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Offline Corus Boy

Robert Richard Fraser, who is also known as Robert Aleem or Shia Robert Jackson, is wanted by police in connection to the death.

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Of course this sort of thing would be less likely to happen if WG's could work together and not be scared of brothel laws.

More blood on the hands of the law makers.

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Of course this sort of thing would be less likely to happen if WG's could work together and not be scared of brothel laws.

More blood on the hands of the law makers.

Have to agree with this statement.  Its ok sending out his photo to all of us which did happen (I was sent it by three different escort places). but we need to be able to prevent this from happening.  The way the law stands we will always be at risk as unlike other dangerous occupations (nursing, police etc) by law we have to be alone so have no one else there to either put them off or just call for help.  No matter how much security we have we can still be dead 30seconds after hitting a panic button as we are alone.  It really is about time the government stopped trying to make our situation even worse and perhaps said that it would be safer if we worked in pairs and made it legal to do so.  I know they will never legalise brothels as they can cause problems in some areas but to allow two people to work from the same property would be a sensible option as two have a far greater chance of being safe than just one hence police officers go in pairs.  To me it is just common sense as predators prey on the easy targets and having more than one person will normally be enough of a deterrant

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it would be safer if we worked in pairs and made it legal to do so.

Perhaps they should introduce the option for registered prostutes, who registered with HMRC & Paid, and had regular health checks, and were accountable, that would be about as popular as a pig in a muslim church  :hi:

The working together for security doesn't hold water, as if a girl was concerned about her safety would she rather have a 7 stone petite girlfriend around or a 16 stone bloke  :hi:

Offline Daffodil

Have to agree with this statement.  Its ok sending out his photo to all of us which did happen (I was sent it by three different escort places). but we need to be able to prevent this from happening.  The way the law stands we will always be at risk as unlike other dangerous occupations (nursing, police etc) by law we have to be alone so have no one else there to either put them off or just call for help.  No matter how much security we have we can still be dead 30seconds after hitting a panic button as we are alone.  It really is about time the government stopped trying to make our situation even worse and perhaps said that it would be safer if we worked in pairs and made it legal to do so.  I know they will never legalise brothels as they can cause problems in some areas but to allow two people to work from the same property would be a sensible option as two have a far greater chance of being safe than just one hence police officers go in pairs.  To me it is just common sense as predators prey on the easy targets and having more than one person will normally be enough of a deterrant

Nonsense  :hi:

By law you can't work with another prossie, but you can have security, including in the building. The law doesn't insist on you working alone.

And if you could have another prossie in the premises, do you think they could protect you better/faster than security?

And police sometimes go in pairs and sometimes they don't.

James999

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The Police going in pairs (at times) is very different as their job is to deal with crime / conflict, a pro$$ies job in many respects is the exact opposite, i.e. when a guy is at his most compliant (while getting his cock sucked)

Cabbies / minicabs work alone and that's far more dangerous and far lower paid, as such Pro$$ie income is sufficient for them to employ security if they consider it a genuine problem, instead of relying on the Police, for whom the non taxpayers don't pay towards :hi:

Offline Corus Boy

I believe that anything that can be done to make everyone more secure is a good thing.  When it does come down to WG security and when punters suggest that they need on site security I cannot help but have a small smile to myself! And think;

Are these the same punters who write reviews or comment on public boards that they heard someone else in the flat, or reply that they would not visit such a place or girl if they had someone there!


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Perhaps that just shows how punters can be openminded and see it from a Pro$$ies perspective and the reality is from a safety point of view a large male on the premises is likely to be the most effective form of protection  :hi:

Offline Daffodil

I believe that anything that can be done to make everyone more secure is a good thing.  When it does come down to WG security and when punters suggest that they need on site security I cannot help but have a small smile to myself! And think;

Are these the same punters who write reviews or comment on public boards that they heard someone else in the flat, or reply that they would not visit such a place or girl if they had someone there!

Security can be done discreetly so you wouldn't even know about it.

Guys who don't like others being in the premises probably wouldn't like knowing there are other punters and prossies there either  :hi:

Offline MancSean

I have a 9 stone Rottweiler and never been robbed at home even when I go out all day and leave back door open. Cheaper than a and less offensive than a 16 stone body guard and woke break the two in a flat rule

James999

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I have a 9 stone Rottweiler

Yeah but the place will stink, dog owners often say it doesn't but that's like the people living near a railway, they get used to it.

Offline MancSean

Yeah but the place will stink, dog owners often say it doesn't but that's like the people living near a railway, they get used to it.
You could be right about that James I am used to my dogs smell I have a boxer too. However they both fart a lot and that could be off putting when getting to the vinegar strokes
However the natural dog smell could be masked with air freshner

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Whilst I think this guy is the scum of the earth and should be locked up or even hanged, to suggest security would've saved the situation is a folly.
WGs who do have security at the premises are more likely to get in a similar situation because their attitude manifests into one that of a capitalist vulture. Their service will become worse in the knowledge that they can get away with it.
I know as I've had a couple of rows with 'security' over refunds because if the attitudes.

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However they both fart a lot

Charcoal dog biscuits should help, see the stuff you pick up here  :sarcastic:

Offline MancSean

Charcoal dog biscuits should help, see the stuff you pick up here  :sarcastic:
Many thanks any tips to stop malting?
I guess thick black hair on clothes could make a jealous spouse suspicious  :cool:

Offline Daffodil

At the end of a day, if two prossies want to work together for the sake of security they can and many do. Technically it is illegal, but I'm sure the police couldn't give a shit. They're not going to pursue such arrangements, evidenced by the large number of fully-fledged brothels/parlours operating in the open.

As a solution to the security risk it makes no sense anyway, as mentioned above. Putting another prossie into the flat surely just puts another victim in the firing line. Security, in the shape of a sixteen stone knucklehead, is perfectly legal and preferable.

I believe that if brothels were legalised the vast majority of indies would remain just that and, if anything, it would drive girls who were working in brothels back on their own so as to avoid the legislation and tax repercussions. Counter-productive, if security is the concern.

Offline smiths

Any security an Indie has in her premises shouldnt be seen or heard in my view. I dont wish to see some knuckle dragging meathead. In a brothel i expect there to be others so not a problem.

IMO the law should allow WGs to work together if they so wish. Apart from anything else i like it as it means i have a chance of spotting a future WG i might punt with as has happened many times over the years, at least i know what they really look like.

This worked out very well with a real stunner in Mill Hill a few years ago. I had punted with her flatmate and as i was leaving i saw this mixed race lovely in the kitchen, i asked if she was working and available and she said yes. I immediately punted with her and she became a regular for a while, i never punted with her flatmate again although she did give me the evil eye a couple of times. Had the hump i preferred her flatmate.

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At the end of a day, if two prossies want to work together for the sake of security they can and many do. Technically it is illegal, but I'm sure the police couldn't give a shit. They're not going to pursue such arrangements, evidenced by the large number of fully-fledged brothels/parlours operating in the open.

As a solution to the security risk it makes no sense anyway, as mentioned above. Putting another prossie into the flat surely just puts another victim in the firing line. Security, in the shape of a sixteen stone knucklehead, is perfectly legal and preferable.

I believe that if brothels were legalised the vast majority of indies would remain just that and, if anything, it would drive girls who were working in brothels back on their own so as to avoid the legislation and tax repercussions. Counter-productive, if security is the concern.

Attackers aren't necessarily 16 stone knuckleheads, some of the nastiest people do not look it.

Offline Daffodil

Attackers aren't necessarily 16 stone knuckleheads, some of the nastiest people do not look it.

Not what I said, try reading it again  :hi:

Offline hockogrockle

Sadly, prostitutions has been a dangerous profession over the years, and has attracted the attention of several serial killers( e.g. Jack the Ripper, the Yorkshire Ripper and that bloke in Ipswich whose name escapes me). Even working in a knocking shop doesn't guarantee security; two women were murdered in a Shrewsbury parlour about five years ago. One was a sex worker, the other was the elderly receptionist. There'e no real answer, short of employing a bodyguard (yeah, right). Any women with cash around, and who is conveniently naked (and therefore vulnerable) is going to be an easy target for a homicidal lunatic. Several madmen have justified their actions by saying that prostitutes are "the spawn of satan" or suchlike, as if that entitled them to execute them. Perhaps a more mature approach to sex work by society, might be a good idea. At the moment, the mindset of  the police seems to be the same as that which caused so much undetected paedophile grooming: "these girls have made lifestyle choices".

Gigabyte

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Get a panic alarm fitted and monitored by a reputable company. The police will come immediately to the address without you having to ring them. Not quite as good as having some security on site but better than nothing.

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Sadly, prostitutions has been a dangerous profession over the years, and has attracted the attention of several serial killers( e.g. Jack the Ripper, the Yorkshire Ripper and that bloke in Ipswich whose name escapes me). Even working in a knocking shop doesn't guarantee security; two women were murdered in a Shrewsbury parlour about five years ago. One was a sex worker, the other was the elderly receptionist. There'e no real answer, short of employing a bodyguard (yeah, right). Any women with cash around, and who is conveniently naked (and therefore vulnerable) is going to be an easy target for a homicidal lunatic. Several madmen have justified their actions by saying that prostitutes are "the spawn of satan" or suchlike, as if that entitled them to execute them. Perhaps a more mature approach to sex work by society, might be a good idea. At the moment, the mindset of  the police seems to be the same as that which caused so much undetected paedophile grooming: "these girls have made lifestyle choices".

Also a target for robbers as well. A couple of such scumbags robbed and killed the security guy at a brothel near me a couple of years ago. They had carried out a number of similar robberies on brothels viewing them as easy targets.

It all depends on what area you live in as to the police attitude to off/street brothel prostitution of course. In some areas they havent a problem with it until perhaps neighbours complain. That could though literally change overnight with a new top cop who holds a different view. 

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So if cash is part of the problem perhaps Pro$$ies should only take cards, cheques & transfers  :hi:

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Not what I said, try reading it again  :hi:

Sorry, hard work out (and skim reading).

Gigabyte

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Credit cards preferably
So if cash is part of the problem perhaps Pro$$ies should only take cards, cheques & transfers  :hi:

Offline smiths

So if cash is part of the problem perhaps Pro$$ies should only take cards, cheques & transfers  :hi:

I did pay by card to an Agency years ago, they charged me a big handling fee of 10%, never again, i was very stupid to do that price and personal security wise. Cash only for me nowadays. ;)

Offline Daffodil

There is nothing in the law currently that prevents prossies from acquiring suitable security. Brothels do not need to be legalised to achieve it.

Prossies choose not to sort out their own well-being, probably because they don't like the cost it would incur.

Offline Daffodil

So if cash is part of the problem perhaps Pro$$ies should only take cards, cheques & transfers  :hi:

Of course, given that they claim not to have cash with which to provide change, they must be processing their 'earnings' by these means anyway  :rolleyes:

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Have to agree with this statement.  Its ok sending out his photo to all of us which did happen (I was sent it by three different escort places). but we need to be able to prevent this from happening.  The way the law stands we will always be at risk as unlike other dangerous occupations (nursing, police etc) by law we have to be alone so have no one else there to either put them off or just call for help.  No matter how much security we have we can still be dead 30seconds after hitting a panic button as we are alone.  It really is about time the government stopped trying to make our situation even worse and perhaps said that it would be safer if we worked in pairs and made it legal to do so.  I know they will never legalise brothels as they can cause problems in some areas but to allow two people to work from the same property would be a sensible option as two have a far greater chance of being safe than just one hence police officers go in pairs.  To me it is just common sense as predators prey on the easy targets and having more than one person will normally be enough of a deterrant

Excellent post and one with which I agree totally. The current situation helps no one and I'm sure the drive to 'protect women' from prostituion is actually counter productive. I'm sure mumsnet and some politicians would like to see it outlawed completely and would consider it job done little realising that they had simply driven it underground and made women less not more safe. It's ludicrous

Mara

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Prossies choose not to sort out their own well-being, probably because they don't like the cost it would incur.

Of course, security should be our main priority. It's not always easy but I agree, effort and money should go into security rather than thinking of how to make more business the next day.
Sadly, the majority of people in the world are assailed by pure stupidity when they see the dosh and not only escorts are affected by that.


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Of course, security should be our main priority. It's not always easy but I agree, effort and money should go into security rather than thinking of how to make more business the next day.
Sadly, the majority of people in the world are assailed by pure stupidity when they see the dosh and not only escorts are affected by that.

Complacency is also another culprit.

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Hope some people can now understand why some prossies don't see black guys.

SirPhilipXX

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There is nothing in the law currently that prevents prossies from acquiring suitable security. Brothels do not need to be legalised to achieve it.

Prossies choose not to sort out their own well-being, probably because they don't like the cost it would incur.
Thanks to our stupid laws, anyone who works for or on behalf of a prossie is risking prosecution for living off immoral earnings - and that includes security staff.

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Hope some people can now understand why some prossies don't see black guys.

Load of rubbish, plenty of attackers of other origins and backgrounds, they are also in a minority(attackers I mean). To single out men of a certain ethnicity or race is ridiculous, and just as daft as not having security in place.
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Thanks to our stupid laws, anyone who works for or on behalf of a prossie is risking prosecution for living off immoral earnings - and that includes security staff.

I believe that there isn't an offence of living off immoral earnings, the offence is 'control for gain'. I'll be back in a minute with a link.

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You need to scroll to 'control for gain' offence, so if security man is not controlling her bookings and he's simply just there in the background no offence is committed.

« Last Edit: February 03, 2014, 11:57:15 pm by Strawberry »

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Thanks to our stupid laws, anyone who works for or on behalf of a prossie is risking prosecution for living off immoral earnings - and that includes security staff.

Not true  :hi:
« Last Edit: February 04, 2014, 07:51:30 am by James999 »

Offline Thepacifist

So sorry to hear about this, I hope the scum bag gets caught asap!

Offline mh

So sorry to hear about this, I hope the scum bag gets caught asap!

He has been arrested.
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Andre 3000

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Hope some people can now understand why some prossies don't see black guys.

Yeah because all black punters are crazed maniacs who bludgeon women to death.  :rolleyes:

DaveMugabe

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Yeah because all black punters are crazed maniacs who bludgeon women to death.  :rolleyes:
Hang on a minute, I am a black punter.  when did I last do that???  Surely there must at least be a body!! :cool:

Offline Corus Boy


Hang on a minute, I am a black punter.  when did I last do that???  Surely there must at least be a body!! :cool:


Naaaaaaaaa, you're probably a cannibal as well!!!!!!  :lol:

Only Joking.

Rain_man

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Hope some people can now understand why some prossies don't see black guys.

Not sure is that's tongue in cheek....or you going full retard.

DaveMugabe

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Naaaaaaaaa, you're probably a cannibal as well!!!!!!  :lol:

Only Joking.
I wondered where all that meat in my freezer came from!!



(has the joke gone too far now??)

Offline Corus Boy


I wondered where all that meat in my freezer came from!!



(has the joke gone too far now??)


Probably but it is the Chinese Year of the Horse!

I've heard that Tesco's didn't understand and continues stocking up in there butchers department!