Author Topic: Louis Theroux Selling Sex - Sunday 12th January, BBC2 @ 9pm  (Read 24031 times)

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Don't think she was fooling anybody with that.

quite

I mean her age is working against her now and I don't know of many working 'girls' of that age and I would imagine demand is  .   


shall we say LOW  :thumbsdown:

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It reminded me of a documentary I watched in 1990's about a WG visiting hotels to meet up with punters.  In it, she said that they found her through the internet. 

I did some searching and I found the Northern Angels website (still going today) and it led to over 20 years of punting.

I suspect Louis's program will lead others down the same road.










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quite

I mean her age is working against her now and I don't know of many working 'girls' of that age and I would imagine demand is  .   


shall we say LOW  :thumbsdown:
Especially at that price.

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It reminded me of a documentary I watched in 1990's about a WG visiting hotels to meet up with punters.  In it, she said that they found her through the internet. 

I did some searching and I found the Northern Angels website (still going today) and it led to over 20 years of punting.

I suspect Louis's program will lead others down the same road.

You are not wrong.  I dare say a lot of men are punt-curious but assume it could only ever be a thrust against a wall with some emaciated heroin addict or a cellulite-laden hefty bird in a hideous mini skirt.  Failing that, an expensive "call girl".

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You are not wrong.  I dare say a lot of men are punt-curious but assume it could only ever be a thrust against a wall with some emaciated heroin addict or a cellulite-laden hefty bird in a hideous mini skirt.  Failing that, an expensive "call girl".
That described me for many years.  Always something I wanted to try, but never knew how to go about it until I happened to find AW a few years back.

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That described me for many years.  Always something I wanted to try, but never knew how to go about it until I happened to find AW a few years back.

It was pretty much me too, based on observations of what I'd seen on Romford Road and around King's Cross, as I'd never ventured in a proper brothel to know what was inside.  A rank street walker on Commercial Street propositioned me when it was deserted about 1am (this was before redevelopment) and I told her where to go, out of nowhere her pimp appears with a massive scar across his face and has a go at me.  That put me off a big longer.
 
So although I had no objections in principle to punting, I just didn't know what was on offer or how to go about it.  After spotting then trying some OK looking street girls near Brick Lane, I then started researching deeper and finding newspaper ads and cards in windows, unleashing an instant world of Indians, Poles, Africans and Brazilians.  At one stage I even considered tart cards on phoneboxes (which even in my youth always seemed to good to be true).
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Whilst the programme will no doubt encourage punt-curious single men and those in unfulfilling relationships to scout out punting options online (and hopefully see past Classy Filth's ridiculous rates as untypical), I wonder if it will also send cash-strapped mothers and students to consider it?

After all, as the programme showed, your average punter is 25, good looking, rich and well-endowed.  What's not to like?

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After all, as the programme showed, your average punter is 25, good looking, rich and well-endowed.  What's not to like?

Meanwhile, back in the real world . . . ,  ;)

Offline freeze44

You are not wrong.  I dare say a lot of men are punt-curious but assume it could only ever be a thrust against a wall with some emaciated heroin addict or a cellulite-laden hefty bird in a hideous mini skirt.  Failing that, an expensive "call girl".

Good point and as others have said my impression was of a dirty seedy punting experience and having seen some street girls in passing as driving in a red light area as well as some stag type do's where wg's get some of the audience on stage to get bj's and also sit on faces in the audience, didn't think punting was for me. Not into sharing like that!  :lol:

Can't remember the programme name saw a few years ago, but it showed how punters get to meet wg's on the internet so after a bit of research I took the plunge and glad I did as had some cracking times!!  :diablo:

Agree that the more this type of thing is shown the more who will go for it....at the end of the day punting provides what men want....uncomplicated sex with a fit woman!  :thumbsup:

Offline B4bcock

I used only to visit parlours and didn't know much about other forms of paid for sex until not allowed had their crusade a few years ago.   There was an article in The Times about it which mentioned both AW and UKP and explained how they operated.  I'm sure the journalist did that on purpose!    Anyway, the result of the not allowed campaign was that myself and probably scores of other guys expanded our hobby considerably.  As Harry Enfield would have said "I don't think they really meant to do that!"  :D

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Meanwhile, back in the real world . . . ,  ;)

My first brothel visit I expected to find a sultry Catherine Deneuve bored French housewife looking for fulfilment between the sheets  :sarcastic:

In any case, I was quite content with the size 12 Indian in a white basque with thick thighs and bolt-ons who kept saying "Baybeee" a lot  :dance:

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Chiefs and Indians can be a fun game  :thumbsup:.

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Chiefs and Indians can be a fun game  :thumbsup:.

I initially read that as "chefs and Indians", which can also be a fun game if working in the low paid sector known as catering and hospitality.  Pork being on the menu occasionally was the only thing that kept me going, even if it was of the all you can eat buffet proportions.

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I eat pork occasionally, but then again I am an occasional TS-devotee.

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I eat pork occasionally, but then again I am an occasional TS-devotee.

So I read!

I quite enjoy workplace sex (though sadly society takes an increasingly dim view of this) but so far I've not had a big reveal of a throbbing manhood when getting past that base.

Offline tynetunnel

You are not wrong.  I dare say a lot of men are punt-curious but assume it could only ever be a thrust against a wall with some emaciated heroin addict or a cellulite-laden hefty bird in a hideous mini skirt.  Failing that, an expensive "call girl".
That was pretty much my view until a couple of years ago when I discovered the reality and joined in the fun!  :hi:

Offline davidgood

I was not going to bother watching this programme, but as I now know one of the 'stars' is a lady I have played with a few times at parties I might have a look.

Regards.

davidgood

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I used only to visit parlours and didn't know much about other forms of paid for sex until not allowed had their crusade a few years ago.   There was an article in The Times about it which mentioned both AW and UKP and explained how they operated.  I'm sure the journalist did that on purpose!    Anyway, the result of the not allowed campaign was that myself and probably scores of other guys expanded our hobby considerably.  As Harry Enfield would have said "I don't think they really meant to do that!"  :D
I think it was that Times article that piqued my interest and showed me that this wasn’t as seedy as I’d previously thought

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I watched some of it . The interview of a punter while she sat next to him was interesting . As he bared his soul re his punting she looked uncomfortable especiallly as he admited to wanting the girl to enjoy it
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It was fascinating and well made if not a little contrived, these women weren't chosen at random there would have been a year of research, we know from our own experiences that these are not your average working girls, a girl with mental problems, one with a cuckolded husband and one with little concern about her children and what they're about to face in the aftermath, school and social media aren't places you can hide, every kid in the school, even those that didn't se it have now seen videos of the Nottingham girl sucking cocks, how many of us would have liked to live through that for a week, never mind the next 10 years at school.

It was carefully put together, the "I don't enjoy sex" clip immediately before the "I hope she enjoys it" clip and the vacant look on her face, were not even necessarily filmed in that order but edited together to make a point, the poor old bloke who apparently encouraged his Mrs into the game but was clearly devastated by her interactions, all those clips made him look pathetic, in reality he would have asked her to stop or left her, so perhaps he's not quite the shrew he was made to look, and the crazy one was all done for pity, we were obviously supposed to be horrified that this girl had no real idea what she was doing and how men were just taking advantage of her, again that's highly unlikely to be the case.

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Ahhh...Louis Theroux's angst ridden face....

Offline cotton

I just watched it. Obviously it was done with the usual hand wringing angst which is Theroux's stick , especially ending with his conclusion that while it seemed fine on the outside he still wasnt sure and still wondered if it was harmful and symptomatic of some underlying dysfunction. But overall i thought the programme was sympathetic and the hookers chosen were presented sympathetically , Victoria and also her daughter especially came over very well.
There are so many negative aspect that theroux could have picked up and highlighted if he had wanted to present a more negative picture of sex work , but he didnt , he actually presented imho quite a rose tinted view of sex work so i thought it was quite positive. Even the punters were not demonised.
Victoria was the only one of the 3 that i found sexually appealing.

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It was fascinating and well made if not a little contrived, these women weren't chosen at random there would have been a year of research, we know from our own experiences that these are not your average working girls, a girl with mental problems, one with a cuckolded husband and one with little concern about her children and what they're about to face in the aftermath, school and social media aren't places you can hide, every kid in the school, even those that didn't se it have now seen videos of the Nottingham girl sucking cocks, how many of us would have liked to live through that for a week, never mind the next 10 years at school.

It was carefully put together, the "I don't enjoy sex" clip immediately before the "I hope she enjoys it" clip and the vacant look on her face, were not even necessarily filmed in that order but edited together to make a point, the poor old bloke who apparently encouraged his Mrs into the game but was clearly devastated by her interactions, all those clips made him look pathetic, in reality he would have asked her to stop or left her, so perhaps he's not quite the shrew he was made to look, and the crazy one was all done for pity, we were obviously supposed to be horrified that this girl had no real idea what she was doing and how men were just taking advantage of her, again that's highly unlikely to be the case.

I probably pondered the husband's motives more throughout the programme than anything else, at first he gave off the vibe of mid-life crisis and I wondered if he was complicit in some way or after a vicarious thrill.  After a while it became clear he was unsure about it all but perhaps just couldn't bring himself to call time on her 'little experiment'.  They'd clearly had their issues in the "bedroom department" as a married couple.

I've met several WGs who've been married with husbands who've either been "supportive" or begrudgingly allowed them to engage in their chosen work.  I've also read comments by WGs who've said that men shouldn't begrudge women the right to sex work as it's just work and there's no romance etc. As I remember watching Trading Places as a kid and thinking at the end "Blinding set of tits or not, there's no way I'd take up with a hooker," my stance still stands (it's not like I'm asking any woman to knowingly take up with a punter either).

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I dare say a lot of men are punt-curious but assume it could only ever be a thrust against a wall with some emaciated heroin addict or a cellulite-laden hefty bird in a hideous mini skirt.

God, Sparkus, that's so spooky.

You've just described exactly the two categories of hooker I've been looking for all my punting life.

Where do I find them?

And does anyone know of a good, solid, recently-repointed, moss-free wall (brick, not flint) in a discreet location in the Hampshire area that's suitable for thrusting-against purposes?

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In my view most girls do have a mixed up past even the ones who appear in control .
Going back 20 years to the present day I have allways managed to find the ones who have suffered in the past . In fairness possibly some of the ones who dont become hard nosed probably are the best girls as they are looking for more than just sex . Kind of a mini relationship...  hey what do I know ...
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But, OTH, aren't we all damaged in some way from family and previous relationships? Most people I know are and I know I am.


Offline ulstersubbie

Back in the 90's Nick Broomfield made a documentary called "Fetishes", filmed in Pandora's Box, a well known BDSM dungeon in Manhattan. Admittedly it dealt with S/M as opposed to general sex work, still it was far more revealing and insightful than anything Theroux could come up with. Slightly off topic but a worth a watch if you get the chance.

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Ahhh...Louis Theroux's angst ridden face....

Never liked the bugger, about as genuine as Arfur Daley in "Minder", at least Arfur made me laugh.

Offline Home Alone

It was fascinating and well made if not a little contrived, these women weren't chosen at random there would have been a year of research, we know from our own experiences that these are not your average working girls, a girl with mental problems, one with a cuckolded husband and one with little concern about her children and what they're about to face in the aftermath, school and social media aren't places you can hide, every kid in the school, even those that didn't se it have now seen videos of the Nottingham girl sucking cocks, how many of us would have liked to live through that for a week, never mind the next 10 years at school.

It was carefully put together, the "I don't enjoy sex" clip immediately before the "I hope she enjoys it" clip and the vacant look on her face, were not even necessarily filmed in that order but edited together to make a point, the poor old bloke who apparently encouraged his Mrs into the game but was clearly devastated by her interactions, all those clips made him look pathetic, in reality he would have asked her to stop or left her, so perhaps he's not quite the shrew he was made to look, and the crazy one was all done for pity, we were obviously supposed to be horrified that this girl had no real idea what she was doing and how men were just taking advantage of her, again that's highly unlikely to be the case.

I'm not sure if I agree with all of that, Harry. We weren't the target audience. I could have imagined watching it with a bunch of you guys from on here and we'd all have been coming out with very similar comments about the circumstances of each of the featured SPs.

But, on the other hand, how much do we know about the circumstances of "your average working girl"? If we know anything, it's what she chooses to tell us; and I would imagine that most, if not all, have a back-story ready to trot out to any punter who, for example, asks how she got into the industry. You know, a bit like any the story each of us may have prepared about how and why we became punters in case a SP asks.

One of the places where I'd have loved to be a fly on the wall would have been the editing suite, watching: i] what material rejected because it didn't fit with their agenda; and ii] how they cut different sequences of each girl to make, or reinforce, a point they wanted to make.

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You're assuming the production team had an agenda, and maybe they did, intentionally or otherwise, but also, maybe they didn't, maybe they edited it in a truly representative way.

The other thing to consider of course, is the choice of girls for the programme. There must be at least ten 'types' of WG, all with their own reasons for doing it, but to cover them all would need a series, not just one programme. There were only three girls of course, so that can never be a properly representative sample.

Come on BBC, let's show the whole picture.

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You're assuming the production team had an agenda, and maybe they did, intentionally or otherwise, but also, maybe they didn't, maybe they edited it in a truly representative way.

The other thing to consider of course, is the choice of girls for the programme. There must be at least ten 'types' of WG, all with their own reasons for doing it, but to cover them all would need a series, not just one programme. There were only three girls of course, so that can never be a properly representative sample.

Come on BBC, let's show the whole picture.
Just watched it, enjoyed it and agree with you that three girls does not show the whole picture, would have been better to have had more, but how many would be prepared to show themselves on television. 
Did the Beeb pay their going rate perhaps?  On that subject I hope that other WG's watching the programme don't get the idea that £200+ per hour will be the norm.


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I should imagine 100% that the girls were paid for their time, but presumably in line with their normal rates as far as that was possible.

I think to 'pay them for their story' would probably breach producer guidelines, and rightly so.

Offline bdyno

You're assuming the production team had an agenda, and maybe they did, intentionally or otherwise, but also, maybe they didn't, maybe they edited it in a truly representative way.

The other thing to consider of course, is the choice of girls for the programme. There must be at least ten 'types' of WG, all with their own reasons for doing it, but to cover them all would need a series, not just one programme. There were only three girls of course, so that can never be a properly representative sample.

Come on BBC, let's show the whole picture.
Got a list?

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It was fascinating and well made if not a little contrived, these women weren't chosen at random there would have been a year of research, we know from our own experiences that these are not your average working girls, a girl with mental problems, one with a cuckolded husband and one with little concern about her children and what they're about to face in the aftermath, school and social media aren't places you can hide, every kid in the school, even those that didn't se it have now seen videos of the Nottingham girl sucking cocks, how many of us would have liked to live through that for a week, never mind the next 10 years at school.

It was carefully put together, the "I don't enjoy sex" clip immediately before the "I hope she enjoys it" clip and the vacant look on her face, were not even necessarily filmed in that order but edited together to make a point, the poor old bloke who apparently encouraged his Mrs into the game but was clearly devastated by her interactions, all those clips made him look pathetic, in reality he would have asked her to stop or left her, so perhaps he's not quite the shrew he was made to look, and the crazy one was all done for pity, we were obviously supposed to be horrified that this girl had no real idea what she was doing and how men were just taking advantage of her, again that's highly unlikely to be the case.

There was the older MILF, the GILF (well...) and a young student, so a broad section, I'd say, and probably recruited on that basis.

What all three had in common was being English, which is quite untypical of the WGs working today.

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Got a list?


I wondered when someone was gonna say that  :rolleyes:

1. Student needing money to go through college
2. Single mum making ends meet.
3. Foreign independent girl coming over to make money
4. Foreign girl coming over under the control of pimps, unknowingly
5. Foreign girl coming over under the control of pimps, knowingly
6. Older, frustrated woman, husband fucked off or widower
7. Career prostitute who will always do it, because she likes it and it 'empowers' her.

I'll leave the last three to you to make you feel better.

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I wondered when someone was gonna say that  :rolleyes:

1. Student needing money to go through college
2. Single mum making ends meet.
3. Foreign independent girl coming over to make money
4. Foreign girl coming over under the control of pimps, unknowingly
5. Foreign girl coming over under the control of pimps, knowingly
6. Older, frustrated woman, husband fucked off or widower
7. Career prostitute who will always do it, because she likes it and it 'empowers' her.

I'll leave the last three to you to make you feel better.

Disillusioned young girl who thinks shes gods gift .

Disturbed girl looking for affection

Someone whose watched pretty woman and waiting for Richard Gere
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Disillusioned young girl who thinks shes gods gift .

Disturbed girl looking for affection

Someone whose watched pretty woman and waiting for Richard Gere


That was going to be my next one, perhaps a girl with 'Daddy issues'.

And perhaps a girl who was sexualised very young after suffering sexual abuse, and confusing sex with real affection.

Finally, the 'occasional WG' who pops up before/after Xmas, or with a big holiday/trip forthcoming.

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You missed my favourite.

Swinger playing for a bit of extra pocket money.


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We could all be researchers for Louis' next programme.

I'd be willing to research the girls for free  :cool:.

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Disillusioned young girl who thinks shes gods gift .

Disturbed girl looking for affection

Someone whose watched pretty woman and waiting for Richard Gere

Oh, you've met Eva?  :D

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We could all be researchers for Louis' next programme.

I'd be willing to research the girls for free  :cool:.

Imagine if he made one on punters  :scare:

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We could all be researchers for Louis' next programme.

I'd be willing to research the girls for free  :cool:.
So long as "research expenses" are covered then i'm in too  ;)

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You do realise you'll have to submit receipts for any money you've spent, which the Production Company's bureaucrats will have to verify before reimbursing you, don't you, Blackpool? 😂😂😂

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You do realise you'll have to submit receipts for any money you've spent, which the Production Company's bureaucrats will have to verify before reimbursing you, don't you, Blackpool? 😂😂😂
Ha ha yeah but don't all these girls claim to pay tax on their earnings so a receipt should be no problem  :sarcastic:

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I did eventually get round to watching this programme at the end of last week as I particularly wanted to see what Victoria the Classy Filth was upto thesedays.

When I saw her at one of Rebecca Ryder's parties last year she had an older bloke with her who was watching the action and the story was that he was writing a book about her!!  She seemed to spend more time talking about herself than playing, and I thought she talked about having 5 kids but at least she has 4. Despite the number of births she still has a fairly fit body IMO having seen her in the flesh a few times.

I agree she was the model MILF working to survive,  the ginger one the old swinger with a hubby who is just playing for fun and a bit of pin money and the young girl has just found a way to top up her student loan and have a bit of fun. She reminded me of a couple of young ladies I have played with over the years, particularly one who is still active on the party scene and is a sub.

I agree there could have been more types in the doumentary but he probably had a reasonable cross section.

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Imagine if he made one on punters  :scare:


Two out of the thee girls used their appearance in the docu to promote their AW profiles.

I couldn't imagine such publicity being the case with punters  :scare:.

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Two out of the thee girls used their appearance in the docu to promote their AW profiles.

I couldn't imagine such publicity being the case with punters  :scare:.

Dear Escort, I am going to be on a Louis Theroux programme on punters. If you give me a freebie, I'll say that you are the best WG whilst I am on the telly.

Reckon it will work?

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It probably would.

But the personal fallout would be something else.

Offline Hobbit

Now that was an interesting documentary. Have to agree with the others about the 14-year-old kid being in the documentary is not going to make life easy for her at school.

The couple came across a bit odd and maybe the husband was pimping her or living off her. Who knows.  :unknown: