Thai ladies taking money - Derby

[nomad786]

Just wanted check if I can put a post up about a couple of Thai girls in Derby taking money from punters and not paying them back.
I've had it done to me and I strongly suspect others have been taken advantage off.
Only reason I'm mentioning it is too see if others have been taken advantage and to alert others.

Is that something I can post
I have all the proof via whatsapp messages

[RogerBoner]

Please give us the full information without worrying about it. If the complaint is genuine we all need to know about it. UKP doesn't like it's members being scammed!

[scutty brown]

taking as in stealing?
or borrowing?

[Sureshot]

Just wanted check if I can put a post up about a couple of Thai girls in Derby taking money from punters and not paying them back.
I've had it done to me and I strongly suspect others have been taken advantage off.
Only reason I'm mentioning it is too see if others have been taken advantage and to alert others.

Is that something I can post
I have all the proof via whatsapp messages

Post your full story, if its genuine it will be welcomed and very much permitted

[GingerNuts]

I don't think Thai women understand the concept of paying back money they've "borrowed". At least they pretend not to.

[nomad786]

So there these 2 thai girls in Derby called Lucy and lilly. They offer massage services. To be fair they are very good at that. I remember seeing reviews posts here.
So I got to know them over an 18 month period and developed into friendship and then borrowing money off me.
They always come some sob stories about why they need money. Recently I've read stories about thai ladies and how they try it on farang who visit thailand (courtesy of Pa forum). Looks like these 2 are doing the same tricks here in england aswell. Lucy has certainly been through some difficult events recently.
So back to the money situation. Apart from lending money They are pretty big into gambling and might ask you to setup gambling accounts on your name linked to your bank account which they use. They haven't paid me back and it is looking unlikely they will pay me. We are talking a couple of thousand pounds.
But what concerned me was lilly showed me a book of where she keeps details of other people who have leant her money. Which lead me to believe they might be getting friendly with other customers and asking them for money with no intention of paying them.
So just a warning.

[Steve2]

Gullible or a troll? I wonder which

[nomad786]

Yes gullible. That's true.
But my main concern is are others getting caught. If so should we not make people aware of it.
Like I said earlier I have all the proof on whatsapp if any body wants to see it privately

[HailWood]

OP, thanks for posting this, iMO it has taken courage to admit your gullibility on this forum. You won’t be the first nor the last bloke to be befriended then parted with his cash by a pretty woman. I have heard of this type of con happening elsewhere.
It is possible that another UKP member can corroborate your story if they have been doing this a lot. Regardless, your warning is welcome and will help members not to fall into the same or similar traps.

[fisherofsouls]

Isn't this the entire basis Seeking works on ?

[NervousJ]

Giving an escort\prostitute money is never going to end well. Setting up a gambling account linked to your name and bank account is absolutely ridiculous!!! What were you thinking...

Skint ones earning over £100 an hour are doing something seriously wrong!!!

[RogerBoner]

Please put up a link to the ad, the telephone numbers in case the ad expires and some WhatsApp photos for identification.
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She showed you her ledger, eh? How did she record the client I.d.s? Punter names next to burner phone numbers?

Back home in their village in Isaan every Thai WG has a sick relative with hospital bills to pay, a
Schrodinger's buffalo that is dead or alive, a younger brother's motorbike in need of repair AND a land deal gone wrong so the poor lass is selling herself to honour the family debt and to protect them from the bad guys.

If she really showed you the book of clients she really has no respect for you at all.

Let's have a look at their photos, please.

[Ramrod]

Thats not within the punting parameters.

You and them both agreed with the arrangement and who the hell woukd agree to set up a gambling account for them using your details.

This is a personal issue between you and others who are on their ledger You had been gulible, lesson learnt and move on.

[nomad786]

Guys she gives massages
They have never been a prostitute or an escort. To be fair to them they are dead against offering them services. Which is a bit strange for thais and compared to what they have ie stolen money from my account.( yes I have given them money but in the last instance one of them stole money from my account).
Initially I got to know them via my job and one thing lead to another over a period of time
They are always advertised in there name and never change that (lilly and lucy).
They advertise on viva Street and gum Street. Lucy no longer works as massage therapist. Did not like the job. Got a normally job but that didn't work out due hours being reduced so my guess is she will be back as long as she remains in the uk
Yes I can forward photos. They normally only advertise body photos but they have given me full length photos aswell as naked photos.
I don't think I can spread naked photos against there wishes as there a law that. I  pretty Shaw about that.
The other think is apparently her family thinks one of them is doing an accountancy jobs her (she is qualified accountant from a well off family, didn't like the job, came to England. She ( lilly) belive it or not likes giving massages and is very good at it, always gives 100% when she is well enough
So therefore personally I can easily put body shot photos up, I'm a bit more hesitant on face or naked photos due to law and there family issues.
I'm gullible but not vindictive or a criminal. Hope you understand
I'm not sure why she showed me the book. I didn't ask for it didn't even realise she had it. Only a brief look. She showed it me during our face to face conversation about returning my money. Still don't understand why she showed it.
Let me get this straight, if my money is gone it's gone no big issue for me. But the reason i put the post up was to warn others when I got the hint others might have felt for it aswell.
Guys if you think this post shouldn't be here and isn't warning others by all means delete it. It's nothing to do with my money that's my issue. If it was I would have raised long time ago as I've seen reviews about lily and lucy before.
Once I was reading the things that happen to farang in Thailand via pattaya addict forum the light bulb moment happened. Hope that explains it
Over to you

[scutty brown]

is this them?

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only profiles which seem to fit the names

could be a quagmire though as the phone numbers link to this profile as well
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[nomad786]

Yep definitely them. Well the first three are
The last one I believe is a different girl, never seen her or anything, but haven't there reviews about her. Does she operate from a different property
See what I mean about body shots only.
They must old adverts as believe lucy isn't working any more.

Guys they give good massages so if that's what you want brilliant.
But the warning is about lending money or setting up online gambling accounts ie genting grosvenor Virgin gala. Just stay clear of that

[Stickitin]

I’ve seen Malee a few times for massage and HR.

Lucy looks potentially quite hot, can you confirm?

[nomad786]

 
Haha she is hot and single. Small petite frame. Fake books 
She is looking to marry a local who will sponsor her
You have to move fast as her visa is running out

Aslong as you don't mind being robbed every now and again and willing to help with her gambling

Don't say I'm a troll or unfair to these girls
 

[Thecunninglinguist]

Sorry but l for one don't buy this story. It is far too simple. The OP has not even identified the women involved, just agreed with names Scutty suggested. He has never said because been for a massage or reviewed any of them. Very non committal as to who they are or where. If he has not punted with them, how does he know them? Yes we all know the Thai quest for money before anything although l thought gambling was more a male Chinese trait. I'm sure some would not be against making money however they could but for me there are far too many holes and unlikely things here. Maybe he has been very very gullible and feels the need to hit out?

[GingerNuts]

Gambling is very much a trait of Thai women.

[scutty brown]

Gambling is very much a trait of Thai women.

Agreed, there have been a few in Blackpool who have got into problems.

But the mystery in this thread  is how the OP's English skills have suddenly improved........in the early posts he was spouting next to gibberish, now its quite coherent. Inconsistencies always raise questions

[HailWood]

Please put up a link to the ad, the telephone numbers in case the ad expires and some WhatsApp photos for identification.
Financial domination - Wikipedia External Link/Members Only

She showed you her ledger, eh? How did she record the client I.d.s? Punter names next to burner phone numbers?

Back home in their village in Isaan every Thai WG has a sick relative with hospital bills to pay, a
Schrodinger's buffalo that is dead or alive, a younger brother's motorbike in need of repair AND a land deal gone wrong so the poor lass is selling herself to honour the family debt and to protect them from the bad guys.

If she really showed you the book of clients she really has no respect for you at all.

Let's have a look at their photos, please.

Schrodinger’s buffalo 

[Thecunninglinguist]

Gambling is very much a trait of Thai women.

I stand corrected on that point.

[shiptonlad]

Gingernuts is spot on many Thai women are addicted to gambling. They love the thrill but also mistakenly think it is the way to a quick buck. Many chuck all they earn in that direction. Trust me I know from experience.

[pgpgpgpg]

Let’s be careful not to make this a Thai issue. Some Thai men and women like gambling as do many different cultures. Stories abound of men being conned or taken for a ride by women and of women by men in all cultures.

Personal experience of Thai culture- I have seen good and bad, just as I have here in the UK.

This isn’t a warning about Thai ladies it is a warning to look out for cons in all walks of life.

A reminder that this is a business and whilst friendships can happen suspicion is your best friend.

My humble opinion only in case anyone takes offence.

Cheers

[nomad786]

Guys I named the 2 girls in my second post and what they advertise and where they advertise.
From that information one of the respondents scutty linked 3 ladies, 2 of which are the ones whome I'm referring to.
I believe I have given so many facts that it is difficult to deny this.
I know a lot of information about these to girls, I have only divulged a minor amount

I terms of how I got to know them, as I mentioned earlier through work and asking what they do for living. First few massages I paid for after that I did them favours in return they gave me free massages. Then like I said earlier one thing led to another ie online banking accounts, lending money then stealing money from my account. If I have never used them for massages how do I now lilly gives a very good massage to the point she takes pride in it and enjoys the job. For lucy it's more about income.

If somebody thinks I'm a troll trying to sell these girls, that doesn't make any sense because lucy no longer does massages. As I have mentioned before.
So the question is if I'm not trying highlight a scam / fraud for other members to be aware of, what is the purpose of this post.

I will repeat I have all the proof needed via whatsapp messages. If any of the group administrators are in Derby or some of the more active members im more than welcome to meet up and show the proof. In fact I'll pay for the meal aswell.

Otherwise by all means delete the post

[nomad786]

I'm confused why people don't believe me or think I'm a troll.

Let me ask a very simple question - what would you like to see (which this forum allows and is not against the law). This particularly aimed at people who don't believe me ie thecunninglinguist.

Photos - personal family and friends photos that's not been posted online ( I'm not going to post naked ones)

whatsapp messages relating to opening off  online get gambling accounts, messages asking to borrow money, messages stating how much they owe me, messages about massage appointments.

Bank transactions and related messages.

Telephone and whatsapp numbers

Property address where they have worked from

Real thai names


So the ball is in your court, what prove would you like.

[vulcan22]

Sorry OP, but you seem a bit too keen to provide “proof”. Although you have yet to do so.

You have posted your warning on here (and little else) - thanks for that, I will bear the names in mind if I book a Thai massage in Derby. But you can stop harping on about the proof now, we get the point!

People are suspicious when you appear to have no idea how the site operates (any Admins in Derby?) and your only other post relates to you getting robbed / scammed by Working girls whilst abroad.

Excuse those who mistake your altruism for trolling!

[HailWood]

OP - this is a forum and there will always be those who doubt especially a member who has been on here for over a year then make a first post like this one (I.e. you have not previously earned any forum ‘credibility’.

I ask myself what you have to gain by posting this if it was inaccurate; evaluate the tone, content and consistency of of your posts; look for corroboration.  This is all we have to go on.

FWIW, I tend to believe that you have been duped by these women as you say. However, it is right that memebers debate this point and if you are sincere you should not overly concerned.

[HailWood]

OP - this is a forum and there will always be those who doubt especially a member who has been on here for over a year then make a first post like this one (I.e. you have not previously earned any forum ‘credibility’.

I ask myself what you have to gain by posting this if it was inaccurate; evaluate the tone, content and consistency of of your posts; look for corroboration.  This is all we have to go on.

FWIW, I tend to believe that you have been duped by these women as you say. However, it is right that members debate this point and if you are sincere you should not overly concerned.

[pgpgpgpg]

Sorry OP, but you seem a bit too keen to provide “proof”. Although you have yet to do so.

You have posted your warning on here (and little else) - thanks for that, I will bear the names in mind if I book a Thai massage in Derby. But you can stop harping on about the proof now, we get the point!

People are suspicious when you appear to have no idea how the site operates (any Admins in Derby?) and your only other post relates to you getting robbed / scammed by Working girls whilst abroad.

Excuse those who mistake your altruism for trolling!

Nicely put.

Issue highlighted.
Girls named.
Done.

[l1mpd1ck]

….and your only other post relates to you getting robbed / scammed by Working girls whilst abroad.

Gullible's Travels?

[peguslegus]

The problem could be that you haven't loaned them enough money. They're statistically bound to hit a winning streak at some point, and then might well pay you back with interest. I would strongly consider investing a few more grand in these resourceful gambling enthusiasts.

[badsin]

 

[nomad786]

 
Trust me they have won big. 
But the problem is they never withdraw the winnings 
Instead carry on gambling eventually loosing everything 
Then come to me for more money with a sob story 

[badsin]

This is a punting forum, not an advice website. Personally speaking, if you ain't poking them stay well clear. Simple

[hairymonster]

I have reservations about this story. That said, if it were true.

You need to assume that all that money is lost, quickly tie up any possibility of further loss, swap accounts, passwords to everything.

Then decide if you distance yourself entirely, or seek services to compensate your losses, expecting them to require more cash, but supply longer/further services for that. If you ask them to work it off without any further payment, they will walk away from the dead cash cow.

These girls only work for the cash, irrelevant to race, creed, colour or level of service they offer.

[DALESMAN]

I've known Lily and Lucy for quite a while.Have lent them money on a few occasions but they always paid me back with cash and a free massage as interest. They definitely not scammers in fact both really genuine girls just trying to make a living. Lily is the more seasoned worker and offers a fantastic massage, probably one of the best in Derby. Lucy is pure fun and great eye candy but has had a lot of bad luck follow her around, including punters turning knives on her before robbing her of phones, laptops and cash. Not easy to report to the police when you work in this industry.
They might pay you back in dribs and drabs as and when they get a good working week but just keep in touch with them they definitely genuine and not out there to scam farangs.

[HailWood]

I've known Lily and Lucy for quite a while.Have lent them money on a few occasions but they always paid me back with cash and a free massage as interest. They definitely not scammers in fact both really genuine girls just trying to make a living. Lily is the more seasoned worker and offers a fantastic massage, probably one of the best in Derby. Lucy is pure fun and great eye candy but has had a lot of bad luck follow her around, including punters turning knives on her before robbing her of phones, laptops and cash. Not easy to report to the police when you work in this industry.
They might pay you back in dribs and drabs as and when they get a good working week but just keep in touch with them they definitely genuine and not out there to scam farangs.

What I read from this and the OP’s post is that these two lasses are hot, give good massages and are fun. So book by all means but just don’t lend them money.

[gbyld87]

I cannot imagine a scenario in which I would even consider lending someone with whom I have but a professional relationship money like this.  I just can't understand the motivation or reasoning behind such a decision, and even more the surprise and indignation when it's not promptly paid back...

[NervousJ]

I sometimes feel sorry for these lasses, then realise they are earning £80 per half hour or over £100 an hour..

To be lending money is ridiculous... I don’t know
any  back stories, it’s none of my business.. you pay them, you get a service.

[Stickitin]

I sometimes feel sorry for these lasses, then realise they are earning £80 per half hour or over £100 an hour..

To be lending money is ridiculous... I don’t know
any  back stories, it’s none of my business.. you pay them, you get a service.

The thing is when I phone these types of massage girls I rarely get turned away, even after work when you assume they would be busy. So I think they probably don’t make as much money or have as many customers as is automatically assumed in many cases.

[GingerNuts]

The thing is when I phone these types of massage girls I rarely get turned away, even after work when you assume they would be busy. So I think they probably don’t make as much money or have as many customers as is automatically assumed in many cases.

They may not be massaging 40 hours a week but earning £35-£40 an hour (half the massage fee plus £20) tax free for a massage with HE I'm sure they're doing alright. More if they offer more extras.

Many are also claiming benefits.

[Space Invader]

I have read this thread with disbelief that anyone would be so stupid and gullible that they would consider lending 'girls' money like this, never mind setting up a Gambling account linked to your personal bank details , why oh why ?
Maybe I am just an old fashioned fart, and my fellow members are more sympathetic and understanding on these matters , to me it is so far off the Richter scale that I struggle to understand it .
I would however thank the OP for posting ,if it warns others of the scam ,then its helpful .
Did I mention that my granny in India needs money for her eye operation - please send contributions to ---- !!!!

[HailWood]

I have read this thread with disbelief that anyone would be so stupid and gullible that they would consider lending 'girls' money like this, never mind setting up a Gambling account linked to your personal bank details , why oh why ?
Maybe I am just an old fashioned fart, and my fellow members are more sympathetic and understanding on these matters , to me it is so far off the Richter scale that I struggle to understand it .
I would however thank the OP for posting ,if it warns others of the scam ,then its helpful .
Did I mention that my granny in India needs money for her eye operation - please send contributions to ---- !!!!

Poor granny SI. 

PM me your bank account details and password and I’ll contribute