Does punting make you [more] cynical?

[Rochdull lad]

I've been thinking about this for some time now.  I know I'm from the fluffier end of the punting spectrum; but I'm finding that my punting experiences are making me more cynical. 

Quite apart from the"Cancellation at last minute from the WG" thread, I've had an experience recently where one of my Regulars has re-scheduled one of our meetings by a week. 

"No problem about that", you may think; but I KNOW the story she's spun me as to why she's put back by a week the day we'd previously arranged to meet is a load of bollocks. ["My son's on half-term from school"; oh, no; he isn't - I didn't believe you, so I checked your local Council's Education Department web pages and found that he'll be on half-term on the date that you've rearranged our meeting to!!]  I mean; if you're going to re-schedule, tell me the truth.  FFS, I'm one of your Regulars; I'll understand!

Then last Saturday, I was on my way home on the bus from a football game and there were a couple on the same bus where the age difference between him [a bit younger than me; mid/late 50s] and her [definitely nowehere near that old!] was exaggerated by their behaviour on the bus and by the loud way she was talking.  Immediately I began to wonder if she was his Escort, where they were going, etc., etc.

Finally, I was on AW today, looking to book a WG in the town I'm visiting this weekend.  Although she's got feedback less than 2 days old, she apparently hasn't logged onto AW for over a fortnight and she hasn't responded to the Booking I sent her this morning.

I know I'd never have thought like this before I began to punt; and I'm sure some of you [many of you?] will probably think, "Why ever not?"  However, I just wonder if others of you have punting experiences which have affected the way you think now, compared with how you thought before you began punting?

[SirFrank]

I'm sure everyone on here who has punted regularly for some time have had the same experience. I've pretty much heard every excuse under the sun. Can't make an appointment, last minute cancellations, no shows etc. I've seen it all. I always treat girls with the utmost respect but I do expect the same back and I hate being deliberately fucked around. I accept shit happens but when you think they are taking the piss it leaves a nasty taste.

[smiths]

I've been thinking about this for some time now.  I know I'm from the fluffier end of the punting spectrum; but I'm finding that my punting experiences are making me more cynical. 

Quite apart from the"Cancellation at last minute from the WG" thread, I've had an experience recently where one of my Regulars has re-scheduled one of our meetings by a week. 

"No problem about that", you may think; but I KNOW the story she's spun me as to why she's put back by a week the day we'd previously arranged to meet is a load of bollocks. ["My son's on half-term from school"; oh, no; he isn't - I didn't believe you, so I checked your local Council's Education Department web pages and found that he'll be on half-term on the date that you've rearranged our meeting to!!]  I mean; if you're going to re-schedule, tell me the truth.  FFS, I'm one of your Regulars; I'll understand!

Then last Saturday, I was on my way home on the bus from a football game and there were a couple on the same bus where the age difference between him [a bit younger than me; mid/late 50s] and her [definitely nowehere near that old!] was exaggerated by their behaviour on the bus and by the loud way she was talking.  Immediately I began to wonder if she was his Escort, where they were going, etc., etc.

Finally, I was on AW today, looking to book a WG in the town I'm visiting this weekend.  Although she's got feedback less than 2 days old, she apparently hasn't logged onto AW for over a fortnight and she hasn't responded to the Booking I sent her this morning.

I know I'd never have thought like this before I began to punt; and I'm sure some of you [many of you?] will probably think, "Why ever not?"  However, I just wonder if others of you have punting experiences which have affected the way you think now, compared with how you thought before you began punting?

It can do when a SP takes me for a complete plank. However, i give all WGs a clean slate and dont transfer on to them my bad experiences from other WGs.

[Tjkooker]

Yes.
I used to be a nervous punter, then went all fluffy for a while till I got fucked over one too many times. Hour punts that lasted half hour. Overnights that were a waste of time. Services that didn't exist. Bait and Switch. Airbrushed photos.
It's the bad providers that cause guys to be like this. If you value your punting budget you have to be a cynic.

[DaveMugabe]

Several times I had the excuse that phone was being repaired.  I mean c'mon how can this happen to 5 different prossies?    They dont work or provide a service.  They just fuck for money and when they have the amount they need for that week, or get a more lucrative offer, they will drop your booking.  That is why they are not WG's or SP's.  They are prostitutes, pure and simple.

[SammyT]

However Cynical you may think it makes you I am quite sure your experience is nothing compared to what the WG has to put up with - the time wasters, the no-shows, the inconsiderate,  the demanding arseholes, the disrespectful, the liars and fantasists, the religious moralists, the freeloaders etc etc...

The ones who remain cheerful, sane and professional deserve a whole row of medals imho

[Tjkooker]

However Cynical you may think it makes you I am quite sure your experience is nothing compared to what the WG has to put up with - the time wasters, the no-shows, the inconsiderate,  the demanding arseholes, the disrespectful, the liars and fantasists, the religious moralists, the freeloaders etc etc...

The ones who remain cheerful, sane and professional deserve a whole row of medals imho

I thought this was a punters website. I don't give a flying fuck about the prossies when discussing punter related questions.

[Pauluk1]

However Cynical you may think it makes you I am quite sure your experience is nothing compared to what the WG has to put up with - the time wasters, the no-shows, the inconsiderate,  the demanding arseholes, the disrespectful, the liars and fantasists, the religious moralists, the freeloaders etc etc...

The ones who remain cheerful, sane and professional deserve a whole row of medals imho

Medals not needed at the hourly rate they charge.
Most of us put up with a lot of shit at work for a fraction of the price.

[jimbobwood]

Yes.
I used to be a nervous punter, then went all fluffy for a while till I got fucked over one too many times. Hour punts that lasted half hour. Overnights that were a waste of time. Services that didn't exist. Bait and Switch. Airbrushed photos.
It's the bad providers that cause guys to be like this. If you value your punting budget you have to be a cynic.

Me too! I'm getting very cynical dealing with these prossies. I can sense when they are time wasting. When the prossie is fully dressed still on the bed kissing me, ffs take your clothes off and stop wasting time. I feel like I need to explain everything about the services I want and there is always something they won't allow me to do or I forgotten to mention something. It's exhausting, they don't like 69er, fingering, foot fetish, licking their bum, don't suck too hard on the clit and nipples so on and so on. Most prossies want to have their cake and eat it! They want the money and they only want to do what they want to do. There are things that I hate about my job, but still do it because it's part of my job. The attitude of these prossies fucking stink! I'm getting tired of trying to find new gems and should try to stick to tried and tested prossies.

There are too many negative emotions with punting and it just takes one negative thing to ruin a punt. Platinum Cindy didn't say no or complained about anything I wanted and I didn't need to tell her any detailed instructions, she just did it with passion and introduce me to new pleasures.

With new punts, I'm always on attack mood or thinking this will not go according to plan. You want to relax and forget about your worries during the punt. It's starting to become draining. Just stick to Sunday/day off morning punts with tried and tested prossies.

[Samson89]

Quite apart from the"Cancellation at last minute from the WG" thread, I've had an experience recently where one of my Regulars has re-scheduled one of our meetings by a week. 

"No problem about that", you may think; but I KNOW the story she's spun me as to why she's put back by a week the day we'd previously arranged to meet is a load of bollocks. ["My son's on half-term from school"; oh, no; he isn't - I didn't believe you, so I checked your local Council's Education Department web pages and found that he'll be on half-term on the date that you've rearranged our meeting to!!]  I mean; if you're going to re-schedule, tell me the truth.  FFS, I'm one of your Regulars; I'll understand!

Weirdo. You are a guy she is fucking for money she doesnt owe you an explanation and you dont need to be stalking her. No wonder she blagged you I wouldn't trust you either.

[SammyT]

Crikey you guys need to spread a little joy and fairy dust around you know! It is quite normal in the wide world to approach other people with cheerfulness, respect, and consideration and things. Just because you are paying money and it's a woman and a prostitute it doesn't mean you aren't dealing with a fellow human. You need to create some good karma and treat people how you would like to be treated. No wonder you get a crap and surly service if you go in with that sort of attitude.

[Samson89]

I do feel sorry for wgs with the weirdos they have to put up with

[Ali Katt]

I do feel sorry for wgs with the weirdos they have to put up with

Samson you really are horrible Rochdull is a respected member and punter. You are a cunt. After reading some of your posts you've got a lot of growing up to do.

[SammyT]

I do feel sorry for wgs with the weirdos they have to put up with

Hopefully the rest of the punting world is nothing like the blokes who post here, or the wgs would all be going back to EE and Brazil en masse, just leaving a few hard bitten old English nags still on the game.

[sarahjayneleeds]

Weirdo. You are a guy she is fucking for money she doesnt owe you an explanation and you dont need to be stalking her. No wonder she blagged you I wouldn't trust you either.

How is checking that she is telling the truth stalking her? I know the full story on the OP's original post and No I am not the WG in question.

The booking he is talking about was booked well in advance and she accepted it. Surely any WG with children at school would block out the school holidays in their diary if they are unable to take appointments then? She is the one at fault all he has done was checked the school holiday calender and found out she was lying hardly a weirdo.

[Pauluk1]

Hopefully the rest of the punting world is nothing like the blokes who post here, or the wgs would all be going back to EE and Brazil en masse, just leaving a few hard bitten old English nags still on the game.

Well why don't you join them and fuck off as well.  It's clear that this forum isn't for you.

[vorian]

Hopefully the rest of the punting world is nothing like the blokes who post here, or the wgs would all be going back to EE and Brazil en masse, just leaving a few hard bitten old English nags still on the game.

The good WG on the whole respect punters who are members here,  real punters understand the rules and how the game is played. It is the fluffy white knights who cause confusion and blur the boundaries that cause more grief on the whole for the good WG's. The bad ones deserve our scorn and should not be excused bad behaviour, because of all the awful things they have to put up with.  They are bad so screw them,  I don't waste energy on them,  far better to praise the few good WGs who always make the effort and want to do the right thing by the punter.

[Roland D Hay]

I've been thinking about this for some time now.  I know I'm from the fluffier end of the punting spectrum; but I'm finding that my punting experiences are making me more cynical. 

Quite apart from the"Cancellation at last minute from the WG" thread, I've had an experience recently where one of my Regulars has re-scheduled one of our meetings by a week. 

"No problem about that", you may think; but I KNOW the story she's spun me as to why she's put back by a week the day we'd previously arranged to meet is a load of bollocks. ["My son's on half-term from school"; oh, no; he isn't - I didn't believe you, so I checked your local Council's Education Department web pages and found that he'll be on half-term on the date that you've rearranged our meeting to!!]  I mean; if you're going to re-schedule, tell me the truth.  FFS, I'm one of your Regulars; I'll understand!

Then last Saturday, I was on my way home on the bus from a football game and there were a couple on the same bus where the age difference between him [a bit younger than me; mid/late 50s] and her [definitely nowehere near that old!] was exaggerated by their behaviour on the bus and by the loud way she was talking.  Immediately I began to wonder if she was his Escort, where they were going, etc., etc.

Finally, I was on AW today, looking to book a WG in the town I'm visiting this weekend.  Although she's got feedback less than 2 days old, she apparently hasn't logged onto AW for over a fortnight and she hasn't responded to the Booking I sent her this morning.

I know I'd never have thought like this before I began to punt; and I'm sure some of you [many of you?] will probably think, "Why ever not?"  However, I just wonder if others of you have punting experiences which have affected the way you think now, compared with how you thought before you began punting?

Wouldn't be another Olivia Poppy yarn would it? I'm sure she spun me something similar a while back. This is what I don't get, why lie. The vast majority of us are reasonable people, especially when you're a regular you tend to be even more understanding. There is nothing worse than being bull shitted, it adds insult to injury.

[circusbizarre]

yep it has made me more cynical and mentally harder oh well

[the pussy man]

i reckon the more cynical you become the less you will enjoy punting.

if you believe all WGs are out to rip you off then this is what you'll get

i am greatful for all the WGs I meet and enjoy whatever we do together.  it is a rare thing that i have a bad punt, and when I do i don't let myself dwell on it.  if you treat the girls with respect they pay you back big time.

IMHO of course 

[DaveMugabe]

However Cynical you may think it makes you I am quite sure your experience is nothing compared to what the WG has to put up with - the time wasters, the no-shows, the inconsiderate,  the demanding arseholes, the disrespectful, the liars and fantasists, the religious moralists, the freeloaders etc etc...

The ones who remain cheerful, sane and professional deserve a whole row of medals imho

I put up with hell of a lot of crap in my job but dont make anything like £100 per hour.  I also have to remain cheerful, sane and professionals in the face of stupid twaty customers.  So why do you feel prossies deserve better treatment than almost everyone else in a  job?

[DaveMugabe]

Crikey you guys need to spread a little joy and fairy dust around you know! It is quite normal in the wide world to approach other people with cheerfulness, respect, and consideration and things. Just because you are paying money and it's a woman and a prostitute it doesn't mean you aren't dealing with a fellow human. You need to create some good karma and treat people how you would like to be treated. No wonder you get a crap and surly service if you go in with that sort of attitude.

The same cheerfulnes, respect and consideration the RL got when the prossie lied to him?  Is that what you mean? 
Is that the good Karma she created?

Are you a prossie?

Is this shiel trolling between you two?

[the pussy man]

Crikey you guys need to spread a little joy and fairy dust around you know! It is quite normal in the wide world to approach other people with cheerfulness, respect, and consideration and things. Just because you are paying money and it's a woman and a prostitute it doesn't mean you aren't dealing with a fellow human. You need to create some good karma and treat people how you would like to be treated. No wonder you get a crap and surly service if you go in with that sort of attitude.

+1

[vorian]

I put up with hell of a lot of crap in my job but dont make anything like £100 per hour.  I also have to remain cheerful, sane and professionals in the face of stupid twaty customers.  So why do you feel prossies deserve better treatment than almost everyone else in a  job?

They don't if I get a bad service in Tescos,  I complain and tell people why should a WG be any different.  I treat everyone with respect but if I get a poor service a hard job, rude customers or a bad day is no excuse. I don't put up with that with my staff and neither does my boss. Good prossies understand this and the bad ones don't care.

[Daffodil]

However Cynical you may think it makes you I am quite sure your experience is nothing compared to what the WG has to put up with - the time wasters, the no-shows, the inconsiderate,  the demanding arseholes, the disrespectful, the liars and fantasists, the religious moralists, the freeloaders etc etc...

The ones who remain cheerful, sane and professional deserve a whole row of medals imho

This is not the forum for you and I'm sure it won't be long till you are shown the door 

Yes, there are downsides to being a prossie, but they are well renumerated for their 'troubles'.

A fucking medal? You're deluded 

[vorian]

This is not the forum for you and I'm sure it won't be long till you are shown the door 

Yes, there are downsides to being a prossie, but they are well renumerated for their 'troubles'.

A fucking medal? You're deluded 

Quite right, being a decent punters is one thing but deluding yourself that a WG is doing you a favour is just setting yourself up for a fall. That is a prossynet attitude and not a serious punters thought process imho.

[DaveMugabe]

Crikey you guys need to spread a little joy and fairy dust around you know! It is quite normal in the wide world to approach other people with cheerfulness, respect, and consideration and things. Just because you are paying money and it's a woman and a prostitute it doesn't mean you aren't dealing with a fellow human. You need to create some good karma and treat people how you would like to be treated. No wonder you get a crap and surly service if you go in with that sort of attitude.

RL posted that this stupid prossie cancelled at the last minute and lied as to the reason why. There is no indication by anyone that he treated  her badly in any way shape or form.  I have seen other postings by RL, in fact he treats prossies in a very decent and gentlemanly way from what I have read. Why are you making the assumption that he treated her badly?

On the contrary the Prossie treated him badly. Making appointments and cancelling at the last minute and lying?  Because thats the way she treated RL so thats the way she would like to be treated? Is this the way we should be treating all prossies?  Is that what youre saying?

[Roland D Hay]

if you treat the girls with respect they pay you back big time.

What a load of shit. You intimate that where things go wrong it is always the punters fault for not treating the girl respectfully. Do you even recognise that there are bad WG's and scammers out there or do you think your respectful ways would overcome even these?

[Madone1]

WG's might have to put up with some shit but no more then the rest of us but the difference is most of us don't get paid 120 an hour plus if these girls did a 37.5 hour standard week they would earn about 230000 a year so as for giving them a medal you can whistle.

I treat everyone with respect right up to the point they do no deserve it.

[akauya]

Weirdo. You are a guy she is fucking for money she doesnt owe you an explanation and you dont need to be stalking her. No wonder she blagged you I wouldn't trust you either.

I think you are the weirdo. RL is one of the most respected and sensible posters here and you have the cheek to call him weirdo. I would read the Op properly before you spout nonsense.

[akauya]

I put up with hell of a lot of crap in my job but dont make anything like £100 per hour.  I also have to remain cheerful, sane and professionals in the face of stupid twaty customers.  So why do you feel prossies deserve better treatment than almost everyone else in a  job?

What he said.... if only I got paid £100+ an hour I'd put up with my cunt of a boss and annoying clients with gusto... and we have to put up with it 9 to 5 (or more)  no breaks in between... lunchtime? At my fucking desk most of the time....

[Ali Katt]

Putting money aside for a second, if a prossie advertises OWO, CIM and has tooth ache and refuses to, doesn't that show contempt? What about if the girl just lies there like an old rucksack and refuses to kiss because she has a boyfriend, despite advertising it. The punter is idiomatically being taken for a ride. Yet, we are led to believe if we show respect, which from the reports I have read every member on here seems to or if we smile these lies disappear along with our money. Absolute bullshit. It's called a trick for a reason.

[Persie]

Hopefully the rest of the punting world is nothing like the blokes who post here, or the wgs would all be going back to EE and Brazil en masse, just leaving a few hard bitten old English nags still on the game.

The point being made is that WGs are a contributor to some of the negative perceptions / attitudes of punters.

WGs  make a lot more money than what their alternative profession would be and even more if you take into account the fact that most income is not taxed.

Punters expect honesty about what they will or won't do and for the service to be delivered to a good standard.

If you read a lot of the negative reviews, you will see these are most of the issues that punters complain about

[SammyT]

RL posted that this stupid prossie cancelled at the last minute and lied as to the reason why. There is no indication by anyone that he treated  her badly in any way shape or form.  I have seen other postings by RL, in fact he treats prossies in a very decent and gentlemanly way from what I have read. Why are you making the assumption that he treated her badly?

On the contrary the Prossie treated him badly. Making appointments and cancelling at the last minute and lying?  Because thats the way she treated RL so thats the way she would like to be treated? Is this the way we should be treating all prossies?  Is that what youre saying?

I didn't intend to make any comment at all about the original post (after my first). In fact I don't even understand what he is on about. He didn't say last minute, just that he had an appointment and she had to cancel and made an excuse. What of it?

And lying? FFS unless you are totally naive you will know that in the room with a girl even the most innocent and normal conversation like "do you live round here?" or "are you married?" doesn't follow the normal rules of honesty and openess . Why on earth would anyone be distressed about being given an excuse which wasn't verifiably true? She was just doing the decent thing and cancelling in advance.

[Strawberry]

RL posted that this stupid prossie cancelled at the last minute and lied as to the reason why. There is no indication by anyone that he treated  her badly in any way shape or form.  I have seen other postings by RL, in fact he treats prossies in a very decent and gentlemanly way from what I have read. Why are you making the assumption that he treated her badly?

On the contrary the Prossie treated him badly. Making appointments and cancelling at the last minute and lying?  Because thats the way she treated RL so thats the way she would like to be treated? Is this the way we should be treating all prossies?  Is that what youre saying?

Lying gets you caught out, if she did lie (assuming her child isn't at a school in another area which can happen), then she ran the risk of being found out.

Does make me wonder when people lie, sometimes they have a reason, sometimes not. Sometimes they don't want to tell the truth because the excuse they give is safer than giving out more personal info. Whilst I don't defend it as such there have been times when I've revealed stuff, which has resulted in the client then trying to use it as leverage in the future, or trying to wangle around it, and this has taught me to just not go into detail. Just saying you can't make it, or are simply not available means there's less risk of offence.

If someone was mucking about I'd tell them I was fed up of making arrangements, and having them cancelled, that it just didn't work for me.

It's rubbish when folk can't keep commitments.

[willbred]

I've been thinking about this for some time now.  I know I'm from the fluffier end of the punting spectrum; but I'm finding that my punting experiences are making me more cynical. 

Quite apart from the"Cancellation at last minute from the WG" thread, I've had an experience recently where one of my Regulars has re-scheduled one of our meetings by a week. 

"No problem about that", you may think; but I KNOW the story she's spun me as to why she's put back by a week the day we'd previously arranged to meet is a load of bollocks. ["My son's on half-term from school"; oh, no; he isn't - I didn't believe you, so I checked your local Council's Education Department web pages and found that he'll be on half-term on the date that you've rearranged our meeting to!!]  I mean; if you're going to re-schedule, tell me the truth.  FFS, I'm one of your Regulars; I'll understand!

Then last Saturday, I was on my way home on the bus from a football game and there were a couple on the same bus where the age difference between him [a bit younger than me; mid/late 50s] and her [definitely nowehere near that old!] was exaggerated by their behaviour on the bus and by the loud way she was talking.  Immediately I began to wonder if she was his Escort, where they were going, etc., etc.

Finally, I was on AW today, looking to book a WG in the town I'm visiting this weekend.  Although she's got feedback less than 2 days old, she apparently hasn't logged onto AW for over a fortnight and she hasn't responded to the Booking I sent her this morning.

I know I'd never have thought like this before I began to punt; and I'm sure some of you [many of you?] will probably think, "Why ever not?"  However, I just wonder if others of you have punting experiences which have affected the way you think now, compared with how you thought before you began punting?

I can empathise with your point about being spun a load of bollocks, even by a regular. I had a similar experience last year with a regular I'd seen countless times over several years. She started changing punt times at short notice with crap excuses and if I was there of an afternoon, would start on about the next client arriving soon after our session. I could have just walked away and left it, but in a moment of fluffiness, confronted her. It turned out her ex was back on the scene and she didn't want me there when he visited. Problem is WGs live a double life ( like us punters!)andsome  live in a fantasy world. But, unlike us, a lot of 'em have been lying so long, they don't know anything else.

[Samson89]

I think you are the weirdo. RL is one of the most respected and sensible posters here and you have the cheek to call him weirdo. I would read the Op properly before you spout nonsense.

Well I think you are a weirdo for defending that kind of behaviour. Caring so much that a prossie couldn't see you and possibly lied about why is weird. Checking up her sons school timetable is weird. If you think a prostitute must tell you the truth at all times, that you're somehow owed the truth, then you need to realise you are not one of her friends, family or partner . Maybe she had a boil spring up on her worn out gash. Maybe she was on the rag and had plans/other bookings in a few days, who knows, let her live her life no need to emotional.

[Ali Katt]

Well I think you are a weirdo for defending that kind of behaviour. Caring so much that a prossie couldn't see you and possibly lied about why is weird. Checking up her sons school timetable is weird. If you think a prostitute must tell you the truth at all times, that you're somehow owed the truth, then you need to realise you are not one of her friends, family or partner . Maybe she had a boil spring up on her worn out gash. Maybe she was on the rag and had plans/other bookings in a few days, who knows, let her live her life no need to emotional.

Just because your name is Samson there is no need to blow smoke up prossies arses. You are blatantly a troll and everyone can see through you.

[Samson89]

How is checking that she is telling the truth stalking her? I know the full story on the OP's original post and No I am not the WG in question.

The booking he is talking about was booked well in advance and she accepted it. Surely any WG with children at school would block out the school holidays in their diary if they are unable to take appointments then? She is the one at fault all he has done was checked the school holiday calender and found out she was lying hardly a weirdo.

Digging up personal info on a wg is a bit intrusive but you are obviously cool with that so fair play

[Ali Katt]

Digging up personal info on a wg is a bit intrusive but you are obviously cool with that so fair play

Digging up an school timetable is hardly intrusive. I notice you haven't had a go at me yet.

[DaveMugabe]

RL had doubt about what he was told - i.e. her child had school half term.  He didnt look up the child.  She brought the child into this.

All he did was to check with the council when the half term was.  This is not personal information nor is it intrusive, it is public information, much the same as when Easter is or when Christmas is.  I dont know when Easter is this year so if someone said they were doing something over easter I would look it up on the net to see when it is.

School half terms are generally the same all over the country with a few exceptions.  All Councils will have half term one week but a few will choose a week after or a week earlier. I think next half term is two weeks from now.

The prossie is so thick she doesnt realise that the information was easily available and so couldnt even lie properly.  In any case why lie?  She could have just said she had a boil on her gash or on the rag.

What do you tell your punters when you cancel their bookings?