Economy of punting (in East Midlands)

[hsl]

A bit of a rant / one for discussion.

I've been punting for a few years, but certainly not as long as some of you here.

When I first started back then, an agency fuck was about £150ph. Indeed my first experience was with an agency girl (didn't know any better). It was a nice pop to my punting cherry, and never really looked back since.

That's probably my most expensive punt. Since then I'm been looking through AW, and eventually found UKP. I've always thought one can find a good punt (and plenty of options) for £100ph (or £60 hh), and indeed I mostly did.

I have noticed a decline in choices in the last year, not just in EM, but places I sometimes travel to. I guess at that price range, it was mostly EE girls anyway, and they have been "driven away" by Brexit and the weak pounds. The British girls tends to charge a bit more, so I tend to give them a miss (at my peril).

I now find myself very limited with options. The very few that still charge £100ph don't work as regularly as I would have like. I'm beginning to accept that after almost 5 years, I have to move my budget up to perhaps £120 ph to find something decent.

Now that I'm getting on a bit however, I was hoping the do 1/2 hour instead. But the way some of the girls set their prices, it's more "economical" to do 1 hr instead of 30min. eg £80hh, £120ph... And yet quite often they can only accommodate for 30mins when I call them up. I guess I need to plan a day before...

Am I just being stingy  , or has time really moved on and I perhaps need to up my budget even more to get a decent punt? 

[Sureshot]

I hear you. 

When i started on aw i always went for 1 hour meets and there was ample choice at £100/60 but over the last year i have reduced to 30 mins.  The going rate seems to have been pushed up to £70-80 while 1 hours going for £100-120 so the value of 30mins has significantly gone down.

Change in economic forces i suppose.  Not much we can do except refuse to pay the higher charges and seek out the girls still offering good vfm

[l1mpd1ck]

If you have time to plan ahead it's worth considering a Reverse Booking on AW - they are only a couple of quid and you will often get girls bidding way below their advertised rates.

However, in my experience they work better for outcalls than incalls and less response outside of London. Although I have had a couple of VFM meetings for West Midland incalls.

[NervousJ]

The amount now trying to charge £100 per Alf hour with no or limited feedback and zero feedback on here is astounding.. sadly the new £60 hh is now £80 hh...

I won’t go over the £140 per hour mark, but some lasses I’d like to see are now charging £150 or £160....

I guess there must be folks paying it..

A prime example...

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[Cryton123]

The amount now trying to charge £100 per Alf hour with no or limited feedback and zero feedback on here is astounding.. sadly the new £60 hh is now £80 hh...

I won’t go over the £140 per hour mark, but some lasses I’d like to see are now charging £150 or £160....

I guess there must be folks paying it..

A prime example...

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She looks smoking hot. But all her reviews say light kissing only, and for those prices I’d want her to eat my face off!  So it’s a no from me 

[Newtothisstuff]

Prices are going up fast. Not that long ago, you entered a limit of £100 per hour into AW and you got a decent sized list of girls with plenty of choice. Now, hardly anyone pops up except the odd trafficked Romanian who doesn't want to be be there, doesn't want you there and doesn't provide most of the services on her 'likes' list.
Now, we've got middle aged size 16 women with no history and short likes lists charging £150+ and then telling us what they enjoy! Who gives a fuck? We're paying them to do what we enjoy... not pay to give them the good time.
I had a girl turn up to a 1 hour booking not so long ago and proceed to tell me she likes to sit down and have a good chat  for the first 20 - 30 minutes so she gets to know the client a little better. What the fuck? All she needed to know was that I was paying her and she needed to understand what her mouth was actually for!
I flatly refuse to spend £150 an hour on anyone. £2.50 A minute is ludicrously expensive.
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As I've said before. It's our own stupid fault. Some punters are just blindly accepting this and paying it. I wish that punters as a group would say to the girls.... stop taking the piss. We don't punt again until you lower your prices. But... that'll never happen.

[Ali Katt]

Now, we've got middle aged size 16 women with no history and short likes lists charging £150+ and then telling us what they enjoy! Who gives a fuck? We're paying them to do what we enjoy... not pay to give them the good time.

For £100 an hour or less I will see them allday long. If I'm in that mood they can happily tell me what to do, but they will dealing with my brat side and I'm a lot scarier as a brat, so they better be very headstrong otherwise the answer will be "make me".

I had a girl turn up to a 1 hour booking not so long ago and proceed to tell me she likes to sit down and have a good chat  for the first 20 - 30 minutes so she gets to know the client a little better. What the fuck? All she needed to know was that I was paying her and she needed to understand what her mouth was actually for!
I flatly refuse to spend £150 an hour on anyone. £2.50 A minute is ludicrously expensive.
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That is taking the absolute Michael.

As I've said before. It's our own stupid fault. Some punters are just blindly accepting this and paying it. I wish that punters as a group would say to the girls.... stop taking the piss. We don't punt again until you lower your prices. But... that'll never happen.

Yes and no. We get a girl at less than £100 an hour and she's British and punters get suspicious, what happen prices go up. Some girls do genuinely enjoy sex and don't want to rip people off.Sometimes it's greed and stupidity on the girl's part, charging £160 an hour with no feedback or in some cases verified pictures. A thread on a well known escort site has over 100 replies, the thread is titled "is it quiet or is it just me?" or something similar. Says it all, I don't think it's in someway undervaluing someone if they did a special offer and lowered their prices for a month to £100 from £150 or whatever, Let's face it most prices go up when girls tour.

[badsin]

The amount now trying to charge £100 per Alf hour with no or limited feedback and zero feedback on here is astounding.. sadly the new £60 hh is now £80 hh...

I won’t go over the £140 per hour mark, but some lasses I’d like to see are now charging £150 or £160....

I guess there must be folks paying it..

A prime example...

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Good spot. I'd ruin that

[hsl]

Glad I'm not the only one...

...but is it our fault though? I think it's because of the lack of EE (non-Romanian) girls. There used to be plenty of £100ph good EE offerings. With Brexit and weak pounds there aren't as many as there used to be.

I think I might have to up the search to £130 and see what I might be missing out on. Or stick with the handful of VFM £100ph punts that's still working. (TBH at £130 I expect A-Level!).

[Newtothisstuff]

I think it is our fault. If we didn't pay these stupid hourly rates, the girls would stop charging them.
How are girls able to take part in Tontober if they can't survive on £100 per hour. One of them was on the other site recently trying to plead poverty. She charges £180 per hour. That's £3 every minute. I'm sure we'd all struggle if we were only paid £3 every minute.

[MajorPayne]

I think it is our fault. If we didn't pay these stupid hourly rates, the girls would stop charging them.
How are girls able to take part in Tontober if they can't survive on £100 per hour. One of them was on the other site recently trying to plead poverty. She charges £180 per hour. That's £3 every minute. I'm sure we'd all struggle if we were only paid £3 every minute.

Pretty much agree with you. If unilaterally all punters refused to see any SP over a particular hourly rate then that would result in the cost being reduced to reflect market forces.   But back in the real world this is highly unlikely to happen as guys generally (1) think with their dicks and (2) have varying levels of income so where £180/ hour is a fortune to you and me, it may be pocket change to others.

[Ali Katt]

Glad I'm not the only one...

...but is it our fault though? I think it's because of the lack of EE (non-Romanian) girls. There used to be plenty of £100ph good EE offerings. With Brexit and weak pounds there aren't as many as there used to be.

I think I might have to up the search to £130 and see what I might be missing out on. Or stick with the handful of VFM £100ph punts that's still working. (TBH at £130 I expect A-Level!).

Nope. Five new Roma in south Yorkshire pretty much every week, all tourers. Tons of new ees in Derbyshire as well, whether they're any good is another matter.

[jayuk99]

if its more than £100 they wont be seeing my money.... and i hope others follow suit. i dont want to pay silly money so they can fly out to dubai and earn 5 times that per session

[Newtothisstuff]

I does piss me off when you see a girls prices going up and up only to be followed by some photo on UKE of her sitting on a tropical beach drinking cocktails.
As has been said, plenty of new girls get off the bus into a town near us every day, looking to get every penny they can out of us. If we're gullible enough to think that a girl is worth £160 or £200 for an hour, we deserve to get shafted. It makes me cringe when I see a review of some half hour booking and the punter says some damn fool thing like 'she was good value for money at £100!'
£100 was a common hourly rate not too very long ago. Has the price of condoms suddenly risen to £20 each when I wasn't looking? Has Ann Summers started charging a door fee?
Greed is the only reason we're seeing these price rises and while we're thinking with our cocks rather than our brains, they'll continue to rise.
A girl I saw not too long ago was charging £120 per hour. Then it went up to £140 and now it's £145. Her profile is only a few months old.... It's greed..... because it sure as hell isn't inflation.

[Ali Katt]

I does piss me off when you see a girls prices going up and up only to be followed by some photo on UKE of her sitting on a tropical beach drinking cocktails.
As has been said, plenty of new girls get off the bus into a town near us every day, looking to get every penny they can out of us. If we're gullible enough to think that a girl is worth £160 or £200 for an hour, we deserve to get shafted. It makes me cringe when I see a review of some half hour booking and the punter says some damn fool thing like 'she was good value for money at £100!'
£100 was a common hourly rate not too very long ago. Has the price of condoms suddenly risen to £20 each when I wasn't looking? Has Ann Summers started charging a door fee?
Greed is the only reason we're seeing these price rises and while we're thinking with our cocks rather than our brains, they'll continue to rise.
A girl I saw not too long ago was charging £120 per hour. Then it went up to £140 and now it's £145. Her profile is only a few months old.... It's greed..... because it sure as hell isn't inflation.

Agree with most of what you posted, but I honestly couldn't give fuck how they spend their money. Who cares if they are in Malega or wherever?

[Newtothisstuff]

Agree with most of what you posted, but I honestly couldn't give fuck how they spend their money. Who cares if they are in Malega or wherever?

It's just when they plead poverty, put their prices up.... then fuck off on their third foreign holiday that year...... it does piss you off when you think - I bloody paid for that!

[Ali Katt]

It's just when they plead poverty, put their prices up.... then fuck off on their third foreign holiday that year...... it does piss you off when you think - I bloody paid for that!

There's a term for it narcissism. I honestly couldn't care what they spend their money, the same as I wouldn't care if say a Sainsbury's till worker spends his money on weed. I've heard the sob stories about not being able to afford mobile phone credit, how real and how imagined they are are anybody's guess. Contrary to popular belief there are escorts that genuinely only see two men a month, but not by choice.

[Charliehutton]

It makes me cringe when I see a review of some half hour booking and the punter says some damn fool thing like 'she was good value for money at £100!'

Er...I'm sorry about this, Ntts, but you'd better skip my next review....

[Newtothisstuff]

Er...I'm sorry about this, Ntts, but you'd better skip my next review....

Will do.

[Ali Katt]

How did RhonaSG go from £150 to £200?
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[HailWood]

It's just when they plead poverty, put their prices up.... then fuck off on their third foreign holiday that year...... it does piss you off when you think - I bloody paid for that!

How the girl chooses to spend her cash is no business of mine. I don’t get upset by Bill Gates on his yacht.

No one is forcing us to pay anything. The only way prices increases will cease is if EVERY punter stops booking the high prices ones. Until then they will see a competitor getting a better rate and then try to do the same.

[soppyget]

ha, I remember a time when my annual budget for visiting saunas was £500 per year!!!  on an almost monthly basis, I could go to pretty much any one of the saunas in Sheffield (old athena, ceasars, crystal suite, ambassador, omega, bird of paradise, to name but a few) during the 90s, mill about using their sauna/steam/jacuzzi and letching at the lasses until I finally choose one, do the business, and still come away with change from £50!!

Loved the Sheffield sauna scene but its demise is what's sent me to independent girls.  One of the reasons I don't punt as often as I used to.

[Newtothisstuff]

My point isn't that they should only spend their money a certain way and shouldn't have a holiday. What they do with their money is up to them. My point is that I'm sick and tired of girls telling us they have to keep putting their prices up because of increased costs or because they were barely breaking even. It's all bullshit. Despite pleading poverty they are able to afford to spend a week in a nice hotel in the Caribbean two or three times a year.
Even just working 5 days a week, a girl seeing only 1 punter a day at £200 per hour earns £1000 a week. £48,000 a year allowing for 4 weeks unpaid holiday! I'm just fed up of the bullshit. The truth is far easier to understand. They're out to make as much money from us as they can. They'll keep on putting their prices up and up until we finally come to our senses and refuse to pay that much. If we're dumb enough to pay them these ludicrous rates..... we deserve everything we get.

[Moby Dick]

My point isn't that they should only spend their money a certain way and shouldn't have a holiday. What they do with their money is up to them. My point is that I'm sick and tired of girls telling us they have to keep putting their prices up because of increased costs or because they were barely breaking even. It's all bullshit. Despite pleading poverty they are able to afford to spend a week in a nice hotel in the Caribbean two or three times a year.
Even just working 5 days a week, a girl seeing only 1 punter a day at £200 per hour earns £1000 a week. £48,000 a year allowing for 4 weeks unpaid holiday! I'm just fed up of the bullshit. The truth is far easier to understand. They're out to make as much money from us as they can. They'll keep on putting their prices up and up until we finally come to our senses and refuse to pay that much. If we're dumb enough to pay them these ludicrous rates..... we deserve everything we get.

I also suffer from cunt envy but I wouldn’t have a sex change and suck cheesy nobs for a living, not matter the hourly rate.
I am a weak man. I love pussy, sometimes pay over the odds, and no doubt will carry on until i am incapable.
My health & time is more precious than my wealth. Get busy living, fuck some pro$$ies and cover them in cum

[AriT]

My point isn't that they should only spend their money a certain way and shouldn't have a holiday. What they do with their money is up to them. My point is that I'm sick and tired of girls telling us they have to keep putting their prices up because of increased costs or because they were barely breaking even. It's all bullshit. Despite pleading poverty they are able to afford to spend a week in a nice hotel in the Caribbean two or three times a year.
Even just working 5 days a week, a girl seeing only 1 punter a day at £200 per hour earns £1000 a week. £48,000 a year allowing for 4 weeks unpaid holiday! I'm just fed up of the bullshit. The truth is far easier to understand. They're out to make as much money from us as they can. They'll keep on putting their prices up and up until we finally come to our senses and refuse to pay that much. If we're dumb enough to pay them these ludicrous rates..... we deserve everything we get.

If you could charge 200/hr for your time, wouldn't you? I would. It's market forces. What guys are getting upset about is that they are being priced out of seeing certain girls. That's just life. Asking everyone to stop buying a Ferrari until the price drops is never going to happen. Same thing here. Earn more and pay more . I accept there are certain girls I'll never afford but not losng any sleep about that.

[TheMurloc]

Even just working 5 days a week, a girl seeing only 1 punter a day at £200 per hour earns £1000 a week. £48,000 a year allowing for 4 weeks unpaid holiday!

Tax free and NI free too in most cases I'm sure unless Sergei is doing that for them.

[Newtothisstuff]

If you could charge 200/hr for your time, wouldn't you? I would. It's market forces. What guys are getting upset about is that they are being priced out of seeing certain girls. That's just life. Asking everyone to stop buying a Ferrari until the price drops is never going to happen. Same thing here. Earn more and pay more . I accept there are certain girls I'll never afford but not losng any sleep about that.

That's bollocks. It's nothing to do with some guys being priced out of seeing certain girls. The price rises are across the board. 70-80 is the new half hour average. 6 months ago it was 60!
A year or so back, if you'd told everyone that size 14-16 middle aged housewives with no track record and a short liles list would be charging £150 and upwards, you'd have been laughed at. You still are.... it's just that it's the girls laughing. All the way to the bank.

[Newtothisstuff]

....and no - you can't blame the girls for charging as much as they can. It's our fault for being such idiots that we're just going to keep on paying whatever they ask.

[HailWood]

....and no - you can't blame the girls for charging as much as they can. It's our fault for being such idiots that we're just going to keep on paying whatever they ask.

And that’s why I have set a limit and will not see girls over that limit (unless they offer something very special that I want which commands a premium). My target is £130ph and my upper limit is £150ph.

I’d recommend everyone sets their own target and limits. Girls pushing up their rates beyond market value will soon reduce. I stopped seeing a regular when she pushed up her rates to £150, she then tried £160 but I notice she has dropped back to £150 recently. I’ve now got new regulars at £130 so I won’t be going back anytime soon.

Works ok for me.

[Newtothisstuff]

And that’s why I have set a limit and will not see girls over that limit (unless they offer something very special that I want which commands a premium). My target is £130ph and my upper limit is £150ph.

I’d recommend everyone sets their own target and limits. Girls pushing up their rates beyond market value will soon reduce. I stopped seeing a regular when she pushed up her rates to £150, she then tried £160 but I notice she has dropped back to £150 recently. I’ve now got new regulars at £130 so I won’t be going back anytime soon.

Works ok for me.

I do the same.

[Ali Katt]

And that’s why I have set a limit and will not see girls over that limit (unless they offer something very special that I want which commands a premium). My target is £130ph and my upper limit is £150ph.

I’d recommend everyone sets their own target and limits. Girls pushing up their rates beyond market value will soon reduce. I stopped seeing a regular when she pushed up her rates to £150, she then tried £160 but I notice she has dropped back to £150 recently. I’ve now got new regulars at £130 so I won’t be going back anytime soon.

Works ok for me.

As I've said elsewhere my ceiling limit is £130. I could go a bit higher if I was in the big smoke though.

[AriT]

That's bollocks. It's nothing to do with some guys being priced out of seeing certain girls. The price rises are across the board. 70-80 is the new half hour average. 6 months ago it was 60!
A year or so back, if you'd told everyone that size 14-16 middle aged housewives with no track record and a short liles list would be charging £150 and upwards, you'd have been laughed at. You still are.... it's just that it's the girls laughing. All the way to the bank.

Is it?

That's probably my most expensive punt. Since then I'm been looking through AW, and eventually found UKP. I've always thought one can find a good punt (and plenty of options) for £100ph (or £60 hh), and indeed I mostly did.

I have noticed a decline in choices in the last year, not just in EM, but places I sometimes travel to. I guess at that price range, it was mostly EE girls anyway, and they have been "driven away" by Brexit and the weak pounds. The British girls tends to charge a bit more, so I tend to give them a miss (at my peril).

I now find myself very limited with options. The very few that still charge £100ph don't work as regularly as I would have like. I'm beginning to accept that after almost 5 years, I have to move my budget up to perhaps £120 ph to find something decent.

Prices are going up fast. Not that long ago, you entered a limit of £100 per hour into AW and you got a decent sized list of girls with plenty of choice. Now, hardly anyone pops up except the odd trafficked Romanian who doesn't want to be be there, doesn't want you there and doesn't provide most of the services on her 'likes' list.
Now, we've got middle aged size 16 women with no history and short likes lists charging £150+ and then telling us what they enjoy! Who gives a fuck? We're paying them to do what we enjoy... not pay to give them the good time.

I mean it looks to me like guys are complaining because they lack choices at a price point. Isn't that being priced out of the market? And the recurrent theme of there being not enough choice simply reinforces the argument that guys aren't being able to see the type of lady that ticks their boxes i.e. their certain type of lady.

[hsl]

My target price to pay used to be £100ph, £120 if doing A-level. £110 at a push if it's someone with lots of decent review. I have now accepted £120 being "normal" price for most, and £130 for the "popular" ones. Not sure how much more I should pay for A-Level.

My "regular" / go-to girl seems to be winding down on her hours. Our availability rarely matches now, which is why I keep having to look for alternatives. A few bad punts in the recent past. :-(

I avoid Romanians like most of you do... I really don't know why the girls tell us their nationality in AW. I move straight on as soon as I see "Romanian" in the profile, however attractive they may be. I don't normally even bother looking them up on UKP.

I don't really care what they do with their money to be honest. If they want to waste it on exotic holidays it's their prerogative. If they are sensible, they might be able to / want to invest in bricks and mortar etc and "retire" early. They can only charge what we are willing to pay. It's very obvious that one charging high prices are not expecting queues of punters, especially if they have no track record... and good luck to them. The ones who raise their prices might well be doing this as they know we will still pay... to a point. Business is business as they say.

[MajorPayne]

And that’s why I have set a limit and will not see girls over that limit (unless they offer something very special that I want which commands a premium). My target is £130ph and my upper limit is £150ph.

I’d recommend everyone sets their own target and limits. Girls pushing up their rates beyond market value will soon reduce. I stopped seeing a regular when she pushed up her rates to £150, she then tried £160 but I notice she has dropped back to £150 recently. I’ve now got new regulars at £130 so I won’t be going back anytime soon.

Works ok for me.

I do the same.  My ceiling is £120/hour although 9/10 I'll do the £60/30 minutes.  Luckily Northampton parlours have reasonably priced girls. I've never had a bad punt at Temptations.

[Ramone78]

IMHO, several factors are putting me off Punting of late,
Inflated prices, VERY limited choices , too many old Fat Birds describing themselves a BBW's with photoshopped / old pictures & Charging for extras all of which conspire to deter.
Wouldn't be so bad if there was less B&S too.

[OnePumpPete]

Its not even so much the amount you are paying but the quality of escort you're paying for IMO.

[Newtothisstuff]

I went over budget recently - but that was because it was an outcall to a hotel in the middle of nowhere on a Sunday evening.
In that kind of situation, it's fair enough that we pay extra. Otherwise, 120 is my limit and I won't break it for anyone - except maybe Claudia Schiffer - and even that would depend on whether she offered OWO and fingering.

[Newtothisstuff]

Does anyone know if she does?