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SlamBoy

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You actually read a book, now you are an expert on all things!!!
From you postings I have formulated a theory that you a twat. Does that make it a fact? :hi:


Ooooooh. Big tough keyboard warrior. And not a very bright one.

(you missed out the word 'are', by the way. It rather undermined your attempt at posturing  :sarcastic: )

Offline Sh5278

That's right. Richard Dawkins agrees with me about a 'theory' being a 'fact' in the context of science.

. . . And he doesn't agree with a fake prozzie scientist and her misguided little fluffy fanboy who are both completely wrong.

(FFS it's like having to deal with Holland all over again).

Funny you should say that as I was going through this thread, it feels like you’re the holland of this thread mate.   :sarcastic:

Offline wylie anchor

Go jump off a building for me. You know, the 'theory' of gravity isn't a fact, according to you. You'll be fine.

 :sarcastic: :sarcastic: :sarcastic:
The theory of gravity has nothing to do with its existence, but to how it works. Your not very clever posturing just adds weight to my theory (fact?). You are a twat  :hi:

Offline mrfishyfoo

You actually read a book, now you are an expert on all things!!!
From you postings I have formulated a theory that you a twat. Does that make it a fact? :hi:

Well if MrSB's posturing and theorising (or should that be theorizing  :sarcastic: :sarcastic:) is to be believed then yes indeed he is a TWAT !!!!  :yahoo: :yahoo:

Offline wylie anchor


Ooooooh. Big tough keyboard warrior. And not a very bright one.

(you missed out the word 'are', by the way. It rather undermined your attempt at posturing  :sarcastic: )
Further adds weight to my theory. You are a... :unknown: If I think its a fact, does it make it a fact? :hi:

Offline workinallweek


 Well its turned out nice again .

Surely if a variety of people give you imformation it is for you yourself to check their comments and make an imformed decision on the imformation gained .

Or maybe lets just slag each other off and behave like politicians ...........
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Offline Horizontal pleasures

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Offline scutty brown

I can't make you understand something that is clearly beyond your comprehension. I'll just leave you to wallow in your own limitations.

Back to the main point. 'Tailseeker' is a complete fraud, doesn't understand science (something quite prevalent here it seems), has made demonstrably false assertions; and talks utter bullshit.

The end.

She's not a fraud, much of what she says is accurate. Unfortunately she has a habit of not accepting facts outside her knowledge or experience. A lot of research workers can get into the habit of only believing the expected, and I feel she may be in that category.
In this case she's reciting the standard mantra of which infection routes are possible and which are not, but unfortunately its clear that the data sampling and recording techniques which leads that belief are flawed and biased.
That's not her fault, its simply the result of standard practice in the environment in which she works.
Give her a break, most of what she says is valid.

Offline Grumpy Pumpy

Well its turned out nice again .

Surely if a variety of people give you imformation it is for you yourself to check their comments and make an imformed decision on the imformation gained .

Or maybe lets just slag each other off and behave like politicians ...........

 :lol:

Offline johnplatano

She's not a fraud, much of what she says is accurate. Unfortunately she has a habit of not accepting facts outside her knowledge or experience. A lot of research workers can get into the habit of only believing the expected, and I feel she may be in that category.
In this case she's reciting the standard mantra of which infection routes are possible and which are not, but unfortunately its clear that the data sampling and recording techniques which leads that belief are flawed and biased.
That's not her fault, its simply the result of standard practice in the environment in which she works.
Give her a break, most of what she says is valid.

Yeah i think this sums it up tbf

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  And RELAXXXXXXXXXXX..........................................
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I look forward to discussing it all again next week, when an OP is too lazy to search for STD threads on here.
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mountainjew

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I caught Gonorrhoea from receiving a blow job. At that time in my life I had only received oral sex so there is no other way i could have caught it. It might be rare but to say it doesn't happen is simply untrue.

satyromaniac

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I don’t understand why threads like this are even made. Anyone with common sense and a bit of cognitive thinking can work out by themselves that there is of course risk in all aspects of punting.
Especially when asking about certain sexual acts.

“Hmmm if I put my penis inside someone’s orifice, which is riddled with foreign bacteria,am I at risk of catching a disease??”  :crazy:  :unknown:  :dash:

Offline 3imfred

This is indeed a scary thread.
Love to find a WG who agrees to french kissing will need to reconsider that maybe  :dash:

Offline mrfishyfoo

I look forward to discussing it all again next week, when an OP is too lazy to search for STD threads on here.
 :lol: :lol:

....and again.

....and again.

....and again.

 :dash: :dash: :dash:

Any punter that thinks this is a risk free game needs a long look at himself in the mirror.

Been said many times on here....

Punting ain't for the faint at heart.  :hi: :hi:


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I caught Gonorrhoea from receiving a blow job. At that time in my life I had only received oral sex so there is no other way i could have caught it. It might be rare but to say it doesn't happen is simply untrue.

Very sorry to hear. It is not that rare for punters to contract something from a blow job. It is comparatively lower risk than bareback but low risk doesn’t mean no risk. It is quite rare for a punter contract something via RO but not impossible as Scutty’s case. It is just that they apparently cannot pass it back onto a female via RO.

Offline king tarzan

keeping it simple.. there are many risks in this sector.. we just have to be savvy and go with the flow of things..
If were going to shit our pants then simply DO NOT GO...
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Offline scutty brown

keeping it simple.. there are many risks in this sector.. we just have to be savvy and go with the flow of things..
If were going to shit our pants then simply DO NOT GO...

If you're going to shit your pants then WEAR A KILT

and shave your ass....
« Last Edit: January 22, 2019, 11:01:06 pm by scutty brown »

Offline king tarzan

If you're going to shit your pants then WEAR A KILT

and shave your ass....

I'm English not Scottish
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Offline scutty brown

I'm English not Scottish

So what? Fashion is multicultural. But now you've got me confused - I thought we'd decided the dhoti was your national dress?
Imagine punting in one of those.........

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So what? Fashion is multicultural. But now you've got me confused - I thought we'd decided the dhoti was your national dress?
Imagine punting in one of those.........

Your obviously confused it’s an Adidas track for KT every time...

TailSeeker

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She's not a fraud, much of what she says is accurate. Unfortunately she has a habit of not accepting facts outside her knowledge or experience. A lot of research workers can get into the habit of only believing the expected, and I feel she may be in that category.
In this case she's reciting the standard mantra of which infection routes are possible and which are not, but unfortunately its clear that the data sampling and recording techniques which leads that belief are flawed and biased.
That's not her fault, its simply the result of standard practice in the environment in which she works.
Give her a break, most of what she says is valid.

I will admit, I do certainly fall back on that. Especially as I deal with clinical patient samples as well as just randomises samples.

I don't directly deal with the clinical patients, I'm not a medical professional, I'm a biomedical chemist and biophysist (please god almighty do not ask me to explain enzymes, I failed every single one of those written tests, did alright on the practicals though, except for pineapple (fresh), that I remember has an enzyme in it that will eat through all of your mouth until milk/similar/or a lot of water is drunk).

As for why I am sceptical, I cite this paper as one of many examples (it's a review paper so cites many others)

"The link between pharyngeal infection and cunnilingus is less clear as numbers of heterosexual men with pharyngeal infection are low, but in one series 14% of men who admitted cunnilingus with the presumed infected partner, acquired pharyngeal gonorrhoea. This compares with a rate of pharyngeal infection of 3% among those men who denied cunnilingus. The difficulty of obtaining an accurate history of oro-genital sex (and therefore of establishing its true role in transmissionof STIs) is illustrated by the findings of
Osborne and Grubin. 31 Of 1453 patients examined for pharyngeal gonorrhoea, 42 cases were found. Only 27 of these gave histories of oro-genital sex, although all 42 reported this form of sexual contact when questioned again at a follow up visit. Eleven of the infected men were asymptomatic heterosexuals whose only oro-genital contact was cunnilingus. The majority of pharyngeal gonorrhoea is asymptomatic—79% in one study; however, 15% reported a sore throat and 5% had purulent tonsillitis."

Edwards and Carne.

As for Chlamydia, the found no link with cunnalingus and oral infection. But did find a link between occipital and oral infection (who is laughing at me having my eyes swabbed now?).

Oral sex does carry some risk, but determining the exact risk is difficult. As we're just not in the bedroom with someone, we rely on the honesty of partaking individuals.

I mean, there are several studies claiming anywhere from 1 to 20% of HIV infections come from oral sex, but they fall down in that when delved further other risk factors came into play.

Plus doctors and nurses can be just as awkward as patients at delicate information (I'm not so shy, which is likely why I'm not allowed to interact with our clinical patients, I want finger sucking post fingering on the surveys but they've refused to put it on).

I'm happy to admit if I'm wrong, I know herpes does transmit orally, but is mostly cosmetic and uncomfortable rather than a health issue. Oral HPV is actually good to contract from what our studies are showing, which is quite surprising (decreases lethality of esophageal cancers and improves recovery/cure rates), syhillis is rare, but that is because it's rare in the population (but surging in the gay community following PrEP introduction), HIV is theorised to happen, but has no proven cases (although someone on another forum says there is a proven case, I can't find it, they won't provide a link, and apparently it involved biting a penis hard enough to draw blood, so I'll stick to still theorised). Analingus carries risk of different bacterial infections if the receiving party hasn't cleaned properly (a shit is not enough to clean, douching is required to cut the risk to minimal).

As for Slamboy and his theory vs hypothesis.

A theory is our best fit for the current facts we have. It is true until we have something proving otherwise.

A hypothesis is just an idea we have, with or without facts, like my bra size, I claim one size, others hypothesis other sizes. Neither can be proven right as so far no one has posted on here after grabbing my bra and checking it's size. Hence hypothesis, idea without any facts behind it.

Examples of theories that were later proven wrong: Phrenology, Fleischmann–Pons’s Nuclear Fusion, Einstein's Static Universe, Telegony, a lot of Mendelian genetics (hair, eye colour, and more, we understand now that it is more complex).

Good scientists test a hypothesis until it breaks, rather than seek to just reinforce themselves, I learnt that at my first lab, I only had a year and a half with them, but it carries through with me now. Accept nothing as fact in our realm, question everything. Default to what is accepted if there is no way to independently verify otherwise.

That attitude I may need to change, but I view it as valuable to question everything that isn't established before assuming it is correct. My first lab taught me that, we discovered a whole new way of DNA repair, we spent over a year trying to prove we made a mistake before submitting it to papers (along with our tests showing that it wasn't caused by human error). But all of us involved would hold no grudges if someone found some way we had messed up that we hadn't thought of. As we view that being more important to science, hence why we tried to prove ourselves wrong when there were only a couple of other proven repeat mechanisms shown before over decades of testing.
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Offline MrMatrix

Interesting reply Tailseeker. Pleased to see Slamboy hasn't put you off and neither should he. Heavy duty reply clearly shows, for me anyway, you know what you are talking about. :hi:

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Interesting reply Tailseeker. Pleased to see Slamboy hasn't put you off and neither should he. Heavy duty reply clearly shows, for me anyway, you know what you are talking about. :hi:

I'm not put off, I simply step away and respond calmly after a few days. Better than shooting from the hip and pissing everyone off.

I know my area, but I'll admit, I am as falliable as anyone to bias as anyone else, I just try to fight it in my line of work, but I know I always need challenging myself. However I will always doubt single cases, mostly as I'm still yet to get a paper that I worked on and then refused to allow my name on, to be retracted. But I know I'm facing an uphill battle, as it throws in doubt about 40/50 years of research, and in biology you cannot publish a negative result. I'm just waiting for someone to allow me a panel with my 150,000 data point (and since expanded) study that disproves the foundation of what their study was built on. Exhausting work, but so worth it as it's impacted every bit of research I've been involved with since.

I always forget the cancer, but it's either prostate or pancreatic (begins with P at least), all the research for 20 years was based on a lab error (this way nearly 10 years ago, it's still not openly acknowledged, just known by people who attended the seminar so a lot of labs are still continuing faulty work).

So it's certainly true science should be questioned. So many more papers have had to be retracted than they ever were before.

Offline mkiv

First post but I felt the need to share my last 6 months of hell due to oral sex.   Started off back in Sept last year I had swollen glands in my neck went to the doc and because of the size of swollen glands and the length of time I had them (over 3 weeks) he referred me for biopsy to check for cancer.  Had a consultation with specialist camera down throat etc he then thought Ye get a biopsy to find out for defo.

Month rolls past get biopsy done and result comes back inconclusive but they think I am all clear from cancer.   Still have the swollen neck glands at this point.   So another appointment is booked with the specialist for 3 months time so they can keep an eye on things.

During this time for no other reason than it had been a while I decided to book appointment at the gum clinic.   It came back positive with syphilis.  The doc at the gum clinic felt the best treatment was to go into the clinic and hospital for 14 days in a row to get penicillin jabs.   They also had a brain scan done to check for dementia I am not even 45 years old.   They also had a lumbar puncture performed so they could check if syphilis was in my nervous system.

The reason for the above was because I had and still do have tinnitus and I started to loose my hair from all over my body and head.   I have to go back again in march for tests just to confirm I am clear. Between the hospital and gum clinic over the last 4 months I have had over 35 appointments.

Yes this was all because of oral sex.

Offline Waterhouse

 mkiv... sorry to hear about your troubles and situation, I hope it turns out well for you in March.

You've been very careful with your wording, so forgive me for asking and I am not implying anything or judging but were you giving RO to a woman or performing felatio and/or DT on a penis?  If the former, was she a civie or an SP?  If the latter, same question... casual encounter or paid sex with a male escort or TS? Did they ejeculate in your mouth? Did you swallow?

I'm assuming when you say you contracted syphilis via oral, that it was you who were performing oral given the symptoms were in your throat?

Have you been in touch with the person who you may have caught it from ( if known?) or any other partners you have been with?  What were the reactions?

Best of luck.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2019, 10:53:07 pm by Yondu616 »

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First post but I felt the need to share my last 6 months of hell due to oral sex.   Started off back in Sept last year I had swollen glands in my neck went to the doc and because of the size of swollen glands and the length of time I had them (over 3 weeks) he referred me for biopsy to check for cancer.  Had a consultation with specialist camera down throat etc he then thought Ye get a biopsy to find out for defo.

Month rolls past get biopsy done and result comes back inconclusive but they think I am all clear from cancer.   Still have the swollen neck glands at this point.   So another appointment is booked with the specialist for 3 months time so they can keep an eye on things.

During this time for no other reason than it had been a while I decided to book appointment at the gum clinic.   It came back positive with syphilis.  The doc at the gum clinic felt the best treatment was to go into the clinic and hospital for 14 days in a row to get penicillin jabs.   They also had a brain scan done to check for dementia I am not even 45 years old.   They also had a lumbar puncture performed so they could check if syphilis was in my nervous system.

The reason for the above was because I had and still do have tinnitus and I started to loose my hair from all over my body and head.   I have to go back again in march for tests just to confirm I am clear. Between the hospital and gum clinic over the last 4 months I have had over 35 appointments.

Yes this was all because of oral sex.

This is concerning as all the literature on shypilis, suggests to transfer involves active contact with a sore/strange wart in the first 2 to 8 weeks. After that with a rash. I've struggled to find something without an active visual symptom.

Was there anything at all that might have suggested an issue?

Because so far we have no records of transmission without evidence of primary and secondary symptoms.

However hair loss and tinnitus isn't linked at all to syphilis, those are linked to other causes and just biology.

It is certainly bad that they waiting that long, hitting that late could lead to neurological issues.

Offline LLPunting

Your obviously confused it’s an Adidas track for KT every time...

Do like they do in China for the kiddies and cut the pants open down from fly round to rear waistband, everything's hanging out and easy to cop a squat when the urge arises.

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TailSeeker

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Do like they do in China for the kiddies and cut the pants open down from fly round to rear waistband, everything's hanging out and easy to cop a squat when the urge arises.

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I don't think it's best to reply with a photo of a small child with that showing on this site. Stick to images of adults, especially considering the nature of this forum. Linked images of underage would only cause problems later.

Offline MrMatrix

mkiv... sorry to hear about your troubles and situation, I hope it turns out well for you in March.

You've been very careful with your wording, so forgive me for asking and I am not implying anything or judging but were you giving RO to a woman or performing felatio and/or DT on a penis?  If the former, was she a civie or an SP?  If the latter, same question... casual encounter or paid sex with a male escort or TS? Did they ejeculate in your mouth? Did you swallow?

I'm assuming when you say you contracted syphilis via oral, that it was you who were performing oral given the symptoms were in your throat?

Have you been in touch with the person who you may have caught it from ( if known?) or any other partners you have been with?  What were the reactions?

Best of luck.
Bloody MKIV, that sounds horrendous. I hope you're not married and all this didnt blow your cover. I often have sore throats and get my throat checked every time I go to the GUM clinic. So far so good but this hobby is full of risks and its probably why this topic is so emotive. We are all taking a bit of a chance as I see it.
The questions Yondu asks are the same as I would ask. Thank you for your first post :hi:

Offline king tarzan

There's a lot on here that get the hump when ladies inspect/ and use wet wipes..
Give them credit for that!
Not whinge about it...
Reading this I'm glad that the women I go to have restricted gfe services.. are spot on hot on personal hygiene. .
That fully know this is there professional income business and have to be in good physical health for themselves to enjoy there lucrative income and for there clients..


Bareback/ gang bangs/rimming it's all risky. ..


So far so good I've never caught anything..
I'm extremely cautious and careful..

I personally like the slim pickings service list of gfe...

The long service list of PSE I personally see that as a danger zone, where I could pick up something so I avoid going there. .
I ask myself the question a woman who offers long service list genuinely, that how far would she be prepared to go for more money?
Also I have preferences for women that I can analyse won't be there for long, quickly earn there cash safely and gone..
And I like to be the first client of the day!


Cheap whores, look like drug addicts, barebackers, slummy accommodation,  council estates,  creepy brothels,  street whores...
Avoidance for me is the name of the game..
Using these tactics I've not even picked up a sore throat or skin rash..

So when a woman says take a shower,  inspects the manhood and nuts sack, uses wet wipes, I see a clean bathroom, clean sheets.. I feel very very comfortable. .


And I've been punting for over 20 years. ...
Average about 3 times a month..

I must be doing something SAFETY FIRST right! !






« Last Edit: January 24, 2019, 08:27:20 am by king tarzan »
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Offline Moresomes

Interesting reply Tailseeker. Pleased to see Slamboy hasn't put you off and neither should he. Heavy duty reply clearly shows, for me anyway, you know what you are talking about. :hi:

+1

I find her posts interesting and informative, unlike his petulant nit picking, and the irony of his "keyboard warrior" and "posturing" post

Offline Waterhouse

There's a lot on here that get the hump when ladies inspect/ and use wet wipes..
Give them credit for that!
Not whinge about it...
Reading this I'm glad that the women I go to have restricted gfe services.. are spot on hot on personal hygiene. .
That fully know this is there professional income business and have to be in good physical health for themselves to enjoy there lucrative income and for there clients..


Bareback/ gang bangs/rimming it's all risky. ..


So far so good I've never caught anything..
I'm extremely cautious and careful..

I personally like the slim pickings service list of gfe...

The long service list of PSE I personally see that as a danger zone, where I could pick up something so I avoid going there. .
I ask myself the question a woman who offers long service list genuinely, that how far would she be prepared to go for more money?
Also I have preferences for women that I can analyse won't be there for long, quickly earn there cash safely and gone..
And I like to be the first client of the day!


Cheap whores, look like drug addicts, barebackers, slummy accommodation,  council estates,  creepy brothels,  street whores...
Avoidance for me is the name of the game..
Using these tactics I've not even picked up a sore throat or skin rash..

So when a woman says take a shower,  inspects the manhood and nuts sack, uses wet wipes, I see a clean bathroom, clean sheets.. I feel very very comfortable. .


And I've been punting for over 20 years. ...
Average about 3 times a month..

I must be doing something SAFETY FIRST right! !
I am absolutely shocked and stunned at this post from you KT.  This has to be the most sensible and best post I've ever seen from you.

 :thumbsup:  :drinks:

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This is concerning as all the literature on shypilis, suggests to transfer involves active contact with a sore/strange wart in the first 2 to 8 weeks. After that with a rash. I've struggled to find something without an active visual symptom.

Was there anything at all that might have suggested an issue?

Because so far we have no records of transmission without evidence of primary and secondary symptoms.

However hair loss and tinnitus isn't linked at all to syphilis, those are linked to other causes and just biology.

It is certainly bad that they waiting that long, hitting that late could lead to neurological issues.
According to the NHS swollen neck glands is a early/primary symptom of syphilis.
Also according to the NHS hair loss is associated with syphilis.
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Offline BestofBritish84

What a massive thread explosion for something that I'm sure we've always got in the back of our minds as punters/SP's. Perhaps this is why it's provoked such a response.

I think it comes down to an individuals appetite for risk. Mine, especially in this area, is super f***ing low. I've not been in this game long; but my approach is always safe and protected. Other highlights include choosing SP's wisely and keeping things fairly vanilla. It suits my needs. I've not had any problems yet, but I never rule it out as it's always a possibility even when fully protected.

Having gone through a few scares (all built up in my own head) here are my take homes:

1) Read forums and share from others experience. Always take with a pinch of salt.
2) Fact check, do your own reading. Draw your own conclusions.
3) Understand and be happy with your appetite to risk.
4) Go with your gut, if things don't look/smell/taste good then abort.
5) Understand that there is a chance of catching something, even if it's very low.
6) Always get checked regularly.

This is the only answer I have for the OP.



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According to the NHS swollen neck glands is a early/primary symptom of syphilis.
Also according to the NHS hair loss is associated with syphilis.
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It can be, but it's often not. Similar to hair loss. It's mostly linked to where you contracted it. Especially from a genital infection to oral, which is how he is claiming he caught it. The main symptom is the syphilis ulcer or chancre. Lymph nodes will swell near any infection sight, including the groin, but they are less obvious to many.

Also swollen glands are indication for hundreds of oral infections, so it's not atypical that they would look for another reason first.

Syphillis is caught from the sores/ulcers/warts/rashes it causes. Which is what I asked about. I didn't question his symptoms, but that he didn't see any signs of infection on the person he was performing cunalingus on. As the current understanding is that you have to have contact with the sore/ulcer/wart/rash to contract it.

I will point out this about syphilis, knowing I may have some vehemently reject it. Syphilis is right now primarily a gay male infection, about 95% of cases are from men, but still fairly low incidence (spiking however since PrEP was introduced). The chances as such catching it from a woman are pretty low. And it does have clear signs from primary infection (ulcers around the vulva, anus, penis, mouth). And the rash from secondary is not ignorable, it's pretty obvious. It covers large areas and can be quite angry. Which is when it is infectious. Before symptoms arise the infection isn't passed on.
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Offline webpunter

Funny how we haven't heard from MKIV ?
Perhaps he's kicked the bucket
IMO either a bollox post or other medical / health / lifestyle / genetic factors at play
And deciding that OWO is to blame - how convenient

People react differently
For example you eat an iffy curry [washed down with 10 pints of Stella] with mates
Some people take days off work / don't go out & feel sorry for themselves.  Bless
I on the other hand will somehow just about make it to the bog [some leakage along the way  :scare:] and then have the world's biggest shit
Two or three flushes
A newspaper is a good distraction
In the old days Autotrader / Top Marques was cracking reading material [sadly online now - not quite the same]

Offline Waterhouse

Funny how we haven't heard from MKIV ?
Perhaps he's kicked the bucket
IMO either a bollox post or other medical / health / lifestyle / genetic factors at play
And deciding that OWO is to blame - how convenient
He has logged in since posting, so not not sure why he's chosen not to repond. Probably got a lot on his mind if he was posting truthfully.  Would have been useful to have heard more about how this all happened for him - assuming it is on the level.

Offline mrfishyfoo

It can be, but it's often not. Similar to hair loss. It's mostly linked to where you contracted it. Especially from a genital infection to oral, which is how he is claiming he caught it. The main symptom is the syphilis ulcer or chancre. Lymph nodes will swell near any infection sight, including the groin, but they are less obvious to many.

Also swollen glands are indication for hundreds of oral infections, so it's not atypical that they would look for another reason first.

Syphillis is caught from the sores/ulcers/warts/rashes it causes. Which is what I asked about. I didn't question his symptoms, but that he didn't see any signs of infection on the person he was performing cunalingus on. As the current understanding is that you have to have contact with the sore/ulcer/wart/rash to contract it.

I will point out this about syphilis, knowing I may have some vehemently reject it. Syphilis is right now primarily a gay male infection, about 95% of cases are from men, but still fairly low incidence (spiking however since PrEP was introduced). The chances as such catching it from a woman are pretty low. And it does have clear signs from primary infection (ulcers around the vulva, anus, penis, mouth). And the rash from secondary is not ignorable, it's pretty obvious. It covers large areas and can be quite angry. Which is when it is infectious. Before symptoms arise the infection isn't passed on.

That's the bit that could do with an answer IMHO as TTBOMK the ulcer/s is/are very prominent albeit in it's early stages the ulcer/s can look like a cut or an infected ingrowing hair.

A google image seach for "syphilis chancre vagina" brings back some awful pictures.

Offline MrMicawber

My first post here as a newcomer.

This is a long and an interesting thread, although it was a pity it got side tracked into a slanging/insult-trading match.

I'll make my point, which is this.... 

ScuttyBrown said he had contracted oral gonorrhoea and chlamydia from an SP, whom he later owned up to having bare-backed, and further stated that bare-backing had been his practice, up until the incident in question.   In that case, is it possible, at least, that he may have contracted a genital infection from an earlier SP whom he had bare-backed, deposited it into this (suspected) SP via vaginal intercourse, and then did RO on her, completing the process of transferring the infection that he had been carrying genitally into his own mouth?   Of course I'm not saying that's what happened, but isn't it a possibility?

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Offline scutty brown

My first post here as a newcomer.

This is a long and an interesting thread, although it was a pity it got side tracked into a slanging/insult-trading match.

I'll make my point, which is this.... 

ScuttyBrown said he had contracted oral gonorrhoea and chlamydia from an SP, whom he later owned up to having bare-backed, and further stated that bare-backing had been his practice, up until the incident in question.   In that case, is it possible, at least, that he may have contracted a genital infection from an earlier SP whom he had bare-backed, deposited it into this (suspected) SP via vaginal intercourse, and then did RO on her, completing the process of transferring the infection that he had been carrying genitally into his own mouth?   Of course I'm not saying that's what happened, but isn't it a possibility?

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No not possible, timing doesn't work.
1) I would have given her RO before fucking her
2) The gap between her and the previous girl was sufficient that any penile infection would have been obvious
3) The penile infection developed within only 2-3 days of having sex with her. It developed very quickly and was very virulent
4) FWIW she had a decided fishy odour, probable bacterial vaginosis, which is often associated with  both chlamydia and gonorrhea


Offline MrMicawber

No not possible, timing doesn't work.
1) I would have given her RO before fucking her
2) The gap between her and the previous girl was sufficient that any penile infection would have been obvious
3) The penile infection developed within only 2-3 days of having sex with her. It developed very quickly and was very virulent
4) FWIW she had a decided fishy odour, probable bacterial vaginosis, which is often associated with  both chlamydia and gonorrhea

Thanks for your reply.

Obviously the timing and the "sequence of events on the day, rules my possible explanation out, then, in this case.

Offline scutty brown

Thanks for your reply.

Obviously the timing and the "sequence of events on the day, rules my possible explanation out, then, in this case.

Correct, and to be truthful I'm not convinced your suggested infection route would work - I've a feeling that the two-stage transference would actually not be viable due to the limited contact time. I'd be interested in Tailseeker's thoughts on that

Offline MrMicawber

Correct, and to be truthful I'm not convinced your suggested infection route would work - I've a feeling that the two-stage transference would actually not be viable due to the limited contact time. I'd be interested in Tailseeker's thoughts on that

Me too.

Offline sparkus

I visited a bar in an Asian country a couple of years back where the action took place in booths which although curtained you could see each 'attendant' kneeling and her head bobbing. I just went out of curiosity and didn't go through with the OWO, though she got quite huffy about that and my request for a HJ. Even then I couldn't cum as she was scrawny and sweating like a pig. Given how many men they must suck off daily, I dread to think...

Offline Doc Holliday

Correct, and to be truthful I'm not convinced your suggested infection route would work - I've a feeling that the two-stage transference would actually not be viable due to the limited contact time. I'd be interested in Tailseeker's thoughts on that

There is always a logical explanation  :D

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Offline MrMicawber

There is always a logical explanation  :D

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You should be on the stage, Doc....  very funny!

Offline MrMatrix

There is always a logical explanation  :D

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If I'd have been able to do that I may never have started punting.  :sarcastic:

Offline Hobbit

Been punting for more than 20 years now and I have never caught anything from OWO. So I don't really know what the big fuss is all about.

Perhaps I don't see as many girls as other punters do which would bring down the risk factor obviously, but nevertheless, anyone that catches anything from OWO is either making the wrong choices in choosing girls or is extremely unlucky. :hi: