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Author Topic: This is insane! Selling sex legal but punters to be criminalised  (Read 3314 times)

Offline dp1817

This must be the biggest double standard ever  :dash:   its the WGs offering the service in the first place :dash: its like charging a drug addict but letting the dealer off

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/03/selling-sex-decriminalised-buying-illegal-mps

Sites like AW state that any money exchanged is for time and companionship...

Others offer 'massage' and if anything happens 'well that's just between consenting adults'....

So if buying sex became illegal how will they enforce this?

I can see the Defence case now, 'Yes M'lud, £100 for a cup of coffee does seem expensive but it has no connection with the BJ and Full sex that then took place'

Yet another grandstanding opportunity for out of touch politicians :dash:



Yet another grandstanding opportunity for out of touch politicians :dash:

Those cunts are up more prossies than rats up an aquaduct.  :scare:

Offline Daffodil

Do you bother reading any of the other threads in this forum? I don't think so.
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=20881.msg313524#msg313524
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=25395.0
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=25455.0

Come on now, the titles of those threads are hardly explicit to what the subject matter is. Do you really read every thread and every post? I doubt it.

In addition, if every subject in punting was only allowed one thread I imagine the forum would soon die a death. You, yourself, recently started a thread on bareback and I could link you dozens of threads on the subject and even those pertaining to the risks involved.

Offline Jason

Come on now, the titles of those threads are hardly explicit to what the subject matter is. Do you really read every thread and every post? I doubt it.

In addition, if every subject in punting was only allowed one thread I imagine the forum would soon die a death. You, yourself, recently started a thread on bareback and I could link you dozens of threads on the subject and even those pertaining to the risks involved.

No I don't read each thread or response but if I were to make a new thread I would at least ensure that it is not a subject that we are ALREADY DISCUSSING TODAY IN TWO THREADS and add a funny title that is like “Eureka” and no one else knows about it. Subject recycling is fine but having 3 threads on the same subject all active on the same SINGLE DAY it is not. At least this is my opinion. As for by own thread which you are referring to it was an original contribution on probabilities and risks. Hardly similar to this thread.

Sites like AW state that any money exchanged is for time and companionship...


So if buying sex became illegal how will they enforce this?



You no longer could trust new AW profiles, so you email the girl, and she reply's what type of sex do you like

Big mistake to reply, as it is a profile set up by the police, and we don't know how the law will be written or enforced, it could be just enough for you to be arrested for enquiring about sexual service

So just asking could get you into a lot of trouble

Offline Daffodil

No I don't read each thread or response but if I were to make a new thread I would at least ensure that it is not a subject that we are ALREADY DISCUSSING TODAY IN TWO THREADS and add a funny title that is like “Eureka” and no one else knows about it. Subject recycling is fine but having 3 threads on the same subject all active on the same SINGLE DAY it is not. At least this is my opinion. As for by own thread which you are referring to it was an original contribution on probabilities and risks. Hardly similar to this thread.

Risks and what not have been done before. I'm always banging on about risk.

If the other threads had titles as explicit as this one then fair enough, but as it is I hadn't seen one of the ones you quoted and only saw the Independent one by mistake. Neither title would have seen me click on the thread.

I imagine there are many like me, who may not have seen this information if it wasn't for this particular thread, and, given the importance of the subject matter, that would have been a bad thing.

Offline smiths

This must be the biggest double standard ever  :dash:   its the WGs offering the service in the first place :dash: its like charging a drug addict but letting the dealer off

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/03/selling-sex-decriminalised-buying-illegal-mps

The view held by the anti prostitution brigade including Harriet Harridan is WGs are ALL poor abused victims whether they consider themselves to be or not, and ALL punters are abusing them by paying them for sex. That is the underlying thinking of these people and why they want to see the punter criminalised. Radical feminists hate the idea of punters being able to access sex quickly by a phone call/email and pay a WG for it, it offends them, and they want to impose their views on the rest of us.

The all party group who is pressing for this includes Fiona McTaggart a well known anti. IMO this is unlikely though not impossible to get anywhere near being passed into law before the next election. However, Harridan got her very cobbled together coercion law through in the dying days of the Brown government.

IF such a law was passed no doubt there just being such a law would scare some punters off punting as the risk as they see it would be too high. To actually enforce a law would be costly and manpower intensive when we are talking about catching punters punting off/street with Indies. The police prostitution lead Armitt has recently stated he doesnt see a problem with what consenting adults do off/street, so whether such a law would be enforced we would have to wait and see.

Clearly brothels would be very easy to raid and nick punters in, but brothels are wholly illegal at present but still allowed to operate dependent on the attitude of the top cops in any given area. The street scene is wholly illegal but still goes on all over the country. So its one thing passing a law, it can be quite another getting the police to enforce it.

This is someting to keep a close eye on but no need to panic, i did that in 2009 when Harridan was using made up figures of 4000 trafficked for sex women to help get her law through. Hopefully this time unproven figures will be challenged and subject to scrutiny. Facts wise we have Operations Pentameters 1 and 2 to go on which didnt find trafficking for sex was a major problem despite the police specifically looking for victims. The problem is who will challenge made up and/or incorrect/unproven figures. Its not an election winning issue, many non punters/WGs read the crap some of the media spout and are too lazy or not interested in delving deeper to discover the truth, that some to many WGs choose to become WGs of their own free will, some others choose to work for pimps. Some, no one knows how many are forced to be WGs.

So the antis always have an advantage as many WGs and punters dont wish to put their heads above the paraphet whereas the antis are only too happy to be seen publicly saying how disgusting prostitution is.

What i do believe is if Harridan gets back in and in a top job so will do all she can to criminalise punters, for her its a crusade. Watch this space.

Offline smiths

Do you bother reading any of the other threads in this forum? I don't think so.
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=20881.msg313524#msg313524
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=25395.0
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=25455.0

Makes no odds if he does or not, it isnt against the rules to post another thread up on a subject of concern to a punter. IMO its good to see this subject being discussed again as new punters are joining all the time so it might be their first time reading about this.

Most things punting wise come up time after time, its the same on other forums i am a member of. If we just said read the old threads and stopped punters starting their own things would ground to a halt as Daff said. Also some punters have new questions or aspects of a subject covered before that werent asked or discussed before sometimes.

Offline Jimmyredcab



So if buying sex became illegal how will they enforce this?


They could set up stings as they do in America, however the police don't have the resources to do that.    :hi:

They could set up stings as they do in America, however the police don't have the resources to do that.    :hi:

Its all ready been done in the uk, with kerb crawling, female police officer flaunts her self for sex, and some poor old Johny comes along and asks how much for sex


Busted

I think if it becomes law, that we cant buy sex, the uk government may set up a new department, to track down any one who attempt to buy sex, and take them to court

Offline DaveMugabe

theyd probably have to set up new courts too

There will be a lot of high profile clients out there, now wonder how some of them might get treated

Politian's, Judges, Lawyers, Civil Servants, Police Officers, Custom & Excise, Bankers, Brokers, Doctors, directors

There bound to be a few high profile names, and if its deemed to be against the law, they will still be able to buy sex, and get away with it

Offline broksonic

I am surecould the police just not just ask AW for our credit card details and get our addresses ?
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Offline vorian

Getting credit card details from AW,  GCHQ,  Police sting operations and new Government departments set up to catch punters. Personally I think we need to remain realistic, yes by all means a punter should be cautious and protect themselves in common sense ways but in the big scheme of things we are small fish the resources needed to implement such policy is enormous and the pot very small. At best the Government would hope scare tactics might give them some headlines but I for one cannot see a time when the state will enforce a law with such vigor. Even led by HH,  even the most convictions led politicians find once in power they cannot afford to indulge those personal convictions if they wish to remain in power.
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Offline Aspen

I am surecould the police just not just ask AW for our credit card details and get our addresses ?

You'd have to give it to them first, and there's no way AW or anyone else is going to have any of my details.
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Offline Jimmyredcab

Its all ready been done in the uk, with kerb crawling, female police officer flaunts her self for sex, and some poor old Johny comes along and asks how much.

Totally different, kerb crawling has always been illegal ---- and rightly so.    :hi:

Offline Sienna_Bronze

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At the moment I don't advertise a 'selling sex' so I presume prostitution will just go under a different guise such as 'massage', 'companionship', and perhaps continue under 'escort', after all I'm selling my time not my services.

I hope this law doesn't come in, one thing the feminazis don't think of is how I'm going to pay my bills once the punters are scared off! They are a bunch of moralistic idiots who fight for women rights over their own bodies but not for us to sell sex!
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Offline Strawberry

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At the moment I don't advertise a 'selling sex' so I presume prostitution will just go under a different guise such as 'massage', 'companionship', and perhaps continue under 'escort', after all I'm selling my time not my services.

I hope this law doesn't come in, one thing the feminazis don't think of is how I'm going to pay my bills once the punters are scared off! They are a bunch of moralistic idiots who fight for women rights over their own bodies but not for us to sell sex!

Which won't help anyone, blokes won't know what service they are receiving, and we get the 'massage' phone calls which tend not to go anywhere or at worst feed the TWs.

Offline Strawberry

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Which won't help anyone, blokes won't know what service they are receiving, and we get the 'massage' phone calls which tend not to go anywhere or at worst feed the TWs.

Sorry I forgot that's the whole point 'reduce' prostitution.

Offline smiths

theyd probably have to set up new courts too

Yes, 24/7 courts to process the numerous punters getting nicked. In reality unless the police are given vast extra money and manpower AND the top cops in any given area actually choose to enforce any new law, it is likely to be a law with far more bark than bite, especially where punting with Indies is concerned. :hi:

Offline smiths

Its all ready been done in the uk, with kerb crawling, female police officer flaunts her self for sex, and some poor old Johny comes along and asks how much for sex


Busted

I think if it becomes law, that we cant buy sex, the uk government may set up a new department, to track down any one who attempt to buy sex, and take them to court

With kerb crawling all the police have to do is stake out the already known to them RLD and wait for the punters to arrive. It couldnt be easier to nick them, yet that scene still operates all over the country.

To catch a punter punting with an Indie would be a totally difference thing, it would involve actually doing some police work. Staking out Indies premises for example, that would cost a fortune. Very highly unlikely to happen in my opinion and more so when you bear in mind the police dont even raid and close already illegal brothels in many areas which like the street scene is easy to police if they chose to. Many top cops simply choose not to enforce the law on these two things, i have no doubt the same would be the case with any new law criminalising punters.

Its main purpose would be to scare punters off punting in the first place, and to have such a law on the statute books. Having a law is one thing and bad enough of course, the police enforcing it another thing.

Offline smiths

I am surecould the police just not just ask AW for our credit card details and get our addresses ?

Easily got round if necessary, do what i do and NEVER use a card on A/W, i only contact WGs with displayed phone numbers. I dont do business directly with A/W.


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