ParisB on Mumsnet helping wives catch their husbands

[NIK]

Some guys slating the censorship of PN yet the subject of this thread was banned very early on after the revelations.  Dig the irony.  I would liked to have heard more of PB's version of events and her defence as the case grew against her.

There is no irony. A prossy who has behaved as she has done has no place on a punters forum. Rather the irony is that a forum called %%% doesn't have the punter's interest at heart in any shape or form.

[DJ Fruit Polo]

I think that's an offensive opinion to prossies in general who have never tried to out punters on mumsnet.

With respect, I think that's twisting my words.  I'm sure we'd all agree that clients and WGs alike assume that all parties will be discreet and respect each other's privacy.  It's the unwritten rule without which lots of clients wouldn't punt and lots of WGs wouldn't choose their line of work.

I'm just trying to keep this topic on what ParisB has done, rather than what she might do.  She has done plenty, after all.

[vorian]

With respect, I think that's twisting my words.  I'm sure we'd all agree that clients and WGs alike assume that all parties will be discreet and respect each other's privacy.  It's the unwritten rule without which lots of clients wouldn't punt and lots of WGs wouldn't choose their line of work.

I'm just trying to keep this topic on what ParisB has done, rather than what she might do.  She has done plenty, after all.

OK I see your point of view, so out of interest, what would you say to a newbie who wanted to book ParisB.

If they were single and had no one they could be outed to.

Or

If they were married/in relationship and had people they could be outed to.

Would you say to one or both of them they would be safe to punt with ParisB as there is no evidence to say she has directly outed any of her clients.

[DJ Fruit Polo]

OK I see your point of view, so out of interest, what would you say to a newbie who wanted to book ParisB.

If they were single and had no one they could be outed to.

Or

If they were married/in relationship and had people they could be outed to.

Would you say to one or both of them they would be safe to punt with ParisB as there is no evidence to say she has directly outed any of her clients.

I'm not in a position to recommend (or otherwise) anyone that I haven't actually visited myself.  All you can really do when asked about a lady you've no personal knowledge of is to point them in the direction of those who are able to give an informed opinion, such as reviews and threads on this site, and allow them make up their own minds.

Of course, searching on "ParisB" here will bring up this very thread, which would be likely to put most people off!  I must confess that if I had been interested in her before then I really wouldn't be now...

[Topot]

OK I see your point of view, so out of interest, what would you say to a newbie who wanted to book ParisB.

If they were single and had no one they could be outed to.

Or

If they were married/in relationship and had people they could be outed to.

Would you say to one or both of them they would be safe to punt with ParisB as there is no evidence to say she has directly outed any of her clients.

Maybe tell them it's not about being careful about what information you give her but making sure you don't do anything stupid like punt with with your actual phone, use your real email for aw, keep a logged in AW profile...

What she did was bang out of order because she gave the tools of how to track a punter has been with an escort not if a certain punter had been with her. I think this is actually worse as it's not personal and effects every single punter.

I doubt all the women on MN were/are from Bristol where Paris is from and I doubt Paris remembers any more about a punter than how long they took too leave after they punted and how much they gave her... don't think she kept a diary so she could match the hundreds of punters she met to the amount of women she was talking too.

That's what I would tell a regular or a new punter, don't do anything stupid that will make it easy for your spouse to catch you.

[vorian]

Maybe tell them it's not about being careful about what information you give her but making sure you don't do anything stupid like punt with with your actual phone, use your real email for aw, keep a logged in AW profile...

What she did was bang out of order because she gave the tools of how to track a punter has been with an escort not if a certain punter had been with her. I think this is actually worse as it's not personal and effects every single punter.

I doubt all the women on MN were/are from Bristol where Paris is from and I doubt Paris remembers any more about a punter than how long they took too leave after they punted and how much they gave her... don't think she kept a diary so she could match the hundreds of punters she met to the amount of women she was talking too.

That's what I would tell a regular or a new punter, don't do anything stupid that will make it easy for your spouse to catch you.

All good advice, in general but would you advise even with all this protection a newbie punter to punt with ParisB.

[Topot]

All good advice, in general but would you advise even with all this protection a newbie punter to punt with ParisB.

I just answered you. If the question you are asking is what would I advise to a newbie punter who wanted to punt with Paris, it would be the same I would advise to any other punter....

Don't do anything that would make it easy for your spouse to catch you.

[vorian]

I just answered you. If the question you are asking is what would I advise to a newbie punter who wanted to punt with Paris, it would be the same I would advise to any other punter....

Don't do anything that would make it easy for your spouse to catch you.

So what she has done would have no bearing on your advice at all, her actions should have no consequence for her personally. You would say to a newbie it is OK to see her as long as you protect yourself as you should with any prossie.
 

[squeezebox]

OK I see your point of view, so out of interest, what would you say to a newbie who wanted to book ParisB.

If they were single and had no one they could be outed to.

Or

If they were married/in relationship and had people they could be outed to.

Would you say to one or both of them they would be safe to punt with ParisB as there is no evidence to say she has directly outed any of her clients.

I would start with the tried and trusted:  "Never trust a pro$$ie" and go from there.

So the answer to both questions would be YES on the basis is applies to any pro$$ie that you book for a punt.

At the moment ParisB is fast becoming a curiosity fuck more than a danger fuck!

The valuable lesson or instruction to a newbie is not to divulge any personal information about yourself at anytime. There are so many good tips and advice on various threads on this forum. Lessons learnt from seasoned/hardened punters over time.

[Dani]

It would also be wise to add, never give a prossie your AW username as that is how she helped these women find out about their husbands, A few saw the open page and the username and this is how Paris was able to find out how many escorts he had seen via feedback as well as how long he had been a member as well as what services he was looking for (lots of men fill out profiles) as well as which escorts he had booked.  If they dont know his username all they have to do is click on forgot username or password and they send a link to the registered email address and most punters use their normal email addy and most wives know the password to their partners email

[Topot]

So what she has done would have no bearing on your advice at all, her actions should have no consequence for her personally. You would say to a newbie it is OK to see her as long as you protect yourself as you should with any prossie.

Prossies aren't meant to be replacement gf's/wives. You don't need to like them, respect them or even care about their morals. You just need to find them attractive and want to fuck them.

I can see where you stand on it and I know where I stand on it.... Regardless of what I or you think, punters will do what ever they want to do. So it's not about saying whether it's ok or not ok to go see her which I think is the point your going on about but rather about keeping the punter safe and clued up.

So yes, what she did was a shitty thing to do, but no I'm not gonna give my 2 cents as to whether a punter should go and see her cause punters will do what they want.

[James999]

At the moment ParisB is fast becoming a curiosity fuck more than a danger fuck!

More like a charity fuck 

She needs to start saving up to get those joke tits sorted 

[squeezebox]

Prossies aren't meant to be replacement gf's/wives. You don't need to like them, respect them or even care about their morals. You just need to find them attractive and want to fuck them.

I can see where you stand on it and I know where I stand on it.... Regardless of what I or you think, punters will do what ever they want to do. So it's not about saying whether it's ok or not ok to go see her which I think is the point your going on about but rather about keeping the punter safe and clued up.

So yes, what she did was a shitty thing to do, but no I'm not gonna give my 2 cents as to whether a punter should go and see her cause punters will do what they want.

This is the bottom line.  No-one likes being told what they can and can't do, but....forewarned is forearmed. This is where this thread helps us punters realise they shouldn't leave things to luck, before they fuck.

[Hogan]

If you knew a drug-dealer was helping the police to catch as many drug users as possible, but had no evidence that he got any of his customers jailed, would you still trust him to use his services? 

[vorian]

This is the bottom line.  No-one likes being told what they can and can't do, but....forewarned is forearmed. This is where this thread helps us punters realise they shouldn't leave things to luck, before they fuck.

It seems we have two issues one of warnings and direct punter safety which is down to the punter to protect themselves, ok I get that.

However imho also an issue that what she did was wrong, that has ramifications beyond those for individual punters.

[squeezebox]

If you knew a drug-dealer was helping the police to catch as many drug users as possible, but had no evidence that he got any of his customers jailed, would you still trust him to use his services? 

Aaah, I see where you're going with this. 

Yes, assuming I had nothing to lose...but I would cover my tracks and meet on my terms.

[Daffodil]

With respect, I think that's twisting my words.  I'm sure we'd all agree that clients and WGs alike assume that all parties will be discreet and respect each other's privacy.  It's the unwritten rule without which lots of clients wouldn't punt and lots of WGs wouldn't choose their line of work.

I'm just trying to keep this topic on what ParisB has done, rather than what she might do.  She has done plenty, after all.

I'm not twisting your words, or at least not trying to.

You seem to imply that seeing ParisB is just as risky as seeing any other prossie.

That is what I think is nonsense. When she has been shown to try to out punters on mumsnet then you must be, at least, higher risk.

[Strawberry]

The majority of punters do use pseudonyms, have punting phones etc.

It's also been said numerous times that %%% is now a prossie orientated site.

Is there anything new to be gleaned from this episode?

[squeezebox]

It seems we have two issues one of warnings and direct punter safety which is down to the punter to protect themselves, ok I get that.

However imho also an issue that what she did was wrong, that has ramifications beyond those for individual punters.

Yes, it was, and no doubt her HMRC returns will reflect this.

This thread has made anyone that has read it, more savvy. Also, made a few pro$$ies realise that certain practices will not be tolerated.

[Topot]

It seems we have two issues one of warnings and direct punter safety which is down to the punter to protect themselves, ok I get that.

However imho also an issue that what she did was wrong, that has ramifications beyond those for individual punters.

I agree. That's what my previous post was about, not the actual punters she has seen cause lets all be realistic... If she outed the punters that came to see her it would have been all over here, PN Etc etc She would have lost all her regulars, had no clients and would no longer be working... So I doubt it was her own clients. So if you have seen her... no need to keep shitting bricks.

It's the bigger deal that she exposed how any punter can be tracked and caught, those who are new the game and old timers. I think everyone on this thread agrees that a) it was her and not her cracked head sister and b) it was bang out of order.

So punters should learn from this and be vigilant is keeping punting secret.

[vorian]

I'm not twisting your words, or at least not trying to.

You seem to imply that seeing ParisB is just as risky as seeing any other prossie.

That is what I think is nonsense. When she has been shown to try to out punters on mumsnet then you must be, at least, higher risk.

If nothing else her actions show that she does not consider punter safety an issue that a prossie should take seriously. Yes of course a punter should protect themselves at all times and of course never trust a WG but surely part of the large amounts of money you pay is for that discretion.

 ParisB was not some newbie kid on the block, but an established so called professional who was well respected (By punters and prossies) and well reviewed on UKP. It was proven her loyalties were to nameless strangers on Mumsnet over the people who paid her large sums of money for that discretion.

   

[James999]

Is there anything new to be gleaned from this episode?

What do you mean ?

[GeeWiz]

That's a fair point of view may I ask what you personally think of the evidence against her on this thread, have for example you read it all if you have, what version of events  do you think ParisB could have posted when faced with the information that was uncovered.

Personally I agree I would have liked to been able to question her more but that is not my call, it's Adam and Nik's.

I've read and followed the thread plus commented my opinion.  Just think it would have been better to let her keep the spade and keep digging rather than have it out of sight in PMs on PN/AW.

[squeezebox]

The majority of punters do use pseudonyms, have punting phones etc.

It's also been said numerous times that %%% is now a prossie orientated site.

Is there anything new to be gleaned from this episode?

The fact that they have recently censored/deleted posts/banned members who don't agree with their opinions, it's now just purely another advertising medium for pro$$ies.

The thing is, only other pro$$ies will visit there, so the business strategy is now corrupt. 

[Aspen]

It would also be wise to add, never give a prossie your AW username as that is how she helped these women find out about their husbands

That's an interesting idea. Loads of them ask.

Do you suggest we refuse to provide the answer?

I don't think a booking will result from that.

[Topot]

I've read and followed the thread plus commented my opinion.  Just think it would have been better to let her keep the spade and keep digging rather than have it out of sight in PMs on PN/AW.

Nahh she should have been blocked, nothing else to say after that lie of a speech.

This thread would have solely focused on her being a twat and not on how to avoid being caught but the gf/mrs which I hope it focus' more on.

She's been rightly named and shamed, keep it as a sticky but don't just slag her off and not help all punters, at least give tips as to how not to get caught.

That would be putting the punting 1st - highlighting how even the 'best of them' can effect your real life and punting life.

[NIK]

That's an interesting idea. Loads of them ask.

Do you suggest we refuse to provide the answer?

I don't think a booking will result from that.

    I have never been asked for my AW user name.

[NIK]

The fact that they have recently censored/deleted posts/banned members who don't agree with their opinions, it's now just purely another advertising medium for pro$$ies.The thing is, only other pro$$ies will visit there, so the business strategy is now corrupt. 

Spot on! Although it has been for years.
I  just wish they'd stop calling it %%%. 

[vorian]

Spot on! Although it has been for years.
I  just wish they'd stop calling it %%%. 

That is the one thing that really pisses me off more than anything, stupid I know. They should just call it "Elite Connections" or something  like that. Or how about "White Knights" by "Galahad" saying that it does sound like a perfume then.

[squeezebox]

That's an interesting idea. Loads of them ask.


Do you suggest we refuse to provide the answer?

I don't think a booking will result from that.

The only time they would/should know your AW name, which you can't avoid, is when you email them on AW or submit a booking form on AW.

There's no reason to let anyone else know your AW name, even other punters.

[NIK]

That is the one thing that really pisses me off more than anything, stupid I know. They should just call it "Elite Connections" or something  like that. Or how about "White Knights" by "Galahad" saying that it does sound like a perfume then.

Or how about Overweight, Embittered Has Beens?

[Dani]

That's an interesting idea. Loads of them ask.

Do you suggest we refuse to provide the answer?

I don't think a booking will result from that.

You could say you are not a member.

I have never asked a phone client his AW username as it doesn't matter as I take most bookings via phone and prefer to see how they interact with me rather than reading feedback on AW which we all know is total crap as a large amount are too frightened to leave a negative and some of those that do, do it for malicious reasons. 
women who take phone bookings don't have any use for a username

[James999]

That's an interesting idea. Loads of them ask.

I've NEVER been asked my AW nic, Pro$$ies don't give a fuck what name you use, I've seent he same girl and used different names and they've nto cared 

[vorian]

You could say you are not a member.

I have never asked a phone client his AW username as it doesn't matter as I take most bookings via phone and prefer to see how they interact with me rather than reading feedback on AW which we all know is total crap as a large amount are too frightened to leave a negative and some of those that do, do it for malicious reasons. 
women who take phone bookings don't have any use for a username

That is a point of view that makes sense but seems to come with experience, many newbie prossies do seem to get sucked into the whole AW is better mantra, which does create a false sense of security for both punters and escorts. After all ParisB showed Mumsnetters the weakness of the system.

[squeezebox]

Or how about Overweight, Embittered Has Beens?

Has a certain ring to it...

or,

Censoring, Unbooked, Nitpicking, Twat' S

[vorian]

Has a certain ring to it...

or,

Censoring, Unbooked, Nitpicking, Twat' S

How about "White Knight and Considerations"

I see a new thread here 

[Aspen]

    I have never been asked for my AW user name.

I have, on as far as I can recall at least three occasions when I have phoned a number displayed. I am not a frequent punter, but when I do I favour the ones with a number because I get tired of waiting for a response which can take days sometimes. Because I've been asked repeatedly I assumed it was common for them to do that.

[NIK]

That is a point of view that makes sense but seems to come with experience, many newbie prossies do seem to get sucked into the whole AW is better mantra, which does create a false sense of security for both punters and escorts. After all ParisB showed Mumsnetters the weakness of the system.

Yes this is bollocks. It provides no security whatsoever. Apart from financial security for the owners. 

[NIK]

I have, on as far as I can recall at least three occasions when I have phoned a number displayed. I am not a frequent punter, but when I do I favour the ones with a number because I get tired of waiting for a response which can take days sometimes. Because I've been asked repeatedly I assumed it was common for them to do that.

Well relative to the hundreds of punts I've had I actually haven't used AW advertisers that much. And I don't believe I've ever booked through the AW system.

[Hellraiser]

Spot on! Although it has been for years.
I  just wish they'd stop calling it %%%. 

Should be renamed Fluffynet.

[DJ Fruit Polo]

I'm not twisting your words, or at least not trying to.

You seem to imply that seeing ParisB is just as risky as seeing any other prossie.

That is what I think is nonsense. When she has been shown to try to out punters on mumsnet then you must be, at least, higher risk.

I would say not "just as risky" but, in principle, no more risky - I'm splitting hairs, I know and maybe we should agree to disagree on this point   

Any booking that you make should include an assessment of risk anyway, which in ParisB's case obviously must now include the question of how discreet she really is - and this thread shows that people are already asking that question, whether or not she actually would directly out one of her clients.

It does make you wonder what she did/would have done if a MumsNetter had given her their partner's AW name and she'd recognised it as one of her clients?  I guess it could've happened and that would be a direct outing, as she'd have made a conscious decision to supply that client's details despite knowing him.  Pretty shabby behaviour.
 
In any event, her reputation here is shot.  I wouldn't want to book a lady who'd shown that she had no respect for her clients anyway.

   

[Festisio]

Well relative to the hundreds of punts I've had I actually haven't used AW advertisers that much. And I don't believe I've ever booked through the AW system.

Indeed, you, Smiths, Jimmy and some others have said as much on about a billion separate occasions.  Personally, I am happy to book by whatever means are required and If I adopted such a stubborn stance it would stop me seeing some prossies like these:

External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only
External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only
External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

[vorian]

In any event, her reputation here is shot.  I wouldn't want to book a lady who'd shown that she had no respect for her clients anyway.

 

I just hope most people think like that or where is the disincentive for the next prossie to behave in this way.

[herelonely]

Evening all,
Have read every post on thread,  wow - was on hotlist, not now of course!
Has highlighted to me that I need punting phone,  I do use separate email but it is 'aw user name'at... so will now change.
So many prossies bang on about discretion for them,  and understandably so. So I agree with most here that it seemsvery odd that so few are willing to speak out publically against here - fair play to those that have.
Its a shame that her business will probably not suffer hugely in the long run but so long as this thread sticks on google p1 there's at least a chance

[DJ Fruit Polo]

I just hope most people think like that or where is the disincentive for the next prossie to behave in this way.

As others have posted here earlier, if someone fancies her enough then they'll see her anyway in spite of her behaviour.  That's just the way it is   

I would say not "just as risky" but, in principle, no more risky - I'm splitting hairs, I know and maybe we should agree to disagree on this point   

Yes, I'm going quoting myself here!

In a moment of clarity I've realised that, yes, of course you can infer that she would be more likely to be directly indiscreet because she's already proven herself capable of being indiscreet in other ways.  So, I'm changing my mind on this one.  Where's the facepalm emoticon?

Time for some Horlicks...

[sarahjayneleeds]

You could say you are not a member.

I have never asked a phone client his AW username as it doesn't matter as I take most bookings via phone and prefer to see how they interact with me rather than reading feedback on AW which we all know is total crap as a large amount are too frightened to leave a negative and some of those that do, do it for malicious reasons. 
women who take phone bookings don't have any use for a username

Regardless how rubbish we all think the AW feedback system is we all use it to a certain degree. Dani  you state on your profile :

"Outcalls to your own home will only be to those who have excellent feedback from known escorts and book via the system"

[Dani]

Regardless how rubbish we all think the AW feedback system is we all use it to a certain degree. Dani  you state on your profile :

"Outcalls to your own home will only be to those who have excellent feedback from known escorts and book via the system"

Christ is that still there?  I have not done outcalls for ages so guess it is time to update my profile.  I was sure I had removed that section but thanks will do it now

*edited*  done Thanks for that as my head has been up my arse for past few weeks and really thought I had deleted it all

[vorian]

Regardless how rubbish we all think the AW feedback system is we all use it to a certain degree.

Your quite right, most punters and prossies do use it, as it is the best of a bad bunch, and to be fair an experienced WG or and experienced punter know it's limitations and how to get the best out of it.

However every day on UKP newbie punters post, how about this girl, or what about this one. When a 20 second look can tell to you avoid like the plague. AW does not protect punters in any way. I am assuming it is the same (Of course in a different way) for newbie escorts in some ways it is worse for them as they might feel it does offer some degree of real protection and after all you don't need to take an exam before proclaiming yourself as a prossie.

[Dani]

Your quite right, most punters and prossies do use it, as it is the best of a bad bunch, and to be fair an experienced WG or and experienced punter know it's limitations and how to get the best out of it.

However every day on UKP newbie punters post, how about this girl, or what about this one. When a 20 second look can tell to you avoid like the plague. AW does not protect punters in any way. I am assuming it is the same (Of course in a different way) for newbie escorts in some ways it is worse for them as they might feel it does offer some degree of real protection and after all you don't need to take an exam before proclaiming yourself as a prossie.

It does not offer any protection.  The only good thing I found on AW was when I first started and they had call angel.  You set it for when a booking should end and they would text at that time and if you didn't reply they would send a message to your security partner to say you have not responded.  Not sure if it is still there but is ok for those who don't have a real security set up to start with but still needs for you to have a security contact so easy enough to bypass AW and just do it yourselves

[vorian]

Perhaps if AW owners were more concerned about the users security, which of course they will never be, whilst they have a monopoly. People like ParisB would not be able to teach others how to find out confidential information.

In fact thinking about it, has she broken any of the terms and conditions of AW by doing this, if she has perhaps there would be a case for her account to be banned. I will pop over and delve into the depths of AW T&C.