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I’m in process of organising a meeting with a genuine Sub sp, this is new territory for me as I usually go for straightforward GFE/PSE meets.
This particular sp mostly does solo camming for which she has a lot of great feedback. She does occasionally do escort meets but only one feedback for this.
I’m after some advice on what’s expected of me really. She’s into mild dom and fetish, so obviously I will be watching her with her toys etc but do I tell her what to do and how far can you usually go with joining in and getting off myself?
I have asked her to clarify boundaries etc but not got much back as yet so hoping some of you guys can give me a bit of practical advice from your experience with subs.
I know it might sound like hard work but she really is a great looking girl who I’ve fancied for a long time now so thinking it might be worth stepping outside my comfort zone and giving it a go.
Thanks in advance
SB


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Link ?
Not sure if I’m comfortable sharing a link.
I will do a review after.
Just after some general advice/tips.
SB

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The word fetish usually (USUALLY) means she will be into being a gentle sub, maybe some roleplay, probably not bdsm type meet.

Without the link it’s very hard to help, and by help I meanto give advice on what to expect etc.
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I just stuck 'sub' in the search box...it returns a lot of information and links.
Could learn quite a bit that way  :hi:

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I’m in process of organising a meeting with a genuine Sub sp, this is new territory for me as I usually go for straightforward GFE/PSE meets.
This particular sp mostly does solo camming for which she has a lot of great feedback. She does occasionally do escort meets but only one feedback for this.
I’m after some advice on what’s expected of me really. She’s into mild dom and fetish, so obviously I will be watching her with her toys etc but do I tell her what to do and how far can you usually go with joining in and getting off myself?
I have asked her to clarify boundaries etc but not got much back as yet so hoping some of you guys can give me a bit of practical advice from your experience with subs.
I know it might sound like hard work but she really is a great looking girl who I’ve fancied for a long time now so thinking it might be worth stepping outside my comfort zone and giving it a go.
Thanks in advance
SB
There's a pretty good book called BDSM 101 by Rev Jen if you are an absolute beginner and has some useful-ish tips, but the writing style is very easy to read if a bit jokey.

As I've said elsewhere I agree everything before hand often by email, but I have specific needs and desires, but what I am into isn't rare as such - I wouldn't want choke play or to whip a woman for example.

There are a few questions you should ask yourself: Are you dominant at work (I'm assuming you are not a student and if you are that is OK as well)? I work in a largely male dominated environment, it's a mixed trade, but just were I work is largely males so I give a lot of banter and have to sometimes do dominant tasks like issue disciplinary notices, believe it or not this meant it's not much of a leap being sexually dominant; of course some people are the opposite we all know of business women in high profile jobs that are incredibly submissive sexually or likewise the opposite is true sometimes the hard bastard rugby player who likes to dress as a sissy and be degraded by wearing women's make-up.

What do you want out of it? Are you being dominant because you think it is for you or are you doing it to prove a point? Is it who you are in other words? Of course you might not know.

Have you been dominant on punts before? Or in relationships or with sex with civvies? I think I was dominant from the start, but not to the extent where I was comfortable.

Are you a quick learner? I've made mistakes it is a learning curve and I am still learning. Nobody is Christian Grey from day one.

Are you good at giving clear, decisive instructions? Once again I do this at work, it's not a matter of life and death if I get it wrong, but it's so much easier if people know what to do. Also, I'm a straight to the point man. If you are a person that rambles or sound indecisive really reel it in a bit.

What sexual activities do you want to do? You mentioned toys, anything else? It's up to you what you share on here. I would avoid anything that requires tying someone up, anything rough or anything involving hard pain such as paddling.

Like I've said before on this board and even privately. There's people a lot more dominant than me on here and in real life, but I play to my strengths I am playful because well I like telling jokes and having fun, plus I have a filthy mouth so I bring that into the bedroom. My version of dom is pretty much my own version, maybe some would beg to differ, but I do my own thing and I think it would be hard to imitate if someone copied me exact, or maybe that's egotistical.

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 Why don't you go for a vanilla meet first, so she realises you are not a lunatic, then plan a BDSM meet for the second punt. That way no boundaries are broken and you will be more relaxed.

Offline shyboy1

The word fetish usually (USUALLY) means she will be into being a gentle sub, maybe some roleplay, probably not bdsm type meet.

Without the link it’s very hard to help, and by help I meanto give advice on what to expect etc.
Thanks, I understand it’s difficult to give advice without a link but don’t want to risk it in case she reads this thread.
Review will be in W Mids section if meet goes ahead  :thumbsup:

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There's a pretty good book called BDSM 101 by Rev Jen if you are an absolute beginner and has some useful-ish tips, but the writing style is very easy to read if a bit jokey.

As I've said elsewhere I agree everything before hand often by email, but I have specific needs and desires, but what I am into isn't rare as such - I wouldn't want choke play or to whip a woman for example.

There are a few questions you should ask yourself: Are you dominant at work (I'm assuming you are not a student and if you are that is OK as well)? I work in a largely male dominated environment, it's a mixed trade, but just were I work is largely males so I give a lot of banter and have to sometimes do dominant tasks like issue disciplinary notices, believe it or not this meant it's not much of a leap being sexually dominant; of course some people are the opposite we all know of business women in high profile jobs that are incredibly submissive sexually or likewise the opposite is true sometimes the hard bastard rugby player who likes to dress as a sissy and be degraded by wearing women's make-up.

What do you want out of it? Are you being dominant because you think it is for you or are you doing it to prove a point? Is it who you are in other words? Of course you might not know.

Have you been dominant on punts before? Or in relationships or with sex with civvies? I think I was dominant from the start, but not to the extent where I was comfortable.

Are you a quick learner? I've made mistakes it is a learning curve and I am still learning. Nobody is Christian Grey from day one.

Are you good at giving clear, decisive instructions? Once again I do this at work, it's not a matter of life and death if I get it wrong, but it's so much easier if people know what to do. Also, I'm a straight to the point man. If you are a person that rambles or sound indecisive really reel it in a bit.

What sexual activities do you want to do? You mentioned toys, anything else? It's up to you what you share on here. I would avoid anything that requires tying someone up, anything rough or anything involving hard pain such as paddling.

Like I've said before on this board and even privately. There's people a lot more dominant than me on here and in real life, but I play to my strengths I am playful because well I like telling jokes and having fun, plus I have a filthy mouth so I bring that into the bedroom. My version of dom is pretty much my own version, maybe some would beg to differ, but I do my own thing and I think it would be hard to imitate if someone copied me exact, or maybe that's egotistical.
Thanks for that.
Given me something to think about!
I don’t have any problems being in charge at work even though I don’t enjoy the disciplinary side.
Never considered myself dominant sexually and probably won’t go very far down the bdsm route.
However I think it’s something I’d like to explore.
I will definitely have to speak to the sp properly to get more idea how far I can go sexually with her.  At the very least I’d hope for a decent edging HJ.!!
Cheers for the advice  :hi:

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Why don't you go for a vanilla meet first, so she realises you are not a lunatic, then plan a BDSM meet for the second punt. That way no boundaries are broken and you will be more relaxed.
Total waste of money. We don't know what he wants, but I doubt it's say for her to be chained to a cross and whipped until she bleeds. The girl will know whether she is comfortable from the word go.

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This sounds like an accident waiting to happen.  I am reading between the lines of course - don't know her, don't know you.

But anyway, if she is sub (or playing it) and you have to ask us what to do, it could lead to:
-So shall we strip now?
--Um OK
-Is it Ok if I suck you here?
--Uh huh.
-You made a noise, sorry if that hurt.
-Could this be time to get a condom if you are OK with that?
--Um OK.
-Oh time is up, I better leave.  Bye Hun.
--Bye.  I am so horny, BTW.  Why didn't you fuck the shit out of me like the last 5 guys?

Basically a sub girl is a fuck toy.  That is what she wants.  If you have to ask us what to do, good chance this is not going to work out well.

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I will definitely have to speak to the sp properly to get more idea how far I can go sexually with her.  At the very least I’d hope for a decent edging HJ.!!
Cheers for the advice  :hi:

 Errrmmmmm.... an edging HJ puts her in control and makes you the sub. Tie her up, vibe her clit but don't let her orgasm, then fuck her.

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You could ask her what her limits are and what she likes to have done and go from there.

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Thanks for that.
Given me something to think about!
I don’t have any problems being in charge at work even though I don’t enjoy the disciplinary side.
Never considered myself dominant sexually and probably won’t go very far down the bdsm route.
However I think it’s something I’d like to explore.
I will definitely have to speak to the sp properly to get more idea how far I can go sexually with her.  At the very least I’d hope for a decent edging HJ.!!
Cheers for the advice  :hi:
Sorry, but you need to know what you want in advance, not how far she will go.

I will be honest I know fuck all about edging has zero appeal to me. But I presume she's doing edging on you, or is it on her as well? If it's just on you trust me she is the one being dominant in that scenario.

What I will say is the submissive is always the one who has the power as they can say no. D/s is pretty much roleplay in itself. What I do is I get lost in the moment. Like I say agree everything before especially if you think she is a light sub or you are not sure. It's not about pushing boundaries, it's about working within them.

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Total waste of money. We don't know what he wants, but I doubt it's say for her to be chained to a cross and whipped until she bleeds. The girl will know whether she is comfortable from the word go.

 We disagree then, the girl would have to have a screw loose to allow herself to be dominated on a first meet, it's all about being comfortable. Mind you from what the OP has posted he appears to have no idea so I see a train wreck coming.

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Errrmmmmm.... an edging HJ puts her in control and makes you the sub. Tie her up, vibe her clit but don't let her orgasm, then fuck her.
Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. Does he know how to tie ropes? What about handcuffs? Does he know that if it's done wrong it cuts off the circulation and is potentially dangerous? No fucking way would I tie a girl up as I don't know shibari ... yet. Also, no fucking way would I be tied unless it was someone I had seen before and trust fully. When a girl is tied the man can potentially do anything and vice versa, do have any idea how stupid it is to suggest that to a first timer?

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We disagree then, the girl would have to have a screw loose to allow herself to be dominated on a first meet, it's all about being comfortable. Mind you from what the OP has posted he appears to have no idea so I see a train wreck coming.
We have very different ideas of what it means to be dominant. It's never been an issue for me, I don't see a train wreck just a lot of awkwardness.

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Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. Does he know how to tie ropes? What about handcuffs? Does he know that if it's done wrong it cuts off the circulation and is potentially dangerous? No fucking way would I tie a girl up as I don't know shibari ... yet. Also, no fucking way would I be tied unless it was someone I had seen before and trust fully. When a girl is tied the man can potentially do anything and vice versa, do have any idea how stupid it is to suggest that to a first timer?

 It was tongue in cheek, maybe I should have added an emoji... and shibari is more decorative than effective.

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It was tongue in cheek, maybe I should have added an emoji... and shibari is more decorative than effective.
Sorry Lodger. There's so much bad advice mainly after 50 shades were people take unnecessary risks as they don't have a Scooby.

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Sorry Lodger. There's so much bad advice mainly after 50 shades were people take unnecessary risks as they don't have a Scooby.

 No worries it was a somewhat reckless post, aimed at waking up the OP rather than an honest suggestion. We only differ on the 'two meet' principle, I've
had a civvie sub or two, but wouldn't pay a prossie to sub for me, the dynamics don't match.

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No worries it was a somewhat reckless post, aimed at waking up the OP rather than an honest suggestion. We only differ on the 'two meet' principle, I've
had a civvie sub or two, but wouldn't pay a prossie to sub for me, the dynamics don't match.
I've had both and I do know what you mean. If I was say I don't know more into say humiliation or like I've mention stuff involving inflicting pain more it would be different. Civvies are interesting as it is like a radar to me as many give away clues often with their appearance - ponytails but don't play sport, Pokemon clothing, or the rare one of ignoring their boyfriend and their voice goes all high when I open my mouth.

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This sounds like an accident waiting to happen.  I am reading between the lines of course - don't know her, don't know you.

But anyway, if she is sub (or playing it) and you have to ask us what to do, it could lead to:
-So shall we strip now?
--Um OK
-Is it Ok if I suck you here?
--Uh huh.
-You made a noise, sorry if that hurt.
-Could this be time to get a condom if you are OK with that?
--Um OK.
-Oh time is up, I better leave.  Bye Hun.
--Bye.  I am so horny, BTW.  Why didn't you fuck the shit out of me like the last 5 guys?

Basically a sub girl is a fuck toy.  That is what she wants.  If you have to ask us what to do, good chance this is not going to work out well.
You might well be spot on with this.!
It’s what I was worried about to be honest, hence the plea for some pearls of wisdom from some more experienced doms.
I’m not really wanting to get into the bdsm side, it’s more the experience of having an attractive woman being under my control and I suppose submitting to me.
There’s a fair chance of it being a train wreck but there again I won’t know till I try.
SB

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Errrmmmmm.... an edging HJ puts her in control and makes you the sub. Tie her up, vibe her clit but don't let her orgasm, then fuck her.
That’s a fair point  :thumbsup:

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You might well be spot on with this.!
It’s what I was worried about to be honest, hence the plea for some pearls of wisdom from some more experienced doms.
I’m not really wanting to get into the bdsm side, it’s more the experience of having an attractive woman being under my control and I suppose submitting to me.
There’s a fair chance of it being a train wreck but there again I won’t know till I try.
SB
How good are you now at giving instructions? Could you tell a sexy woman in a dominant way to suck your cock or position her body in the way you want it - if not you're too ill at ease, could you say it without laughing - I mean it should be fun, but many people struggle with the actual taking control side because they just burst out laughing.

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Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. Does he know how to tie ropes? What about handcuffs? Does he know that if it's done wrong it cuts off the circulation and is potentially dangerous? No fucking way would I tie a girl up as I don't know shibari ... yet. Also, no fucking way would I be tied unless it was someone I had seen before and trust fully. When a girl is tied the man can potentially do anything and vice versa, do have any idea how stupid it is to suggest that to a first timer?
Don’t worry I won’t be tying any knots or nailing hotties to crosses.
The only pain likely to be involved is the sort caused by embarrassing silences when I bottle it.!

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Don’t worry I won’t be tying any knots or nailing hotties to crosses.
The only pain likely to be involved is the sort caused by embarrassing silences when I bottle it.!

 Seriously shyboy there's no need for tying or equipment, it's a mind thing. You are either naturally dominant or will grow into it with age.

 The girl kneeling is a very powerful thing, sit on the edge of the bed with her kneeling, naked, in front of you, hands held by her behind her back. most subs love this. Talk to her,stroke her hair/play with her mouth. If you both enjoy this it's a decent start. This shouldn't be awkward, if it is maybe D/s isn't for you.

 Just one opinion.

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Don’t worry I won’t be tying any knots or nailing hotties to crosses.
The only pain likely to be involved is the sort caused by embarrassing silences when I bottle it.!
I've bottled it before, it happens to everybody. I think you need to really think about it and think what sexual activities you want to do and how you want to act. I mean it took me years to figure out what I wanted, the first problem I had was tonality and not sounding too aggressive; the second was just being able to formulate everything I knew and get it to work. It really was an organic process for me, it started a bit with civvies first and then when I started seeing escorts again I had a bit more of an idea of how to lead; to be honest there are exceptions, but I think a lot of girls want "a man who knows what he wants" - we all know what that means.

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Seriously shyboy there's no need for tying or equipment, it's a mind thing. You are either naturally dominant or will grow into it with age.

 The girl kneeling is a very powerful thing, sit on the edge of the bed with her kneeling, naked, in front of you, hands held by her behind her back. most subs love this. Talk to her,stroke her hair/play with her mouth. If you both enjoy this it's a decent start. This shouldn't be awkward, if it is maybe D/s isn't for you.

 Just one opinion.


Thanks for this, that sounds like an excellent way to get started and hopefully I will be able to move things on from there.
SB

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Communication and trust are important for a comfortable and enjoyable meet.

What is her idea of submissive? This can be anything from not much different to a gfe but with you taking the lead and deciding what happens when right up to you nailing her tits to the wall. You need to establish what level she is comfortable to start at and also what it is you actually want to do that will satisfy your urge to be dominant.

And when i say "start at" i mean that ... as trust develops and communication and understanding improves then gradually she will be eager to explore further. At least thats my experience. Initially be firm and decisive but in a "gentle" way ... dont shout or be aggresive ... just lead. And maybe suggest the traffic light system.

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I've bottled it before, it happens to everybody. I think you need to really think about it and think what sexual activities you want to do and how you want to act. I mean it took me years to figure out what I wanted, the first problem I had was tonality and not sounding too aggressive; the second was just being able to formulate everything I knew and get it to work. It really was an organic process for me, it started a bit with civvies first and then when I started seeing escorts again I had a bit more of an idea of how to lead; to be honest there are exceptions, but I think a lot of girls want "a man who knows what he wants" - we all know what that means.

Cheers Ali Katt.
You’ve given me a good insight into what could potentially be a mine field of awkwardness and fuck ups!
However, I’ve had some excellent advice and observations from you and others and I’m now feeling a bit more confident and have a better understanding of what I’m getting into.
I will definitely go ahead if she’s willing and see how things progress.
Appreciate all the replies
SB

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We disagree then, the girl would have to have a screw loose to allow herself to be dominated on a first meet, it's all about being comfortable. Mind you from what the OP has posted he appears to have no idea so I see a train wreck coming.
I disagree that she would have to have a screw loose. I've been dominated on a first meeting. If I feel comfortable enough to meet a complete stranger, and be naked and vulnerable with them, and they have enough feedback and seem to have a clue, and of course we discuss boundaries, then I'm happy to do that.
If the guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about, then hell no.

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 I have seen (and hopefully will again) a sub who likes some quite extreme (in my mind) stuff , no problem thought I . But when it came to it i find it hard to spank or cane and even the restraint thing is more difficult than i thought ..
Our meetings have a much more vanila flavour than some of her meets thats for sure but i enjoy it (hopefully she does ) and i am learning slowly ...
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Communication and trust are important for a comfortable and enjoyable meet.

What is her idea of submissive? This can be anything from not much different to a gfe but with you taking the lead and deciding what happens when right up to you nailing her tits to the wall. You need to establish what level she is comfortable to start at and also what it is you actually want to do that will satisfy your urge to be dominant.

And when i say "start at" i mean that ... as trust develops and communication and understanding improves then gradually she will be eager to explore further. At least thats my experience. Initially be firm and decisive but in a "gentle" way ... dont shout or be aggresive ... just lead. And maybe suggest the traffic light system.
This is really good advice. You've said what I've said and expanded on it much more succinctly.

I have seen (and hopefully will again) a sub who likes some quite extreme (in my mind) stuff , no problem thought I . But when it came to it i find it hard to spank or cane and even the restraint thing is more difficult than i thought ..
Our meetings have a much more vanila flavour than some of her meets thats for sure but i enjoy it (hopefully she does ) and i am learning slowly ...
Speaking from experience I have learned to be a bit gentler with restraint and spanking as I have a problem where I don't know my own strength so tend to overcompensate by being softer. It's all a learning curve.

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It was tongue in cheek, maybe I should have added an emoji... and shibari is more decorative than effective.

Really !!!  :unknown: :unknown:

I've got plenty of string and the work I do with it is both highly decorative and more importantly extremely effective.

A set of prusik cuffs, as an example, is IMPOSSIBLE for the sub to escape from, regardless of how much of an eel the sub is, if correctly applied other than by the sub finding a way to cut the string.

FWIW the first thing I do with a sub is show them what NOT to do with string, it's very easy to do serious damage that can be fatal, then I truss them up like a chicken.

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A good sub will always explicitly state their limits in advance, and what they like. As well as safe word(s). Personally I use the traffic light system red - stop, yellow - pause, green - go. Easy to remember.

I have my soft limits and hard limits. The latter is nonnegotiable no matter what. The former could be tested with time and comfort.

Do not go with someone who will not set limits, as it could land you in a lot of trouble. If you still want to press ahead, explicitly state what you would like to do (don't have to do, but an expanded list), in writing, and have her confirm that she is okay or not okay with anything there. And the signals to indicate to disengage.

Edit: you also want to clarify how experienced she is with bdsm, and whether she identifies as a slave (best to avoid with punting as could potentially lead to issues), or one of the subgroups of subs. The subtype of a sub can tell you a lot about how they respond to not liking something.
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I wish I'd paid closer attention to this thread, specially the dialogue between Ali Katt, shyboy & The Lodger, before I went to see Chloebunny 69 recently. https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;u=120734

Like the OP in this thread, seeing Chloe was a step into previously-unvisited territory for me and I enjoyed it  - so much so that another - non-Sub - lass I saw for a GFE some days after I'd been with Chloe, got a MUCH firmer slap on the arse than I ever remember delivering before!

I went to see Chloe as a preliminary to seeing her and XXX-ANGELA for a MFF next month but I've no doubt I'll see her on her own again fairly soon and I'll re-read this thread before I do so.

Thanks, everybody.  :drinks:


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Really !!!  :unknown: :unknown:

I've got plenty of string and the work I do with it is both highly decorative and more importantly extremely effective.

A set of prusik cuffs, as an example, is IMPOSSIBLE for the sub to escape from, regardless of how much of an eel the sub is, if correctly applied other than by the sub finding a way to cut the string.

FWIW the first thing I do with a sub is show them what NOT to do with string, it's very easy to do serious damage that can be fatal, then I truss them up like a chicken.

 I stick by my view that shibari is decorative. For hand restraint cuffs are quicker, effective, and if the type with a clip in the chain can be separated in an instant if
required. If separated the clips can be used to restrain in other more inventive ways.
 All a matter of preference of course, and as I've said elsewhere I don't BDSM on paid meets.

 Rochelle posted that she does subbing on first meets. I think(maybe wrong) that she does outcalls only, it might work for her on outcalls as she arguably has more
protection from her screening, where on an incall the girl is more vulnerable.

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A good sub will always explicitly state their limits in advance, and what they like. As well as safe word(s). Personally I use the traffic light system red - stop, yellow - pause, green - go. Easy to remember.

I have my soft limits and hard limits. The latter is nonnegotiable no matter what. The former could be tested with time and comfort.

Do not go with someone who will not set limits, as it could land you in a lot of trouble. If you still want to press ahead, explicitly state what you would like to do (don't have to do, but an expanded list), in writing, and have her confirm that she is okay or not okay with anything there. And the signals to indicate to disengage.

Edit: you also want to clarify how experienced she is with bdsm, and whether she identifies as a slave (best to avoid with punting as could potentially lead to issues), or one of the subgroups of subs. The subtype of a sub can tell you a lot about how they respond to not liking something.
I could be wrong on this Tails, but I think he is looking for what I would class as dirty girlfriend experience. He's been very coy with the details, but I don't think he will need a traffic light system. As a few people have said safety and consent first, everything else is secondary.

You are totally right on the latter and I should have mentioned it. You get different type of submissives, I'm not sure if there is such a thing as a plastic sub, I know plastic dom gets banded around a lot. I've met a lot of switches that are amazing and likewise subs that are very submissive, but like to direct the action (would that be a power bottom?), as you know brat is another type, as is LG. You never really know until you are in the room.

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I stick by my view that shibari is decorative. For hand restraint cuffs are quicker, effective, and if the type with a clip in the chain can be separated in an instant if
required. If separated the clips can be used to restrain in other more inventive ways.
 All a matter of preference of course, and as I've said elsewhere I don't BDSM on paid meets.

Rochelle posted that she does subbing on first meets. I think(maybe wrong) that she does outcalls only, it might work for her on outcalls as she arguably has more
protection from her screening, where on an incall the girl is more vulnerable.

I've seen many subs and it's not been an issue. No disrespect intended, but if the girl doesn't trust you off the bat maybe the issue is with you.

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I've seen many subs and it's not been an issue. No disrespect intended, but if the girl doesn't trust you off the bat maybe the issue is with you.

 No disrespect taken - As I said before I don't BDSM with prossies, only civvies. So it's not my issue at all and is a moot point.

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I wish I'd paid closer attention to this thread, specially the dialogue between Ali Katt, shyboy & The Lodger, before I went to see Chloebunny 69 recently. https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;u=120734

Like the OP in this thread, seeing Chloe was a step into previously-unvisited territory for me and I enjoyed it  - so much so that another - non-Sub - lass I saw for a GFE some days after I'd been with Chloe, got a MUCH firmer slap on the arse than I ever remember delivering before!

I went to see Chloe as a preliminary to seeing her and XXX-ANGELA for a MFF next month but I've no doubt I'll see her on her own again fairly soon and I'll re-read this thread before I do so.

Thanks, everybody.  :drinks:
Cheers HA. In all honesty it is more about technique as I've said before I don't know my strength and can spank fucking hard, so I reel it in a bit and now I build it up. I'm not an expert, but I know what I like and it feels good doesn't it?

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Great thread, and excellent advice, especially from Ali Katt and the Lodger.

My bit for the OP: It doesn't sound you're quite ready for proper BDSM, but just want to explore your dom side.

In which case, I would simply say to the SP that you're not into crazy like pain/restraint/etc but know what you want in the bedroom. This usually sets the mood of the dialogue and she may ask you more questions if she wants to. What's important is that you set the mood and are in control of the conversation, while giving her the option to "opt out" as it where, in case she's not into something specific. What you don't want is ask for "permission" as such, as this can change the dynamics, especially if you're not experienced.

Then during the meet itself: It's all about confidence, frame and attitude. Don't be arrogant, but know what you want. Keep a calm deep voice, move slowly and lead her throughout the meet. Decide when to do the paperwork, when she should strip etc.  One tip, don't suddenly change from one position to another or give an "order" out of the blue. You have to try and signal things naturally and she will follow your lead. If you want to be edged, don't ask for it! Just let her play with you and make her slow down or stop when you want her to.



Offline workinallweek

A good sub will always explicitly state their limits in advance, and what they like. As well as safe word(s). Personally I use the traffic light system red - stop, yellow - pause, green - go. Easy to remember.

I have my soft limits and hard limits. The latter is nonnegotiable no matter what. The former could be tested with time and comfort.

Do not go with someone who will not set limits, as it could land you in a lot of trouble. If you still want to press ahead, explicitly state what you would like to do (don't have to do, but an expanded list), in writing, and have her confirm that she is okay or not okay with anything there. And the signals to indicate to disengage.

Edit: you also want to clarify how experienced she is with bdsm, and whether she identifies as a slave (best to avoid with punting as could potentially lead to issues), or one of the subgroups of subs. The subtype of a sub can tell you a lot about how they respond to not liking something.

So if your preference is sub how do you feel if a guy turns out a lot more vanilla than you normally expect ?do you still enjoy the time or just grin and bear it ? or do you lead them into your world (does that mean a sub becomes dom ?)
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Cheers HA. In all honesty it is more about technique as I've said before I don't know my strength and can spank fucking hard, so I reel it in a bit and now I build it up. I'm not an expert, but I know what I like and it feels good doesn't it?

Mmm, yeah; it did! ;)

And doesn't it show what a journey punting can be. I'd never have predicted this development when I took my first nervous steps into Sandy's Prestwich parlour 14 years ago. :unknown:

Offline shyboy1

Great thread, and excellent advice, especially from Ali Katt and the Lodger.

My bit for the OP: It doesn't sound you're quite ready for proper BDSM, but just want to explore your dom side.

In which case, I would simply say to the SP that you're not into crazy like pain/restraint/etc but know what you want in the bedroom. This usually sets the mood of the dialogue and she may ask you more questions if she wants to. What's important is that you set the mood and are in control of the conversation, while giving her the option to "opt out" as it where, in case she's not into something specific. What you don't want is ask for "permission" as such, as this can change the dynamics, especially if you're not experienced.

Then during the meet itself: It's all about confidence, frame and attitude. Don't be arrogant, but know what you want. Keep a calm deep voice, move slowly and lead her throughout the meet. Decide when to do the paperwork, when she should strip etc.  One tip, don't suddenly change from one position to another or give an "order" out of the blue. You have to try and signal things naturally and she will follow your lead. If you want to be edged, don't ask for it! Just let her play with you and make her slow down or stop when you want her to.
You’re correct in thinking I’m not ready for (or into) full on bdsm.
It is, as you say, about exploring or trying to find my more dominant side and trying to find more confidence is going to be my biggest challenge.
Thanks for the observations.
I’ve been blown away by the amount of advice and insight that’s been imparted in this thread.
Much appreciated, cheers guys  :hi:

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Thanks for the observations.
I’ve been blown away by the amount of advice and insight that’s been imparted in this thread.
Much appreciated, cheers guys  :hi:

I'd like to second that; this thread shows Ukpunters at their - our - best, imo.

Passing on advice to less enlightened members in a non-aggressive manner; it's a classic example of what I sometimes refer to as 'the mates I've never met'.
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I could be wrong on this Tails, but I think he is looking for what I would class as dirty girlfriend experience. He's been very coy with the details, but I don't think he will need a traffic light system. As a few people have said safety and consent first, everything else is secondary.

You are totally right on the latter and I should have mentioned it. You get different type of submissives, I'm not sure if there is such a thing as a plastic sub, I know plastic dom gets banded around a lot. I've met a lot of switches that are amazing and likewise subs that are very submissive, but like to direct the action (would that be a power bottom?), as you know brat is another type, as is LG. You never really know until you are in the room.

Certainly sounds like he's meandering that way, but even with my vanilla punters I make it clear I have safe words (rarely need to use them, even in a bdsm scene, often just saying stop doing that is enough. It's only in the non punting scene I've found safe words to be invaluable.

There are certainly plastic subs and switches, I've been asked for advice for by quite a few on how to pull off subbing. As for subtypes there are slaves (I personally don't agree with that as they are giving up all refusal according to current bdsm attitudes), general subs, brats (of which I am one), LGs, princesses and more. Plastic subs do certainly occur as there is the general attitude that you can charge more if you offer bdsm services.

Some are good at flexing, some aren't. As you say, you don't know until you're in the room. Those who aren't should make the punter aware before they arrive.

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So if your preference is sub how do you feel if a guy turns out a lot more vanilla than you normally expect ?do you still enjoy the time or just grin and bear it ? or do you lead them into your world (does that mean a sub becomes dom ?)

I personally make a point of having vanilla sex fairly regularly, whether from punters or dates. As I feel it's important for my satisfaction to enjoy the lightest touches to the more harsh ones.

If someone wants to be guided, I'll do that. But if they express no interest, I'll enjoy playing at the level they do.

However I have cultivated enjoyments at various levels, others may not, primarily because I personally still want to be able to enjoy very soft, sensual, vanilla sex. Others may not.

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Certainly sounds like he's meandering that way, but even with my vanilla punters I make it clear I have safe words (rarely need to use them, even in a bdsm scene, often just saying stop doing that is enough. It's only in the non punting scene I've found safe words to be invaluable.

There are certainly plastic subs and switches, I've been asked for advice for by quite a few on how to pull off subbing. As for subtypes there are slaves (I personally don't agree with that as they are giving up all refusal according to current bdsm attitudes), general subs, brats (of which I am one), LGs, princesses and more. Plastic subs do certainly occur as there is the general attitude that you can charge more if you offer bdsm services.

Some are good at flexing, some aren't. As you say, you don't know until you're in the room. Those who aren't should make the punter aware before they arrive.
It may sound stupid, but would a female plastic sub be naturally dominant or would they be naturally sort of vanilla? The reason I ask is most females I meet seem to like a man to take the lead or be submission towards men, the level of submission like I say varies there is a huge difference between a woman saying "what should I do next?" and "punish me I've been a naughty slut".

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I stick by my view that shibari is decorative. For hand restraint cuffs are quicker, effective, and if the type with a clip in the chain can be separated in an instant if
required. If separated the clips can be used to restrain in other more inventive ways.
 All a matter of preference of course, and as I've said elsewhere I don't BDSM on paid meets.

 Rochelle posted that she does subbing on first meets. I think(maybe wrong) that she does outcalls only, it might work for her on outcalls as she arguably has more
protection from her screening, where on an incall the girl is more vulnerable.

I like the build up albeit I get instant immobilisation.  :hi: :hi: