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Author Topic: Channel 4 Trafficking  (Read 3003 times)

Offline Jimmyredcab

Three part series on Channel four next week about Trafficking in the UK, looks like it starts with operation Pentameter.
Tuesday 31st Aug ----- Thursday 2nd Sep. --------- 9PM

Offline Jimmyredcab

I only watched the first episode, it came across to me as anti-prostitution propaganda.
My favourite bit was when they were about to raid a parlour in Luton and said they had information that under age girls were working there.
After the raid had taken place the officer said no under aged girls were present --------- but there could be in the future. ??

That is like pulling over a motorist who is doing 30 MPH and saying ----- "OK, you weren't speeding now, but you could be speeding in the future."

The official figures from the Pentameter operation show that the trafficking problem is nothing like the government would have us believe.

Online mike11

Shame I can't watch it.  I always get funny looks from my partner when there is a programme about prostitution :)

Offline Marmalade

I am quite a fan of Channel4 documentary-making, and also their news coverage. Both have tended to lead standards in the industry. But the Pentameter II coverage that Jimmy refers to here must mark an all-time low.

Pentameter II can be applauded for the small but important difference they have made to the problem of sex-trafficking. But the factual coverage even of that was overshadowed by hype and poorly connected facts. The film making techniques consisted predominantly of highly emotive talking heads interspersed with dramatic clips aimed at persuading the viewer of the exciting nature of a police hunt.

I watched all three episodes in the hope that some balance would be struck. Even a black screen at the end with some cold figures on. This sort of thing. There wasn't.

Doing good should be considered in a context. How much harm was done while doing good? Were general principles of justice for all followed? Were the rights and autonomy of innocent bystanders infringed in the process?

The political manipulativeness that caused vast and unsustainable amounts of public money to be spent on operation Pentameter has to be considered by someone. The prejudice fuelled against thousands of independent sex-workers is considerable; as is the risk of weight being given to populist government prohibitionist measures that could put the lives of prostitutes working the streets at risk, or to rape and abuse of independent women who have freely chosen to work as escorts, whether out of financial choice or financial necessity - (supporting their families when all else fails for instance).

And to see stars like Helen Mirren roped in to do the voice-over (who in her younger days was far more clued in as to which 'causes' to support) was a travesty.

Offline Keen Punter

Downloaded and watched the 1st and 2nd parts so far.

It has seriously put me off the Asian shops I normally use as it appears most of the trafficking is from SE Asia.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Quote from: Keen Punter

It has seriously put me off the Asian shops I normally use as it appears most of the trafficking is from SE Asia.

We have to remember that some girls are more than happy to be "trafficked" into this country, even after the pimps take their cut the girl will earn far more than she would in Thailand --------- however you don't really want to be caught up in any police raids.

Offline Jerboa

The programme was anti-prostitution spin, no one wants to visit WGs who are forced to work against their will, but the simple facts are, that the amount of Coerced WGs In this country Is totally minimal, as the facts and figures of Op Pentemeter2 has showed, (which the coppers didn't want the public to know)

No doubt this Lilly Is real, I feel so sorry for her, but I just don't understand why the traffikers would fool a Thai girl Into coming here, when there are thousands of hookers In Bkk/Pattaya who would quite happily agree to being traffiked to Europe, as Jimmy says, they know they will make a lot of money for the buffaloe.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Quote from: Jerboa
The programme was anti-prostitution spin, no one wants to visit WGs who are forced to work against their will, but the simple facts are, that the amount of Coerced WGs In this country Is totally minimal, as the facts and figures of Op Pentemeter2 has showed, (which the coppers didn't want the public to know)

No doubt this Lilly Is real, I feel so sorry for her, but I just don't understand why the traffikers would fool a Thai girl Into coming here, when there are thousands of hookers In Bkk/Pattaya who would quite happily agree to being traffiked to Europe, as Jimmy says, they know they will make a lot of money for the buffaloe.


Let's look at the figures, a girl in Pattaya will get £30 for an overnight booking, many guys will only pay £20.

My local Thai brothel charges £60 for 30 minutes, the girl would probably get half of that.

So she would earn £30 in half hour as oppose to 8/10 hours back home in Thailand.

Offline Wayang

Quote from: Keen Punter
Downloaded and watched the 1st and 2nd parts so far.

It has seriously put me off the Asian shops I normally use as it appears most of the trafficking is from SE Asia.

maybe specifically the places you use......... However:
In my view very few Thai WGs are here unwillingly.  They are not recruited from the paddy fields of Northern Thailand but from the bars and clubs of Bangkok.  They have already moved into prostitution in Bangkok away from basic poverty and soon appreciate that learning English and moonlighting pays 10 times the money they could earn in Bangkok - even if their expenses are substantially higher. Like Polish plumbers - two years here buys a house and land.
I accept that it is almost impossible to tell if a girl is being coerced on meeting her. But my gut feeling from the ones, whilst originnally from the countryside, all know Sukhumvit. $$$$$$s are their motivation.

Offline Keen Punter

Quote from: Wayang
maybe specifically the places you use.........
What is that supposed to mean ?

Offline Wayang

Quote from: Keen Punter
What is that supposed to mean ?

Well you said of the places you visit might have trafficed women - I was taking your specic concern but saying generally..................
I was in no way questioning your choice of WGs.

Offline Keen Punter

Quote from: Wayang

Well you said of the places you visit might have trafficed women - I was taking your specic concern but saying generally..................
I was in no way questioning your choice of WGs.
Fair enough.

As you know, my preference is for SE Asian women. There are a few shops around Birmingham, standard price £50 + extras.

Thinking back to a couple of poor punts, it makes me wonder whether they were poor because they were there against their will. I am a little paranoid now so will probably avoid those shops in future.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Quote from: Keen Punter


Thinking back to a couple of poor punts, it makes me wonder whether they were poor because they were there against their will.

Yes, it's possible, but bad punts do happen sometimes --------- unless you are a auto-censored fluffie of course.

Offline Wayang

Quote from: Keen Punter

Thinking back to a couple of poor punts, it makes me wonder whether they were poor because they were there against their will. I am a little paranoid now so will probably avoid those shops in future.

Difficult one - We have all had poor punts and, in many cases it is as much the punters fault as the WG - that elusive 'no chemistry.'  And it would be stupid to pretend that a particular poor punt was only due to lack of chemistry.
There are many reasons for a poor punt ranging from a headache to worrying about wots for supper.  Don't flaggelate yourself (unless that is your secret yes- more -yes fetish) that all your bad punts are with coerced WGS.
Remember too that the vast majority of S Asians are here to buy that farm and are willing participants.

Offline Marmalade

Interesting response to the 'Shut down Craigslist to stop trafficking' stuff from Bound Not Gagged blog:
http://deepthroated.wordpress.com/2010/09/07/traffickers-remain-in-business/

Offline ladyofthemansion

Quote from: Jimmyredcab


Let's look at the figures, a girl in Pattaya will get £30 for an overnight booking, many guys will only pay £20.

My local Thai brothel charges £60 for 30 minutes, the girl would probably get half of that.

So she would earn £30 in half hour as oppose to 8/10 hours back home in Thailand.

Maybe off topic a bit, but what could a girl in Pattaya spend the 30 pounds on. I know that amount wouldn't go very far here.

Offline Keen Punter

Well I watched the final part of the series.

Maybe there are 2 types of trafficking. Forced and willing. I imagine there are girls gullible enough to think they are coming to the UK to work not as prostitutes, but also there are girls "trafficked" who are fully aware of what they are getting themselves into.

I think I may steer clear of the Asian shops for now in case the Police decide on another crackdown following the programme !!!

Offline Jimmyredcab

Quote from: ladyofthemansion

Maybe off topic a bit, but what could a girl in Pattaya spend the 30 pounds on. I know that amount wouldn't go very far here.

Sitting in a beer bar one night I asked a girl how much she had paid for the large bowl of food that she was eating, she said 40 baht which is under a pound.
£30 is a lot of money in Thailand ------- a weeks wages for a girl working in 7/11.
A taxi from Bangkok to Pattaya would cost £30, in my cab the fare would be over £200, the economy in Thailand is totally different to the UK.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Quote from: Keen Punter

I think I may steer clear of the Asian shops for now in case the Police decide on another crackdown following the programme !!!


What about Eastern European brothels. ?????

To be 100% safe you would have to stick to English girls.

Offline Keen Punter

Quote from: Jimmyredcab

Sitting in a beer bar one night I asked a girl how much she had paid for the large bowl of food that she was eating, she said 40 baht which is under a pound.
£30 is a lot of money in Thailand ------- a weeks wages for a girl working in 7/11.
A taxi from Bangkok to Pattaya would cost £30, in my cab the fare would be over £200, the economy in Thailand is totally different to the UK.
:rolleyes:

This is what I and others have been telling you for years when you criticise what we pay, but you won't accept it.

Offline roadie

Just watched parts one and two tonight on the 4 On Demand website, but cannot watch part 3. Has anyone else had this problem? Here's the link to the episodes:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-hunt-for-britains-sex-traffickers/4od#3116206

Offline ladyofthemansion

Quote from: Jimmyredcab


What about Eastern European brothels. ?????

To be 100% safe you would have to stick to English girls.

Problem is English girls can still be pimped too.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Quote from: ladyofthemansion

Problem is English girls can still be pimped too.

Being pimped and being trafficked are slightly different -------- anyway pimps come in all shapes and sizes.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Quote from: Keen Punter
:rolleyes:

This is what I and others have been telling you for years when you criticise what we pay, but you won't accept it.

I don't believe I have ever told you what you should pay girls in Thailand.
You have always talked about a "going rate" ------- I have always said that pretty girls can hold out for more, surely that is the case all over the world, some girls in Thailand are just happy to get a punter, any punter.
Pretty girls in Bangkok name THEIR price, if we don't pay it then the Japanese punters will.

Offline Jerboa

I've watched all three episodes, and they didn't find any asian girls who were coerced In the raids, only that Lilley who said she was tricked Into coming to UK, many women are traffiked here, of there own free will, but very few are coerced.


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