Revealing your ethnicity on the phone

[winkywanky]

I am not rationalising or even trying to change your views. I am merely applying the Equality Act to a hypothetical situation and following things through to their logical conclusion. Even the Doc agrees with me when he says:

Quote from: Doc Holliday on Today at 10:06:11 pm

    At the risk of repeating myself ... yes all technically 'legally' correct. Currently a prostitute is breaking discrimination law...

Of course it's discrimination. She's discriminating.

The point here is whether prostitution falls under normal trading laws. I have no idea. Does it? And if it doesn't, will you contact your local MP to lobby parliament to 'rectify the situation' as you see it?

[daviemac]

Of course it's discrimination. She's discriminating.

The point here is whether prostitution falls under normal trading laws. I have no idea. Does it? And if it doesn't, will you contact your local MP to lobby parliament to 'rectify the situation' as you see it?

I think the difficulty arises with conflicting laws, a pub landlord can be prosecuted for various things, such as the sale of alcohol to a person who is drunk and allowing disorderly conduct on licensed premises etc. so unless a pattern of discrimination on race emerges, I would think it would be hard to prove. With escorts there's the sexual offences act to consider which could lead to the punter being prosecuted.

Personally I have no time for anyone who is in any way racist and I actively avoid any escort who discriminates on any level.

[winkywanky]

I think the difficulty arises with conflicting laws, a pub landlord can be prosecuted for various things, such as the sale of alcohol to a person who is drunk and allowing disorderly conduct on licensed premises etc. so unless a pattern of discrimination on race emerges, I would think it would be hard to prove. With escorts there's the sexual offences act to consider which could lead to the punter being prosecuted.

Personally I have no time for anyone who is in any way racist and I actively avoid any escort who discriminates on any level.

Well obviously a WG who has 'No Black guys' written on her profile could be prosecuted if prostitution were deemed to be 'mainstream service provision'.

Such girls would then simply remove the bar from their profile and then just turn guys away when they rock up (which is probably worse than being turned down on the phone).

Then the disgruntled punter would be able to contact Trading Standards to initiate legal proceedings. By which point said girl has deleted old profile and started a new one.

I'd be interested in how the situation is in countries where there are organised, legalised brothels (Germany?) The girls are all registered, have health checks, pay tax, all the rest of it...are they forced (as a condition of their job) to see whoever turns up? And in such a country, would exactly the same be applied to AW-type 'casual' girls?

[winkywanky]

I just think the process of providing sex is such an innately personal thing, that 'normal rules of trading' aren't applicable. Certainly as far as the casualised world of AW-girls.

Perhaps this might be made to be different in proper organised brothels  . Then as an employee, you choose whether to work there and abide by 'house rules' which are non-discriminatory.

[delete]

Never been  asked by a WG, but anyone who does ask gets the simple response,


Human

[danny#3]

I get asked a few times as I like cheap Rom birds and my name is a common name for Romanian fellers so I have been asked as thew girls don't want to see their fellow country folk. Doesn't bother me.

[winkywanky]

Please don't tell us your name is Sergei...

(No offence meant if it is  ).

[peter purves]

I think the difficulty arises with conflicting laws, a pub landlord can be prosecuted for various things, such as the sale of alcohol to a person who is drunk and allowing disorderly conduct on licensed premises etc. so unless a pattern of discrimination on race emerges, I would think it would be hard to prove. With escorts there's the sexual offences act to consider which could lead to the punter being prosecuted.

Personally I have no time for anyone who is in any way racist and I actively avoid any escort who discriminates on any level.

Without a doubt, it would be hard to prove.

Generally, discrimination is hard to prove for a number of reasons. One reason is that the alleged victim does not know or lacks the evidence that the discriminator may know or have. So for with your example, the pub-owner may wilfully try to obstruct Asians coming into his pub under licensing law but that particular individual who is being discriminated would not have any objective knowledge of this.

Also please remember we are dealing with a hypotheticals here because currently, WGs fall outside the pale of the law in this respect. This is why I kept saying if prostitution is just like any other form of 'work' to make the discussion viable. The issue of consent as it relates to the Sexual Offences Act has no role to play here - in our hypothetical example. Where it would play a role is in the WGs 'private life', ie dating away from prostitution where she is 'free' to choose a partner to have sex with from one particular race only and not 'forced' to go with other races she doesn't want to.

[sparkus]

Edit: While I was typing I missed Sparkus' comments, which I will add below which gives tentative support that a racist WG can provide a 'reasonable' service. Hopefully, they did provide him with a 'reasonable' service otherwise my point has not been established

Feel free to slap me or shoot me down, but as a punter I don't really feel in a position to brandish the Equality Act or call up the CRE.  Put it this way, if a bird spread her legs and let me do my thing and then afterwards could only bring herself to mention it then job done really 

Had the convo on here via PM but some "Indian" men are precluded by WGs due to inability to wash or acquire deoderant.  As you and I have conversed on another thread, roadmen know no ethnic bounds though.

[peter purves]

You're saying that because effectively prostitution is 'underground', the the usual rules of 'discrimination by a service provider' don't apply.

And that if it were properly recognised as 'a legitimate trade' then discrimination laws could be successfully applied to it.

Then logically, if a WG refused to see certain guys - Black, Disabled, Muslim, Indian, whatever, she'd be in breach of the law, and would either have to comply or give up being a WG.

That is the logical upshot.

So she's either forced to have sex with all-comers or give up her livelihood.

Cheers!

You have followed my line of reasoning  - well it is not mine really it what the Equality Act posit - nearly all the way but the last line in bold is somewhat problematic.

The WG can either choose not to be a WG because in our hypothetical situation it would be unlawful for her to discriminate against groups/races based upon goods and services offered in this hypothetical situaton

Or

She can still be a WG but place no advert on her profile pertaining to race. In this way no-one would know she discriminated and more importantly in our hypothetical example it would be near impossible to prove that she has acted unlawfully before a court.

The Equality Act aim is to ensure that no particular group (or race) in society is disadvantaged and that all should be treated fairly and equally. Logically thinking about it this is probably the best way for any society to operate. So the law does not have anything against WGs per se but the focus is on the whole [akin to utilitarianism - the greatest good], in our hypothetical example of course.

[peter purves]

Feel free to slap me or shoot me down, but as a punter I don't really feel in a position to brandish the Equality Act or call up the CRE.  Put it this way, if a bird spread her legs and let me do my thing and then afterwards could only bring herself to mention it then job done really 

Had the convo on here via PM but some "Indian" men are precluded by WGs due to inability to wash or acquire deoderant.  As you and I have conversed on another thread, roadmen know no ethnic bounds though.

Cheers! I will take it that you received 'reasonable' services from WGs who do not usually see your sort - you troublemaker 

[peter purves]

Without a doubt, it would be hard to prove.

Generally, discrimination is hard to prove for a number of reasons. One reason is that the alleged victim does not know or lacks the evidence that the discriminator may know or have. So for with your example, the pub-owner may wilfully try to obstruct Asians coming into his pub under licensing law but that particular individual who is being discriminated would not have any objective knowledge of this.

Also please remember we are dealing with a hypotheticals here because currently, WGs fall outside the pale of the law in this respect. This is why I kept saying if prostitution is just like any other form of 'work' to make the discussion viable. The issue of consent as it relates to the Sexual Offences Act has no role to play here - in our hypothetical example. Where it would play a role is in the WGs 'private life', ie dating away from prostitution where she is 'free' to choose a partner to have sex with from one particular race only and not 'forced' to go with other races she doesn't want to.

Sorry DavieMac

Some of what I was saying got lost in translation. 

I was trying to suggest that 'consent' as it relates to rape (admittedly a point you did not bring up) and punters being prosecuted under the Sexual Offences Act, would play no role in our hypothetical scenario. For the former,  the reasons I outlined above and the latter because prostitution would be the same as any other 'work activity' and not a breach of law.

And again 

I was trying to say the pub-owner is discriminating against the Asian but lying under licensing regulations to hide his discrimination, in this instance it is impossible for the victim to know or prove the pub-owner is racist.

Without a doubt, it would be hard to prove.

Generally, discrimination is hard to prove for a number of reasons. One reason is that the alleged victim does not know or lacks the evidence that the discriminator may know or have. So for with your example, the pub-owner may wilfully try to obstruct Asians coming into his pub under licensing law but that particular individual who is being discriminated would not have any objective knowledge of this.

Getting my knickers in a twist slightly here 

Time to call it a day..or is it night! 

Goodnight 

[Belgarion]

Similarly. I have been in situations where someone has perceived racism, and it has been nothing of the sort.

When the detector is set to 'highly sensitive', that can also happen.

Indeed, some people do get the wrong end of the stick as racism affects people in different ways and some are very sensitive.

Some people however are also not aware of their racism which I always find hilarious. I just chuckle and file them under clueless and move on.

[Belgarion]

I do not believe SPs should be forced to see punters in compliance with any anti-discrimination laws. That would be wrong.

I personally would never want to spend a second or a penny with bigots or racists. SPs should be allowed to discriminate as it's her body end of the day.

What irritates me is the "bad experience" nonsense. If you don't want to see particular races, just say so. No need to make up stupid excuses.

Bad experiences are due to screening issues and the individual involved.

[Dutchmaster]

Having seen some wags profile stating they do not see black people, I feel I have to ask before a punt yes, I don’t want to waste my time going there and finding out it they don’t see black people.

[GingerNuts]

She can still be a WG but place no advert on her profile pertaining to race. In this way no-one would know she discriminated and more importantly in our hypothetical example it would be near impossible to prove that she has acted unlawfully before a court.

Service providers, in the widest sense, don't usually advertise discriminatory practices.

[sunnyj]

No, unless SP asks me to mention it in the Comms.

There are also SPs who don't see Punters based on their Nationality/Age/Size. It's SP's/Agency's responsibility to clearly mention it on their profile if they don't see specific type of Punters.

I read the profile and if I meet any SP's restrictions then I don't even contact them. If SP refuse to see me or waste my time after confirming the booking then I leave a negative review here and move on.

[winkywanky]

I do not believe SPs should be forced to see punters in compliance with any anti-discrimination laws. That would be wrong.

I personally would never want to spend a second or a penny with bigots or racists. SPs should be allowed to discriminate as it's her body end of the day.

What irritates me is the "bad experience" nonsense. If you don't want to see particular races, just say so. No need to make up stupid excuses.

Bad experiences are due to screening issues and the individual involved.

What none of us will ever know of course, is whether a higher proportion of Black punters are rough/over-demanding/unpleasant with WGs, compared with other punters.

Because punting is 'underground' it's not something that has widely-available statistics for anyone to be aware of.

As has been discussed here before, it may simply be that because BAME punters are in the minority, any bad behaviour is easily 'racially attributable' as far as a WG is concerned. In other words it 'stands out'. The WG rumour mill will play a part too.

So a girl who has had bad experiences, or has a friend who has bad experiences, or has a friend who knows someone who has had bad experiences...you get the idea. It may be that a WG is aware of the higher violent crime stats for some ethnic groups. We all know the reasons for that are complex and not because any racial group is more innately violent/nasty/whatever. No group is, we're all born with the same potential and blank 'canvas'.

And being a WG is not like other jobs. You let a guy into your abode who you've never met before, he gives you money (and there'll be a lot more money somewhere else in the house) and then you make yourself just about as vulnerable as you can be...you both get your kit off and you let the guy between your legs. It's that basic. You have to invest a HUGE level of trust in that situation. There may or may not be security for the girl nearby, even if there is the last she/they want is any trouble or attention being drawn to her/them.

To suggest a WG is innately racist because they don't see a particular ethnic group for whatever reason is wide of the mark I think. Some of them will be. Some of them will be acting on rumour. Some of them will have personally have experienced bad shit, you cannot know. If they simply have it in their minds that they are at a higher risk with a certain group then for them the risk/benefit aspect kicks in. As for the stupid euphemistic reasons WGs give, are they really going to say 'a Black guy robbed me/was rough with me/whatever' on their profile? Probably not.

When a BAME punter gets turned away, yes, of course it's discrimination. They are pre-judging (and therefore prejudiced) and they are discriminating because they are filtering out guys based on race. Prejudice and discrimination are illegal in this country, and amen to that. But to apply exactly the same social principles to prostitution generally, and legally enforce it, because you're a good guy and you're genuinely and unfairly being hard done by is IMO wrong. And so is instantly labelling any such WG as racist. Again, yes to the letter of the law they are being racist, but IMO, not necessarily in the spirit of the law, or in a philosophical sense.

The one constant here though, is that a WG should always state if she doesn't want to see a certain group. It's simply not good enough to let punters arrange a meeting and then get turned away when they rock up. That's unforgivable.

[sparkus]

Cheers! I will take it that you received 'reasonable' services from WGs who do not usually see your sort - you troublemaker 

Come to think of it, if I've ever received unreasonable services I've put it down to the SP being herself and no reflection on me. Most NBA policies tend to be from past incidents (or "too big").

There's plenty of nonpunting examples I can think of, particularly Tinder, where women have hard boundaries on race.

[danny#3]

Please don't tell us your name is Sergei...

(No offence meant if it is  ).

nope, its Danny funnily enough,

Danny#3

[Colston36]

I never have. Apropos of nothing much for over 25 years I was married to an African American and I preferred non-whites. Now I've gone the other way - over half the girls I see regularly prefer black guys. This is all such a personal thing, isn't it?

[Belgarion]

What none of us will ever know of course, is whether a higher proportion of Black punters are rough/over-demanding/unpleasant with WGs, compared with other punters.

Because punting is 'underground' it's not something that has widely-available statistics for anyone to be aware of.

As has been discussed here before, it may simply be that because BAME punters are in the minority, any bad behaviour is easily 'racially attributable' as far as a WG is concerned. In other words it 'stands out'. The WG rumour mill will play a part too.

So a girl who has had bad experiences, or has a friend who has bad experiences, or has a friend who knows someone who has had bad experiences...you get the idea. It may be that a WG is aware of the higher violent crime stats for some ethnic groups. We all know the reasons for that are complex and not because any racial group is more innately violent/nasty/whatever. No group is, we're all born with the same potential and blank 'canvas'.

And being a WG is not like other jobs. You let a guy into your abode who you've never met before, he gives you money (and there'll be a lot more money somewhere else in the house) and then you make yourself just about as vulnerable as you can be...you both get your kit off and you let the guy between your legs. It's that basic. You have to invest a HUGE level of trust in that situation. There may or may not be security for the girl nearby, even if there is the last she/they want is any trouble or attention being drawn to her/them.

To suggest a WG is innately racist because they don't see a particular ethnic group for whatever reason is wide of the mark I think. Some of them will be. Some of them will be acting on rumour. Some of them will have personally have experienced bad shit, you cannot know. If they simply have it in their minds that they are at a higher risk with a certain group then for them the risk/benefit aspect kicks in. As for the stupid euphemistic reasons WGs give, are they really going to say 'a Black guy robbed me/was rough with me/whatever' on their profile? Probably not.

When a BAME punter gets turned away, yes, of course it's discrimination. They are pre-judging (and therefore prejudiced) and they are discriminating because they are filtering out guys based on race. Prejudice and discrimination are illegal in this country, and amen to that. But to apply exactly the same social principles to prostitution generally, and legally enforce it, because you're a good guy and you're genuinely and unfairly being hard done by is IMO wrong. And so is instantly labelling any such WG as racist. Again, yes to the letter of the law they are being racist, but IMO, not necessarily in the spirit of the law, or in a philosophical sense.

The one constant here though, is that a WG should always state if she doesn't want to see a certain group. It's simply not good enough to let punters arrange a meeting and then get turned away when they rock up. That's unforgivable.

It is always interesting to see the rationale behind the bad experience but the same rules do not apply to white punters.

Why is that?

[winkywanky]

I guess either less bad experiences/bad rumour, or actual racism.

[winkywanky]

There would also be the fact that because of White being the majority of punters, blocking White punters would be counterproductive financially, and a big step to take.

But this would only come into play if she perceived White punters to be more of a problem for her in the first place. But yes, if she did, she would have to think hard about throwing away perhaps 85-90% of her potential clientele.

[winkywanky]

I never have. Apropos of nothing much for over 25 years I was married to an African American and I preferred non-whites. Now I've gone the other way - over half the girls I see regularly prefer black guys. This is all such a personal thing, isn't it?

I think this is also inevitably part of the deal with WGs.

Re: the girls you see Colston - strictly speaking those girls are being racist against White guys according to many on here. Out of interest, are the girls of which you speak Black or White?

[jamesdean1964]

I do not believe SPs should be forced to see punters in compliance with any anti-discrimination laws. That would be wrong.

I personally would never want to spend a second or a penny with bigots or racists. SPs should be allowed to discriminate as it's her body end of the day.

What irritates me is the "bad experience" nonsense. If you don't want to see particular races, just say so. No need to make up stupid excuses.

Bad experiences are due to screening issues and the individual involved.

Totally agree.  Regardless if legislation made the SP have to see races she didn't want, Why would you want to see a SP who can't stand you. Giving my money to a racist isn't my idea of clever.
I always  mention my ethnicity when seeing  a new SP, saves time and wasted trip. Am all for SPs stating on the profile who the do not wish to meet. Am not going to get my knickers in a twist, because some SP doesn't want to see someone  of my ethnicity, no matter how hot she is.

[king tarzan]

Totally agree.  Regardless if legislation made the SP have to see races she didn't want, Why would you want to see a SP who can't stand you. Giving my money to a racist isn't my idea of clever.
I always  mention my ethnicity when seeing  a new SP, saves time and wasted trip. Am all for SPs stating on the profile who the do not wish to meet. Am not going to get my knickers in a twist, because some SP doesn't want to see someone  of my ethnicity, no matter how hot she is.

At the end of the day all  the mangoes have a delicious pink centre 👅👅👅😋😋😋 and it's upto them whether they want over cooked just right cooked or under cooked sausages to tango with!!
Let's not get our sausages in s twist over it!!

[Littlefoot]

At the end of the day all  the mangoes have a delicious pink centre 👅👅👅😋😋😋 and it's upto them whether they want over cooked just right cooked or under cooked sausages to tango with!!
Let's not get our sausages in s twist over it!!

  

[winkywanky]

At the end of the day all  the mangoes have a delicious pink centre 👅👅👅😋😋😋 and it's upto them whether they want over cooked just right cooked or under cooked sausages to tango with!!
Let's not get our sausages in s twist over it!!

  

[mace-window]

Does anyone pre warn the working girl of your ethnicity before booking just to avoid any surprises? I have done it once or twice and it has worked in my favour. It has saved me a wasted journey and money.

I sometimes do say my ethnicity if I got a bad feeling of a WG who don't put anything about race on her profile. The reason being is that I don't want to waste travel and time to go to some WG's place and then suddenly find out that she don't see certain "blank" race here without mentioning it on their profile. This happens to me twice so far my punting hobby and I am the type of guy that will double read a WG's profile to find out what she likes or not before a meet. That and these cunts don't bother to put "sorry don't see black guys"on their profile is annoying. I don't mind if a WG's don't see certain race (personally I have seen most WG's who don't see a certain race have a bad review ratio on this site - just a thought there guys  ), hi I don't want to spend time on a person who have a problem with my skin color, but what I do mind a lot is WG's wasting my time by being lazy on doing their profile well and put such details on here.

This is the UK were they are different of race of people. Not Alaska.

[mace-window]

You can often tell from the writing style, IMO...frames of reference, use of the word 'Bro', reference to taking the 'D', the avatar, whatever. Perhaps even a seeming obsession with the size/shape/texture of a girl's arse    . I jest! Joking aside, we all give a bit of ourselves away when we write or speak on the phone.

I'm sure I write/sound like an old white guy  .

Having said that, occasionally someone will announce their race or colour here for some reason, and I will be genuinely suprised (and that can go both ways, they might be black, they might be white - other colours are available). You might call that prejudice on my part, because I have literally prejudged who or what I think someone is, we all do that and anyone who denies it would probably be lying. But that's not prejudice in a negative sense, we all have a picture of others based on what they say and how they say it, and that picture can only be as detailed as the information people give away on here.

If writing styles was that easy then you would think I am a white guy. All of my reviews I hardly say my race at all nor write as a black guy (if they is a writing style for blacks as kinds regardless of race are writing stuff like bruh/bro these days).

[fbarge]

I'm very proud of my ethnicity ( like every person should be)
Have no qualms at all...
If the person on the other end has racial prejudices that's there problem not mine and money saved.

you are a white African in a loin cloth?

[mace-window]

This comparison is always brought up in the racial discrimination discussion. Having sex with someone cannot be compared to other business transactions.

Off topic but women and men are different when it comes to doing the dirty. While most men can fuck any women and not get feelings afterwards, most women can't and hence sometimes get intimate/emotional with the person after they have sex with (especially if you fuck a woman really good). That being said it does puzzle me how WG's don't get to emotional though could be why not many women will do this for a living.

[peter purves]

Here you go Doc & WW, an analysis that supports your contention that paying for sex is 'special'....A little light reading.

Journal of Practical Ethics

A Journal of Philosophy, Applied to the Real World
Prostitution: You Can’t Have Your Cake and Sell It

SIMON-PIERRE CHEVARIE-COSSETTE

University of Oxford

2017 OXFORD UEHIRO PRIZE IN PRACTICAL ETHICS

External Link/Members Only

[Doc Holliday]

Thanks for the link PP.

It is an interesting academic analysis which highlights the complexities. I have actually read it before (in fact I'm sure I had linked to it but cannot find it .. may have been another forum?)

[winkywanky]

If writing styles was that easy then you would think I am a white guy. All of my reviews I hardly say my race at all nor write as a black guy (if they is a writing style for blacks as kinds regardless of race are writing stuff like bruh/bro these days).

I did say often.

But of course your avatar is a bit of a give-away    .

[winkywanky]

Here you go Doc & WW, an analysis that supports your contention that paying for sex is 'special'....A little light reading.

Journal of Practical Ethics

A Journal of Philosophy, Applied to the Real World
Prostitution: You Can’t Have Your Cake and Sell It

SIMON-PIERRE CHEVARIE-COSSETTE

University of Oxford

2017 OXFORD UEHIRO PRIZE IN PRACTICAL ETHICS

External Link/Members Only

Thanks Mr. Pervy, off out now but I'll give that a read a bit later  .

[winkywanky]

Here you go Doc & WW, an analysis that supports your contention that paying for sex is 'special'....A little light reading.

Journal of Practical Ethics

A Journal of Philosophy, Applied to the Real World
Prostitution: You Can’t Have Your Cake and Sell It

SIMON-PIERRE CHEVARIE-COSSETTE

University of Oxford

2017 OXFORD UEHIRO PRIZE IN PRACTICAL ETHICS

External Link/Members Only

Thanks so much for that  .

His assertion is both ethical and philosophical, that prostitution is different from a 'normal' job, and that this should override any legal consideration over the selling of services.

That's exactly in line with my thinking on this matter and I hope I managed to portray that in my less than perfect posts on this thread. You can't apply the usual legal thinking to prostitution, it's innately different for many reasons but basically (to use his words) everyone should have full authority over their sexual lives. Selling sex is just too intrinsic to your own personal being to be considered a normal job, however much a WG 'turns off' during the delivery of her service.

He also states that if a sexual transaction is involuntary then this is rape or human trafficking, not prostitution. I think I said the very same thing (certainly re: the rape).

The piece isn't a statement of facts of course, it's his opinion, as it is mine. But he is a lot cleverer than wot I am (degrees and shit) so I'm happy to be in agreement with him.

All we need now is for someone to find a completely contradictory piece on the internet, from some equally emeritus professor with a different POV, to blow that out of the water  .

[Colston36]

I think this is also inevitably part of the deal with WGs.

Re: the girls you see Colston - strictly speaking those girls are being racist against White guys according to many on here. Out of interest, are the girls of which you speak Black or White?

The girls are all white, though I have my eye on one mixed race.

Discrimination can work both ways - slick_chick in Bristol blew me out after having agreed to meet: she went on the razzle with some black guys.

I was more than a little pissed off as I'd just been very helpful to her. In fact she had proposed to make me breakfast as a thank you.

When I complained she delivered one of the weirdest lines I ever heard: "Do you think my mother is proud of what I do?"

[winkywanky]

To be fair Colston, going out with a bunch of guys instead of you may 'just' have been age-discrimination (as if that's gonna make you feel any better... ).

[boardyhell]

i am a tradesman and avoid working for clients from a certain country ,white european which i won't name ,so not to offend anyone
purely because i have had lots of problems
if you have had or feel you are going to have problems aoid

[Metalgear2018]

i am a tradesman and avoid working for clients from a certain country ,white european which i won't name ,so not to offend anyone
purely because i have had lots of problems
if you have had or feel you are going to have problems aoid

I know a handyman in Luton who is white but he won't work for Nigerians because they have trouble paying up.

[Beamer]

I know a handyman in Luton who is white but he won't work for Nigerians because they have trouble paying up.

Bet he doesn't advertise that fact  !!

[sparkus]

The weirdest NBA policy I ever heard was "no Turks".  I was asked to leave (a decade ago) for being "Turkish".  Naturally after pulling out my driving licence and speaking a bit everything was fine and afterwards it turned out to be a great punt for both of us (by her admission).

Chinese-run brothel, she was slim Thai with big naturals.  But said her main base was in Kent and there were a lot of "Turkish" construction workers there (Ashford) and every Turkish punter she'd ever met had knocked her about.  Although her English was pretty good, thinking back she may have just assumed they were Turkish when in fact they could well have been Albanian.

[django0700]

No! Sorry, what this shows is that you do not have a clear understanding of how the Equality Act 2010 is meant to unfold in principle.

Notwithstanding there will never be a literal court case for me, you or anybody else to argue the matter as a point of law

True but you are more likely to have a trial by media...

[@Allure]

I do not quite see it that way...

Rape falls within the 'personal' sphere of a given society. The example I am talking about is prostitution as 'acceptable work' in a hypothetical society. From the moment 'sex' moves from the 'private' to the 'public' sphere (of work) because the WG has consented to work in the field of sex as a prostitute, it cannot be rape. Please note I am not suggesting here Prostitutes cannot be raped.

One of the skills a WG needs is the ability to switch off. One could argue why cannot the WG just 'switch off' with regard to race when she can switch off to so many other variables and other personal characteristics that a  punter may have that allows her to have sex when she would not ordinarily want to?

Wtf!!
it’s not classed as rape because the guys pay for it!! Are you mad? if you ever said that to me while I was saying NO because I felt uncomfortable, because you were hurting me, because your time was up, because I fucking said NO and I meant it, NO IS NO paid or not!!
Just because your paying it’s up to the girl just like it’s upto you to walk away if you don’t like her. Sorry but that really pissed me off reading.
If that’s what some of you think I’m really going to considerate giving up escorting .

Speaking of a working girl myself and about your ethnicity, the reason may be 80% of problems I’ve known over the 15 years in the industry has came from foreign guys.
Removing Condom is the at the top, then disrespect, making the girl feel like she is a worthless cheap slut is another, then the big one is Rape.
 I myself have been raped, a girl I know got gang raped by a group of Asian men, another lady I knew got attempted raped and he badly raped other girls, I had the pleasure of standing in court and getting the bastard 13 years, these are facts I know are true then Most of the warnings I get is about foreign guys.
Now before you go down my neck I’m not a Racist I give everyone the benefit of doubt but ive got thick skin, after what I went through I don’t know how I’m not but I know there is good and bad, My partner is Turkish and they have a bad reputation but he is nothing like the stereo type so I take everyone as I find them and give everyone a chance.
But why I commented on here is the Independant girls who have had bad experiences with foreign guys or hear all the bad stories they may be just looking out for their own safety and they have every right.
The ladies doing this job main priority is safety, it’s not because of colour it’s about it’s about being safe and respected and being able to do their job feeling comfortable and giving 100%.
I’m sorry but look at the statistics of rape and grooming as underage girls  in the Sex industry and civvy life and that will answer your question.
So if you do see it on a girls profile, respect it, it’s better than seeing her and she not giving u 100% because she doesn’t feel comfortable and she is scared.
It’s just like all the men saying on here they wouldn’t see rom girls, there is some good, but a lot of Romanian girls give them a bad name and the guys and myself included won’t go near no matter how good they look that’s just life and some people don’t want to chance it, some of you guys don’t want to waste your money, some of the girls don’t want to risk thier health and safety.
I’ve also known a few girls that don’t want to see black guys because of they are known for having humongous willys, just because a lady works she may be not able to handle a big willy, Ive had a few and I think oh shit when a black guy books in my mind im thinking can I handle it, I have had to give a guy his money back once because I couldn’t.
This is me speaking of a working girl so if your going to give me a agency pimp hating response, go onto the agency thread.
I’m talking as working girl.

[@Allure]

Goodnight and god bless x

[Doc Holliday]

Just a follow up with regard to the legal position.

I wrote to the Equalities and Human Rights Commission and after exchanging a couple of mails the situation is actually much simpler than I had realised.

"Having read through your e-mail, you would not be able to argue this issue under the Equality Act 2010.
This would not fall under a sector within the Act because it’s an individual who is offering the service and not an organisation"

I was however asked if this related to an Escort Agency where it may be applicable, but I have never seen an agency operate any discrimination?

[winkywanky]

If anyone else had said they'd written to the E&HR Commission I'd have said they were taking a urine sample, but not only did you do that, you also had it analysed.

I guess that puts this issue to bed once and for all  .

[cotton]

Off topic but women and men are different when it comes to doing the dirty. While most men can fuck any women and not get feelings afterwards, most women can't and hence sometimes get intimate/emotional with the person after they have sex with (especially if you fuck a woman really good). That being said it does puzzle me how WG's don't get to emotional though could be why not many women will do this for a living.

Ahh but they do , just early in the morning when nobody can hear them screaming