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Author Topic: Tonight on BBC3 - Prostitution: What's The Harm?  (Read 21745 times)

Offline mattylondon

Are you one of these conspiracy theorists?

I was just re-stating the obvious and pointing out that the Beeb missed that altogether.  I only know from my own experience and what I hear. But it seems that most punts fit that description. Single guys who don't pull very often and married guys who aren't getting anything at home. I've been both at various times. I don't imagine there is much more than a minority that do it just for entertainment value.
You joined in February 2014, so wind your neck in, with regards to the 'springing up' comment.  :cool:

I think you're talking bollocks. Your 'observation' about men 'having to punt' because they couldn't get laid elsewhere is not only bollocks, but it has been made by quite a few UKP posters in the past, who actually turned out to be women, posing as punters. If you think that's a conspiracy theory, then I assume you're accusing admin and other long standing posters who've smoked out these trolls, as talking rubbish too. Are you making that accusation?

Where is your evidence to back up your general assertion? Where is your source material? Either put up or shut up.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2014, 02:40:04 PM by mattylondon »

Offline Gordo987

You joined in February 2014, so wind your neck in, with regards to the 'springing up' comment.  :cool:

I think you're talking bollocks. Your 'observation' about men 'having to punt' because they couldn't get laid elsewhere is not only bollocks, but it has been made by quite a few UKP posters in the past, who actually turned out to be women, posing as punters. If you think that's a conspiracy theory, then I assume you're accusing admin and other long standing posters who've smoked out these trolls, as talking rubbish too. Are you making that accusation?

Where is your evidence to back up your general assertion? Where is your source material? Either put up or shut up.

I don't agree, and I think you are being a typical keyboard bully. I've seen young men in wheelchairs being taken to massage parlours, for example, and if I wake up in the morning feeling horny, what do you think I would do? I'm not in a 'relationship' and although I'm not repulsive to look at, I know I can't go out and pick up a woman and fuck her on the same day, so I go to a massage parlour or set something up with a woman on AW. If ugly men - old or young - want to experience sex with an attractive young woman what, logically, are their options?  :unknown:
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Offline Aspen

If ugly men - old or young - want to experience sex with an attractive young woman what, logically, are their options?

+2

For me that sums up what prostitution is all about, and not just for ugly men either.

I've been through the process of meeting a nice companion and then having her hold out on me, use sex as leverage etc, so many times that it makes perfect sense to find an alternative. Women so often live on a different planet, and most of them don't seem to have any idea of the effect it has. My problem when I was young was that I was naïve and inhibited about these things and didn't learn that there are alternatives until much later.

How anyone can seriously purport to say it's bollocks that most men don't go to prostitutes because they have no real choice beats me. It really does.
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Curious6705

Watched this on iPlayer and found it fairly entertaining and undemanding. As others have pointed out BBC3 is Yoof TV which is why there is a focus on younger punters.

Participants seemed unshockable and relaxed about sex, and find it natural \ normal that it is something which can be purchased. One or two expressed that the view that the older generation is still hung up about sex.

To me this seems to chime with the view that seems to come up most times the issue of criminalising punters is discussed in the media now. A vocal minority wants the law to be toughened because they find prostitution offensive. Is that a good enough reason? Most programmes seem to at least entertain the idea that it is not.

Amused me that the only time I recall the Yoof TV presenter looking shocked was when she realised a WG was clocking up £1K a week webcamming!
« Last Edit: March 23, 2014, 12:24:26 PM by Curious6705 »

Participants seemed unshockable and relaxed about sex, and find it natural \ normal that it is something which can be purchased. One or two expressed that the view that the older generation is still hung up about sex.

To me this seems to chime with the view that seems to come up most times the issue of criminalising punters is discussed in the media now. A vocal minority wants the law to be toughened because they find prostitution offensive. Is that a good enough reason? Most programmes seem to at least entertain the idea that it is not.

It seems to me that the real reason that the criminalisers are against prostitution is because they believe that it's immoral, but realise that claiming to be protecting women from abuse is (quite rightly) a more persuasive argument to the general population.

Curious6705

It seems to me that the real reason that the criminalisers are against prostitution is because they believe that it's immoral, but realise that claiming to be protecting women from abuse is (quite rightly) a more persuasive argument to the general population.

Yes - and the arguments are well rehearsed - eg there are already laws against trafficking and coercion which protect women from abuse.

IMO they seek to light a moral "blue touch paper" which they hope will allow them to force new law through parliament - essentially believing that they will intimidate into silence any who might dare to speak against them.

That would be a triumph of demagoguery over rationality. It's interesting that the debate in the media seems to have shifted a little, to, as I said, questioning whether a vocal minority being offended justifies criminalising behaviour that on any rational basis is normal.

To put it another way, maybe the arguments put forward by the criminalisation lobby are becoming a little old, so far as the general population are concerned.

Yes - and the arguments are well rehearsed - eg there are already laws against trafficking and coercion which protect women from abuse.

Exactly - although there don't appear to have been many convictions for those offences, unless they've just passed me by.

I think some people genuinely believe that there's an issue with trafficking etc. because this aspect of it has been blown up in the press in recent times.  There was one guy in the quiz section of the show who said something about how he didn't think it should be legal.  My first instinct was to think he was an idiot, but really I think he just hadn't given the issue a lot of thought and, as with many people, it was his first instinct to think there was something wrong with it.  I would optimistically think that one could have a reasonably discussion with him and get him to see things differently.  But then for all I know he was coming at it from a strict religious point of view, or something like that, and couldn't be won round.

I think some people genuinely believe that there's an issue with trafficking etc. because this aspect of it has been blown up in the press in recent times.  There was one guy in the quiz section of the show who said something about how he didn't think it should be legal.  My first instinct was to think he was an idiot, but really I think he just hadn't given the issue a lot of thought and, as with many people, it was his first instinct to think there was something wrong with it.  I would optimistically think that one could have a reasonably discussion with him and get him to see things differently.  But then for all I know he was coming at it from a strict religious point of view, or something like that, and couldn't be won round.

There is a genuine issue with trafficking, but most proven cases of it that I've heard of appear to be people being used as domestic servants rather than as "sex slaves".  I expect most of us would agree that trafficking is wrong anyway, whether it's sex work-related or not.

Some of the ladies involved in the sex work route seem to take a pragmatic view of it as being the price they're prepared to pay to get into another country to hopefully begin a better life, working their passage if you like, which they wouldn't be able to do by any other means due to their circumstances.

A lot of people still assume that prostitution is illegal, which would affect their view of it.  If someone believes deep down that it's immoral then any amount of reasoned arguing is unlikely to change their mind: to them it's just wrong, full stop.

Offline Jerboa

There is a genuine issue with trafficking, but most proven cases of it that I've heard of appear to be people being used as domestic servants rather than as "sex slaves".  I expect most of us would agree that trafficking is wrong anyway, whether it's sex work-related or not.

Some of the ladies involved in the sex work route seem to take a pragmatic view of it as being the price they're prepared to pay to get into another country to hopefully begin a better life, working their passage if you like, which they wouldn't be able to do by any other means due to their circumstances.

A lot of people still assume that prostitution is illegal, which would affect their view of it.  If someone believes deep down that it's immoral then any amount of reasoned arguing is unlikely to change their mind: to them it's just wrong, full stop.

Many of the Thai girls are traffiked into the UK, because it's very hard for a Thai to get a Visa, so many get middlemen to arrange it, and then pay something like 30k bond back when they get here, but the ladies make that choice, as hopefully they will earn a lot more in UK.

Offline seedygit

I was interviewed by a BBC researcher with a view to being on either this or a similar prog.  They didn't feature me in the end, I assume because I wasn't willing for my real name or face to be shown.

I was interviewed by a BBC researcher with a view to being on either this or a similar prog.  They didn't feature me in the end, I assume because I wasn't willing for my real name or face to be shown.

I can imagine that is a major obstacle in making a programme like this.  How did they find you anyway?

Offline seedygit

An advert in the back of an art pamphlet, which I responded to.

Offline kingkong

I thought this a relatively well balanced report and it well exposed the flaws in the law re brothels It initially focussed too much on the younger punter demand. But boys will be boys. The older punter and his perhaps gentler approach was rather well expressed I thought by one of the prostitutes interviewed.
PC Plod was absolutely on point I thought. His views were (although he might never care to admit it) completely at one with the brothel reform ideas that so many of members have from time to time expressed.

Uncle Pokey

I think you are talking about the girl who charges £300 an hour and says she doesn't like younger punters as they "think they can just plough through me for an hour". She prefers older clients as she might only have to do 30 seconds sex in that hour, I think she said. If I am paying a girl (and an average girl at that) £300 an hour, then... sweetheart!... I will be shagging you for as much as that hour as possible. I am sick of these deluded Pro$$ies that think they are supermodels.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2014, 07:43:21 PM by kingkong »

Offline Jerboa

I think you are talking about the girl who charges £300 an hour and says she doesn't like younger punters as they "think they can just plough through me for an hour". She prefers older clients as she might only have to do 30 seconds sex in that hour, I think she said. If I am paying a girl (and an average girl at that) £300 an hour, then... sweetheart!... I will be shagging you for as much as that hour as possible. I am sick of these deluded Pro$$ies that think they are supermodels.

If you keen the girl with all the tattoos from Essex, she charges £200.

Offline ciscoxxx69

I think you are talking about the girl who charges £300 an hour and says she doesn't like younger punters as they "think they can just plough through me for an hour". She prefers older clients as she might only have to do 30 seconds sex in that hour, I think she said. If I am paying a girl (and an average girl at that) £300 an hour, then... sweetheart!... I will be shagging you for as much as that hour as possible. I am sick of these deluded Pro$$ies that think they are supermodels.

Well, Mr Kong...I met MissLouiseKay in Birmingham last August....
I was respectful, as I always am, and had a fantastic hour of filth with her for £200
If I lived near Chelmsford I would do it again....she was fun, dirty, horny fun to be with.
And I am over 50......
She is not the first WG I have met to suggest they prefer older Guys......in fact come to think of it, they have all said it.....
If, Reading this, you think I just sit there, chat for a bit, cum in 5 minutes, roll over and chat for another 45mins, then I suggest you read some of my reviews.
The implication from all WGs I have met is simply that most young 30 y/olds are mostly arrogant, disrespectful and lack social grace.....and are crap in bed.
She is entitled to sell her sex to just who she likes, surely?

Offline kingkong

Well, Mr Kong...I met MissLouiseKay in Birmingham last August....
I was respectful, as I always am, and had a fantastic hour of filth with her for £200
If I lived near Chelmsford I would do it again....she was fun, dirty, horny fun to be with.
And I am over 50......
She is not the first WG I have met to suggest they prefer older Guys......in fact come to think of it, they have all said it.....
If, Reading this, you think I just sit there, chat for a bit, cum in 5 minutes, roll over and chat for another 45mins, then I suggest you read some of my reviews.
The implication from all WGs I have met is simply that most young 30 y/olds are mostly arrogant, disrespectful and lack social grace.....and are crap in bed.
She is entitled to sell her sex to just who she likes, surely?

Errr..... watch the show again... she was the one who said she prefers the old men because of that reason, not me.  Do you think that when she has a boyfriend, she wouldn't want him to bang her silly for more than a couple of minutes?

Offline Jerboa

It's a bit of both, they know most of the clients are over 40, and usually less demanding than younger blokes, and on average with a older guy they know that there is less chance he's going to bang them hard for 60 mins, hence why Louise said she prefers middle aged blokes, as for a boyfriend that will be different, as business and pleasure are two different things.

It's a bit of both, they know most of the clients are over 40, and usually less demanding than younger blokes, and on average with a older guy they know that there is less chance he's going to bang them hard for 60 mins, hence why Louise said she prefers middle aged blokes, as for a boyfriend that will be different, as business and pleasure are two different things.

I think that trend has changed.  Cisco is good example of this, and I've put a good shift in recently too.  The over 40'/50's are in much better shape nowadays and have learned how to enjoy themselves. This will continue for the next 20/30 years, disposable income permitting!!

ps: as more pension pots from April 2015 are taken, I believe there will be a punting revolution too.   :drinks:


Offline vorian

I think that trend has changed.  Cisco is good example of this, and I've put a good shift in recently too.  The over 40'/50's are in much better shape nowadays and have learned how to enjoy themselves. This will continue for the next 20/30 years, disposable income permitting!!

ps: as more pension pots from April 2015 are taken, I believe there will be a punting revolution too.   :drinks:

Very, very good point. At both ends of the age scale changes are afoot. The older punters will have more disposable income (Of course this is by no means universal) and newbies who are much more clued up with technology will enter the market as consumers. This is why I think UKP will become more and more relevant over the next few years. Of course only a small percentage of punters are aware or indeed use forums. However I can only see this number increasing over time, which should improve service for all in the long term.
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Offline kingkong

I think that trend has changed.  Cisco is good example of this, and I've put a good shift in recently too.  The over 40'/50's are in much better shape nowadays and have learned how to enjoy themselves. This will continue for the next 20/30 years, disposable income permitting!!

ps: as more pension pots from April 2015 are taken, I believe there will be a punting revolution too.   :drinks:

Whom is Cisco?

Offline vorian

The person you quoted a couple of posts ago.
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Offline kingkong

The person you quoted a couple of posts ago.

Ahh ok.

here is a quote form the ladies AW profile-

"DO NOT turn up expecting to plough through me for the whole hour" so someone is telling lies, and I dont think its her!
« Last Edit: March 28, 2014, 06:48:02 PM by kingkong »

Offline Dani

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Ahh ok.

here is a quote form the ladies AW profile-

"DO NOT turn up expecting to plough through me for the whole hour" so someone is telling lies, and I dont think its her!

There is a huge difference between having sex for an hour and ploughing through a woman for an hour.  If you do not know the difference then you would be one of the clients this woman and many others like her would not want to see. 



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