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Offline Al

Anyone had comms with this girl?

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I had some messages but she is very vague - seems like too much hard work to be honest.

Offline wilkinc

Anyone had comms with this girl?

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I had some messages but she is very vague - seems like too much hard work to be honest.

I exchanged a few messages with her, she wanted £500+ ppm, so I politely declined

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Been on the site since 2019 any intel fellas ?

Also whats the method to look for seeking members on this forum .  I tried the last bit of the link but didn't seem to work

Offline testgenie

Anyone had comms with this girl?

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I had some messages but she is very vague - seems like too much hard work to be honest.

She's been on/off SA for years I believe. Recently spent her time in Dubai from what her SA profile showed. Genuine for sure, but not worth the money

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I exchanged a few messages with her, she wanted £500+ ppm, so I politely declined
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I have seen her not via seeking, she is a prossie. PM me for her insta. She has 651.3k followers on tiktok  :scare:
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Offline HomerC

Met her in hotel today 😁. Paid 20 and said not my type. She is not that good looking as in photos. Had a cheap perfume smell.Glad I didn't go ahead. She accepted 20 and left soon.

What was the £20 for?

I never pay for the Meet & Greet. Especially if you aren’t going to see her again, what’s the point?
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:lol: Doesn’t necessarily help. What the photo declines to reveal are the “helpful” staff lingering around, catering to your every whim. It’s 100%  fine when your staying legitimately BUT not fine when you have a 19/20 yo in a short skirt with you.

Scoping out the joint is surely part of the fun.  :D

It took me awhile to find my favourite places.
W Hotel in Leicester Square is my favourite as it has, within the mini bar section, his and her toys and various sex aids.
On my first SA visit I was shown around the room by a male member of staff who pointed this out.  Apparently it’s a popular hotel for a bit on the side.
Our room had a peekaboo shower.
My Korean SB loved it.

Wait, this hotel lends guests sex aids? Or is it like a mini bar where you buy stuff to keep, at sky high prices?

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What was the £20 for?

I never pay for the Meet & Greet. Especially if you aren’t going to see her again, what’s the point?

She said she travelled an hour to see me, So I just paid her 20.
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Offline Spam123

Seen this girl a few times but a little bored of it now. Fairly vanilla but nice, slightly larger than photos.

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Seen this girl a few times but a little bored of it now. Fairly vanilla but nice, slightly larger than photos.

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What were you paying for a meet?

Offline 50shades1

Hey everyone just joined Seeking over the weekend and got somewhat of a shortlist made up for meets. Site is amazing, would recommend over regular punting every day of the week based on selection anyway.

I have a girl who is keen to meet. Seems genuine and no BS. I had approached her initially following the recommendations in this thread, saying to meet for a drink in a bar near the hotel first. However she's said we can just go straight to the hotel room and have a drink, meet & chat there instead.

1) Should I trust? Maybe I'm wrong and others have been burned but I see no difference in doing this vs. meeting at a bar for a drink then moving to the hotel. If I'm meeting her in the hotel lobby and escorting her up to the room immediately, I could just sus her out on the way up? Let me know if I'm wrong or others have experience

2) Also I don't want to be overly blunt by treating it like an escort service by mentioning that I basically am only bringing her in for a drink to fuck her brains out. I'm assuming that by meeting in the hotel room for a drink, she's well aware of that and I don't need to mention specifics; length of stay etc? Probably overthinking it but last thing I want is sitting in the hotel room with a big set of blue balls! Maybe just a subtle way of hinting to be confirm and ease my worries?

Any help for a newbie finding his way, much appreciated.

Offline bbz123

Hey everyone just joined Seeking over the weekend and got somewhat of a shortlist made up for meets. Site is amazing, would recommend over regular punting every day of the week based on selection anyway.

I have a girl who is keen to meet. Seems genuine and no BS. I had approached her initially following the recommendations in this thread, saying to meet for a drink in a bar near the hotel first. However she's said we can just go straight to the hotel room and have a drink, meet & chat there instead.

1) Should I trust? Maybe I'm wrong and others have been burned but I see no difference in doing this vs. meeting at a bar for a drink then moving to the hotel. If I'm meeting her in the hotel lobby and escorting her up to the room immediately, I could just sus her out on the way up? Let me know if I'm wrong or others have experience

2) Also I don't want to be overly blunt by treating it like an escort service by mentioning that I basically am only bringing her in for a drink to fuck her brains out. I'm assuming that by meeting in the hotel room for a drink, she's well aware of that and I don't need to mention specifics; length of stay etc? Probably overthinking it but last thing I want is sitting in the hotel room with a big set of blue balls! Maybe just a subtle way of hinting to be confirm and ease my worries?

Any help for a newbie finding his way, much appreciated.

For 1), tbh 90+% of my meets have been straight to a hotel room, and I’ve only had issues a couple of times. When in the room just have a chat and drink before rushing into stuff to suss it out a bit, also avoid giving any money before you actually engage in sex.

2) I’ll often confirm this kind of stuff via WhatsApp by asking casual things like ‘how long could you hang out for’, or ‘what kinds of things do you enjoy when it comes to intimacy/fun’ and maybe a cheeky smilie to go along with both. Then you can follow up with asking if she enjoys the things you want to do. But yeah defo don’t use the word ‘services’ or make it sound like you’re asking about what she’s gonna provide directly, as a lot of these girls aren’t escorts and will immediately be turned off by that.

But tbh even without asking stuff, she will 100% know what’s up by meeting in a hotel, so you shouldn’t have to worry there…
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For 1), tbh 90+% of my meets have been straight to a hotel room, and I’ve only had issues a couple of times. When in the room just have a chat and drink before rushing into stuff to suss it out a bit, also avoid giving any money before you actually engage in sex.

2) I’ll often confirm this kind of stuff via WhatsApp by asking casual things like ‘how long could you hang out for’, or ‘what kinds of things do you enjoy when it comes to intimacy/fun’ and maybe a cheeky smilie to go along with both. Then you can follow up with asking if she enjoys the things you want to do. But yeah defo don’t use the word ‘services’ or make it sound like you’re asking about what she’s gonna provide directly, as a lot of these girls aren’t escorts and will immediately be turned off by that.

But tbh even without asking stuff, she will 100% know what’s up by meeting in a hotel, so you shouldn’t have to worry there…

Sound advice. Thank you mate, much appreciated

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Any intel on this girl. Possible overnight meet tomorrow

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Any intel on this girl. Possible overnight meet tomorrow

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Nice. Let us know how it goes.

What's her arrangement like? Happy for you to Message me if you prefer.
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For 1), tbh 90+% of my meets have been straight to a hotel room, and I’ve only had issues a couple of times. When in the room just have a chat and drink before rushing into stuff to suss it out a bit, also avoid giving any money before you actually engage in sex.

2) I’ll often confirm this kind of stuff via WhatsApp by asking casual things like ‘how long could you hang out for’, or ‘what kinds of things do you enjoy when it comes to intimacy/fun’ and maybe a cheeky smilie to go along with both. Then you can follow up with asking if she enjoys the things you want to do. But yeah defo don’t use the word ‘services’ or make it sound like you’re asking about what she’s gonna provide directly, as a lot of these girls aren’t escorts and will immediately be turned off by that.

But tbh even without asking stuff, she will 100% know what’s up by meeting in a hotel, so you shouldn’t have to worry there…

Wow. And here I was thinking a coffee date initially.
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Offline Jason1971

Nice. Let us know how it goes.

What's her arrangement like? Happy for you to Message me if you prefer.

300 overnight but from about 10pm seems to up for most things

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300 overnight but from about 10pm seems to up for most things

Nice. Enjoy!
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Offline NightKid

Also whats the method to look for seeking members on this forum .  I tried the last bit of the link but didn't seem to work

It does. Assuming the profile's active and been posted about before you should be getting hits - there's plenty a serial SB getting flagged in reports if you haven't already seen.

A lot of the posts/reports are in the closed thread though, which could be why you're having issues viewing them.

I have a girl who is keen to meet. Seems genuine and no BS. I had approached her initially following the recommendations in this thread, saying to meet for a drink in a bar near the hotel first. However she's said we can just go straight to the hotel room and have a drink, meet & chat there instead.

1) Should I trust? Maybe I'm wrong and others have been burned but I see no difference in doing this vs. meeting at a bar for a drink then moving to the hotel. If I'm meeting her in the hotel lobby and escorting her up to the room immediately, I could just sus her out on the way up? Let me know if I'm wrong or others have experience

In as much as you should be striking while the iron is hot when a girl is DTF should she be open to going to the room straightaway, I'd personally still advice caution and scoping her out a little first before jumping headlong into it.

Reason is the moment you're in the room with her you're all in so if there's any shenanigans then you'd have no recourse, from the worst case to something trivial like cold feet on her part. And it's better to gauge vibes prior to committing also otherwise you could well regret the shitty sex later.

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300 overnight but from about 10pm seems to up for most things

There's a comment about that on the closed thread which I'm reposting below:

London - LauraHot

300 for 3 hrs overnight second meet.. oh well

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Take that for what you will but I'd check with her if it's an actual overnight if I were you.

Offline bbz123


In as much as you should be striking while the iron is hot when a girl is DTF should she be open to going to the room straightaway, I'd personally still advice caution and scoping her out a little first before jumping headlong into it.

Reason is the moment you're in the room with her you're all in so if there's any shenanigans then you'd have no recourse, from the worst case to something trivial like cold feet on her part. And it's better to gauge vibes prior to committing also otherwise you could well regret the shitty sex later.

Yeah tbh I should probably emphasise this all comes down to how comfortable you feel meeting her straight away like this, and how comfortable you can make her feel in the room. Some girls are ‘pro’ in the sense they are happy to get down to it straightaway, some will actually be kind of nervous and require a bit of hand holding. And yeah none of this guarantees the sex being good, but that’s only something you’ll find out after taking the plunge tbh…

Offline 50shades1

In as much as you should be striking while the iron is hot when a girl is DTF should she be open to going to the room straightaway, I'd personally still advice caution and scoping her out a little first before jumping headlong into it.

Reason is the moment you're in the room with her you're all in so if there's any shenanigans then you'd have no recourse, from the worst case to something trivial like cold feet on her part. And it's better to gauge vibes prior to committing also otherwise you could well regret the shitty sex later.

Sound advice also. My idea was to have a quick FaceTime the day prior, then on the day of basically to meet her outside the hotel or in the lobby and kind of gauge vibes on the way up to the room. Could always back out on the way up to the room, pay her travel fees and forget about it if something's majorly off.

I understand your point but if I'm meeting her at a bar nearby the hotel I'm fairly all in already am I not? I don't see too much difference with doing the same thing in the hotel room itself.

Was also wondering what's the protocol on payments, do the majority expect cash exchanged before sex? My plan was basically to show her the money in the hotel safe or something then say we'll exchange when you're leaving, saying just in case she runs off with it & also that I just want to make sure we hit it off over drinks in the room first - say if we don't I'll pay her for her travel etc.

Also by 'shenanigans in the room' - I'm just trying to cover all my bases. What exactly do you mean? If I'm meeting her outside the hotel or in the lobby, I can sort of scope out anything suspicious on her arrival, and also cameras in the hotel lobby etc. Any other advice for covering myself? Ask her to empty her purse, phone in the safe or something like that? Don't want to come off as too aggressive or paranoid with her, but also want to ensure my safety.

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Sound advice also. My idea was to have a quick FaceTime the day prior, then on the day of basically to meet her outside the hotel or in the lobby and kind of gauge vibes on the way up to the room. Could always back out on the way up to the room, pay her travel fees and forget about it if something's majorly off.

I understand your point but if I'm meeting her at a bar nearby the hotel I'm fairly all in already am I not? I don't see too much difference with doing the same thing in the hotel room itself.

Was also wondering what's the protocol on payments, do the majority expect cash exchanged before sex? My plan was basically to show her the money in the hotel safe or something then say we'll exchange when you're leaving, saying just in case she runs off with it & also that I just want to make sure we hit it off over drinks in the room first - say if we don't I'll pay her for her travel etc.

Also by 'shenanigans in the room' - I'm just trying to cover all my bases. What exactly do you mean? If I'm meeting her outside the hotel or in the lobby, I can sort of scope out anything suspicious on her arrival, and also cameras in the hotel lobby etc. Any other advice for covering myself? Ask her to empty her purse, phone in the safe or something like that? Don't want to come off as too aggressive or paranoid with her, but also want to ensure my safety.

I always make sure the cash is visible in the room, so on the  table for instance but never hand it over until the end.

A lot of hotels now require key cards to access rooms and lifts so meeting in lobby, bar or nearby bar are necessary anywhere. So you can gauge vibes etc before heading to room

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I always make sure the cash is visible in the room, so on the  table for instance but never hand it over until the end.

A lot of hotels now require key cards to access rooms and lifts so meeting in lobby, bar or nearby bar are necessary anywhere. So you can gauge vibes etc before heading to room

Isn't that risky in the sense you could nip off to the bathroom or a shower and come back to find her legged it with the money? Hence my reasoning for using the safe

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I always make sure the cash is visible in the room, so on the  table for instance but never hand it over until the end.

Why? makes no sense either give it to her or wait until the end. Unless your showing off ....

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Isn't that risky in the sense you could nip off to the bathroom or a shower and come back to find her legged it with the money? Hence my reasoning for using the safe

I’ve never done this… generally I don’t even bring cash and just do PayPal or transfer. Also never agree to give the money first, always do it at the end - I’ve had issues doing it up front before (basically girl disappearing and not coming back), so never do it upfront anymore.

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There's a comment about that on the closed thread which I'm reposting below:


What are closed threads? Invite only?

Offline 50shades1

I’ve never done this… generally I don’t even bring cash and just do PayPal or transfer. Also never agree to give the money first, always do it at the end - I’ve had issues doing it up front before (basically girl disappearing and not coming back), so never do it upfront anymore.

I was thinking more from the girl's perspective, if the cash is there in the room locked away, at least she's seen that you have it there ready to give her. Has a girl never been skeptical of you promising electronic transfers at the end?
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I was thinking more from the girl's perspective, if the cash is there in the room locked away, at least she's seen that you have it there ready to give her. Has a girl never been skeptical of you promising electronic transfers after the meet?

Depends on what you mean by after - not in the case I say I’ll do it in person after we’ve had fun. Obv more skeptical if you were to suggest sending after leaving - I’ve done this before too but more because she didn’t ask and I forgot.

Offline NightKid

I understand your point but if I'm meeting her at a bar nearby the hotel I'm fairly all in already am I not? I don't see too much difference with doing the same thing in the hotel room itself.

No, you wouldn't have paid for the room yet until you're actually in it. Which brings me to another advice I have you for as a newbie, don't fork out for rooms in advance (use Dayuse if you need for the security of a prebooking) and only pay for the booking at the point when you're ready to check-in as it'll save you a tonne when you find yourself ghosted or flaked on.

Was also wondering what's the protocol on payments, do the majority expect cash exchanged before sex?

Always pay at the end after sex. Say it's your policy and if she has any sort of problem with that, walk.

Also by 'shenanigans in the room' - I'm just trying to cover all my bases. What exactly do you mean?

The usual - cold feet, money upfront, going through or nicking stuff, crying foul, etc ... there's all sorts of shit they can pull when they're alone with you so use your imagination.

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So I decided to go for it and get the premium membership.

I wanna try to focus on the younger 18 to 26 aged girls. I know its going to be hard work but lets see how it goes. I currently have a face picture do you think its worth posting up some additional pics. I'm in really good physical shape and I work out a lot so that may attract more but now sure. What to you all think??

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if you have put up a face pic in your public gallery, i guess you don't need discretion and you don't mind showing your face to anyone that
happens to look at SA for your area. So adding other good pics could help if it shows you have a slim/athletic body. fwiw, i have a body shot (neck down) on my public gallery and a face pic in my private gallery and only show it to someone i want to show it to - ie we have started to chat and may have a potential match.

I know some others on here don't have a face pic at all.


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if you have put up a face pic in your public gallery, i guess you don't need discretion and you don't mind showing your face to anyone that
happens to look at SA for your area. So adding other good pics could help if it shows you have a slim/athletic body. fwiw, i have a body shot (neck down) on my public gallery and a face pic in my private gallery and only show it to someone i want to show it to - ie we have started to chat and may have a potential match.

I know some others on here don't have a face pic at all.

Thanks yeah I don't give a damn about how finds out I am on the site.

Offline stampjones

My 2p on the meet in hotels stuff:

Ive done most of my first meets at a hotel. Never had a problem other than a couple of no-shows and one girl I binned at the last moment due to one too many amber flags. I never give out the room number - just tell them to text when there and I go down and get them. As long as you stay sensible its fine.

How you then proceed depends on you and the girl. I usually have some vino ready. Some girls have met 20 guys before and its more or less straight into bed, but I’d say thats a small minority. For most, especially if its their first time a chat and get things relaxed before making a move is required. Thats where the wine helps. Basically you just read the room.

I think the vast majority of girls who get to the stage of arranging a meet are there for the same reason you are and just want to get on with it. Most of the scammers reveal themselves within a few WA texts
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Offline Jardent6

Any recommendations for hotels with a bar in central London. 

Preferably have a happy hour or something of the sort 

Or anywhere in London for that matter . Just have to have fairly decent drink /cocktail prices

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Any recommendations for hotels with a bar in central London. 

Preferably have a happy hour or something of the sort 

Or anywhere in London for that matter . Just have to have fairly decent drink /cocktail prices

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Hey everyone just joined Seeking over the weekend and got somewhat of a shortlist made up for meets. Site is amazing, would recommend over regular punting every day of the week based on selection anyway.

I have a girl who is keen to meet. Seems genuine and no BS. I had approached her initially following the recommendations in this thread, saying to meet for a drink in a bar near the hotel first. However she's said we can just go straight to the hotel room and have a drink, meet & chat there instead.

1) Should I trust? Maybe I'm wrong and others have been burned but I see no difference in doing this vs. meeting at a bar for a drink then moving to the hotel. If I'm meeting her in the hotel lobby and escorting her up to the room immediately, I could just sus her out on the way up? Let me know if I'm wrong or others have experience

2) Also I don't want to be overly blunt by treating it like an escort service by mentioning that I basically am only bringing her in for a drink to fuck her brains out. I'm assuming that by meeting in the hotel room for a drink, she's well aware of that and I don't need to mention specifics; length of stay etc? Probably overthinking it but last thing I want is sitting in the hotel room with a big set of blue balls! Maybe just a subtle way of hinting to be confirm and ease my worries?

Any help for a newbie finding his way, much appreciated.

The girl you happen to be talking about , does she have very distinct eyes ?

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Just as I was losing hope, decided to go through the list of contacts obtained via 2 subscriptions overthe past year. After being ghosted by a few messages, this on SB finally replies, got talking yesterday, agreed to meet and was an absolute freak of a uni studenr(scat being the only no-no!) Paid a little more for the hotel then I would usually but this was expected. All in 250 for 6ish hours (cut a little short due to a personal reason which was made clear during arranging the meet).

Definitely worth reaching out to contacts even if ghosted before, sometimes the stars just align

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I always make sure the cash is visible in the room, so on the  table for instance but never hand it over until the end.


Why? makes no sense either give it to her or wait until the end. Unless your showing off ....

Right, it makes no sense showing the cash. Wrong, it's not either/or - it's pay at the end. Golden rule - NEVER PAY UPFRONT.

Always pay at the end after sex. Say it's your policy and if she has any sort of problem with that, walk.

The usual - cold feet, money upfront, going through or nicking stuff, crying foul, etc ... there's all sorts of shit they can pull when they're alone with you so use your imagination.

Exactly.

If a girl seems money orientated, i spell it out during initial messages that I provide the cash discreetly at the end; it's my policy.

Usually, they don't question this. If they do, then I don't say upfront that it's to guard against girls nicking cash off me - you're suggesting she may be a thief and it appears double standards because you could be out to swindle her. My line, if questioned, is that paying upfront makes the experience transactional. It's what prossies do but you shouldn't need to spell this out, as most girls will realise exactly what you mean.

This then really only leaves a small number of girls who are still reluctant to accept payment at the end and most will agree if you stand firm. But if they're still adamant or doubtful, then just bin them and move on.

But, again, it saves a lot of time if you do this during texts rather than leaving it till the day of the intimate meet when you may have already booked a hotel.

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Offline luv2kiss54

Some great advice on here esp for a newbie like myself to Seeking (2nd week in).

Each to their own but just meeting a girl in your hotel room doing the deed and parting ways... you may as well book an escort. By joining Seeking im looking for something different, definately not a relationship but some connection not purely a financial/sexual transaction. Much rather meet up for drinks and see if i like and fancy the person get flirty and then go on from there. Im sure the sex will be better with the right build up.

Have exchanged messages with many but tieing them down to a meet is more difficult and only actually met one so far with a 2nd meeting pencilled in. Just explaining why im trying it as AW and escorts in general no longer doing it for me.

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Some great advice on here esp for a newbie like myself to Seeking (2nd week in).

Each to their own but just meeting a girl in your hotel room doing the deed and parting ways... you may as well book an escort. By joining Seeking im looking for something different, definately not a relationship but some connection not purely a financial/sexual transaction. Much rather meet up for drinks and see if i like and fancy the person get flirty and then go on from there. Im sure the sex will be better with the right build up.

Have exchanged messages with many but tieing them down to a meet is more difficult and only actually met one so far with a 2nd meeting pencilled in. Just explaining why im trying it as AW and escorts in general no longer doing it for me.

I’ve found even going straight to a hotel room it is still vastly different to an escort - most girls there will be some build up with chatting and drinks, and then initiation tends to be much more natural than with an escort. It can feel much more like a girlfriend or fwb situation with a more relaxed flow.

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Some great advice on here esp for a newbie like myself to Seeking (2nd week in).

Each to their own but just meeting a girl in your hotel room doing the deed and parting ways... you may as well book an escort. By joining Seeking im looking for something different, definately not a relationship but some connection not purely a financial/sexual transaction. Much rather meet up for drinks and see if i like and fancy the person get flirty and then go on from there. Im sure the sex will be better with the right build up.

Have exchanged messages with many but tieing them down to a meet is more difficult and only actually met one so far with a 2nd meeting pencilled in. Just explaining why im trying it as AW and escorts in general no longer doing it for me.
Thats kind of the point. We all have our own ways of doing things and you need to find what works for you and obviously be prepared to potentially vary a bit based on what the girl wants. There are very few absolute rules (never pay upfront) so find what works and enjoy. The type of experience you’re looking for is what is so great about SA imo, getting girls that are actually into you (albeit with the lure of some cash)

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Also by 'shenanigans in the room' - I'm just trying to cover all my bases. What exactly do you mean?

Her male accomplice banging on the door, barging in, demanding money with menaces.
Her, accusing you of grape / molestation.

Worst case scenario is you'll be murdered and robbed.
(Of course it's very unlikely.)

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Can she really still be 19 if she joined - presumably at the minimum age of 18 - in Nov '19?

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Can she really still be 19 if she joined - presumably at the minimum age of 18 - in Nov '19?

yes.

18 in november 2019
19 in november 2020
20 in november 2021 - so still 19 at the moment!

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Anyone spoken to this lady kn29
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really slow comms albeit getting to the point of cash

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Anyone spoken to this lady kn29
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really slow comms albeit getting to the point of cash

Started to talk to her few days back. Very slow to respond, like urself still not got to payment

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I can only imagine she must be talking to hundreds of people for comms to be that slow
you would think if there was money on the table they would respond ASAP.

I am guessing she is gonna be quite expensive.