Alana warning

[Numberone]

I had an appointment scheduled with Alana yesterday morning. I have seen her before and was looking forward to a return visit. For those that have been, I parked on the lane next to her development. There was a chap in a car eyeballing me. Then, as I approached her front door, he called me over. Said that he owns the building, they don't want a brothel there, that he will take pictures of me and my car and put them on Facebook etc. I leaned through his car window and he rang the police to complain that I was trespassing. I thought about carrying on with the appointment but was worried that he might damage my car in that hour
I had driven an hour each way, real pity. But be careful if you intend to visit. He looked quite handy, and we had a fairly robust chat that nearly got out of hand! Probably lucky for me that it didn't!

[goldwing1]

I had an appointment scheduled with Alana yesterday morning. I have seen her before and was looking forward to a return visit. For those that have been, I parked on the lane next to her development. There was a chap in a car eyeballing me. Then, as I approached her front door, he called me over. Said that he owns the building, they don't want a brothel there, that he will take pictures of me and my car and put them on Facebook etc. I leaned through his car window and he rang the police to complain that I was trespassing. I thought about carrying on with the appointment but was worried that he might damage my car in that hour
I had driven an hour each way, real pity. But be careful if you intend to visit. He looked quite handy, and we had a fairly robust chat that nearly got out of hand! Probably lucky for me that it didn't!

I would have took a picture of him and his car and told him to fuck off.
If he has a problem, take it up with whoever owns/rents the flat.

[Numberone]

I didn't take a photo, but did tell him to piss off and laughed at his pettiness.

[CoolTiger]

AFAIR, even if he ended up speaking to the police, they would have told him trespassing is a civil matter and they would not get involved unless any criminal damage, etc was being committed.

Hope someone can correct me if I am wrong.

I would have done what goldwing suggests, take a photo of him and his car, but if he was nasty or if you think it could have got worse, than would have abandoned this idea for fear of of him damaging my mobile/car/myself.

[bigbilly22]

How cocky and confident you want to get with this moron probably depends on how much you have to lose.

If you open about visiting escorts and don’t give a shit if your friends and family know then by all means get shirty and in his face.

If you prefer your little hobby to remain a private matter then the last thing you’d want is to get involved in an altercation with someone like that.

I’d of walked and let Alana know why with an apology.

22

[CoolTiger]

How cocky and confident you want to get with this moron probably depends on how much you have to lose.

If you open about visiting escorts and don’t give a shit if your friends and family know then by all means get shirty and in his face.

If you prefer your little hobby to remain a private matter then the last thing you’d want is to get involved in an altercation with someone like that.

I’d of walked and let Alana know why with an apology.

22

Yes, good point.

On 2 accounts:
She doesn't think you were a TW and blacklists you from seeing her again.

Alana is then aware of the issues about parking near her flat, either she warns punters to park elsewhere, or worse case scenario to stop working from that flat, if the guy was the owner.

[threechilliman]

How cocky and confident you want to get with this moron probably depends on how much you have to lose.

If you open about visiting escorts and don’t give a shit if your friends and family know then by all means get shirty and in his face.

If you prefer your little hobby to remain a private matter then the last thing you’d want is to get involved in an altercation with someone like that.

I’d of walked and let Alana know why with an apology.

22

Same here. I'd have made myself scarce PDQ.

[Ttt333ttt]

Same here. I'd have made myself scarce PDQ.

Same here!

[Doc Holliday]

AFAIR, even if he ended up speaking to the police, they would have told him trespassing is a civil matter and they would not get involved unless any criminal damage, etc was being committed.

Hope someone can correct me if I am wrong.

Its complicated. Trespass Law is complex and mostly a civil matter but in some instances can have a criminal law element. I'm not a lawyer but sadly have first hand knowledge of being on the receiving end.

Laws don't have to be broken though for Police to attend for assistance. Any request involving a trespass situation will be listened to and judged on the individual circumstances and a decision made. It would of course then depend on 'availability' which is a completely separate factor.
Given the scenario here they would be extremely unlikely to attend unless it had escalated into something else?

If the police do attend then they will just reason with the individuals concerned. If the person refuses to move on and no other laws are broken in the process then they will just leave.

As an aside if you found yourself in such a situation and the police asked you for your name etc you can simply refuse.

Anyway it is a good warning and clearly Alana has a significant problem here with her landlord?

[Johnj6972]

Which Alana are we talking about?

[Doc Holliday]

Which Alana are we talking about?

Good point I had assumed it was this one? External Link/Members Only

[Johnj6972]

I did too at least initially but the post said "Flat" and also mentions "next to her development" but she operates from a House style flat that is part of a Victorian type property which I would not refer to as a development. Which is why I asked the question.

[Johnj6972]

Numberone can you confirm which Alana you are referring to?

[Doc Holliday]

There is also a big assumption this guy is actually is what he says he is (owner/Landlord) and not a disgruntled or obsessed punter? Its not normally how I would expect a savvy landlord to behave. If they had a problem with a tenant it's bordering on harassment which can affect any eviction.

Much to clear up?

[Stevie787878]

There is also a big assumption this guy is actually is what he says he is (owner/Landlord) and not a disgruntled or obsessed punter? Its not normally how I would expect a savvy landlord to behave. If they had a problem with a tenant it's bordering on harassment which can affect any eviction.

Much to clear up?

Pretty sure this won’t be the landlord, I think it’s a disgruntled neighbour. A Landlord would seek to take action for breach of the terms of the Lease or tenancy agreement I’d guess, which would probably have a clause about nuisance behaviour or anything illegal or immoral

[Doc Holliday]

Pretty sure this won’t be the landlord, I think it’s a disgruntled neighbour. A Landlord would seek to take action for breach of the terms of the Lease or tenancy agreement I’d guess, which would probably have a clause about nuisance behaviour or anything illegal or immoral

I would agree,although if she is working alone (ie no one else works from the premises) she is working 'legally' but could still be in breach of terms of a residential lease as she is running a business?

Evicting someone can also be a nightmare mind you if tenant not in arrears, so could still be a landlord who is trying an alternative approach to get her to quit?

All speculation and only the SP will know?

[Stevie787878]

I would agree,although if she is working alone (ie no one else works from the premises) she is working 'legally' but could still be in breach of terms of a residential lease as she is running a business?

Evicting someone can also be a nightmare mind you if tenant not in arrears, so could still be a landlord who is trying an alternative approach to get her to quit?

All speculation and only the SP will know?

I’m making an educated guess based on the fact Alana has previously had issues when I’ve visited her there with nosey neighbour and it sounds like it has reached the point where he has got fed up. But I agree it sounds like a matter for her landlord, sounds like finding a new place to rent will be the way forward!

[bigbilly22]

Either way it sounds like there’s a nutter hanging around outside her place. Puts me off to be honest.

[threechilliman]

I’m making an educated guess based on the fact Alana has previously had issues when I’ve visited her there with nosey neighbour and it sounds like it has reached the point where he has got fed up. But I agree it sounds like a matter for her landlord, sounds like finding a new place to rent will be the way forward!

I bumped into a neighbour last time I was there. Was tempted to ask her if she fancied a threesome....

[Tonyg]

Its not the most discreet location is it? I was pointed in the right direction by the postman when I went to the crimbo party, you dont see that in ‘Greendale’.

coming back to the threat of posting photos on Facebook, whilst I agree with most and would have just scattered myself, that very threat in itself breaks a number of criminal laws, and indeed currently, with cyber law bring very much an aspect of the law which is developing rapidly is one the police will be keen to act on, but like the others say, it depends on how open you are/ how much you want to keep your head down.

[Numberone]

Hi. It was Alana Amour indeed.

I had no problem with the situation at one level, but he had seen me get out of my car and I was worried that if I had gone in the flat / house that he would have let my tyres down etc.

I rang Alana and told her the situation. She said that she hadn't had a problem in her 3 years there, but i think  knew who it was when I described him.

I didn't apologise Perse. I kind of thought that even though there was no fault on her part, that she could have been more sympathetic. I suggested an outcall to mine straight away but she said that was too far (45 minutes), which I understand. But I had a 2 hour round trip and used petrol etc. So it might have been good for her as a gesture of goodwill to organise a return visit when the dust had settled and to reflect the hassle in a reduced price. But maybe I am thinking as I would act in business.

He looked a bit handy and was really quite aggressive and pretty determined to cause a scene. I think I read on here that she did a gang bang with Aimy and Zoe, so if it was there maybe there was a lot of cars etc. And they have had enough

[Moby Dick]

Yes there was a lot of cars parked nose to tail on Saturday, but no objections from what I saw.
I normally park a few streets away to avoid such compromising situations. Learnt that from WFB days when the residents would leave notes not to use the parlour on your car.

[Gordon Bennett]

This thread seems to be very indicative of the benefit of parking a few hundred yards away. I have to confess to normally parking as close to their gaff as I reasonably can........ reckon I'll look to park a street or two away now from now on. Better safe than sorry and bumping into a nutter.

[Home Alone]

Yes there was a lot of cars parked nose to tail on Saturday, but no objections from what I saw.
I normally park a few streets away to avoid such compromising situations. Learnt that from WFB days when the residents would leave notes not to use the parlour on your car.

I've never seen Alana  - kinda got her on the bucket list for my last-ever Cialis tablet; going out, so to speak, with a big bang. That's the, erm, theory,  anyway!

But having read her Reviews, I don't live that far away from where I think her place is. If I'm right, it's across the road from a small shopping precinct with 2 restaurants: 1 Indian; 1 Italian; and one of those mini-Tescos. There's a discreet carpark on there which was, 15 years ago - when the OH and I lived even closer to this precinct - free. Having passed it from time to time since the OH pissed off, I think it's still free.

Parking there might be a solution for any who, like me, wouldn't want to get into confrontation with Alana's neighbours/police.

[cash2spare]

I would have thought Alana would have "friends" who could have a discreet word with this nosey cunt and tell him to piss off or knock him and his teeth out.

[vocococo]

Always good to try and park it in a more public place or even a paid car park if you're worried about this sort of thing...

My first punt I took the bus instead and left my pockets bare aside from the cash! Much less paranoid now after doing a few now though...

[Tecova]

I've never seen Alana  - kinda got her on the bucket list for my last-ever Cialis tablet; going out, so to speak, with a big bang. That's the, erm, theory,  anyway!

But having read her Reviews, I don't live that far away from where I think her place is. If I'm right, it's across the road from a small shopping precinct with 2 restaurants: 1 Indian; 1 Italian; and one of those mini-Tescos. There's a discreet carpark on there which was, 15 years ago - when the OH and I lived even closer to this precinct - free. Having passed it from time to time since the OH pissed off, I think it's still free.

Parking there might be a solution for any who, like me, wouldn't want to get into confrontation with Alana's neighbours/police.

I've just googled where you think Alana is and there is a primary school nearby those shops.  Perhaps that could be getting the neighbours backs up too if they have pieced two and two together.

[King Kenny]

You’ve got it wrong about her location. Not saying any more about that given the circumstances of this thread. Hope she sorts things out soon (and after the gang bang cleans the carpet). Top punt.

[robsmith149]

But having read her Reviews, I don't live that far away from where I think her place is. If I'm right, it's across the road from a small shopping precinct with 2 restaurants: 1 Indian; 1 Italian; and one of those mini-Tescos. There's a discreet carpark on there which was, 15 years ago - when the OH and I lived even closer to this precinct - free. Having passed it from time to time since the OH pissed off, I think it's still free.

Nowhere near anything like that.

[scutty brown]

I would agree,although if she is working alone (ie no one else works from the premises) she is working 'legally' but could still be in breach of terms of a residential lease as she is running a business?

Evicting someone can also be a nightmare mind you if tenant not in arrears, so could still be a landlord who is trying an alternative approach to get her to quit?

All speculation and only the SP will know?

Not so...............its illegal to use a rented building for prostitution irrespective of numbers involved. Less well known part of the legislation.
If she's renting then its illegal

[Home Alone]

Thanks to King Kenny & robsmith; obviously I'll have to travel further for my last-ever punt than I thought I would!!

Sorry, lads; just trying to help.

[scutty brown]

The accusations of trespass are bollocks: there will be a legal right of access to the flat, and no-one can take that away.
This sound like an extortion attempt by a local bunch of crims: drive the girl's customers away and force her to pay to stop.

Best defence is to play them at their own game: photograph the car and the crook and publish the photos online, copies to the local newspaper and police.
Blackmail, extortion, obstruction of a public highway......numerous charges available

[Doc Holliday]

Not so...............its illegal to use a rented building for prostitution irrespective of numbers involved. Less well known part of the legislation.
If she's renting then its illegal

Apologies I should have clarified.

She isn't doing anything illegal under criminal prostitution laws if she is working alone from a rented flat (although I now realise that isn't the case and others are using it so technically it constitutes a brothel)

The Landlord is potentially in breach of the law as his premises are being used for prostitution and he is gaining from it even if only one person were using it. I say potentially because convictions are very rare.

Of course there are the terms of the lease or rental agreement which is a separate civil law area.

[robsmith149]

Why do people keep saying flat when it's a house? also she may own it not rent it though unlikely.

[Stevie787878]

It’s a rented private house and it’s a neighbour who is causing the trouble because he has an issue living next door to a property that is being used for incalls, that’s all there is to it. His recourse is to the Landlord who can then decide what action they believe they have the right to take I suppose. The bigger issue for Alana will be how off putting it is for clients who are worried about any confrontation with the guy or the fallout from him attempting to publicise them on social media, regardless of the rights and wrongs of that type of action it’s still not an attractive proposition for your average punter

[chrishornx]

It’s a rented private house and it’s a neighbour who is causing the trouble because he has an issue living next door to a property that is being used for incalls, that’s all there is to it. His recourse is to the Landlord who can then decide what action they believe they have the right to take I suppose. The bigger issue for Alana will be how off putting it is for clients who are worried about any confrontation with the guy or the fallout from him attempting to publicise them on social media, regardless of the rights and wrongs of that type of action it’s still not an attractive proposition for your average punter

agree with all that he is clearly not the landlord just an agitated twat that lives nearby but certainly if left to fester this could become an issue for Alana and punters

would be interesting to see if she comes on here with an update. If the Landlord is aware of the issue he risks trouble if the twat reports him and Alana could lose trade from nervous punters so hope she gets it sorted out

[Lady Lover]

I am surprised this is not more common than reported. I would imagine WG's have to change rented private incall locations often to avoid raising suspicion.

If it is the same property Alana is using when I saw her about 4 years ago, no wonder locals are pissed off with a steady flow of blokes appearing everyday. I guess none of us would be happy if a WG was operating next door to us? 

[Blackpool Rock]

agree with all that he is clearly not the landlord just an agitated twat that lives nearby but certainly if left to fester this could become an issue for Alana and punters

would be interesting to see if she comes on here with an update. If the Landlord is aware of the issue he risks trouble if the twat reports him and Alana could lose trade from nervous punters so hope she gets it sorted out

She used to be on here but managed to get herself banned around 6-12 months ago

[magpie252]

She used to be on here but managed to get herself banned around 6-12 months ago

Otherwise known as 'Carpet Gate'

She's still active on UKE, but this isn't being discussed over there.

Hope she gets this sorted out as shes a top quality punt, I attended one of her GB a few weeks back, she happily admits she'd been drinking before the blowup & probably over reacted, puts that one down to experience. She also said that all of her neighbors know what she does & fully support her, perhaps the influx of cars on a Saturday afternoon has ruffled somebodies feathers.

[Tonyg]

Otherwise known as 'Carpet Gate'

She's still active on UKE, but this isn't being discussed over there.

Hope she gets this sorted out as shes a top quality punt, I attended one of her GB a few weeks back, she happily admits she'd been drinking before the blowup & probably over reacted, puts that one down to experience. She also said that all of her neighbors know what she does & fully support her, perhaps the influx of cars on a Saturday afternoon has ruffled somebodies feathers.

maybe there is a new neighbour whos got a wife that doesn’t trust him and is making his life hell, thats happened before!

[parker]

I had an appointment scheduled with Alana yesterday morning. I have seen her before and was looking forward to a return visit. For those that have been, I parked on the lane next to her development. There was a chap in a car eyeballing me. Then, as I approached her front door, he called me over. Said that he owns the building, they don't want a brothel there, that he will take pictures of me and my car and put them on Facebook etc. I leaned through his car window and he rang the police to complain that I was trespassing. I thought about carrying on with the appointment but was worried that he might damage my car in that hour
I had driven an hour each way, real pity. But be careful if you intend to visit. He looked quite handy, and we had a fairly robust chat that nearly got out of hand! Probably lucky for me that it didn't!

How would this guy in the car know where you were going, or have i missed something in what has been written ?

[Moby Dick]

How would this guy in the car know where you were going, or have i missed something in what has been written ?

Without giving anything about her location away, if you had visited her you would know why.

[chrishornx]

How would this guy in the car know where you were going, or have i missed something in what has been written ?

suggest you avoid daft questions and try contributing with some reviews

[milkman10]

How would this guy in the car know where you were going, or have i missed something in what has been written ?

I think we are the one missing something like your reviews you arsehole 

[scutty brown]

I would agree,although if she is working alone (ie no one else works from the premises) she is working 'legally' but could still be in breach of terms of a residential lease as she is running a business?

Evicting someone can also be a nightmare mind you if tenant not in arrears, so could still be a landlord who is trying an alternative approach to get her to quit?

All speculation and only the SP will know?

If she is leasing or renting the place, then she's acting illegally.
Little-known piece of legislation, still in force:

Sexual Offences Act 1956

"36 Tenant permitting premises to be used for prostitution.

It is an offence for the tenant or occupier of any premises knowingly to permit the whole or part of the premises to be used for the purposes of habitual prostitution. (whether any prostitute involved is male or female)]"

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[Doc Holliday]

If she is leasing or renting the place, then she's acting illegally.
Little-known piece of legislation, still in force:

Sexual Offences Act 1956

"36 Tenant permitting premises to be used for prostitution.

It is an offence for the tenant or occupier of any premises knowingly to permit the whole or part of the premises to be used for the purposes of habitual prostitution. (whether any prostitute involved is male or female)]"

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Yes of course, section 36 .... I stand corrected. I had forgotten about that still being Law.

No idea if its ever been prosecuted, but none the less you are correct it is still illegal.

I remember someone saying years ago that whilst prostitution in the UK is legal so many other activities associated with it are likely to be illegal.

[george r]

After reading about how many men arrived for the gang bang I don't think we have heard the last of this...

[scutty brown]

Yes of course, section 36 .... I stand corrected. I had forgotten about that still being Law.

No idea if its ever been prosecuted, but none the less you are correct it is still illegal.

I remember someone saying years ago that whilst prostitution in the UK is legal so many other activities associated with it are likely to be illegal.

Would be interesting to know if it has ever been used........from discussions I've had I get the impression its totally overlooked. Of course the killer touch is that money doesn't have to change hands for habitual prostitution to have occurred..........just regular casual sex. You could use it against almost any modern single woman under 40

[Doc Holliday]

Would be interesting to know if it has ever been used........from discussions I've had I get the impression its totally overlooked. Of course the killer touch is that money doesn't have to change hands for habitual prostitution to have occurred..........just regular casual sex. You could use it against almost any modern single woman under 40

Yes it would be interesting to know, but I've not been able to find out with a quick search of t'internet, although, like you, I've never anecdotally come across a case. In fact most of the organisations offering advice to sex workers seem to just ignore it and say as long as you are working alone you are fine?

This FOI request would suggest prosecutions brought against landlords letting premises is pretty rare, so I would imagine Section 36 is even less so .... certainly in recent times?
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Yes the definition of a brothel is also suitably vague and dates back nearly 90 years and as you say exchange of money is not technically required.

“a place where people of opposite sexes are allowed to resort for illicit intercourse, whether…common prostitutes or not”:Winter v Woolfe [1931] KB 549.

Then again what constitutes habitual prostitution? Daily, weekly, monthly?

Suitably vague to allow the lawyers to argue and earn a crust. English Law don't you just love it 

[freeze44]

Her profile now showing that changed location during day time.