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Offline Londoner2000


It doesn’t bother me as I’m not black...


 I’m not black either...  nor do I really care about the law.   Lea But it bothers me and frankly it should bother everyone  with a conscience...
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Dosnt bother me at all tbh.

20 years ago I saw this back in phone booths. After a punt  I asked just out of curiosity If it was about size she said it wasn’t.

 The problem is if you don’t have a problem with this, what is your opinion on discriminating for things like housing restrictions, entry to pubs, jobs etc.  remember not very long ago in the 60s this was the norm...
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20 years ago I saw this back in phone booths. After a punt  I asked just out of curiosity If it was about size she said it wasn’t.

 The problem is if you don’t have a problem with this, what is your opinion on discriminating for things like housing restrictions, entry to pubs, jobs etc.  remember not very long ago in the 60s this was the norm...
I'm pretty sure that most who don't have a problem with it aren't saying so because it's right. They're saying so because at the end of the day, whether discrimination is right or wrong, it's irrelevant in this situation. Not serving someone in a pub because they're black is not the same as this, and surely you can see that.
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I'm pretty sure that most who don't have a problem with it aren't saying so because it's right. They're saying so because at the end of the day, whether discrimination is right or wrong, it's irrelevant in this situation. Not serving someone in a pub because they're black is not the same as this, and surely you can see that.
I disagree.
Yes punting is not a necessity, but neither is going to a pub, and yet being denied access to a pub is unthinkable today. They both offer a service and if that service is being denied because of skin colour then the root cause for that discrimination and the result of that i.e. the denial....are the same. So I believe it's relevant, it's just that one happens to be a service provided by an establishment (which can be run by an individual) and the other happens to be a service provided by an individual (who can be working for an an establishment).

It is a bit of a shit situation because on one hand it's their choice, but on the other hand it's wrong.
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I disagree.
Yes punting is not a necessity, but neither is going to a pub, and yet being denied access to a pub is unthinkable today. They both offer a service and if that service is being denied because of skin colour then the root cause for that discrimination and the result of that i.e. the denial....are the same. So I believe it's relevant, it's just that one happens to be a service provided by an establishment (which can be run by an individual) and the other happens to be a service provided by an individual (who can be working for an an establishment).

It is a bit of a shit situation because on one hand it's their choice, but on the other hand it's wrong.
You go and tell a girl who she has to sleep with.
:rolleyes:

Like I said, whether discrimination is right or wrong, in this situation it's irrelevant.
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20 years ago I saw this back in phone booths. After a punt  I asked just out of curiosity If it was about size she said it wasn’t.

 The problem is if you don’t have a problem with this, what is your opinion on discriminating for things like housing restrictions, entry to pubs, jobs etc.  remember not very long ago in the 60s this was the norm...
There are still plenty of private landlords who only rent tocertain ethnic groups , your house your rules.
Just this year i had a hooker in Nth London give me the old "youve got a big cock" bs and i said to her stfu it cant be big compared to all the black cocks she gets and she said she dosnt see black guys and i asked why and she said because they are too much grief. So if you were a landlord and you had experience of a certain ethnic group destroying your property , not paying the rent and making it smell bad you might naturally develop a disinclination to rent to them , from your pov of equal rights and non discrimination its obviously unfortunate but so long as certain ethnic groups manifest negative characteristics irl its naturally going to happen, is it just pragmatism or racism idk.

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You go and tell a girl who she has to sleep with.
:rolleyes:

Like I said, whether discrimination is right or wrong, in this situation it's irrelevant.
So, from a WGs pov what would you mainly put it down to... As I've said some profiles say:due to bad experiences with black men?  :unknown: or is it one of the reasons amongst others a previous poster stated... Big cock... Pretty sure some white guys have big cocks and can be arseholes in bookings aswell... Just saying....  :hi:

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There are still plenty of private landlords who only rent tocertain ethnic groups , your house your rules.
Just this year i had a hooker in Nth London give me the old "youve got a big cock" bs and i said to her stfu it cant be big compared to all the black cocks she gets and she said she dosnt see black guys and i asked why and she said because they are too much grief. So if you were a landlord and you had experience of a certain ethnic group destroying your property , not paying the rent and making it smell bad you might naturally develop a disinclination to rent to them , from your pov of equal rights and non discrimination its obviously unfortunate but so long as certain ethnic groups manifest negative characteristics irl its naturally going to happen, is it just pragmatism or racism idk.
Yes, all black guys have big cocks and all white guys are tiny.
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Offline nightbot

You go and tell a girl who she has to sleep with.
:rolleyes:

Like I said, whether discrimination is right or wrong, in this situation it's irrelevant.
I don't mean to a douche but what you're saying is valid if it was a girl making decision on whether to sleep or not with someone after seeing or speaking to the person, when it's done without either of them there isn't much grounds to say that it's a valid and fair choice especially when the line of work itself is based on having sleeping with complete strangers.

But still, I already agreed that it's their choice, but it does not mean it's irrelevant here in this case and they cannot be criticised for that choice if the cause of discrimination is something archaic like racial prejudice. Mind you that it was also the choice of bar owners to not let non whites inside their bar. And objecting to that meant telling that bar owner how to run their business, yet that didn't stop people from criticising that practice.
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Just like it was the choice of bar owners not letting non whites inside their bar. And objecting to that would be telling that bar owner how to run their business, yet that didn't stop people from criticising that practice. I already agreed that it's their choice, but it does not mean it's irrelevant and they cannot be criticised for that choice if the cause of discrimination is something archaic like racial prejudice.
If you can't see the difference then...
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If you can't see the difference then...
:rolleyes:
If you see your line of work as a service and still can't see the similarity in those situations despite my previous post where I talk about exactly why I feel they are fairly similar then I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

And at the end of the day it's on to the people who are affected by it to decide whether they feel these situations to be similar or not, as these are things that a white person can simply not understand to the same level because they have never experienced it themselves, and
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 Actually I’m pretty sure this is against the law.  They are providing a service  and discrimination based on race is illegal.  Imagine if a masseuse said no blacks,  it’s basically the same thing.
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If a girl doesn't wish to see a prospective client for whatever reason, justifiable or not, any meeting will not be a success so the only solution is to move on to someone who is happy to accept the booking.

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Actually I’m pretty sure this is against the law.  They are providing a service  and discrimination based on race is illegal.  Imagine if a masseuse said no blacks,  it’s basically the same thing.

You do realise that having sex with someone without consent is rape don't you? that includes escorts. Do you really think any court is going to tell an escort she has to shag someone she doesn't want to.   :unknown:

Before action for discrimination can be taken it has to be shown that unlawful discrimination has taken place according to the Equality Act 2010. As any woman is within her rights to refuse to have sex if she doesn't want to, I can't see how it can be classed as discrimination. Prejudice maybe, not discrimination in my opinion.

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You do realise that having sex with someone without consent is rape don't you? that includes escorts. Do you really think any court is going to tell an escort she has to shag someone she doesn't want to.   :unknown:

Before action for discrimination can be taken it has to be shown that unlawful discrimination has taken place according to the Equality Act 2010. As any woman is within her rights to refuse to have sex if she doesn't want to, I can't see how it can be classed as discrimination. Prejudice maybe, not discrimination in my opinion.

That's it in a nutshell. This subject has been done to death on forums over the years. You can argue that it falls foul of discrimination laws which it probably does. However this also involves the laws around sexual consent. All Laws have to be tested in court and to date after many years and to my knowledge this has never been tested. One assumes that is because it would be accepted that rape trumps discrimination.
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That's it in a nutshell. This subject has been done to death on forums over the years. You can argue that it falls foul of discrimination laws which it probably does. However this also involves the laws around sexual consent. All Laws have to be tested in court and to date after many years and to my knowledge this has never been tested. One assumes that is because it would be accepted that rape trumps discrimination.

It does indeed - no court of law would rule that out as a form of discrimination.  Sexual consent > racial discrimination :hi:

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HOLD ON!

Metalgear are you even black ?

I must admit, that surprised me.
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Perhaps they just don't want to be robbed  :hi:

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If you can't see the difference then...
... it's unlikely they'll  understand even when the difference is laid out in detail.  Still, there's always a small chance.

Two important concepts here are 'sexual disgust'  & 'innate racial aversion'  (as opposed to racism based on stereotypes).

Sexual disgust is something that stops folk wanting sex with all but the fittest of partners.  It's affects women much more than men, which makes sense per the biological differences, e.g. female anatomy being more vulnerable to STDs , etc. Different women have different levels of sexual disgust - those who work as whores long term will often have much less than average.  Still, some WG's will still have a close to average level of disgust, these are the ones who have to mostly fake their enjoyment with us unattractive middle aged men.

'Innate racial aversion' is something that the vast majority of the world's population seem to have. There's been studies finding that even toddlers have a preference to play with others of their own ethnicity - and that this preference is stronger than their desire to play with others of the same gender & social class.

Granted there's a sizeable minority who don't have any aversion for other ethnicities - people also have an innate tendency to seek out diversity, in some individuals this counter balancing tendency is the stronger.

And even for those with a strong innate aversion, it doesn't have that big an impact on normal social interactions.  (Unlike despicable unchallenged racial stereotypes.)  E.g. ,  even two people of different colours & maxed out innate racial aversions could easily become platonic friends if they were otherwise compatible.  Yet when it comes to that most intimate of relations, an above average innate aversion can make the act quite unthinkable for a lass who isn't lucky enough to have low levels of sexual disgust.

I don't know for sure, but I'd guess the above is the most common reason for ethnic refusals - sometimes concerns about dick size or bad experiences will be white lies.  Of course sometimes they are not,  e.g. sometimes ethnic women will refuse to see their own ethnicity.


PS - just in case the above is disheartening to any non white punters, it is also the case that:

* Some white women actually prefer black or brown skinned men.
* Most other WGs dont mind either way,  any very slight ethnic aversion they might have is much less than the aversion they have to unattractive, old, overweight punters of their own race, and easily overcame by the inducement of a punters hard earned cash.

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I know it's an escorts choice. But don't you just hate it when she looks good in the pics. Has the curves in the right places, offers the services you require and then when you scroll down it says "sorry no black gentlemen ".

I don't know what it would feel like to be refused for your skin colour. But it is sometimes annoying to see a WG I'm attracted to & then not be able to book as I don't have a AW profile with reviews.    Grrrr!

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I don't know what it would feel like to be refused for your skin colour. But it is sometimes annoying to see a WG I'm attracted to & then not be able to book as I don't have a AW profile with reviews.    Grrrr!
I imagine it would be particularly aggrovating if you were of an affected ethnic minority but contrary to the presiding predjudice you didnt have a big cock and wernt badly behaved , that would be like drawing the short straw and getting kicked in the bollocks as well.

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I was perhaps being presumptuous in directly correlating the percentage of black/ethnic in the general population (I think around 10%?), with that of the male punting community.


"according to the 2011 Census, the total population of England and Wales was 56.1 million, and 86.0% of the population was White"

Offline winkywanky

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Two important concepts here are 'sexual disgust'  & 'innate racial aversion'  (as opposed to racism based on stereotypes).

Sexual disgust is something that stops folk wanting sex with all but the fittest of partners.  It's affects women much more than men, which makes sense per the biological differences, e.g. female anatomy being more vulnerable to STDs , etc. Different women have different levels of sexual disgust - those who work as whores long term will often have much less than average.  Still, some WG's will still have a close to average level of disgust, these are the ones who have to mostly fake their enjoyment with us unattractive middle aged men.

'Innate racial aversion' is something that the vast majority of the world's population seem to have. There's been studies finding that even toddlers have a preference to play with others of their own ethnicity - and that this preference is stronger than their desire to play with others of the same gender & social class.

Granted there's a sizeable minority who don't have any aversion for other ethnicities - people also have an innate tendency to seek out diversity, in some individuals this counter balancing tendency is the stronger.

And even for those with a strong innate aversion, it doesn't have that big an impact on normal social interactions.  (Unlike despicable unchallenged racial stereotypes.)  E.g. ,  even two people of different colours & maxed out innate racial aversions could easily become platonic friends if they were otherwise compatible.  Yet when it comes to that most intimate of relations, an above average innate aversion can make the act quite unthinkable for a lass who isn't lucky enough to have low levels of sexual disgust.

I don't know for sure, but I'd guess the above is the most common reason for ethnic refusals - sometimes concerns about dick size or bad experiences will be white lies.  Of course sometimes they are not,  e.g. sometimes ethnic women will refuse to see their own ethnicity.


PS - just in case the above is disheartening to any non white punters, it is also the case that:

* Some white women actually prefer black or brown skinned men.
* Most other WGs dont mind either way,  any very slight ethnic aversion they might have is much less than the aversion they have to unattractive, old, overweight punters of their own race, and easily overcame by the inducement of a punters hard earned cash.


You make some very good points about 'sexual disgust' and 'innate racial aversion' . And I think they can both be reasons why some WGs have a NBA policy.

I have no idea what the proportion of NBA WGs who feel that way is, but I doubt such girls would then cite spurious reasons such as 'can't take the D' or 'previous bad experiences' as a covering story, because this would be potentially antagonistic. I think it's much likelier that they would just be up-front and say 'for personal reasons' or 'not my type' which I think are the commonly used WG-euphemisms for what you describe.

When a girl states NBA because of 'size issues', I think that's probably bullshit because there are black guys with small/average cocks, in exactly the same way that there are white guys who have larger cocks. If it were really about size, surely the girl would just state so? Infact that would be 'letting guys down gently' with what male society would consider a compliment, ie you have a big cock. And of course many girls do state a size limit, they'll state 'no big cocks' or perhaps even a specific size (and yes, we do all know the size of our cocks, it's a preoccupation with virtually all boys from onset of puberty to shortly after).




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"according to the 2011 Census, the total population of England and Wales was 56.1 million, and 86.0% of the population was White"


OK then, 14% instead of 10%  :rolleyes:

But what I'm saying is still relevant, even based on 14%. If a girl stated 'no whites', on average she'd be turning away 86% of potential punters (and as I said earlier, obviously this wuod vary depending on whether a rural or inner city area).




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The most common reason they've given when I've asked is that the black punters they've seen have fucked them very aggressively. A few others have said because of size.

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The most common reason they've given when I've asked is that the black punters they've seen have fucked them very aggressively. A few others have said because of size.

I have asked around 20 WGs this in the north east (hand on heart I have) during bookings in my 10 years of punting and the response I got back every single time was when they say black and Asian men, they mean Muslim men. As they treat and talk to them worse than shit inside the bookings so as a result ban all black and Asian men as a response to this.

I was waiting for someone else to raise this to be honest. I cannot believe I am the only person this was said to.

And before anyone dives on me, or calls me a liar, for proof here is Skylah Rhodes saying it - a very highly respected WG in the NE.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=109903.msg1283016#msg1283016
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I have asked around 20 WGs this in the north east (hand on heart I have) during bookings in my 10 years of punting and the response I got back every single time was when they say black and Asian men, they mean Muslim men. As they treat and talk to them worse than shit inside the bookings so as a result ban all black and Asian men as a response to this.

I was waiting for someone else to raise this to be honest. I cannot believe I am the only person this was said to.

And before anyone dives on me, or calls me a liar, for proof here is Skylah Rhodes saying it - a very highly respected WG in the NE.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=109903.msg1283016#msg1283016


If that's true, she's shot herself in the foot somewhat, most black guys (although I think the number might be increasing) are not Muslim, so she's needlessly excluding a lot of black guys.

I'm sure I've seen some WGs actually stipulate a no-Muslim policy, although I guess many might be worried about some kind of backlash/legal issue?

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I have asked around 20 WGs this in the north east (hand on heart I have) during bookings in my 10 years of punting and the response I got back every single time was when they say black and Asian men, they mean Muslim men. As they treat and talk to them worse than shit inside the bookings so as a result ban all black and Asian men as a response to this.

I was waiting for someone else to raise this to be honest. I cannot believe I am the only person this was said to.

And before anyone dives on me, or calls me a liar, for proof here is Skylah Rhodes saying it - a very highly respected WG in the NE.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=109903.msg1283016#msg1283016
:rolleyes:
That thread doesn't really prove anything.
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I'm sure I've seen some WGs actually stipulate a no-Muslim policy, although I guess many might be worried about some kind of backlash/legal issue?

In this insane world we are in right now, its a lot more socially acceptable to say "no blacks please" than it is to say "no muslims"....

Saying the latter and the SJW's would want to kill you. Saying the former and they don't really care that much.
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That thread proves nothing.

Then ask the girls yourself what the reason is they have this ban in place, which was my initial response to this topic.

I ask them, and this is the response I got back in the north east.

Maybe people get a different response in other regions...
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Offline finn5555

Loads say no Asians what’s the big deal   :unknown:

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That's the whole point, a lot of Asians do want a big deal...20% off normally.

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That's the whole point, a lot of Asians do want a big deal...20% off normally.

Well they just say no then don’t they, I can’t see what the fuss is all about really

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You didn't even titter at my (admittedly weak) attempt at a joke :rolleyes:

But yes, just like the NBA policy, no use whingeing about it endlessly, it won't get you anywhere, just see WGs who do want to see you, and set about breaking the 'unfair stereotypes' with your own good behaviour  :hi:.

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But yes, just like the NBA policy, no use whingeing about it endlessly, it won't get you anywhere,

Precisely. It is what it is. Nothing will change .. never has, never will. Analysing the reasons is pointless, not least because they are varied, complex and frequently untruthful. Legally the topic is stalemate.

Got to hand it to Metalgear though .... another two pager despite saying he wasn't going to post again  :D

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Yes, he seems to drop his little thread-bomb and then just fades away into the distance while it all runs its course  :D.

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That's the whole point, a lot of Asians do want a big deal...20% off normally.

I don't believe that is the reason. No punter would say, I am a Muslim, or I am Asian, please give me a discount, whilst on the telephone making the booking.

No punter would arrange a booking at a certain rate and then try and get a discount inside the room itself. So it will be during the booking process that a discount is asked for. And thus a random adult work name the email is sent from, or a random voice on the telephone you won't know who the religion/ethnicity of who it is you are speaking to, for you to thus put a blanket ban in place due to it.

Daisy May in the northeast up until she moved to Teeside had a FAQ question saying, do you see Muslim men. And she said in response to it, yes, for 30mins initially, and if everything goes ok you can book again for longer.

Why would she do that if it was due to them wanting a discount?
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I don't believe that is the reason. No punter would say, I am a Muslim, or I am Asian, please give me a discount, whilst on the telephone making the booking.

No punter would arrange a booking at a certain rate and then try and get a discount inside the room itself. So it will be during the booking process that a discount is asked for. And thus a random adult work name the email is sent from, or a random voice on the telephone you won't know who the religion/ethnicity of who it is you are speaking to, for you to thus put a blanket ban in place due to it.

Daisy May in the northeast up until she moved to Teeside had a FAQ question saying, do you see Muslim men. And she said in response to it, yes, for 30mins initially, and if everything goes ok you can book again for longer.

Why would she do that if it was due to them wanting a discount?


How can you know punters don't do that? You don't.

Asians from the Indian sub-continent are notorious for haggling with WGs.

I'm not a WG, but I should imagine a booking is made and then when the punter turns up he says 'I'll give you such and such' instead of the girl's stated rate. At that point the WG has the choice of either telling him to fuck off (and the time slot is now dead-time unless she gets lucky), or accept the bullshit presented to her.

The fact remains, Asians (AFAIK specifically Muslim) have a bad rep because of this, and as ever the good guys who I'm sure are in the majority, are fucked up by their stingy compatriots.

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No punter would arrange a booking at a certain rate and then try and get a discount inside the room itself.

Of course they would, best time to negotiate, the Pro$sie has set side the hour and if she doesn't agree to the discount she's got a wasted hour and no income, and of course she will be able to smell the notes in his pocket when he arrives and be reluctant to let him leave with cash in pocket  :hi:

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HOLD ON!

Metalgear are you even black ?

I must admit, that surprised me.

Yes I am black. Why are you surprised?

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Of course they would, best time to negotiate, the Pro$sie has set side the hour and if she doesn't agree to the discount she's got a wasted hour and no income, and of course she will be able to smell the notes in his pocket when he arrives and be reluctant to let him leave with cash in pocket  :hi:

Yes haggling is very common.


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Nothing wrong with haggling , no harm so long as its done at the initial stage rather than potentially wasting an sps time. It pisses me off when sps say in there profiles  they dont budge on price and all that about you woudnt haggle at the till in tescos , but tescos arnt charging £200 for a tin of beans.
No harm in querying flexibility on price , good indicator if an sp is too far up herself

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Yet when it comes to that most intimate of relations, an above average innate aversion can make the act quite unthinkable for a lass who isn't lucky enough to have low levels of sexual disgust.


Good discussion post all round. Innate aversion or 'implicit bias' is something of a controversial topic within psychology. However Sexual Disgust is a fascinating subject especially in relation to prostitution.

Sexual disgust is considered to be an intrinsic human defence mechanism. Bodily fluids such saliva and sweat or faecal material are disgust factors. Ethnicity? Not sure?

In order to procreate, arousal is considered important in overcoming disgust.

“A man, who will kiss a pretty girl’s mouth passionately, may perhaps be disgusted by the idea of using her tooth-brush.” Sigmund Freud.

Women have much higher levels of sexual disgust than men.

Female arousal is frequently absent or minimal in prostitution (although income instead comes into the equation  :)). Repeated frequent exposure may also help overcome disgust, but equally can eventually have the opposite effect and produce burnout.

In the absence of sexual arousal in prostitution, perhaps ethnicity may become a more important sexual disgust factor than it would otherwise be? Not sure?
It seems difficult to accept that an SP could better tolerate an ugly, overweight, smelly white guy than a black guy with these attributes absent?
« Last Edit: October 29, 2019, 01:48:41 pm by Doc Holliday »

Offline winkywanky

Nothing wrong with haggling , no harm so long as its done at the initial stage rather than potentially wasting an sps time. It pisses me off when sps say in there profiles  they dont budge on price and all that about you woudnt haggle at the till in tescos , but tescos arnt charging £200 for a tin of beans.
No harm in querying flexibility on price , good indicator if an sp is too far up herself


You can always try, and depending on how you go about it and whether the WG is in a receptive mood or currently having a dsuty phone, you may strike lucky.

But most will tell you to fuck off, and many will blacklist you.

Offline winkywanky

In order to procreate, arousal is considered important in overcoming disgust.


I guess that about says it all really  :lol:

In terms of overcoming disgust, alcohol is considered useful, and in extreme cases, a bag on the head.

Offline winkywanky

“A man, who will kiss a pretty girl’s mouth passionately, may perhaps be disgusted by the idea of using her tooth-brush.” Sigmund Freud.

Women have much higher levels of sexual disgust than men.

Interesting point, in the throes of passion the disgust factor can indeed go out of the window.

Example: I like licking girl's arseholes (only clean ones, mind). It drives me nuts, and hopefully, them too. I wouldn't mind betting that a lot of girls who'd never considered it and find it outwardly disgusting, once engaged in a fully-committed sexual encounter, would probably very much enjoy it.

Years ago now, I saw a young WG a few times (she of the voodoo fudge-knickers I posted about a few days ago). After being deeply-rimmed for the 1st 3 or 4 meetings (she tasted amazing and it didn't bother me that she wasn't reciprocating), she realised how much pleasure it was giving her and decided to lash out herself, so to speak. Very nice it was too  :angelgirl:. But it wasn't in her Enjoys and I was old enough to be her (very dirty) dad.

Offline winkywanky

One thing I have noticed, and Doc, I don't know whether you're in a position to bear me out on this: I've come across several WGs - both in person, and also just reading their AW profiles - who either were or still are, nurses, and they're much more likely to do the more edgy stuff like rimming and swallow. Especially the slightly older ones (and not the younger ones with 'degrees' and an inflated sense of their own importance).

To put it bluntly, nurses are often dirtier than your average woman. I guess they see and deal with so much shit in their working lives, they're less squeamish?

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Interesting point, in the throes of passion the disgust factor can indeed go out of the window.

Example: I like licking girl's arseholes (only clean ones, mind). It drives me nuts, and hopefully, them too. I wouldn't mind betting that a lot of girls who'd never considered it and find it outwardly disgusting, once engaged in a fully-committed sexual encounter, would probably very much enjoy it.

Years ago now, I saw a young WG a few times (she of the voodoo fudge-knickers I posted about a few days ago). After being deeply-rimmed for the 1st 3 or 4 meetings (she tasted amazing and it didn't bother me that she wasn't reciprocating), she realised how much pleasure it was giving her and decided to lash out herself, so to speak. Very nice it was too  :angelgirl:. But it wasn't in her Enjoys and I was old enough to be her (very dirty) dad.

Indeed.

Sex is a 'disgusting' activity with health risks from pathogens and risk of pain. Yet arousal can overcome it. The stronger the arousal potentially more disgust factors can be overcome. In men it generally takes less arousal than women for it to happen.

That said personally I cannot imagine a level of arousal which would allow someone nail my testicles to a board  :D