.
...

We already do exist in that society, these kinds of choices are made everyday in EVERY health service around the World.  We WILL be in that situation here in the UK re: this virus.  It is only the hysteria around this outbreak that has got so many weeping and rending in desperate repentance.  Everyone of us has been complicit in any number of destructive and infectious behaviours since we entered into our respective societies; Going to work a little bit ill, supporting an armed civilian populace, driving/riding a combustion-driven vehicle, using electricity unnecessarily, over-eating, doing anything as part of a group of strangers...
Everyone's bleating because of the particular risk when we have been participating in collective risk which has lethal consequences for someone else (does it matter whether it's one or many?).

[LLPunting]

It's not just you you're affecting is it? You may not be taking it seriously enough in the light of the fact that the death-rate worldwide is now 7000+ whereas on Saturday (March 14) it was 5000.

That's a death-toll NOT a death rate. Compare with UK government figures.

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[winkywanky]

I keep asking this but nobody gives an answer, who am I libel to put at risk.

I don't want to fall out with anybody either, but lots of people on here seem to be hard of reading, or are showing a total lack of understanding of my posts.

I am the one in the high risk group, I am one of the ones who Boris is recommending are 'shielded'. So please tell me who's life I am putting in danger.

I'm retired and lead a relatively solitary life in that I don't use PT on weekdays and don't have regular contact with people every day. I wouldn't necessarily be taking so much caution as others are, but for the fact that I have an ageing parent whom I see a couple of times a week. For their benefit I shall be 'locking down'.

I think everyone's case is a bit different, and applying a bit of common sense and consideration for others is what's needed at this stage.

[winkywanky]

Flu is something I have been susceptible to for years, I have never had it in my life I do not have a flu jab ever, would I not be putting others at risk by taking up a bed should I ever get flu. 

I am not prone to viral infections, I never have been, there is no reason why this one should be any different.

Do not tell me I'm not taking this seriously, I've already said I take all the recommended precautions, not to stop me getting it but to stop passing on any germs that I may have been in contact with.

Can I ask you what advice the health professional you have consulted gave you,    I know what mine told me last Monday.   
If I drop dead they wouldn't do a PM and I know what they would put down as the cause, it wouldn't be flu.

Davie, I'm quite puzzled as to why you don't have the flu jab even though you're in an at risk group? Saying you're not prone to viral infections does not mean you won't get the flu. I would venture to suggest that so far the thing that's been stopping you contracting flu is a) sheer luck, and b) all the other people (millions in the UK) who DO get the flu jab.

And there is a BIG reason why Covid-19 is different from flu. NO-ONE has been exposed to this Coronavirus before, so NO-ONE has any immunity. Many people have had flu before and have a degree of immunity, even to new strains of the flu which emerge every year. And like I say, millions of people have the jab every year and stop it being nearly as big as it would be, on an annual basis.

It can't be stressed enough, Coronavirus is very different from flu FOR MANY REASONS and should not be likened with flu.

[HarryZZ]

I had a punt earlier today, I was told by text "no kissing" this despite it being on the likes list, I never asked but I presume this was to help prevent virus infection rather than me being an ugly bastard, and when I entered the house I was asked if I would wash my hands. As I left she said she might stop escorting and just do cam work as a precaution.

[Doc Holliday]

Compare with UK government figures.

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My post was a month ago. Recently the Chief Medical Officer seems to have decided on quoting an average of 8.000 UK flu associated deaths a year.

As I posted above, all world healthcare bodies have now dropped the 'compare it to flu' argument. Many of those who have died and will continue to die from this virus have survived this year's flu season and would may have survived next years also?

[Moby Dick]

Just another day “not at the office”



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[winkywanky]

I was extremely concerned last week when the UK government appeared to adopt its 'laissez faire' strategy. I spoke with a family member at some length who works in the field of medical negligence. She was astonished. In order to create some kind of 'herd immunity' (in itself controversial and untried) the Government was willing to sacrifice a great many lives. The medico legal ramifications of that down the line were mindboggling.

One week on and there has been a complete reversal. As a result of this model External Link/Members Only it became obvious that not only would large numbers of people die from the virus, but the meltdown of the healthcare system would mean that people who would normally be expected to survive from many other illnesses, would also die. In total hundred's of thousands over the first wave of this virus.

You couldn't make it up really. So it is now panic stations to try and avoid that happening, but having wasted another week (not to mention the previous two months of apathy) can it be slowed down? I have my doubts? London is close to the brink.

The timing of the UK briefing yesterday in relation to the WHO one, was unfortunate for the Government. The WHO message was  "test, test, test" and highly critical of the West . Those few countries who have done so have controlled this far better. History will show we fucked up on this big style and wasted two months getting this in place .. not to mention sourcing ventilators.
The WHO also says people can remain infectious up to two weeks after symptoms have subsided making a farce of our 7 day quarantine.

If the change of direction works to reverse the catastrophic prediction (and that is a big 'if') then the downside is there may not be sufficient people with immunity to make return to 'normal' life possible, so you stay in some degree of lockdown waiting for a vaccine. Then there is the question of how long will immunity last? All the time there is the socio-economic consequences.

Yet some people still think it's no worse than flu. Fortunately that analogy has long since been dismissed by the world's healthcare authorities.

Very interesting points you make Doc and yes, how will history view our govt's response a year or two down the line, when the dust has settled and (hopefully) an effective vaccine will be in place?

I read the herd-immunity thing as being a likely consequence of the govt's desire to delay and minimise the infection peak, rather than an aim in itself. If the latter, then yes, if there are many deaths in the UK then we could be looking at a new govt and recriminations a-plenty.

These are certainly disturbing times.

[Billy the kid]

Agree, although it isn't just about funding, but let's hope something positive eventually comes out of this? That said social care may be easier to deal with because the elderly and sick population may be reduced in numbers!


 There will only be indestructible Davie left 

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Best laugh out loud I’ve had today 

[daviemac]

Davie, I'm quite puzzled as to why you don't have the flu jab even though you're in an at risk group? Saying you're not prone to viral infections does not mean you won't get the flu. I would venture to suggest that so far the thing that's been stopping you contracting flu is a) sheer luck, and b) all the other people (millions in the UK) who DO get the flu jab.

And there is a BIG reason why Covid-19 is different from flu. NO-ONE has been exposed to this Coronavirus before, so NO-ONE has any immunity. Many people have had flu before and have a degree of immunity, even to new strains of the flu which emerge every year. And like I say, millions of people have the jab every year and stop it being nearly as big as it would be, on an annual basis.

It can't be stressed enough, Coronavirus is very different from flu FOR MANY REASONS and should not be likened with flu.

I honestly don't know how many times I have to say it, I take my health extremely seriously, I look into all aspects of it, I don't just think ah well that'll do. I go off what I learn and research as well as my own past experiences.

Anyway getting back to why I don't have a flu jab, it's simple really I don't believe it would be of benefit to me and I've been eligible for years. I have been criticised on here due to the possibility of me taking up a hospital bed, well by me not getting a flu jab it leaves one for someone else, they do run short most winters.

Throughout my whole life I've had bacterial infections but never viral ones. Now I know there's a first time for everything but this stance has served me well for years. I also fully understand that this virus is different to flu, but it is still a virus.

What most people don't seem to realise is I'm only at a slightly greater risk of catching flu than anyone else, the biggest risk I face are the consequences if I do get it. My whole lifestyle is geared up to me remaining healthy, I gave up smoking years ago and the instances of bronchitis have reduced since, following the heart trouble I've given up alcohol, coffee, fatty foods and totally changed my way of thinking. I'm probably more conscious of health matters than most.

I've had a quick look through some of the latest reviews of punts that have taken place this month and have yet to see any comments about the punter actually still punting.  There seems to be universal condemnation of me because I've stuck my head above the parapet and said that I will continue subject to precautions I deem necessary.

According to the posts on this thread, because I've declared an intention to punt, I'm going to full my car up, catch the virus, go straight to an escort and infect her resulting in her friends and family dying, then I'm going to be taken to hospital where I'm going to be responsible for other patient's deaths. Yet non of this applies to those who are actually still punting. Pats on the back all round there, funny that, or it would be if this wasn't such an serious matter.

[Mr Sinister]

My 2pence, make your own informed decision to punt based on your own circumstances. For me I live alone, now working remotely, could punt anytime I want and self isolate from various people close to me. You will catch the virus eventually, hopefully now, the real fear is that it could mutate, get worse much later on.


A good chunk of WG are stuffed like many self employed and will have to carry on working. Wouldn't be surprised if their phones have been dead for a week now. Some will probably have to adjust their prices accordingly to pay the bills. Also hard up civvies will suck cock to make ends meet.

[Haruki]

At some point I will catch this virus. Pretty sure most of us will.
I can work from home, shop online, gamble online, avoid the theatre, pubs, football, mass gatherings, don’t use public transport, so doing my bit to delay.

However I have kids so not sure how long it will be before they catch it at school because not all parents can work from home.

I am not worried about my health and don’t mix with anyone who is at risk (old/ill).
Don’t expect it to be more than an inconvenience.

So why shouldn’t I punt?
What are the chances of catching the virus from a WG showing no signs of symptoms but still seeing 3 or 4 guys a day?
What are the chances of catching from my children who attend different schools, using different transport, mixing with 100s of kids and teachers daily?

Should I do a punt this week before the kids infect me?

If any punter she has seen in the last 14 days is carrying the virus then it might be you infecting your kids, not the other way around

[MrMatrix]

There will only be indestructible Davie left 

Funniest quote of the week, Nice one Doc.

However this thread is rumbling along beating Davie up. I think we have all made ourselves clear on this matter and how we stand as indeed he has. I suggest we leave Davie alone and move on with what happens next and how come SPs are still advertising and what other punters are feeling.

mh - sorry to here about close of business and hope that child doesn't need a ventilator..

[Moby Dick]

If any punter she has seen in the last 14 days is carrying the virus then it might be you infecting your kids, not the other way around

Yeah but kids are going to get it from school at some point anyway, and to a lesser degree than adults.
Either way we will then be infectious for 14days. Boris advises if one family/household member gets it then lock down for 14days.
After that? Are we immune and no longer infectious so carry on as normal?   

[90125]

Funniest quote of the week, Nice one Doc.

However this thread is rumbling along beating Davie up. I think we have all made ourselves clear on this matter and how we stand as indeed he has. I suggest we leave Davie alone and move on with what happens next and how come SPs are still advertising and what other punters are feeling.

mh - sorry to here about close of business and hope that child doesn't need a ventilator..

Yes time to move on before this thread is culled. If that happens the Rules will be updated to put CONVID-19 on the No Discussion List.

[winkywanky]

Anyway getting back to why I don't have a flu jab, it's simple really I don't believe it would be of benefit to me and I've been eligible for years. I have been criticised on here due to the possibility of me taking up a hospital bed, well by me not getting a flu jab it leaves one for someone else, they do run short most winters.

Throughout my whole life I've had bacterial infections but never viral ones. Now I know there's a first time for everything but this stance has served me well for years. I also fully understand that this virus is different to flu, but it is still a virus.

What most people don't seem to realise is I'm only at a slightly greater risk of catching flu than anyone else, the biggest risk I face are the consequences if I do get it. My whole lifestyle is geared up to me remaining healthy, I gave up smoking years ago and the instances of bronchitis have reduced since, following the heart trouble I've given up alcohol, coffee, fatty foods and totally changed my way of thinking. I'm probably more conscious of health matters than most.

I've had a quick look through some of the latest reviews of punts that have taken place this month and have yet to see any comments about the punter actually still punting.  There seems to be universal condemnation of me because I've stuck my head above the parapet and said that I will continue subject to precautions I deem necessary.

According to the posts on this thread, because I've declared an intention to punt, I'm going to full my car up, catch the virus, go straight to an escort and infect her resulting in her friends and family dying, then I'm going to be taken to hospital where I'm going to be responsible for other patient's deaths. Yet non of this applies to those who are actually still punting. Pats on the back all round there, funny that, or it would be if this wasn't such an serious matter.

So you're at pains to say that you take advice from your doctor...yet your doctor would definitely strongly advise you to take the flu jab every year  .

Saying we run short of flu jabs so you do 'the system' a favour is a pretty weak reason Davie.

And frankly, you must be a medical miracle to have 'never had a virus'. I'm sorry but I simply cannot believe that. Every scientist in the world would be beating a way to your door to test your amazing, magical immune system.

And you have heart trouble yet you don't think to minimise your risk of contracting Covid-19?

I respect you a lot for your work on UKP Davie (and it has to be said your good temperament in dealing with some of the utter shit you have to on here), I know you're a good guy, but your argument about you not contracting Covid-19 because you're somehow super-immune to catching it - and therefore you won't pass it on to anyone else - seems frankly ridiculous.

[winkywanky]

Yes time to move on before this thread is culled. If that happens the Rules will be updated to put CONVID-19 on the No Discussion List.

Oh dear, I think I just finished it off with my last post  .

This is all very tricky  .

Please stay safe all, not only for your own benefit but for that of others.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Intresting reading when you have a moment;!


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[Hobbit]

I honestly don't know how many times I have to say it, I take my health extremely seriously, I look into all aspects of it, I don't just think ah well that'll do. I go off what I learn and research as well as my own past experiences.

Anyway getting back to why I don't have a flu jab, it's simple really I don't believe it would be of benefit to me and I've been eligible for years. I have been criticised on here due to the possibility of me taking up a hospital bed, well by me not getting a flu jab it leaves one for someone else, they do run short most winters.

Throughout my whole life I've had bacterial infections but never viral ones. Now I know there's a first time for everything but this stance has served me well for years. I also fully understand that this virus is different to flu, but it is still a virus.

What most people don't seem to realise is I'm only at a slightly greater risk of catching flu than anyone else, the biggest risk I face are the consequences if I do get it. My whole lifestyle is geared up to me remaining healthy, I gave up smoking years ago and the instances of bronchitis have reduced since, following the heart trouble I've given up alcohol, coffee, fatty foods and totally changed my way of thinking. I'm probably more conscious of health matters than most.

I've had a quick look through some of the latest reviews of punts that have taken place this month and have yet to see any comments about the punter actually still punting.  There seems to be universal condemnation of me because I've stuck my head above the parapet and said that I will continue subject to precautions I deem necessary.

According to the posts on this thread, because I've declared an intention to punt, I'm going to full my car up, catch the virus, go straight to an escort and infect her resulting in her friends and family dying, then I'm going to be taken to hospital where I'm going to be responsible for other patient's deaths. Yet non of this applies to those who are actually still punting. Pats on the back all round there, funny that, or it would be if this wasn't such an serious matter.

Flu jabs do work my friend, but viruses do mutate and therefore I find that you can still catch a different strain of the flu later in the year due to mutation. Nevertheless, I would strongly advise anyone to have the flu jab if possible because in my experience it has worked for me on many occasions and with my weak lungs this virus could be deadly for me. But I've always said that if I die then I die with a smile on my face.

[Gordon Bennett]

Been on SAAFE for a bit, curious to compare their logic and reasons for shagging strangers at this time compared to the demented stuff on here. Noticed mention of  a Round-Robin email from Adultwork that seems to be trying to drum-up business and encourage them to put their green lights on.
Now I suppose AW behaving like grasping antisocial cunts is no real surprise but I do wonder if they'll get any comeback or attention in coming days/weeks? If governments/authorities decide AW are facilitating and enabling people to act dangerously and irresponsibly could they shut them down or close off access to the AW site by compelling ISPs to block access. I dunno if that's technically possible but you get my gist.

[Moby Dick]

Been on SAAFE for a bit, curious to compare their logic and reasons for shagging strangers at this time compared to the demented stuff on here. Noticed mention of  a Round-Robin email from Adultwork that seems to be trying to drum-up business and encourage them to put their green lights on.
Now I suppose AW behaving like grasping antisocial cunts is no real surprise but I do wonder if they'll get any comeback or attention in coming days/weeks? If governments/authorities decide AW are facilitating and enabling people to act dangerously and irresponsibly could they shut them down or close off access to the AW site by compelling ISPs to block access. I dunno if that's technically possible but you get my gist.

I read something similar on another forum, but I believe AW is emailing SP to promote and start web camming services rather than face to face meets.

[sparkus]

Intresting reading when you have a moment;!


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DIOSynVax’s approach is much faster than current vaccine development technologies, says Heeney, which means that even allowing for essential pre-clinical mouse studies, his vaccine candidate could be ready for human clinical trials as early as June. He is currently seeking funding to pursue his work further and a pharmaceutical company with whom to partner on clinical trials.

Perhaps WGs themselves could volunteer to "motivate" scientists in this task? Rather than chebs for plebs usual punting transactions it'd be norks for dorks.

[LLPunting]

Been on SAAFE for a bit, curious to compare their logic and reasons for shagging strangers at this time compared to the demented stuff on here. Noticed mention of  a Round-Robin email from Adultwork that seems to be trying to drum-up business and encourage them to put their green lights on.
Now I suppose AW behaving like grasping antisocial cunts is no real surprise but I do wonder if they'll get any comeback or attention in coming days/weeks? If governments/authorities decide AW are facilitating and enabling people to act dangerously and irresponsibly could they shut them down or close off access to the AW site by compelling ISPs to block access. I dunno if that's technically possible but you get my gist.

Whilst it might be excused and sanctioned by our usual enemies that logic would have to be applied to any and every activity where people come within 1m of each other for 20 mins (or whatever) on a larger scale e.g. Driving instructors - I saw over a dozen lessons going on today, who's more irresponsible then, driving instructor who doesn't completely disinfect the car between students or an SP, the student or a punter?  Or how about kitchen workers or cab drivers ?

[LLPunting]

My 2pence, make your own informed decision to punt based on your own circumstances. For me I live alone, now working remotely, could punt anytime I want and self isolate from various people close to me. You will catch the virus eventually, hopefully now, the real fear is that it could mutate, get worse much later on.


A good chunk of WG are stuffed like many self employed and will have to carry on working. Wouldn't be surprised if their phones have been dead for a week now. Some will probably have to adjust their prices accordingly to pay the bills. Also hard up civvies will suck cock to make ends meet.

Or maybe wives will fuck husbands?  With all the paracetamol now in homes there's no fucking excuse of a headache.

[scutty brown]

Went to two GP surgeries today
At the first the practice manager and two (of five) GPs were in isolation due to infected family members.
The other had ended ALL face to face consultations.

This is just the beginning

[LLPunting]

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=273797.msg2801666#msg2801666.

My post was a month ago. Recently the Chief Medical Officer seems to have decided on quoting an average of 8.000 UK flu associated deaths a year.

As I posted above, all world healthcare bodies have now dropped the 'compare it to flu' argument. Many of those who have died and will continue to die from this virus have survived this year's flu season and would may have survived next years also?

Thanks Doc,  just read your post with interest and of course it is very learned.  However part of your argument seems to suggest that the powers that be have cooked the books on flu mortality several years prior to this event in order to make this event look less alarming.  I'm hoping I misread that rather than you actually giving it credence.
Also, whilst you can debate about the cause of death, your quotes diminishing the flu mortality are assuming lower numbers because there are multiple infections that could be the final straw for the frail to succumb to.  That does not mean that flu wouldn't (or would) have done them in if it had got to them before a cold, Winter is lethal because resistances are hammered by multiple infections that are either perennially present or perhaps flourish in the colder months.  The spike year you mention, as other spikes have, relate to when we got it wrong with the vaccines issued and other strains hit the populace with sufficient force.

We've had a few thousand global deaths and everyone is screaming apocalypse, that spike year was 28000 (perhaps "only" 8000) in the UK alone.
The comparison to flu is still valid contextually if not in closer terms of virulence and lethality.

As we all suspect this novel pandemic will be a real Reaper across the World, a real reality check for the complacent generations of the last 50+ years of peace, unconstrained avarice and self-indulgence and sadly the most wealthy (worst offenders) will suffer least BUT we must all accept that this cannot be stopped.  Each government is trying to smooth out the volume of infection within it's nation so it's limited resources can be most effective.  Societies will only crumble if the constituents  choose to continue to be hysterical and irresponsible.  Economies will fail if governments don't suspend the real leeches on plural security and prosperity which are the landowners and the gouging profiteers from necessity (big food and pharma, financial speculative trading both human and automatic) as well as their own inhibitive stressor policies like business rates.

[winkywanky]

Or maybe wives will fuck husbands?  With all the paracetamol now in homes there's no fucking excuse of a headache.

 

Sadly though, I suspect many are past the 'headache' stage  .

[LLPunting]

Sadly though, I suspect many are past the 'headache' stage  .

Perhaps all the more reason to risk exposure with an SP and then "unknowingly" infect the lazy misery-monger at home. 

[winkywanky]

Ouch!

I assume you are speaking from personal experience LL (but please don't answer that!  )

[LLPunting]

Ouch!

I assume you are speaking from personal experience LL (but please don't answer that!  )

I wasn't even in the same country m'lud! 

[winkywanky]

Good answer! 

[Gordon Bennett]

Well at least the WG can work from home.
1921 Female “Escorts” available today in the UK according to AW.

249 of those offer Bareback too. I don't really know, but I'd guess that's a higher than normal ratio but I surmise that any snapshot of ladies offering escort services during a pandemic would naturally contain a higher than usual ratio of barebacking skanks with scant regard for their health or your health - goes hand in glove really.
Reckon that suggests that the cohort of blokes currently seeking services will also contain a high ratio of bareback seeking cunts too - similar logic about a total disregard for health at play.
The odds for catching a dose of something nasty are definitely magnified I'd say.

[Moby Dick]

249 of those offer Bareback too. I don't really know, but I'd guess that's a higher than normal ratio but I surmise that any snapshot of ladies offering escort services during a pandemic would naturally contain a higher than usual ratio of barebacking skanks with scant regard for their health or your health - goes hand in glove really.
Reckon that suggests that the cohort of blokes currently seeking services will also contain a high ratio of bareback seeking cunts too - similar logic about a total disregard for health at play.
The odds for catching a dose of something nasty are definitely magnified I'd say.

That seems a bit of an OTT reaction.
I ain’t interested in barebackers, plenty of well reviewed reputable WG with their lights on.
Doesn’t matter how many precautions I take, self isolating etc, I am pretty certain I am more likely to catch from my own school Kids before the end of next week.

[LLPunting]

249 of those offer Bareback too. I don't really know, but I'd guess that's a higher than normal ratio but I surmise that any snapshot of ladies offering escort services during a pandemic would naturally contain a higher than usual ratio of barebacking skanks with scant regard for their health or your health - goes hand in glove really.
Reckon that suggests that the cohort of blokes currently seeking services will also contain a high ratio of bareback seeking cunts too - similar logic about a total disregard for health at play.
The odds for catching a dose of something nasty are definitely magnified I'd say.

"No glove, no love!"
Fucking with just rubber gloves on is a tad kinky.
Anyone tried using a Marigold as a prophylactic?

Why higher odds?  Barebackers tapping barebackers is a specific community active regardless of pandemic.  Unless you're saying that more previously non-BBers are joining the fray than BBers abstaining because of the current sitch then your assertion is wrong.  Some BBers don't kiss and no evidence so far suggests that genital secretions transfer the virus so arguably fucking a BBer with a bag over her head is safer than it was, assuming that some BBers aren't playing.

[winkywanky]

It would be good for multiple penetration, a girl could take five cocks at once  .

[LLPunting]

It would be good for multiple penetration, a girl could take five cocks at once  .

Using a bloody massive Marigold or 5 anatomically correct Action Men.

[winkywanky]

I think you mean anatomically erect.