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Author Topic: Tonight on BBC3 - Prostitution: What's The Harm?  (Read 21705 times)

Offline Cornish sub

This looks interesting at 10pm - Prostitution: What's The Harm?

Offline Jimmyredcab

BBC 3 at 22-00 tonight, a discussion on prostitution, the buyers and sellers.    :hi:

Offline CBPaul

I'll have to download it on iPlayer but my hopes aren't high.  Thanks for the heads up though.

Offline vorian

What's the betting that they will focus on street walkers,  trafficking and brothels who have trafficked girls in them. Oh underage girls will be mentioned and underage trafficked girls.

The BBC imo is controlled by the left, I hope I'm wrong but I don't think we will see any real representation of punters and prossies.  Will the indie scene be discussed in depth I doubt it.
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Offline CBPaul

What's the betting that they will focus on street walkers,  trafficking and brothels who have trafficked girls in them. Oh underage girls will be mentioned and underage trafficked girls.

The BBC imo is controlled by the left, I hope I'm wrong but I don't think we will see any real representation of punters and prossies.  Will the indie scene be discussed in depth I doubt it.

I fear it will be exactly that, the usual bollocks stereotypical view and she'll probably only interview one or two punters.

Offline Anadin

Given BBC3s audience it's gonna be a terrible show for children.

Offline vorian

I fear it will be exactly that, the usual bollocks stereotypical view and she'll probably only interview one or two punters.

No doubt a couple of dirty mac stereotypes with multiple convictions for kerb crawling.  :dash:
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Offline CBPaul

Given BBC3s audience it's gonna be a terrible show for children.

Just had a look for the presenter - looks like it's going to be presented by children too. She'll probably end up terribly upset at the way the nasty dirty punters take advantage of the poor innocent girls.
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Offline NIK

I'm still wondering what happened to that proposed C4 programme. Look like the BBC have beaten them to it.

Offline vorian

Just had a look for the presenter - looks like it's going to be presented by children too. She'll probably end up terribly upset at the way the nasty dirty punters take advantage of the poor innocent girls.

Don't forget poor innocent "Trafficked" girls.
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Offline vorian

I'm still wondering what happened to that proposed C4 programme. Look like the BBC have beaten them to it.

Maybe they couldn't find enough people to interview that fitted into the agenda they wanted to push.
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Offline potato

Well the woman's hour interviews have in the main been balanced so far but TV is a different matter.

Offline CBPaul

Don't forget poor innocent "Trafficked" girls.

Yep, sorry, missed that out. Definitely trafficked too.

Offline Gordo987

What's the betting that they will focus on street walkers,  trafficking and brothels who have trafficked girls in them. Oh underage girls will be mentioned and underage trafficked girls.

The BBC imo is controlled by the left, I hope I'm wrong but I don't think we will see any real representation of punters and prossies.  Will the indie scene be discussed in depth I doubt it.

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Offline Qwerty

What's the betting that they will focus on street walkers,  trafficking and brothels who have trafficked girls in them. Oh underage girls will be mentioned and underage trafficked girls.

The BBC imo is controlled by the left, I hope I'm wrong but I don't think we will see any real representation of punters and prossies.  Will the indie scene be discussed in depth I doubt it.

Well I've seen plenty of arguments suggesting the Beeb in fact subscribes to the right-wing status quo...

In any case, not sure the subject is really a left/right issue, rather authoritarian vs libertarian, which can be found on both sides. Right-wing authoritarians want to penalise the WGs, left-wing ones the punters - libertarians both left and right view it as a private matter, best left there except where it can be shown to cause harm, e.g. trafficking, coercion etc.

I should imagine most of us on here are pretty libertarian on this subject :-) Unfortunately libertarians also tend not to want to be elected - as this means being in authority, so we end up with politicians who want to interfere with our lives in one way or another.

And the journos who produce these programmes are looking for something sensational that viewers will feel outraged about. Man pays woman for sex, both happy, isn't much of a story.


Offline vorian

Well I've seen plenty of arguments suggesting the Beeb in fact subscribes to the right-wing status quo...

In any case, not sure the subject is really a left/right issue, rather authoritarian vs libertarian, which can be found on both sides. Right-wing authoritarians want to penalise the WGs, left-wing ones the punters - libertarians both left and right view it as a private matter, best left there except where it can be shown to cause harm, e.g. trafficking, coercion etc.

I should imagine most of us on here are pretty libertarian on this subject :-) Unfortunately libertarians also tend not to want to be elected - as this means being in authority, so we end up with politicians who want to interfere with our lives in one way or another.

And the journos who produce these programmes are looking for something sensational that viewers will feel outraged about. Man pays woman for sex, both happy, isn't much of a story.

Very well put and I should have been clearer, the criminalisation of punters seems to be more of a concern to the Labour party HH for example than to the Conservatives. Across europe again it seems an issue that is more important to the socialist parties. Of course I am sure expectations can be found. Cleverly it has also been linked over the last couple of decades to the feminist movement (Which is odd in itself). "BBC controlled by the left" was an overstatement on my part, however I do believe it has bias towards the left over the right. In a very general sense and if anyone is to legislate anti-punting laws then I think that is more likely to come from the left as opposed to the right.

An article below about studies showing left wing bias in the BBC. Of course I am sure there will be studies saying the opposite as well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/10235967/BBC-is-biased-toward-the-left-study-finds.html
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Offline Gordo987

Very well put and I should have been clearer, the criminalisation of punters seems to be more of a concern to the Labour party HH for example than to the Conservatives. Across europe again it seems an issue that is more important to the socialist parties. Of course I am sure expectations can be found. Cleverly it has also been linked over the last couple of decades to the feminist movement (Which is odd in itself). "BBC controlled by the left" was an overstatement on my part, however I do believe it has bias towards the left over the right. In a very general sense and if anyone is to legislate anti-punting laws then I think that is more likely to come from the left as opposed to the right.

An article below about studies showing left wing bias in the BBC. Of course I am sure there will be studies saying the opposite as well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/10235967/BBC-is-biased-toward-the-left-study-finds.html

The Daily Telegraph is making accusations about bias? Shocking :wacko:

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Offline vorian

Pointing out spelling mistakes and typos in other peoples posts Gordo, really is that the level of maturity we are at now, well I apologize or is it apologise I can never remember.  :hi:

Of course you are right about bias in the media, any media, which is why I said opposing studies could also be found, it is still an interesting article if you read it.

 
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Offline Gordo987

Pointing out spelling mistakes and typos in other peoples posts Gordo, really is that the level of maturity we are at now, well I apologize or is it apologise I can never remember.  :hi:


Yes, it is  :thumbsup:

Of course you are right about bias in the media, any media, which is why I said opposing studies could also be found, it is still an interesting article if you read it.

No, I won't  :thumbsdown:
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Offline Cornish sub

I love the way this programme's being analysed/slagged off before it's even been shown. Looking forward to the post screening comments though.

Offline Gordo987

I love the way this programme's being analysed/slagged off before it's even been shown. Looking forward to the post screening comments though.

Quite  :hi:
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Offline Qwerty

An article below about studies showing left wing bias in the BBC. Of course I am sure there will be studies saying the opposite as well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/10235967/BBC-is-biased-toward-the-left-study-finds.html

Indeed, the opposite point of view, from (believe it or not :) ) The Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/17/bbc-leftwing-bias-non-existent-myth

But as I say, that's not really the issue. People in authority don't like prostitution, because it's not easily controlled, what's more it's an easy target for self-appointed moral guardians of society - attack it, and you get votes from the section of society most likely to vote: middle-income families.

As I said, historically the right has gone after the WGs - now that the downside of doing that has become clearer, it's the left's turn to go after the punters instead.

Offline vorian

Indeed, the opposite point of view, from (believe it or not :) ) The Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/17/bbc-leftwing-bias-non-existent-myth

But as I say, that's not really the issue. People in authority don't like prostitution, because it's not easily controlled, what's more it's an easy target for self-appointed moral guardians of society - attack it, and you get votes from the section of society most likely to vote: middle-income families.

As I said, historically the right has gone after the WGs - now that the downside of doing that has become clearer, it's the left's turn to go after the punters instead.

Very well put Felix, as you said easy targets with no real public voice.
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http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Prostitution-s-Harm-Mon-BBC3-10pm-TV-preview/story-20811611-detail/story.html
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But Porter also investigates prostitution’s darker side – 140 sex workers have been murdered in Britain since 1990. She visits the site of one such killing and also hears from a former street sex worker about the violence and degradation she experienced.

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Might actually give us two sides to the story. I'll wait and see.

Personally I've always thought there's a clear right-wing/pro-tory bias in the BBC, but their problems are more to do with shoddy reporting techniques like 'balanced' interview panels (consisting of two people with extreme polarised views, neither of which are representative of a significant number of people), or using vox-pop views instead of getting information from experts.  Certainly during the AV referendum their reporting on it was hugely biased in favour of the 'No' side of the argument.

But that's all a bit of a digression.  Will watch this programme with interest when I have the chance, but I'm preparing for it to give it the 'Benefits Street' treatment.


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