Cisgender.....what the fuck does that mean?

[winkywanky]

Will Boris do a review of Priti on  here?

I don't reckon he's porked her.

Unlesss you have intel? 

[winkywanky]

you're growing on me 

Steady on girl, he needs to put a booking in first!

[casio]

I thought my earlier post in this thread was a joke, then I saw this:

Police investigating ‘hate crime’ after transgender woman turned down for porn role ‘because she has a penis’

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wtf is going on?

[winkywanky]

She looks pretty hot, I wonder if she'd consider getting a TS profile on AW?

As for the story in The Sun, I'd place as much credence in that as Dona1d Trump becoming president of the USA. Oh...

[Brain Hole]

"A serious question; When was it decided that the vast majority of sensible, normal people have to start sharing the delusions of folk with clear mental issues that deny thousands of years of scientific research and reality?" - No one has decided this. You don't have to do anything. However, why not be nice to people who are different to you rather than saying they are delusional? And, which scientific research are you referring to in particular?

"If they want to call themselves particular names and dress up funny, good luck to them. Leave the rest of us to discuss what we please."  no one is stopping you from discussing anything.

Do you have any examples of this that weren't backed up by science and evidence?" - I don't understand what you're getting at here. Can you explain? I've asked if you would provide evidence to back up what you're saying and, as far as I can tell, you haven't

EDIT; I feel that I must state that I find being referred to as "CISGENDER" incredibly offensive and I'm going to throw a tantrum if I see that disgusting term being used inappropriately again. I'm sure you all care deeply about my feelings and pretend right not to be offended, so please be respectful in future. - No one is asking you to refer to yourself as cisgender. However, some people might prefer to be referred to in this way and, to me anyway, it seems reasonable, and nice, to respect that.

"My preferred pronoun is "Master" but I will respond to "Emperor" if I'm addressed in a respectful manner. 

Sounds a bit fucking silly, doesn't it?" - Yes, it does, because you've picked pronouns which are misleading.

[Clattypats]

"A serious question; When was it decided that the vast majority of sensible, normal people have to start sharing the delusions of folk with clear mental issues that deny thousands of years of scientific research and reality?" - No one has decided this. You don't have to do anything. However, why not be nice to people who are different to you rather than saying they are delusional? And, which scientific research are you referring to in particular?

"If they want to call themselves particular names and dress up funny, good luck to them. Leave the rest of us to discuss what we please."  no one is stopping you from discussing anything.

Do you have any examples of this that weren't backed up by science and evidence?" - I don't understand what you're getting at here. Can you explain? I've asked if you would provide evidence to back up what you're saying and, as far as I can tell, you haven't

EDIT; I feel that I must state that I find being referred to as "CISGENDER" incredibly offensive and I'm going to throw a tantrum if I see that disgusting term being used inappropriately again. I'm sure you all care deeply about my feelings and pretend right not to be offended, so please be respectful in future. - No one is asking you to refer to yourself as cisgender. However, some people might prefer to be referred to in this way and, to me anyway, it seems reasonable, and nice, to respect that.

"My preferred pronoun is "Master" but I will respond to "Emperor" if I'm addressed in a respectful manner. 

Sounds a bit fucking silly, doesn't it?" - Yes, it does, because you've picked pronouns which are misleading.

Fuck me, could you not just have used the "quote" function to reply to Matrix I thought you were Fuckin talkin to yersel!... Did it take you near on 2 months to type that out....

Perhaps you should change your first name on here...

[Matrix]

Fuck me, could you not just have used the "quote" function to reply to Matrix I thought you were Fuckin talkin to yersel!... Did it take you near on 2 months to type that out....

Perhaps you should change your first name on here...

🤣 Upset because he can't answer the question. I won't hold my breath.

Oh, and just to clarify "Brain-hole" you haven't asked me shit. 

[Brain Hole]

Clattypats - Didn't know about the quote function. I do now. And, why would I type anything out when I can just copy and paste it?

Matrix - Fair point, at least in terms of me saying "I've asked if you would provide evidence to back up what you're saying and, as far as I can tell, you haven't". I have asked you some other things though so saying that I haven't asked you anything is an overstatement. And, is this directed at me? - "Upset because he can't answer the question. I won't hold my breath." If so, can you explain what you mean? Which question are you referring to? If it's not for me, fine.

[subg]

I am cisgender. I have friends who are not. I have not had their experiences and do not understand them. I am lucky that I am in the majority group who have never had to give much thought to it.

[Matrix]

Clattypats - Didn't know about the quote function. I do now. And, why would I type anything out when I can just copy and paste it?

Matrix - Fair point, at least in terms of me saying "I've asked if you would provide evidence to back up what you're saying and, as far as I can tell, you haven't". I have asked you some other things though so saying that I haven't asked you anything is an overstatement. And, is this directed at me? - "Upset because he can't answer the question. I won't hold my breath." If so, can you explain what you mean? Which question are you referring to? If it's not for me, fine.

Show me where you asked me a question.

You'd had one post, and your question clearly wasn't aimed at me.

Your post appeared to be aimed at Charlie chalk.

As for my question, you've quoted it and stated that you don't understand it.

Finally, why aren't you using my preferred pronouns? 😂

[Brain Hole]

Clearly, I confused you and Charlie Chalk.

So - I have some a couple of questions about things which you, Matrix, have said.

"A serious question; When was it decided that the vast majority of sensible, normal people have to start sharing the delusions of folk with clear mental issues that deny thousands of years of scientific research and reality?" - No one has decided this. You don't have to do anything. However, why not be nice to people who are different to you rather than saying they are delusional? And, which scientific research are you referring to in particular? Which aspects of reality are you referring to?

I don't understand the question 'Do you have any examples of this that weren't backed up by science and evidence?', so I can't answer it. To help me understand it, can you explain what 'this' refers to in the question? Does 'this' refer to 'But it's also littered with things which were difficult for some people to accept initially and which turned out to clearly be correct in the end.' If so, why do you feel it's important for me to provide examples that 'weren't backed up by science and evidence'? Your use of 'weren't' is really confusing me.

I'm not using your preferred pronouns because
1) It hasn't been required by any of the statements that I've made. I've not had to use words like 'he', 'she', 'it', so haven't had to replace them with anything.
2) Even if I had, I now see that the words you have chosen aren't pronouns so even if I had needed to replace 'he', for example, doing so with 'master' or 'emperor' would have been silly.
3) Even if I had needed to replace a pronoun and even if 'master' and 'emperor' had been sensible replacements, I still wouldn't have used them. I don't get the impression you are a master or emperor so using them would have been misleading.
3) I don't have to. I can, within the bounds of legality, refer to anyone however I like, as can you.

[Matrix]

Clearly, I confused you and Charlie Chalk.

So - I have some a couple of questions about things which you, Matrix, have said.

"A serious question; When was it decided that the vast majority of sensible, normal people have to start sharing the delusions of folk with clear mental issues that deny thousands of years of scientific research and reality?" - No one has decided this. You don't have to do anything. However, why not be nice to people who are different to you rather than saying they are delusional? And, which scientific research are you referring to in particular? Which aspects of reality are you referring to?

I don't understand the question 'Do you have any examples of this that weren't backed up by science and evidence?', so I can't answer it. To help me understand it, can you explain what 'this' refers to in the question? Does 'this' refer to 'But it's also littered with things which were difficult for some people to accept initially and which turned out to clearly be correct in the end.' If so, why do you feel it's important for me to provide examples that 'weren't backed up by science and evidence'? Your use of 'weren't' is really confusing me.

I'm not using your preferred pronouns because
1) It hasn't been required by any of the statements that I've made. I've not had to use words like 'he', 'she', 'it', so haven't had to replace them with anything.
2) Even if I had, I now see that the words you have chosen aren't pronouns so even if I had needed to replace 'he', for example, doing so with 'master' or 'emperor' would have been silly.
3) Even if I had needed to replace a pronoun and even if 'master' and 'emperor' had been sensible replacements, I still wouldn't have used them. I don't get the impression you are a master or emperor so using them would have been misleading.
3) I don't have to. I can, within the bounds of legality, refer to anyone however I like, as can you.

Then you need to re-read and understand I was asking you to back up what you stated.

Rather hypocritical form, asking me to be nice when you're not being nice to me by disrespecting my preferences. 

[Brain Hole]

Some more questions for you, Matrix.

"If they want to call themselves particular names and dress up funny, good luck to them. Leave the rest of us to discuss what we please."

Can you provide any examples of situations when you have been prevented from discussing anything to do with gender identity?

EDIT; I feel that I must state that I find being referred to as "CISGENDER" incredibly offensive and I'm going to throw a tantrum if I see that disgusting term being used inappropriately again. I'm sure you all care deeply about my feelings and pretend right not to be offended, so please be respectful in future.

Why are you offended by being referred to as cisgender?

[Matrix]

Some more questions for you, Matrix.
Can you provide any examples of situations when you have been prevented from discussing anything to do with gender identity?
 
Why are you offended by being referred to as cisgender?

You first.

Also the question that you're having trouble with is part of a post which highlights exactly the part of your post, that I was asking about.

You've surely worked that out by now.

How much more obvious does it have to be? 😂

[Lilywhite]

Why are you offended by being referred to as cisgender?

I may be wrong, but I am sure that statement was what we know as 'irony'.

[Matrix]

I may be wrong, but I am sure that statement was what we know as 'irony'.

What does that mean? 😂 

[Brain Hole]

Do you mean that you would like me to back up the statement 'But it's also littered with things which were difficult for some people to accept initially and which turned out to clearly be correct in the end.'? You're still not being very clear. If this is what you mean, two examples are abolishing slavery and giving everyone the vote.

Your turn.

EDIT - You're making posts, then editing them, while I'm writing my response, hence the confusion.

[Brain Hole]

I may be wrong, but I am sure that statement was what we know as 'irony'.

I am very, very aware of this.

[Lilywhite]

Do you mean that you would like me to back up the statement 'But it's also littered with things which were difficult for some people to accept initially and which turned out to clearly be correct in the end.'? You're still not being very clear. If this is what you mean, two examples are abolishing slavery and giving everyone the vote.

Your turn.

Please don't tell me you are comparing 'using correct pronouns' to slavery.

[nightbot]

I mean what's so hard about it? You have transgender, and cisgender (and other things like non binary). The reason these term exists is so as to avoid refering to any one thing as "normal".

Biological sex =\= Gender. That's basically what you have to understand. The longer you keep thinking they are the same thing the more you'll stay confused.

[Matrix]

I mean what's so hard about it? You have transgender and cisgender.

The reason the term exists is so as to avoid refering to any one thing as "normal".

 

That's some climbdown.

What's wrong with normal? 😂 🤣 🤤

[Brain Hole]

Please don't tell me you are comparing 'using correct pronouns' to slavery.

I was asked, as far as I can tell, to provide examples of things which were difficult for some people to accept initially and which turned out to clearly be correct in the end. Abolishing slavery is an example of that. I'm not comparing them in terms of, for example, damage done to lives and cultures.

[Clattypats]

Oh, and just to clarify "Brain-hole" you haven't asked me shit. 

What about this 

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[Brain Hole]

What about it?

[nightbot]

That's some climbdown.

What's wrong with normal? 😂 🤣 🤤

It's not what is wrong with normal, it's about what is implied as abnormal when you define something as normal.

Normality is unrelated to gender, it's a state of being. And using it to define a demographic never works out well. An example (not comparison) is the implication that being white is normal and everything else is not normal, which is basically what they used to do, and still do in many places. Normality has nothing to do with race and yet it was used to define white. Which was obviously a problem.

A trans person can be perfectly normal, a non binary person can be perfectly normal. They can live the life with the same kind of happiness and opportunities as everyone but would be called "abnormal" simple because the cisgendered population takes ownership of what it means to be normal.

No one wants to feel like an outcast and "abnormal", and certainly not because of something they can do nothing about like gender dysphoria.

[Clattypats]

What about it?

Bit slow on the uptake .. Refer back to the last paragraph of reply #55

[Matrix]

We have a winner. Ukps most apt account name of 2019!


Being trans is not normal. Being a member of this forum is not normal. Albert Einstein was not normal.

[Brain Hole]

Bit slow on the uptake .. Refer back to the last paragraph of reply #55

The last paragraph of reply #55 says

Perhaps you should change your first name on here...

So is it being suggested that I change my first name on here to 'Ass Hole'? This too is unclear. If that's what's intended, that would make my name on here Ass Hole Hole. I'd prefer not to do that. I'm happy with my name as it appears at the moment.

[Clattypats]

The last paragraph of reply #55 says

So is it being suggested that I change my first name on here to 'Ass Hole'? This too is unclear. If that's what's intended, that would make my name on here Ass Hole Hole. I'd prefer not to do that. I'm happy with my name as it appears at the moment.

That's ok, I'm sure you know what I meant perfectly well ... Being pedantic doesn't suit you...

Anyway, I'll leave you to dwell on it....

[Brain Hole]

Oh, I see. You're calling me an asshole! What did I do to merit that?

[1980Tam]

Oh, I see. You're calling me an asshole! What did I do to merit that?

It seems like an accurate discriptor , are you offended by an observation someone has made of you ?

[Brain Hole]

It seems like an accurate discriptor , are you offended by an observation someone has made of you ?

Not offended. Just confused. Why is it accurate? What have I done to merit being called an asshole?

[auldie63]

Matrix and Brain Hole please take your petty squables to PMs and save the rest of us the trouble of having to wade through it. Thank you. 

[Matrix]

 

Slavery was a fad, huh?

As was the precursor to the single transferable vote. BRILLIANT! 😂 🤣 🤭

What you meant to say was "no".

[1980Tam]

Not offended. Just confused. Why is it accurate? What have I done to merit being called an asshole?

Im glad you are not offended , on reading your posts I lose interest in a few short words , I can only think they are written by ass hole , I do think you would be better spending your time and energy in either fucking or being fucked by whateber gender gets you going, and to come back and review it , we would then have something more interesting to read than the shite you have posted here .

[daviebond]

I must say I got so bored reading this thread that I farted into a bag then inhaled the fumes. It was more enjoyable than reading this pish. Oh well back to binge watching Mock of the Week on Netflix

[Brain Hole]

So in conclusion

- No examples have been provided which show, even slightly, that I've been behaving like an asshole.
- Matrix has ignored nearly all of my questions as well as the obvious instruction to take this to PM.
- I'm happy to continue this discussion, but via PM only.

[Matrix]

So in conclusion

- No examples have been provided which show, even slightly, that I've been behaving like an asshole.
- Matrix has ignored nearly all of my questions as well as the obvious instruction to take this to PM.
- I'm happy to continue this discussion, but via PM only.

You've provided a good few examples. 

You still haven't answered or understood mine and appear to have great trouble in deciding who it is you're addressing and discerning the context of the posts that you've quoted. 

Do you have PM functionality? 

[ulstersubbie]

I must say I got so bored reading this thread that I farted into a bag then inhaled the fumes. It was more enjoyable than reading this pish.

+1 

[Brain Hole]

You still haven't answered or understood mine and appear to have great trouble in deciding who it is you're addressing and discerning the context of the posts that you've quoted. 

Do you have PM functionality? 

I've repeatedly asked you to explain what it is you're asking and have done my best to answer based on the information that you have provided. If you want me to answer something, you'll need to ask me again, in a manner that's comprehensible. However, I'm not willing to answer unless you are willing, first, to have a go at answering some of mine.

It looks like I do have PM functionality but it's prefaced by a note which says 'Your account can only reply to messages recieved from other members, you cannot send messages to other members that have not contacted you before.' So, you'll need to make the next move with this too.

[Matrix]

I've repeatedly asked you to explain what it is you're asking and have done my best to answer based on the information that you have provided. If you want me to answer something, you'll need to ask me again, in a manner that's comprehensible. However, I'm not willing to answer unless you are willing, first, to have a go at answering some of mine.

It looks like I do have PM functionality but it's prefaced by a note which says 'Your account can only reply to messages recieved from other members, you cannot send messages to other members that have not contacted you before.' So, you'll need to make the next move with this too.

Cool, but if you want more, you may address me as "Master". 

Some more questions for you, Matrix.
Can you provide any examples of situations when you have been prevented from discussing anything to do with gender identity?
 
Why are you offended by being referred to as cisgender?

Where or when have I claimed that I was being prevented from discussing anything to do with gender?

You appear confused again. Context, Dear Boy/girl /demiboy/demigirl/agender/ally/androsexual/androphilic/bigender/Butch/cisgender/cross-dresser/demiromantic/demisexual/drag king/ queen/ e.t.c, e.t.c, e.t.c.


Pattern, perhaps? 

I'm not offended by being referred to as "cisgender", primarily as no-one has ever referred to me as such and barely nobody pays any attention to or uses redundant terms like this.

Next.

[Brain Hole]

Exactly.