Good WG's changing services (No sex, massage + hand relief only)

[jimbobwood]

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Two good prossies I have seen in the past have changed their services from full service (DFK, OWO, Sex) to Massage/Hand Relief Only (No Sex, extra for OWO).

Is this what prossies are trying to do to improve themselves? It's better to be known as a Massage Therapist than a Prostitute. Here's some reasons why they might do it:

- Less work for the same money
- Could there be short-long term effects of having your pussy pounded 6 times a day.
- There might be a big market for this type of work. Prostate massage, full body massage and hand relief is quite popular. Especially in Central London.
- Less risk of catching STD's for both the customer and business provider. Although they offer OWO as extra.
- They have found a partner (like Steve2 has said about Lola Bell) and they only want sexual penetration with their partner.

I think it's an escape from general whoring and trying to get established as a Masseuse. Having sex with 6 different guys a day on the same bed must damage them emotionally. Giving a massage is far easier and better on conscious.

What do you think?

 

[SirFrank]

I don't mind that type of service but if I go for a massage with a happy ending I want a professional massage. It requires more than just randomly rubbing baby oil into your back. Thy may think it's easier but it takes training and a lot of effort to do it properly. There is a market out there for massage with a wank or BJ. However as above if I paid a girl to massage me I'd expect a propper service. The 5 minute knocking shop rub down with a stroke of your balls followed by an oily wank doesn't cut the mustard

[Dani]

It looks like one of them has trained in massage therapy as offers pre and post sports massage so perhaps she was selling sex before hand to pay for her training and is now qualified so feels she wants to offer massage with happy ending instead of having sex with clients.  It seems that way as she has also started a new profile

The second one however could confuse some people as her feedback mentions GFE yet her FAQ about sex is a NO definitely not

For the first if she has trained she should do very well out of it as it is hard to find a decent massage therapist. For the second I a m not so sure as has been said above, if you pay for a massage you expect a proper one and that takes some effort and is far from easy to do

[Roland D Hay]

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 Giving a massage is far easier and better on conscious.

Did you mean unconscious or on conscience?

I really don't think that the move towards more limited services could ever be described as self improvement but I do think there's a market for it if they get it right. That being said many that try this obviously don't make the same income and pop back up a little further down the line selling their muff again.

[jcdmj12]

I think it's an escape from general whoring and trying to get established as a Masseuse. Having sex with 6 different guys a day on the same bed must damage them emotionally. Giving a massage is far easier and better on conscious.

What do you think?

I think that depends.  I'm sure some women deal with it psychologically better than others.  From what I've seen, you need to have a pretty strong sense of self and boundaries to deal with it well. Unfortunately, a lot of the people who are attracted to sex work lack those things.

[Glader]

how about - dont want to see new clients for full on sex?

old clients get old services or new ones?

If you are a regular why not ask if the old is still available?

[smiths]

Hot Concha - External Link/Members Only

Lola Bell - External Link/Members Only

Two good prossies I have seen in the past have changed their services from full service (DFK, OWO, Sex) to Massage/Hand Relief Only (No Sex, extra for OWO).

Is this what prossies are trying to do to improve themselves? It's better to be known as a Massage Therapist than a Prostitute. Here's some reasons why they might do it:

- Less work for the same money
- Could there be short-long term effects of having your pussy pounded 6 times a day.
- There might be a big market for this type of work. Prostate massage, full body massage and hand relief is quite popular. Especially in Central London.
- Less risk of catching STD's for both the customer and business provider. Although they offer OWO as extra.
- They have found a partner (like Steve2 has said about Lola Bell) and they only want sexual penetration with their partner.

I think it's an escape from general whoring and trying to get established as a Masseuse. Having sex with 6 different guys a day on the same bed must damage them emotionally. Giving a massage is far easier and better on conscious.

What do you think?

I think its a shame when a good WG goes from offering full service to this massage and HE crap. Cute Ann an old fave of mine did it for a while a few years back, in her case it was after she had disappeared for exactly nine months, in the pudding club i imagine.

Certainly means no more business off me but massage and a HE is of very popular as a service to some punters.

[CoolTiger]

Natasha of Derby was highly recommended to me approx 2 yrs ago. As she worked between 10am and 2pm school days only, it was difficult to get hold of her.

For past year or so, her services have changed to massage and HR only, with the odd escorting with her previous regulars. Such a shame.



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[jimbobwood]

Did you mean unconscious or on conscience?

I really don't think that the move towards more limited services could ever be described as self improvement but I do think there's a market for it if they get it right. That being said many that try this obviously don't make the same income and pop back up a little further down the line selling their muff again.

conscience is what I meant to put.

Hot Concha stands a better chance than Lola Bell making it in this area. I wonder if Hot Concha would still allow the old services like fingering, rimming her, DFK, jerking off on her tits. I can only ask! Well, she still offers watersport, fisting in her like list.

I think Lola Bell needs a reality check, She is not a massage therapist and her services are too limited now. Her best asset was providing enthusiastic GFE punt. Now this has gone, her services her useless.

[mattylondon]

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Two good prossies I have seen in the past have changed their services from full service (DFK, OWO, Sex) to Massage/Hand Relief Only (No Sex, extra for OWO).

Who wouldn't want to do less work for more or the same money? This happens with some EE prossies once they 'establish' themselves. It's a never ending cycle. It just goes to show that a few perhaps didn't enjoy it as much as they made out. I'm not surprised. The one thing that is certain, however, is that there will be plenty more to fill the void so it doesn't bother me. Some even run two profiles in parallel, which I've also seen. If the money dries up, they'll be back providing the regular services, although I suspect it will cost more. Perhaps these girls are also working for themselves now and aren't part of a larger collective?

I personally think that they'll find there isn't that much money in it and that their punters will go elsewhere for sex, unless they continue to offer it 'off the record'. 

And they may well find that whilst they were a 'catch' to offer sex at the competitive rates they did, there's nothing particularly 'special' about them, to try and pull this trick off. They don't have any x factor for me, to get away with it. I think they're very average at best, looks wise. We shall see.

[BlackWizard]

Just had a WG with feedback as recently as this month message me back saying her Outcall price is actually for Webcam (£95 an hour)

I have no clue what that's about.

[Roland D Hay]

Natasha of Derby was highly recommended to me approx 2 yrs ago. As she worked between 10am and 2pm school days only, it was difficult to get hold of her.

For past year or so, her services have changed to massage and HR only, with the odd escorting with her previous regulars. Such a shame.



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She's one of the one's I was thinking of who have returned to selling their muff. Her comeback didn't last long before reverting  back to massage only.

[seeker]

There's a couple I used to see on and off both ees now established who have now turned to massage and hr.
Pity, as they were good .But as they no longer provide what I want I will Not be seeing them again
On to new pastures for me ...

[mattylondon]

There's a couple I used to see on and off both ees now established who have now turned to massage and hr.
Pity, as they were good .But as they no longer provide what I want I will Not be seeing them again
On to new pastures for me ...

Exactly. I can't blame them for trying if they can pull in the same income. I just find that it never lasts very long because the demand for services such as an exclusive massage and/or happy ending, will never be as high as a fuck and the full package. Generally speaking, men do not punt whores to have their backs rubbed. 

[Aspen]

Generally speaking, men do not punt whores to have their backs rubbed.

You can get a decent massage much cheaper anyway. I never go back to someone who is reducing their services. They never seem to reduce their prices commensurate.

[Steve2]

Here is a review I found on another site

At a loose end and in need of a bit of relief. Came across Lola

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and, with her history as an escort (a field she's retired from) wasn't hoping for much

Lovely location, very nice building and flat. Small studio, decent bathroom but not enough room to swing a kitten in. She has a professional massage table and uses baby oil and some arcane lotion.

She's buxom, and quite cute. Speaks very good English - quite a bit of fun banter, an essential for me. From Hungary.

It was her first day at massage, and I was her first client. Very pleasantly surprised as she was very good at the massage part. Deep tissue, worked out a lot of knots in my upper back. She is new to this so needed a bit of direction and didn't have time to work on my legs. Quite happy to take directions and quite happy for roaming hands. One point is that she didn't provide B2B for me, however, was virtually out of her massage uniform and bra hanging off.

The ending was fantastic - moved into several positions to allow access to roaming hands and had a saucy smile on all the time.

All in all, fantastic value at £60 for the hour. Very enjoyable and high on my returns list. She does provide some extras for those that indulge in that sort of thing. Details on her AW profile

I suspect she'll get very busy, very fast and the prices will go up so recommend an early booking

[Aspen]

Here is a review I found on another site

At a loose end and in need of a bit of relief. Came across Lola

External Link/Members Only
07763958735

and, with her history as an escort (a field she's retired from) wasn't hoping for much

Lovely location, very nice building and flat. Small studio, decent bathroom but not enough room to swing a kitten in. She has a professional massage table and uses baby oil and some arcane lotion.

She's buxom, and quite cute. Speaks very good English - quite a bit of fun banter, an essential for me. From Hungary.

It was her first day at massage, and I was her first client. Very pleasantly surprised as she was very good at the massage part. Deep tissue, worked out a lot of knots in my upper back. She is new to this so needed a bit of direction and didn't have time to work on my legs. Quite happy to take directions and quite happy for roaming hands. One point is that she didn't provide B2B for me, however, was virtually out of her massage uniform and bra hanging off.

The ending was fantastic - moved into several positions to allow access to roaming hands and had a saucy smile on all the time.

All in all, fantastic value at £60 for the hour. Very enjoyable and high on my returns list. She does provide some extras for those that indulge in that sort of thing. Details on her AW profile

I suspect she'll get very busy, very fast and the prices will go up so recommend an early booking

Interesting.

The Hungarians do generally seem to be a lot better than other EE's. They stand out in that respect. I don't think I could see her if I'd been to her for FS, but good tip otherwise. Are you sure she's done FS in the past? (what were her rates?)

[Steve2]

Are you sure she's done FS in the past? (what were her rates?)

Same rates

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=8222.0

[mattylondon]

Here is a review I found on another site

At a loose end and in need of a bit of relief. Came across Lola

External Link/Members Only
07763958735

and, with her history as an escort (a field she's retired from) wasn't hoping for much

Lovely location, very nice building and flat. Small studio, decent bathroom but not enough room to swing a kitten in. She has a professional massage table and uses baby oil and some arcane lotion.

She's buxom, and quite cute. Speaks very good English - quite a bit of fun banter, an essential for me. From Hungary.

It was her first day at massage, and I was her first client. Very pleasantly surprised as she was very good at the massage part. Deep tissue, worked out a lot of knots in my upper back. She is new to this so needed a bit of direction and didn't have time to work on my legs. Quite happy to take directions and quite happy for roaming hands. One point is that she didn't provide B2B for me, however, was virtually out of her massage uniform and bra hanging off.

The ending was fantastic - moved into several positions to allow access to roaming hands and had a saucy smile on all the time.

All in all, fantastic value at £60 for the hour. Very enjoyable and high on my returns list. She does provide some extras for those that indulge in that sort of thing. Details on her AW profile

I suspect she'll get very busy, very fast and the prices will go up so recommend an early booking

Good review as ever Steve but I'm puzzled that you believe its such good value with this girl as you've fucked her for the same price and other girls in her old location? No b2b? Sounds like she's more, let's say, flexible than most girls on the massage front with the 'wandering hands'. If anything, I'd advise punters to book her fast because if she does become popular people may start to see restrictions on even that. The precedent being that she's already scaled down service wise already.

 If you read that profile and didn't know any better, you may be fooled into thinking she's never offered sex. Just goes to show that profile blurb should be taken with a large pinch of salt.

[jimbobwood]

That review wasn't written by Steve2. He stopped seeing Lola because she stopped DFK and he found a new replacement called Xena who more than filled the empty void of Lola. I don't think Steve would settle for a Massage, Hand Relief only.

[mattylondon]

That review wasn't written by Steve2. He stopped seeing Lola because she stopped DFK and he found a new replacement called Xena who more than filled the empty void of Lola. I don't think Steve would settle for a Massage, Hand Relief only.

Begging your pardon. I did wonder why!? Oops! 

[Gordo987]

They both have nice 'cheeky' faces, and that suggests they could be fun as long as their personalities match. I see Megan does OWO  and Lola offers covered O  (I presume) and the prices are reasonable. What am I saying here? F**k only knows, except I would consider seeing them if they were in my area. 

[random]

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Saw her for full service about 2 years ago. I think when she initially changed services she was a lot cheaper at £50 p/h I think and outcall only. Now her rate is close to the old full service rate but with a hint of more on offer.

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This one had a positive review on here under a different name when she did full service. I don't remember what her rate was but I'm pretty sure it was quite a bit more than what she's now charging for b2b massage and HE.

[jimbobwood]

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Didn't take long to go back to full service/GFE! She has put her rate up to £90ph. Now, she has changed her title to High Class Escort. Good to see she has gone back to full service.

I wonder how long it will take for Lola Bell to return to Full service.

[LL]

Absolutely agree that whoring must be emotionally draining and I do wonder what percentage of these girls end up in therapy.  Massage is a lot less intimate and there are obviously less risks to their health (none at all if they're not doing any oral / b2b / etc).

What about the other side of the coin?  Are there any masseuses who become WGs?  That's a fantasy of mine that I can "turn" one.  I.e I'll go for a nice massage and when it gets to the happy ending part, she doesn't normally fuck her clients but she wants to fuck me, and for free.  Haha - like that'll ever happen!

[webpunter]

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Saw her for full service about 2 years ago. I think when she initially changed services she was a lot cheaper at £50 p/h I think and outcall only. Now her rate is close to the old full service rate but with a hint of more on offer.

Had her on my HL yonks ago
Indifferent FB ish & the one showing on UKP is the same ['never entirely sure' mentioned]
Any good ?
Bod looks fit.  Can you remember what the 'boat-race' is like as no clues in the pics

[mattylondon]

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Didn't take long to go back to full service/GFE! She has put her rate up to £90ph. Now, she has changed her title to High Class Escort. Good to see she has gone back to full service.

I wonder how long it will take for Lola Bell to return to Full service.

Interesting. You have to laugh at the high class bit. Not sure I'd pay £90 for her. Perhaps £70 but there are plenty of others who look good and charge less. I guess if you're a fan of hers, it's good that she's now back to full services. As for lola, I read a couple of other punters comments on another thread. Particularly her response to a e-mail question, which appeared to suggest she may have a bit of 'attitude'.

So with her perhaps a little longer. £60 for massage and especially from an EE is taking the piss, with the amount of girls about. I suspect 'lola' will go back to full services down the line, but will perhaps charge around the £100 plus bracket, once she works out she can make more money and punters may not be too keen to pay her £60 for a back rub and fiddle. Too many options in London, for any longevity in what she's doing, in my opinion. It will be interesting to see.

[random]

Had her on my HL yonks ago
Indifferent FB ish & the one showing on UKP is the same ['never entirely sure' mentioned]
Any good ?
Bod looks fit.  Can you remember what the 'boat-race' is like as no clues in the pics

When I saw her she hadn't made much effort with her hair, makeup or clothes. From what I can remember she looked fairly nice to average but could look a lot better if she tried.

Don't know if those pictures are really her. Unless she's changed since, her body shape didn't look like that. She had quite a nice slightly curvy figure, not as slim and athletic as in those photos.