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Offline Jimmyredcab

Yes, I got that impression too.

Suspect she has serious desires to try it out herself as she is now mixing with many that could help her set herself up.

or, maybe she has done so already on a smaller scale already!  (if so, good news for JRC)   :drinks:

The strange thing is that I did meet a pro$$ie a few years ago who was a double for Billie JD Porter, she called herself "Delicious Delight" and was using a friends flat in Chiswick, her rate was a bargain £100 an hour, she never lasted long, her profile disappeared shortly after.

Offline CBPaul

Great stuff about the eggy bit ;)

I agree with you about the presenter, I do think they should have used a proper presenter and a more mature one at that to do a better balanced and informative programme. When I see pretty young presenters pretending to be even younger and looking cute and shocked at porn or prostitution or whatever it feels to me more of a titillating programme rather than and investigative one.

That's why I said  I would love someone like Kirsty Wark doing something like this, she would command more presence and probably sound more believable.

Titillating - that's the very word for it. The same as Stacey Dooley (or whatever her name is) and not so far removed from Jodie Marsh in terms of credibility. How about a male presenter for a change ? Jeremy Paxman (no nonsense), Stephen Fry (unflappable and immune to the ladies) or Jeremy Clarkson (for a laugh).

Offline CBPaul

Ann Widecombe maybe?  :lol:

Yes, the lass was definitely trying to make herself appear even younger with her hairstyle.

Ann Widecombe did a programme a few years back. Quite one sided of course but very entertaining as 1/3 of it was street prossies in Peterborough. Just so happened she had a couple of very candid interviews with a girl I had picked up myself in my old street punting days.
It is still on youtube under Ann Widecome versus Prostitution.

Offline Jimmyredcab



Yes, the lass was definitely trying to make herself appear even younger with her hairstyle.

I doubt you would say no ---------- truly stunning.   :drinks:

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Offline akauya

Titillating - that's the very word for it. The same as Stacey Dooley (or whatever her name is) and not so far removed from Jodie Marsh in terms of credibility. How about a male presenter for a change ? Jeremy Paxman (no nonsense), Stephen Fry (unflappable and immune to the ladies) or Jeremy Clarkson (for a laugh).

NIK suggesting Ann Widdecombe and now you Jeremy Clarkson  :scare: :scare: :lol:

I bet Clarkson would have to road test the prossies first to give an opinion :D


vorian

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Titillating - that's the very word for it. The same as Stacey Dooley (or whatever her name is) and not so far removed from Jodie Marsh in terms of credibility. How about a male presenter for a change ? Jeremy Paxman (no nonsense), Stephen Fry (unflappable and immune to the ladies) or Jeremy Clarkson (for a laugh).

I too was wrong with my thoughts on what the programme was going to be like before broadcast,  lesson duly noted.  It was more balanced than I thought it would be, still a missed opportunity imo. Very light without any real journalistic edge. Guess that would be too much to expect in an hour programme.

Has anyone ever seen a TV programme that seems to accurately represent what modern punting is about,  I can't recall one myself which is a real shame.

Offline LanceVance

Just watched the programme on iPlayer and here on my thoughts:

1) I have seen the comedian and he comes across to me as a poor man's Russell Brand. He did have earnest points and I think it was important to go into what brought him into punting. What should be noted though is that the set I saw him perform at the Edinburgh Fringe (before you ask, I didn't punt there) concentrated on his experiences in Bangkok, which wasn't explored I assume for budget reasons.

2) It was a bit annoying that they only focussed on young punters, but I can understand this as it in a way that it bust the stereotype of punters only being old men in rain-macs, although it did perhaps focus too much on those who choose to punt as opposed to those who are unable to pull and so use punting as a means to an end. Also, those young guys are much braver than me. If I was approached, they would have to treat me as if I was in the SAS!  :D

3) Good to see a girl who chose the business and doing well represented by Louise Kay. I wouldn't though, her tatts put me right off!  :thumbsdown:

4) This programme showed that the law is currently an ass with regards to brothels and really ought to be corrected. Sex work is risky and that risk only increases if a girl doesn't have the security of safety in numbers. It is good that the police (mostly) use their common sense like the police chief shown, but I fear if any politician attempted to do that, the Daily Mail would skin them alive.

5)Becky Adams and Louise Kay are right, women who choose this work should be able to use brothels for safety and be listened to. They provide an angle of feminist discourse that should, but never will be taken seriously by the middle-class  :manhater: cult that sees women who do not look and sound like them as alien, and thus should be ignored.

6)If Billie Porter was a WG, she would defo be on my Hot List, but would probably well above my pay grade.  :dash:

On the whole, much better than I expected.  :thumbsup:

Gordo987

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Just watched the programme on iPlayer and here on my thoughts:

1) I have seen the comedian and he comes across to me as a poor man's Russell Brand. He did have earnest points and I think it was important to go into what brought him into punting. What should be noted though is that the set I saw him perform at the Edinburgh Fringe (before you ask, I didn't punt there) concentrated on his experiences in Bangkok, which wasn't explored I assume for budget reasons.

2) It was a bit annoying that they only focussed on young punters, but I can understand this as it in a way that it bust the stereotype of punters only being old men in rain-macs, although it did perhaps focus too much on those who choose to punt as opposed to those who are unable to pull and so use punting as a means to an end. Also, those young guys are much braver than me. If I was approached, they would have to treat me as if I was in the SAS!  :D

3) Good to see a girl who chose the business and doing well represented by Louise Kay. I wouldn't though, her tatts put me right off!  :thumbsdown:

4) This programme showed that the law is currently an ass with regards to brothels and really ought to be corrected. Sex work is risky and that risk only increases if a girl doesn't have the security of safety in numbers. It is good that the police (mostly) use their common sense like the police chief shown, but I fear if any politician attempted to do that, the Daily Mail would skin them alive.

5)Becky Adams and Louise Kay are right, women who choose this work should be able to use brothels for safety and be listened to. They provide an angle of feminist discourse that should, but never will be taken seriously by the middle-class  :manhater: cult that sees women who do not look and sound like them as alien, and thus should be ignored.

6)If Billie Porter was a WG, she would defo be on my Hot List, but would probably well above my pay grade.  :dash:

On the whole, much better than I expected:thumbsup:

I agree with all of these observations (does anybody not fancy Billie?)

To those that know who they are, the words 'jump' and 'gun'  :wacko:

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Offline Qwerty

In case anyone's including me among the "jumping the gun" comments, I'd like to point out that I made no mention of any expectations for this programme, rather about journalism on the subject in general - which I think most of us would agree is pretty negative.

Glad to hear it if this time they evened up the odds a bit.

Offline unclepokey

I thought this a relatively well balanced report and it well exposed the flaws in the law re brothels It initially focussed too much on the younger punter demand. But boys will be boys. The older punter and his perhaps gentler approach was rather well expressed I thought by one of the prostitutes interviewed.
PC Plod was absolutely on point I thought. His views were (although he might never care to admit it) completely at one with the brothel reform ideas that so many of members have from time to time expressed.

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Offline CBPaul

I agree with all of these observations (does anybody not fancy Billie?)

To those that know who they are, the words 'jump' and 'gun'  :wacko:

Just making observations on previous programmes that have been a waste of time viewing and entering into a debate on it. Have also happily admitted above that on some counts I was wrong, it was a better programme than I anticipated.

As for Billie, if she did open that brothel I'd be in the queue. Just hope she wouldn't take too much advice from Madam Becky on time wasting.

Offline Jimmyredcab



As for Billie, if she did open that brothel I'd be in the queue. Just hope she wouldn't take too much advice from Madam Becky on time wasting.

What was all that bollocks about ginger nut biscuits, in many hundreds of punts I have never been offered ----- or wanted, tea and biscuits.     :crazy: :crazy:

Offline Marmalade

Stacey Dooley Investigates the Truth on Prague did exactly the same K5 tour / interview same time last year.

Also BBC 3

Exactly. She never reveals anything new. But it was good balanced PR for punting. Loved the way her eyes widened at the earnings figures.  :D

Offline Convince Me

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Offline Jimmyredcab

Exactly. She never reveals anything new. But it was good balanced PR for punting. Loved the way her eyes widened at the earnings figures.  :D

Yes, I noticed that ------------------- but it is not something she could "dabble in", she either sticks with her career or crosses the line in the sand, she has to make a choice.   :hi:

vorian

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Yes, I noticed that ------------------- but it is not something she could "dabble in", she either sticks with her career or crosses the line in the sand, she has to make a choice.   :hi:

Wasn't she fucking one of the boy bands. I'm sure that counts a being a prossie anyway. Wonder if she declared those earnings.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Wasn't she fucking one of the boy bands.

There was a rumour regarding Harry Styles ----------------- but he is probably fucking all and sundry, lucky bastard.   :hi:

GeeWiz

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Not bad, but too much lap dancing footage used as wallpaper.  Plus no need to do that spot on her web camming.  Both different worlds IMO.

Only once have I been given a cup of coffee at a MP and that was because it was a freezing winter morning.  Luckily she didn't put it on a toilet seat for me.

You gotta feel sorry for the people who live next door to those short-term rental flats.

Offline Steve2



You gotta feel sorry for the people who live next door to those short-term rental flats.

A lot of them are doing exactly the same thing  :rolleyes:

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Offline lovetopunt

I must say it was actually quite good and very balanced view. Now everyone now about AW and MissLouiseKay.

My view is as long as it is the girl free choice, there's nothing wrong selling their body and make money of it. I don't earn £90,000 a year, so it is a very good career after all if you are successful, so people should not think it is wrong to be a WG. 

Offline alenski

my thoughts on the programme 1]i think the prostitute chosen for the interview is very atypical in that she earned £89,000in two years from camming and also worked as a successful outcall wg.if you read the read the threads on saafe some girls are barely making  the rent money at this time of year. 2] the punters being interviewed were also totally unrepresentive of the clients wg,s normally see ie middle aged men about 30to 60 or in my case 69.

Offline akauya

Exactly. She never reveals anything new. But it was good balanced PR for punting. Loved the way her eyes widened at the earnings figures.  :D

Yeah I noticed that too.. I could just imagine her thinking hmmmm that's a hell of lot more money than I'm getting here. If she ever finds herself unemployed she now knows what she can do :)


Jay-Jay

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I don't know....she just looked filthy to me in the "needs a good wash" way !

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Gordo987

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my thoughts on the programme 1]i think the prostitute chosen for the interview is very atypical in that she earned £89,000in two years from camming and also worked as a successful outcall wg.if you read the read the threads on saafe some girls are barely making  the rent money at this time of year. 2] the punters being interviewed were also totally unrepresentive of the clients wg,s normally see ie middle aged men about 30to 60 or in my case 69.

Roughly, it works out that if a WG charges £100 an hour and she seen 3 punters a day, working 6 days a week she could gross about 90k in a year. What the overheads are, I wouldn't have a clue.  :unknown:

Offline Marmalade

Roughly, it works out that if a WG charges £100 an hour and she seen 3 punters a day, working 6 days a week she could gross about 90k in a year. What the overheads are, I wouldn't have a clue.  :unknown:
You mean things like bus fares for signing on?

Offline Convince Me

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domino131

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An interesting an pretty well balanced program.  The tea and biscuits things was a bit of a WTF moment.  I didn't see the point in going to Prague, and that whole section felt like it was meant to be all 'look how weird this is!'.  I also felt like the very final lines of narration were put in there as a sort of obligatory thing to make sure they couldn't be accused of ending on a pro-prostitution note.

The main comment that bothered me though was from one of the young bloke's female friends, who said she couldn't understand it when 'it's so easy to go out and sleep with someone'.  I think this was her talking from a fairly blinkered perspective as a good-looking young woman, who I would think gets approached all the time when she goes out and would have no trouble herself if she wanted a one-night-stand.

Offline Jerboa


You keep dreaming, I would be shocked if more than 10% of pro$$ies are registered with HMRC, why on earth would they want to.    :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Well that Louise wants to be telling the truth about paying tax, or she'll have HMRC all over her like a cheap suit.

Not sure why they went to Prague, or bothered setting up a brothel in the flat, Madam Becky was talking nonsense, 30 seconds of sex my arse.

Offline Bond

If Labour get in with a strong majority and Harman still at the reigns it could well do.  It's a pet project of hers.

I doubt it will with the Conservatives because they have a decent number of libertarians (Alan Duncan for example) amongst their ranks, and the leadership doesn't give enough of a shit to expend political capital forcing it through.

Any punter who votes Labour is a turkey voting for Christmas imo.

Agreed. I hope more people realise before it's too late.

Gordo987

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You mean things like bus fares for signing on?

No, I meant minders and medical checkups etc. :wacko:

Gordo987

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If Labour get in with a strong majority and Harman still at the reigns it could well do.  It's a pet project of hers.

I doubt it will with the Conservatives because they have a decent number of libertarians (Alan Duncan for example) amongst their ranks, and the leadership doesn't give enough of a shit to expend political capital forcing it through.

Any punter who votes Labour is a turkey voting for Christmas imo.

Yes, I noticed that when Labour was in power for all those years, there were far fewer massage parlours in Manchester and many more EE hookers in private houses :crazy:

FFS at least come up with something that would fool a 12 year old donkey. :thumbsdown:

Sienna_Bronze

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No, I meant minders and medical checkups etc. :wacko:

Minders as in childminders? I know mine takes a massive chunk of my wage!

Offline akauya

The tattooed girl has blogged about the programme:

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and in case you forgot - this is her

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Aspen

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The main comment that bothered me though was from one of the young bloke's female friends, who said she couldn't understand it when 'it's so easy to go out and sleep with someone'.

I noticed that too. The conversation was going okay up to that point. What a totally crass, ignorant thing to say. I wondered if she was primed to say it. From that point it sounded too much like reading from a script to me. It is surprising how many women think like that though.

Aspen

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Not sure why they went to Prague, or bothered setting up a brothel in the flat, Madam Becky was talking nonsense, 30 seconds of sex my arse.

Madam Becky always talked nonsense. I'm not sure she ever saw any action herself, she always had young girls working for her.

Aspen

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The tattooed girl has blogged about the programme:

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You're welcome to her. I don't mind the positive slant at all, that's good. But she's the sort of girl that really puts me off. Milking it as hard as she can go, and, no brain no pain. & the tats - ugh!

Offline akauya

You're welcome to her. I don't mind the positive slant at all, that's good. But she's the sort of girl that really puts me off. Milking it as hard as she can go, and, no brain no pain. & the tats - ugh!

So, you prefer prostitutes who do it for the love of mankind do you? As for the tats, can't stand them either, you obviously haven't read my last review.


Aspen

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So, you prefer prostitutes who do it for the love of mankind do you? As for the tats, can't stand them either, you obviously haven't read my last review.

That comment wasn't directed at you, it was a general 'you are all welcome to her'.

Prostitute, love of mankind - sounds like a contradiction in terms to me.

Offline Jimmyredcab



Not sure why they went to Prague, or bothered setting up a brothel in the flat, Madam Becky was talking nonsense, 30 seconds of sex my arse.

I bet she was paid a decent fee for spouting a load of bollocks.     :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

Fucking old trollop.    :thumbsdown:

Offline mh

I bet she was paid a decent fee for spouting a load of bollocks.     :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

Fucking old trollop.    :thumbsdown:

Makes a change from being paid to suck on a load of bollocks, I suppose.

Offline Marmalade

Makes a change from being paid to suck on a load of bollocks, I suppose.

how do you know she didn't get her presenter's job on "merit"?
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Offline Anadin

But she's the sort of girl that really puts me off. Milking it as hard as she can go, and, no brain no pain.

Really, apart from the tats she's exactly the kind of WG I'd want to see, well reviewed, positive about the job and likes the money. Honestly can't see too much wrong with that.

Offline akauya

But she's the sort of girl that really puts me off. Milking it as hard as she can go, and, no brain no pain.

Really, apart from the tats she's exactly the kind of WG I'd want to see, well reviewed, positive about the job and likes the money. Honestly can't see too much wrong with that.

Yep, me neither. I think our friend Aspen forgot that prostitutes fuck for money. That's why I was wondering if he was expecting a charity fuck :D


Offline ladiesman020

Miss Louise Kay looks like a good SP, she's probs lots and lots of fun but the tats are a major put off. Saying that I've seen katie at HOD and she was full of tattoos but she was FUNN and I didn't even notice the tats
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Offline mh

how do you know she didn't get her presenter's job on "merit"?
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I believe the comment was about Madam Becky, not the quite fuckable presenter.

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The presenter reminded me of the Gabriella Wark character from Waterloo Rd

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Aspen

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Yep, me neither. I think our friend Aspen forgot that prostitutes fuck for money. That's why I was wondering if he was expecting a charity fuck :D

If you want to get arsey that's up to you. But just because I express disinterest in paying a trollop who is not exactly the sharpest tool in the box, and looks like a painting gone wrong, £150 for half an hour, doesn't mean I'm looking for a free fuck.

I've been with smart girls who can string a good few sentences together for a lot less than half that. And it's not charity, it's a bit more like it.


Offline Taggart

Overall I thought it was a fair and balance programme, showing the plusses and minuses on both sides.

While I didnt care much for Louise Kay, far too many tats for me, I was taken aback by her £90,000 from webcamming. That's serious money, and shows there's an awful lot of sad bastards out there.  Cavorting in front of a webcam is a very safe and easy way to make money, and I bet it's sonmething the careers advisor never suggests !